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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
A couple of new developments in the AL senate race:

The Washington Post has busted a failed attempt by Project Veritas to set up a sting with a fake accuser who claimed she'd had an abortion after Roy Moore impregnated her as a teenager. Project Veritas is a right-wing group aimed at discrediting the MSM.

Fake news. I have it on good authority that this kind of thing is only done by the left. Righties would never do this.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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BLeP wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
A couple of new developments in the AL senate race:

The Washington Post has busted a failed attempt by Project Veritas to set up a sting with a fake accuser who claimed she'd had an abortion after Roy Moore impregnated her as a teenager. Project Veritas is a right-wing group aimed at discrediting the MSM.


Fake news. I have it on good authority that this kind of thing is only done by the left. Righties would never do this.

It's pretty despicable to be inventing fake claims of pedophilia and an abortion just to try to discredit very real claims of pedophilia and sexual assault in order to get your chosen pedophile elected into the senate. Is this a new low?



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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
A couple of new developments in the AL senate race:

The Washington Post has busted a failed attempt by Project Veritas to set up a sting with a fake accuser who claimed she'd had an abortion after Roy Moore impregnated her as a teenager. Project Veritas is a right-wing group aimed at discrediting the MSM.


Fake news. I have it on good authority that this kind of thing is only done by the left. Righties would never do this.


It's pretty despicable to be inventing fake claims of pedophilia and an abortion just to try to discredit very real claims of pedophilia and sexual assault in order to get your chosen pedophile elected into the senate. Is this a new low?



Yes, a new low for the left to be claiming that the right did this.

Try to keep up.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with this article (Dana Milbank: Here's 'what about' Roy Moore that is different):

From the article:

"I don’t excuse Franken’s alleged groping of women or Conyers’ alleged sexual harassment, and I disagree with Nancy Pelosi’s “due process” defense of Conyers. As for Bill Clinton, I wrote in 1998 and 1999 about his “sleaziness,” his “chronic dishonesty,” his “moral problems,” his “moral lapse,” his “unconvincing” argument that he didn’t commit perjury, his inability to “show real contrition,” his “puny” stature in the presidency, the way he “humiliated himself by his own conduct,” the unseemly spectacle of feminists turning “a blind eye to the president’s behavior,” and the “personal hostility” Clinton deserved.

But it shouldn’t be controversial to say that sexual misconduct is worse when it involves children. Until now, accusations of sexual abuse of children have been met with swift, severe and bipartisan responses. Recall the revulsion over Denny Hastert and Anthony Weiner, Mark Foley and David Wu. Predators aren’t solely Democrats or Republicans, liberals or conservatives. No partisan or ideological lens applies — only a human one.

The presumption of innocence has its place, of course — in a courtroom. But this isn’t about whether Moore should go to prison; it’s about whether he belongs in the Senate. Many women who didn’t previously know each other and who didn’t have anything to gain by coming forward have said he pursued them when they were teenagers as young as 14 and he was a grown man. Moore denies the allegations of sexual misconduct but has not denied that he was involved with girls half his age when he was in his 30s."
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [H-] [ In reply to ]
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One of the accusers has found an old card that Moore wrote and gave to her when she was 17. This is Someone he has recently been adamant he never knew. She says they had a relationship and even helped to send out campaign fliers for him. He was about twice her age at the time.

Must be getting some local coverage...
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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One of the accusers has found an old card the Moore wrote and gave to her when she was 17.


If there is anyone out there who honestly believes that Moore is innocent of the things he's been accused of, they are kidding themselves and no amount of facts will change that.
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Reminds me of Everly brothers' song.....Bye Bye Love
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the heads up. I'll get on it. Been out of the loop.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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This news on the same day Trump comes out and finally endorses Moore by name, and the RNC throws its financial support back behind Moore again. Great timing lads!
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [tyrod1] [ In reply to ]
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Read the story.


I think many people here believe the women. This may matter as Moore has changed his story. She is calling him out on it.

Many supporting Moore say, "40 years ago and he's been good since then." But that will not bring out the vote Moore needs. Latest composite poll only has him up 2.6%. That shows he is a joke of a candidate even in deep red Alabama. If Jones can get out the vote, he wins. I'm still predicting a Jones win.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Saw a story yesterday that said Moore is leading Jones 49-43, and 71% of Alabama Republicans don't believe the allegations against Moore. FWIW.








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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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vitus979 wrote:
Saw a story yesterday that said Moore is leading Jones 49-43, and 71% of Alabama Republicans don't believe the allegations against Moore. FWIW.

That is a fake news CBS poll. It is factored into the RCP 2.6% composite that I cited.

As to the 71%, I'd have to see the questions and more info about the poll. I'm guessing that is overstated off a bad question maybe. More fake news.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [H-] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting take on things here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.592e965618a3

I think if Moore wins it will do significant damage to the Republican party in next year's mid-terms in swing states.

I also can't help thinking that Gloria Allred will allow an independent expert to review the High School yearbook some time before the election. That is, unless she plans to wait until he wins and then is subject to an ethics hearing and release it then.
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
One of the accusers has found an old card that Moore wrote and gave to her when she was 17. This is Someone he has recently been adamant he never knew. She says they had a relationship and even helped to send out campaign fliers for him. He was about twice her age at the time.

Must be getting some local coverage...

Between Moore and Sessions, Alabamians seem to have difficulty with their memory...

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Agree with your points. As to the Rubin article, that is the kind of stuff I stay away from: pundits that try to interpret political events into some cultural narrative. Political punditry is a fools errand, never defensible as coherent rational reasoning, never more than a compilation of cherry picked arguments and statistics, and, thus, serves only to preach to the choir.

Now as to vitus's point above about some 73% of Alabama Republicans thinking allegations against Moore are true, I looked at the numbers and call that quote to be "fake news." Here are some more numbers out of that poll, with the question being:

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Q: (AMONG LIKELY VOTERS) As you may have heard, several women have claimed Roy Moore made unwanted advances when they were teenagers and Moore was in his 30s, including one who said he touched her sexually when she was 14. Do you think Moore did or did not make unwanted advances toward teenage girls, or are you not sure?

In heavily Republican state, among all likely votors, results (he did/he did not/no opinion), are as follows:

Likely votors: 35/28/27
Republican: 13/46/41
Leaned Republican 13/47/39

Results are divided into 21 demographics which can be viewed in link I posted above.

Here's how I parse the results:

Among all likely voters in Alabama only about a quarter are willing to state to state that they acquit Moore of making unwanted advances toward teenagers.

In no subgroup of voters do a majority of likely voters think "he did not" -- the highest "he did not." Highest "he did not," 47%, is among "leaned republicans" but even in that subgroup, a majority, 53%, are unwilling to acquit Moore. So rather than focusing on the 13% percent that say "he did," I think it is more relevant to say that even in his most favorable demographic, a majority of Republican and Leaned Republicans are not willing to say that Moore did not do it.

I think that you have to count the "no opinion" votes among republican and likely republicans as "I will not acquit Moore" votes. How do can the high number of "no opinion" responses in this demographic be explained? Are these folks less informed? I doubt it. I think think "no opinion" means, I am suspicious of Moore, I think the allegations are credible so I cannot acquit him, but out of party loyalty I will not opine on this issue yet.

So how will these "no opinions" behave in the election? Are they likely to suddenly decide "he did not" do it? I don't think so. I think it is very troublesome for Moore that a week before the election, in his most favorable demographic, a majority of likely voters will not say, in essence, "I find Moore to be credible."

Last point. The poll at issue only asked about "unwanted" advances toward teenagers. I suspect if the question was "any advances toward teenagers," that a much smaller percentage will say "he did not." In other words, people who believe he did not make unwanted advances, may well believe he made advances.

Why is the last point relevant? Because there was another question not discussed in the written "analysis" of the poll:

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Q: (AMONG LIKELY VOTERS) Do you think it is ever appropriate for a man in his 30s to date a female 16 year-old, or is this never appropriate?


Among all likely votors, 91% say never appropriate, 4% say appropriate, and even among leaned republicans 85% say never appropriate and 7% appropriate.

Here is what I suspect, if the poll included the following question: "do you think Roy Moore behaved inappropriately in dating teenagers in while he was in his 30s?" the percentage of "yes" across all demographics will be very high (like greater than 75%). That is bad for Moore. Some may forgive him and pull the lever, but I suspect many regular republican voters will stay home. Recall my post above, his margin in his last statewide election, against weaker opponent, was not that high.

Edit: 13% corrected to 73% above.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
One of the accusers has found an old card that Moore wrote and gave to her when she was 17. This is Someone he has recently been adamant he never knew. She says they had a relationship and even helped to send out campaign fliers for him. He was about twice her age at the time.

Must be getting some local coverage...


Between Moore and Sessions, Alabamians seem to have difficulty with their memory...

You lefties should appreciate the effort by the citizens of Alabama to defend their man. It's classic win at any cost politics. Really, we're talking about John Wayne Gacy vs a Democrat. Whose going to vote for a Democrat?
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [H-] [ In reply to ]
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H- wrote:
Recall my post above, his margin in his last statewide election, against weaker opponent, was not that high.

Hence why Trump is stumping for him now, and Trump has huge support in AL, so...

Not hearing/reading much about Busby. Is he not doing much down there to get media attention? Is he a red herring? The Project Veritas stuff also doesn't appear to have hurt Moore much. I guess he managed to distance himself from it.
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
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Recall my post above, his margin in his last statewide election, against weaker opponent, was not that high.


Hence why Trump is stumping for him now, and Trump has huge support in AL, so...

Not hearing/reading much about Busby. Is he not doing much down there to get media attention? Is he a red herring? The Project Veritas stuff also doesn't appear to have hurt Moore much. I guess he managed to distance himself from it.

I'm thinking this is one of those cases (like last national election), where the polls are not capturing the right dynamics. I suspect that each of the things you mention has a small effect in keeping some party line republican voters home on election day.

Trump does have huge support in Alabama. I don't think that means a huge number of people look upon Trump as admired exemplar of wisdom and knowledge to whom they defer when he offers an opinion. There are certainly some of those. But I think a large number of Trump supporters in Alabama look upon Trump as a bull that they are happy to turn loose in a china shop.

Trump support for Luther Strange didn't do much for him. However, Moore should not put much stock in that victory as that primary choice is a completely different election from this one in terms of a number of dynamics. I think the lesson of the primary is that Trump is unable to motivate either Republicans or his supporters to turn out and vote for a candidate that they are apathetic about.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Saw a story yesterday that said Moore is leading Jones 49-43, and 71% of Alabama Republicans don't believe the allegations against Moore. FWIW.

I'd actually feel better about things if those 71% said they believed the accusations but will vote for him anyway.

I keep hearing about the proverbial final straw, as it pertains to Trump, the GOP, and Trump supporters. There is no final straw. This is the new normal. His line about shooting someone in Times Square was prophetic.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Saw a story yesterday that said Moore is leading Jones 49-43, and 71% of Alabama Republicans don't believe the allegations against Moore. FWIW.


I'd actually feel better about things if those 71% said they believed the accusations but will vote for him anyway.

I keep hearing about the proverbial final straw, as it pertains to Trump, the GOP, and Trump supporters. There is no final straw. This is the new normal. His line about shooting someone in Times Square was prophetic.

Trump and his base of people who know what they know and damn the facts are a match made in heaven. Just have to hope enough of the anybody but Clinton types or those that didn't vote realize what a travesty he is to the United States.
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Support for Trump has consistently held steady at ~40%, which I simply find mind boggling.


Nevertheless, I love this double standard by the right:

- Hillary gets a strike against her because she was married to a man who committed sexual harassment

- Moore gets a pass on being a lech who pursued 14 year old girls.

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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Support for Trump has consistently held steady at ~40%, which I simply find mind boggling.


Nevertheless, I love this double standard by the right:

- Hillary gets a strike against her because she was married to a man who committed sexual harassment

- Moore gets a pass on being a lech who pursued 14 year old girls.

Dude... it was 40 years ago and he had their mothers blessing.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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BarryP wrote:
Support for Trump has consistently held steady at ~40%, which I simply find mind boggling.


Nevertheless, I love this double standard by the right:

- Hillary gets a strike against her because she was married to a man who committed sexual harassment

- Moore gets a pass on being a lech who pursued 14 year old girls.

Dude...Bill Clinton got a pass so Moore should get one too.
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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Saw a story yesterday that said Moore is leading Jones 49-43, and 71% of Alabama Republicans don't believe the allegations against Moore. FWIW.

71% of Alabama also believes that humans walked the Earth with dinosaurs...

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Re: Even Moore sexual misconduct allegations [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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BarryP wrote:
Support for Trump has consistently held steady at ~40%, which I simply find mind boggling.


Nevertheless, I love this double standard by the right:

- Hillary gets a strike against her because destroyed the lives of women who her husband raped.

- Moore gets a pass on being a lech who pursued 14 year old girls.

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