Concentrated bottle of Dr. Harrisonâs Potent Potion helped me to my best 70.3. So darn simpleâŠsugar and sodium citrate.
No, no, no. It's Speed NectarÂź.
Yes, it's legitimately registered, which makes me giggle.
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Thanks for the feedback. I just read that itâs Gatorade thirst quencher for races through June. Come July it will be mortal.
Folks, please add salt or sodium citrate, or some other sodium supplement if you're 'living off the course' and surviving just off of Gatorade alone.
I'm a little surprised Gatorade's and IM legal teams are letting that happen. Gatorade alone in a 140.6 is a recipe for increased hyponatremia death counts.
Paging Tim Noakes. (he's a vicious anti-Gatorade zealot because of the spat of deaths they pretty much single-handedly spearheaded in the early 2000's. While I disagree with more than a couple of his other ideas, he's pretty spot-on with his anti-Gatorade zealotry.) Dr. Alex Harrison | Founder & CEO | Sport Physiology & Performance PhD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- đ± Check out our app â Saturday: Pro Fuel & Hydration, a performance nutrition coach in your pocket. Join us on YouTube â Saturday Morning | Ride & Run Faster and our growing Saturday User Hub
Folks, please add salt or sodium citrate, or some other sodium supplement if you're 'living off the course' and surviving just off of Gatorade alone.
Let's say I came into some GU Roctane electrolyte capsules at no charge to me.......would these be sufficient to supplement the Gatorade that I'm consuming during a 70.3 (Louisville)? Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
Thanks for the feedback. I just read that itâs Gatorade thirst quencher for races through June. Come July it will be mortal.
Folks, please add salt or sodium citrate, or some other sodium supplement if you're 'living off the course' and surviving just off of Gatorade alone.
I'm a little surprised Gatorade's and IM legal teams are letting that happen. Gatorade alone in a 140.6 is a recipe for increased hyponatremia death counts.
Paging Tim Noakes. (he's a vicious anti-Gatorade zealot because of the spat of deaths they pretty much single-handedly spearheaded in the early 2000's. While I disagree with more than a couple of his other ideas, he's pretty spot-on with his anti-Gatorade zealotry.)
I was interested so I looked up his name. It seems he's arguing that adding sodium doesn't really do a lot to prevent hyponatremia.
He's wrong there. He's right that overdrinking absent sodium is the primary problem. Dr. Alex Harrison | Founder & CEO | Sport Physiology & Performance PhD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- đ± Check out our app â Saturday: Pro Fuel & Hydration, a performance nutrition coach in your pocket. Join us on YouTube â Saturday Morning | Ride & Run Faster and our growing Saturday User Hub
But, long story short -- Gatorade is killing the endurance formula, and is focusing all their marketing / events model on "traditional" sports marketing as opposed to anything in the run / triathlon world. That and new products, such as their Gatorade water. So they exited, stage right.
Bingo. *triggers knee jerk to leap up on soapbox*
We're coming for you there, too, Gatorade. Settle into your role for now; the convenience store lifestyle beverage for serving at birthday parties and to the guy watching (but not playing) football and grilling cheesedogs with his buddies or eating chips watching the Final Four.
I so look forward to bringing the combo of software, hardware, and education to bear on Gatorade's enormous market cap in that arena, too.
*stepping off soapbox and takes off evil villain mask*
Y'all can enjoy this vid we just did on Gatorade Endurance, if you're curious what exactly you're about to be missing out on. Just posted it.
We'll do Mortal next.
Pretty fair video. I think if you like the taste of the gatorade stuff it would be decent to add in some extra sugar and sodium citrate on your own to top it off and still get some of the flavors. The reason why I think perhaps it's a little unfair is how quickly you dismissed the addition of maltodextrin or potassium. I like using maltodextrin because it's not as sweet, but still adds carbs. From a performance side, I've assume it's helpful because it has such a high glycemic index. Is there a reason to dismiss it?
Similar question on potassium. Why dismiss it? Are you saying it's not helping as much as sodium so it's not necessary? Or not helping at all? This is the old wives tale side of me, but there's the whole potassium reduces headaches advice I've grown up with my whole life. It's pretty common for long endurance events for people to get a headache, so I'd assume that potassium could be beneficial here. At a minimum, does it hurt to add? If so, why not add it? Would you be opposed to adding potassium citrate in a home made mix?
I have a file. Itâs building. Once it reaches critical mass. Maybe we could open it to our YouTube âmembersâ. I think we have two or three đ Dr. Alex Harrison | Founder & CEO | Sport Physiology & Performance PhD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- đ± Check out our app â Saturday: Pro Fuel & Hydration, a performance nutrition coach in your pocket. Join us on YouTube â Saturday Morning | Ride & Run Faster and our growing Saturday User Hub
But, long story short -- Gatorade is killing the endurance formula, and is focusing all their marketing / events model on "traditional" sports marketing as opposed to anything in the run / triathlon world. That and new products, such as their Gatorade water. So they exited, stage right.
Bingo. *triggers knee jerk to leap up on soapbox*
We're coming for you there, too, Gatorade. Settle into your role for now; the convenience store lifestyle beverage for serving at birthday parties and to the guy watching (but not playing) football and grilling cheesedogs with his buddies or eating chips watching the Final Four.
I so look forward to bringing the combo of software, hardware, and education to bear on Gatorade's enormous market cap in that arena, too.
*stepping off soapbox and takes off evil villain mask*
Y'all can enjoy this vid we just did on Gatorade Endurance, if you're curious what exactly you're about to be missing out on. Just posted it.
We'll do Mortal next.
Pretty fair video. I think if you like the taste of the gatorade stuff it would be decent to add in some extra sugar and sodium citrate on your own to top it off and still get some of the flavors. The reason why I think perhaps it's a little unfair is how quickly you dismissed the addition of maltodextrin or sodium. I like using maltodextrin because it's not as sweet, but still adds carbs. From a performance side, I've assume it's helpful because it has such a high glycemic index. Is there a reason to dismiss it?
Similar question on potassium. Why dismiss it? Are you saying it's not helping as much as sodium so it's not necessary? Or not helping at all? This is the old wives tale side of me, but there's the whole potassium reduces headaches advice I've grown up with my whole life. It's pretty common for long endurance events for people to get a headache, so I'd assume that potassium could be beneficial here. At a minimum, does it hurt to add? If so, why not add it? Would you be opposed to adding potassium citrate in a home made mix?
Youâre right, honestly. I think we overly poopooed maltodextrin in that video. Itâs fine. It just often contributes to the unnecessary cost hiking and harmful drifting of the glucose fructose ratio towards 2:1 or below. In this productâs case that actually ended up not being a concern. We filmed after a night of no sleep for me and a very long two days of work. Iâll make that as my excuse. :)
Regarding potassium: more likely to do harm than good, but very small risk and magnitude of harm if added in very small amounts (like 5-25% as much potassium as sodium). Chance of benefiting: near zero. Hypokalemia is rarely problematic compared to hyponatremia or even hypocalcemia.
Hypokalemia is rarely harmful and virtually never disastrous or fatal in sport.
Hyponatremia is common, always at least slightly harmful, often disastrous, and occasionally deadly in sport.
Hypocalcemia is rare but always disastrous once it progresses because of the whole body cramping, and rarely fatal to my knowledge because the symptoms escalate to discomfort so widely and quickly that people get help before they die.
To prevent hypokalemia you need only a very small amount of potassium and often none.
To prevent hypothermia and dehydration, you often need a huge amount of sodium.
To prevent hypocalcemia you usually donât have to do anything but 5-10% as much calcium as sodium does the trick for virtually everyone who is among the 1-2% of people who are susceptible. (Very high sweat rate, usually larger bodies).
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I have been a lifelong endurance athlete, to include 3 years of triathlons, waaaay back in the day. I accomplished my goal of completing an Ironman-distance event and moved on to other endeavors. I must say, though, it was not without benefits as I learned a very, very valuable lesson during the 1 IM I did, and that is: NEVER rely on on-course feeding. You can take advantage of it if you wish, but you should absolutely, always, and without fail carry enough fuel with you to finish the distance.
In my case, doing the Cape Cod Ironman in '88, the promoters did not prepare properly and there was ZERO fuel at any of the aid stations beyond mile 10 of the marathon by the time I got there. The only thing that saved me was that a volunteer at one of the aid stations around 20 miles in had his own personal 2-liter bottle of coke in an ice chest, and I was able to persuade him to let me have the last few sips. I had bonked so badly that it took 3 days for my urine to return to normal color.
I did the 100 mile event at Unbound last year and carried all of my calories with me, and would do the same thing for Leadville this year if not for the fact that I'll have a support crew available at two locations throughout the race.
Just replying to the last post on the thread, but not only does mortal hydration not have enough of stuff you do need it does have stevia. So if you are intolerant and also prone to dropping things (like I am) bring double extra of your own stuff. Move on. Keep training. Be an adult.
Folks, please add salt or sodium citrate, or some other sodium supplement if you're 'living off the course' and surviving just off of Gatorade alone.
Let's say I came into some GU Roctane electrolyte capsules at no charge to me.......would these be sufficient to supplement the Gatorade that I'm consuming during a 70.3 (Louisville)?
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I tried a small sample in the IM tent before the race and the fake sweetner taste was overpowering.
So I didn't touch the stuff on the run.
Never noticed it on the bike, but I was mostly just getting waters to clean up my inadvertent gel bottle explosion out of t1 (sticky bars for 90km, yay!).
For reference the aid station flow was something like, they had water, ice, Gatorade, Mortal, more water and ice. Never noticed Coke, but I'm sure it was there.
The volunteers called out "electrolytes!" for the cups of Mortal.
My personal nutrition/electrolyte mix lasted the whole run for me. Plus I made the maurten move and came back with 5 extra gels...
Any positive stories with Mortal? I did see some dudes leeching a massive amount of salt through their kit. The other problem I see, is even if you get past the Stevia, I don't think you're getting enough salt in the small cups on the run from a single table at the aid stations. Not that I want more tables of it...
I tried a small sample in the IM tent before the race and the fake sweetner taste was overpowering.
So I didn't touch the stuff on the run.
Never noticed it on the bike, but I was mostly just getting waters to clean up my inadvertent gel bottle explosion out of t1 (sticky bars for 90km, yay!).
For reference the aid station flow was something like, they had water, ice, Gatorade, Mortal, more water and ice. Never noticed Coke, but I'm sure it was there.
The volunteers called out "electrolytes!" for the cups of Mortal.
My personal nutrition/electrolyte mix lasted the whole run for me. Plus I made the maurten move and came back with 5 extra gels...
Any positive stories with Mortal? I did see some dudes leeching a massive amount of salt through their kit. The other problem I see, is even if you get past the Stevia, I don't think you're getting enough salt in the small cups on the run from a single table at the aid stations. Not that I want more tables of it...
here was my rough nutrition plan
Starting bottle with 1/4 of the bottle with gatorade and a table spoon of table salt, and then filled with water. I sipped on this concentrate and washed down with Mortal at every aid station (I had around one quarter a bottle of Mortal immediately at aid station and threw it out). I ate a cliff bar up snow canyon, washed it down with water at the top, and cruised into T2 where I had a bottle with 500 mL of coke in bottle that I drank before the first climb at 1km. Rest of run, I had four Maurten Gels and a half a cliff bar, and washed down with water or coke (I am unsure what htye gave out on the run, but I think I had a few sips of gatorade). I will have to tally up the calories, but I am guessing 500 cals from gatorade, 100 cals from Mortal, 150 cals from cliff bar on bike , so 650 on bike, and another roughly 500 cals from gels and half cliff bar on run, plus maybe 200 cals coke so total around 1400 cals for a 5.5 hrs endurance outing at "my race pace" . My energy was steady and no stomach nor electrolyte issues on a day that started around 15C and ended around 31C but with low humidity. I don't know "exactly" the sodium content I took in between table salt and gatorade and Maurten and Mortal, but I think I ballparked it ok....no cramping issues and my loop 2 of run was 2 min slower than loop 1 so no blow up, then again when loop one is so slow, it is easier to even pace and not cramp !!!
For reference in my daily diet I eat anything and everything that is available so maybe that helped deal with a drink I had never touched till race day.
For reference in my daily diet I eat anything and everything that is available so maybe that helped deal with a drink I had never touched till race day.
Laughed out loud because I follow this nutrition plan as well.
FWIW - Tried Mortal at the expo and was not thrilled... but come race day, I was very happy to see it. Took about half of the cup offered at about every other aid station because I forgot my salt on my bike in T2. It seemed to have done the job. Honestly I wished that it was further up in the aid station, after the first go-around I learned the lesson to bring a cup of water with me to the end of the aid station as a chaser to the Mortal. KJ Swim and Triathlon Coach AllTerrainEndurance.com KJ@allterrainendurance.com
I feel like we're all being gaslit that this a better method all because it's too expensive to truck around the sugar bulk for the normal formula...?
Or is it that PFH would be fine supplying the real carb version of their drink, but that's bad optics for the EU to have carbs and the US to be low carb?
just got the email that this will be on-course at 70.3 switzerland. i'm as confused as everyone else - this is basically nuun or similar - it's a flavoured mineral supplement, not an energy drink. are we expected to just carry our our calories? it definitely messes with my plan for the bike. ____________________________________ https://lshtm.academia.edu/MikeCallaghan