Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [Runningwithbees] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 12:49

Post #26 of 140 (3449 views)

Quote:

Watching the semis last night it seemed like Phelps made his statement dominating the first 150 meters and then packed it in a bit the last 50.
Le Clos looked like he was just doing enough to advance having raced a hard final earlier in the night.

I think Le Clos' theatrics last night were aimed at trying to get Phelps to swim harder than he planned. If so, it actually worked for 150m until Phelps shut it down a bit. Phelps did put in his best time of the year which he did not have to do last night. Or, maybe Le Clos is just crazy. But, marginal gains by getting your competition just a bit more tired than they wanted to be after the prelims is not a bad plan.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [STP] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 12:55

Post #27 of 140 (3441 views)

STP wrote:

I think Le Clos' theatrics last night were aimed...

I really really doubt that there was any planning involved in any of his antics.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [STP] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 13:01

Post #28 of 140 (3435 views)

STP wrote:

Quote:

Watching the semis last night it seemed like Phelps made his statement dominating the first 150 meters and then packed it in a bit the last 50.
Le Clos looked like he was just doing enough to advance having raced a hard final earlier in the night.

I think Le Clos' theatrics last night were aimed at trying to get Phelps to swim harder than he planned. If so, it actually worked for 150m until Phelps shut it down a bit. Phelps did put in his best time of the year which he did not have to do last night. Or, maybe Le Clos is just crazy. But, marginal gains by getting your competition just a bit more tired than they wanted to be after the prelims is not a bad plan.

...and meanwhile we also have Kenderesi who put in a faster time than Phelps' fastest time of the year. How much faster can that kid go tonite? Could we see a Hungarian + Japanese sweep? Is that even in the realm of possibility?

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [ajthomas] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 13:01

Post #29 of 140 (3435 views)

No, Le clos doesn't strike me as a 'planner'

I missed what he did though???

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Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:14

Post #30 of 140 (3383 views)

He shadow boxed right in front of Phelp's face.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:15

Post #31 of 140 (3382 views)

JasoninHalifax wrote:

No, Le clos doesn't strike me as a 'planner'

I missed what he did though???

We'd have to bring Mohammad Ali back into this life to give LeClos some proper training on how this is done. Heck Ali could get under the skin of Presidents with his verbal jabs, forget about other boxers. And then you have Bolt who can take it to another level completely and not even piss anyone off....just make them panic that his hamstring is ready to roll:

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [nightfend] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:17

Post #32 of 140 (3381 views)

He shadow boxed right in front of Phelp's face. //

And how about that face. Do you all think that those dog like snarls were on purpose, or were then like a dog and just a non thought out reaction? It was kind of creepy looking at his mouth and lips, thought he could leap out and rip his throat out at any second..

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [nightfend] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:32

Post #33 of 140 (3361 views)

That actually sounds funny! I haven't seen it though, maybe it wasn't, but it sounds like it was. I would've laughed. But that's just me.

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Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:38

Post #34 of 140 (3354 views)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BemrQOzMVWo

JasoninHalifax wrote:

That actually sounds funny! I haven't seen it though, maybe it wasn't, but it sounds like it was. I would've laughed. But that's just me.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 14:43

Post #35 of 140 (3350 views)

I found the interaction between the two before the race more entertaining than the semi-final. Between that and Lilly Kings comments on dopers the out of the pool action has been interesting.

I couldn't believe how many time Le Clos looked over during the middle of the race. I'd like to see him beat Phelps in the finals, but my guess would be they'll end up fighting for silver.

Matt

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 16:19

Post #36 of 140 (3299 views)

The betting sites have this order:

Phelps
Czeh
Kenderesi
Le Clos
Seto

Seto is a much longer shot than Le Clos. Really it's between those top 4.
I would love to see Kenderesi, Czeh, or Seto win. If it's between Le Clos and Phelps I'm pulling for Phelps.

I agree that Phelp's 200 fly hasn't looked anywhere near his fly from last year in San Antonio.
Phelps might have too much muscle for a 200 fly now. (Just a theory or thought)
Hard to count him out. He's so damn tough, he might win it anyway.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [SH] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:26

Post #37 of 140 (3232 views)

SH wrote:

The betting sites have this order:

Phelps
Czeh
Kenderesi
Le Clos
Seto

Seto is a much longer shot than Le Clos. Really it's between those top 4.
I would love to see Kenderesi, Czeh, or Seto win. If it's between Le Clos and Phelps I'm pulling for Phelps.

I agree that Phelp's 200 fly hasn't looked anywhere near his fly from last year in San Antonio.
Phelps might have too much muscle for a 200 fly now. (Just a theory or thought)
Hard to count him out. He's so damn tough, he might win it anyway.

Game on!!!

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:32

Post #38 of 140 (3221 views)

#20...................That was awesome.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [climber7] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:35

Post #39 of 140 (3200 views)

climber7 wrote:

Leddy wrote:

He's not packing it in, he's trying not burn too many matches for lack of a better term. He also shut it down in London in prelims at times

i knew what was meant, regardless of the term used. i just disagreed. agree to disagree, and i hope i'm wrong :)

wrong i was. and happy to admit it!

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [B.McMaster] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:36

Post #40 of 140 (3195 views)

B.McMaster wrote:

#20...................That was awesome.

No matter what anyone may think of him, the guy is amazing.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [climber7] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:36

Post #41 of 140 (3193 views)

Lived up to the hype!

Let food be thy medicine...

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [Dan Funk] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:45

Post #42 of 140 (3157 views)

Dan Funk wrote:

B.McMaster wrote:

#20...................That was awesome.

No matter what anyone may think of him, the guy is amazing.

Yep - and his 2 best events are yet to come, add in another relay. Wow, just wow.

Where are the Olympics in 2020? Wonder if his mom wants to go there?

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [B.McMaster] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:54

Post #43 of 140 (3127 views)

Tokyo I think? I say he trains for the 10k open water swim. He's got four years to prep for it.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 18:56

Post #44 of 140 (3117 views)

Yup, Tokyo

Good race. I was really happy to see a couple of relative unknowns earn medals.

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Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [climber7] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 19:12

Post #45 of 140 (3076 views)

climber7 wrote:

climber7 wrote:

Leddy wrote:

He's not packing it in, he's trying not burn too many matches for lack of a better term. He also shut it down in London in prelims at times

i knew what was meant, regardless of the term used. i just disagreed. agree to disagree, and i hope i'm wrong :)

wrong i was. and happy to admit it!

Great race !
I can see why at his age you could think that. A lot of the top swimmers will shut it down at the end of a prelim heat when they know they're where they need to be.

Now bring on the 4 X 200.....

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 9, 16 20:54

Post #46 of 140 (2961 views)

I keep looking at the replay and can't figure out how Kendersi got 3rd. It looked like he touched before Sakai.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 10, 16 5:27

Post #47 of 140 (2812 views)

JasoninHalifax wrote:

Yup, Tokyo

Good race. I was really happy to see a couple of relative unknowns earn medals.

You gotta hand it to Phelps. I guy just knows what he needs to do to win....I came "close" on asking "what is the chance of Hungarian+Japanese podium. Phelps was awesome. I think LeClos's 200m free + fly semis took a lot out of him. He "looked" toast. LeClos hopefully learned the less of not poking the bear!

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Aug 10, 16 5:40

Post #48 of 140 (2762 views)

Is it just me, or was anyone else turned off by Phelps antics after the race?

I'm tired of the drama at the games. I just wanna see the swimming.

So far, Ledecky, Hosszu and Peaty have had the most dominant performances, and they've looked like they're just happy to win. No ego.

Women's 200 free was the race of the Games though. Lived up to the hype.

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Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 10, 16 5:50

Post #49 of 140 (2742 views)

JasoninHalifax wrote:

Is it just me, or was anyone else turned off by Phelps antics after the race?

I'm tired of the drama at the games. I just wanna see the swimming.

So far, Ledecky, Hosszu and Peaty have had the most dominant performances, and they've looked like they're just happy to win. No ego.

Women's 200 free was the race of the Games though. Lived up to the hype.

What antics? Enjoying the adulation of the crowd?
I think he should have done this to Le Clos:

The only antic I did not enjoy was his cracking up hysterically and pointing during the National Anthem at the award ceremony.

Re: Phelps vs Le Clos vs the Hungarians vs the Japanese (200 Fly) [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Aug 10, 16 5:52

Post #50 of 140 (2728 views)

JasoninHalifax wrote:

Is it just me, or was anyone else turned off by Phelps antics after the race?

I'm tired of the drama at the games. I just wanna see the swimming.

So far, Ledecky, Hosszu and Peaty have had the most dominant performances, and they've looked like they're just happy to win. No ego.

Women's 200 free was the race of the Games though. Lived up to the hype.

I wasn't. It's ok to bask in glory from time to time.

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