I don't care if his arguement was valid or not, it was the completely inappropriate setting to have that discussion. All of us Legacy athletes were being honored. Dave Scott, Mark Allen, PNF, & Greg Welch spoke as did Messsick. Then they all stuck around so we could individually meet them. My man took that oppertunity, to complain about a program he voluntarily participated in and greatly benefitted from. Andrew gave the dude his email address and promised he would consider his idea, but still this guy persisted. It got very awkward for those of us within ear shot. Not cool.
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Gary Mc
Did I mention I did Kona

Some people can put a negative spin on anything.

True. Take a big enough group of people and you will have a suv group that will not be happy with something.

I have stood there and listened to athletes complaining to RD's about the flavour of gels at aid stations. Or a few years ago, how about this - when working as the Race Announcer, at a triathlon we changed the format slightly for the draw prizes during the award ceremony. A guy came up to me and nearly ripped my head off over this - storming off in a fit of rage. Yes, over the chance to win some free stuff. I could go on and on.


I've always though the Legacy program was a good one. Kudos to the WTC for getting it going and keeping it going.

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The genesis of the program was a dinner at Ironman Germany. The European races - especially Frankfurt - are so fast and so competitive, many of these folks who wanted to do Kona faced the prospect of having to travel far abroad to try to get a slot, because getting a slot at Frankfurt is almost impossible. So this was a way for those folks to be able to continue to support their home race and also have a real chance to get to Kona simply through a reward for their loyalty to Ironman.

Smart business move? Sure. I think rewarding your most loyal customers is always a pretty good strategy...

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So legacy program participants will do 2 IM's in the same year? I know there are plenty of people that do more than 1 in a year but by the time I get to 12 or whatever the magic numbers is, I don't think i'll be able to physically do 2 in a year.

That is BS.

Messick is paid a TON of money, and he also takes full advantage to shill the brand when he can. He is in a public place, he is accessible and he should be accountable.

Letters go unread, or read by secretaries. Twitter rants often are bashed for being cowardly and someone hiding behind a screen.

There is a lot to be said for talking to someone face to face, looking in their eyes and also gauging whether they are full of #$%^& or not.

And alot of people paid big money to go there. Why should this dude mess up the experience that other people wanted to enjoy just so he could complain about something that was completely voluntary for him?

yes I do. he hit 12 last year. applied for legacy but did not get it.

he signed up for and completed another IM this year and is very sure he will get accepted as a legacy for next year. he is signed up for another full for next year just in case.

I think the magic number is definitely 12-13 right now, and not higher.

And he paid big money too.

There could be a lot more to the story.. or maybe not. Maybe he spent months sending emails and calls unreturned, or maybe he got there, heard something smug and it just flipped him off.

He was there. Messick was there. He had something to say and all the more power to him

I would not be surprised if Messick has been ducking him for months

He paid to be there, he has just as much right as any.

There in lies the rub. He paid the money knowing the conditions. But the issue here is venue not necessarily his complaints. But honestly if he didnt like the conditions he didnt need to sign up for it, I scratch my head at people who voluntarily do things and then complain about them.

The point that is made is this was the wrong place wrong time to air his grievances and he had no regard for everyone else he was just concerned with his opinion being heard. Thats the rub.

I wouldnt be surprised if he was being ducked as well. Just from the sound of it, this guy is not satisfied till he gets his way. Having dealt with people like that, when they dont take the answer the first 10 times why continue to have the conversation. But of course this is all supposition since we have no idea if or how many times this guy had tried to make any contact before this or if he is just a loon who jumped on an opportunity and had no mental filter.


Sure he has rights but his rights end when they infringe on the rights of the other guests.

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Did I mention I did Kona

No- if you get your legacy slot for a specific year, you do NOT have to complete the other IM race you are registered for in that same year. You just need to be registered for another IM race to meet the Legacy requirements - probably insurance in case you don't get a legacy slot in that specific year and need to keep your consecutive races going to be considered for the following year. I got a Legacy slot for 2013 and didn't end up doing the other IM race i was registered for in June.

lottery...definition...a process or thing whose success or outcome is governed by chance.

Win the lottery then validate. Pretty simple.

When can I sign up for Legacy? I see the lottery sign-up is open, but I can't see how I can register for Legacy.

It's open now:

http://www.ironman.com/...s.aspx#axzz3fnp7qwgo

Thanks Thom!

wait wait.. legacy has to be consecutive?

i did imlp in 2011

imwi and imcoz in 2013

immd next year

thinking imuk and immt in 2016.

so instead of being 6 i'm actually at 3 after 2016?

john

I have not heard anything about a need for them to be consecutive.

you're a long way off with your 6 IMs
Consecutive in this case mean for the consecutive years 2013 & 2014 and be entered for an IM in 2015..... so you basically need to be a current IM participant

Q. What are the eligibility requirements for the 2015 IRONMAN Legacy Program?
To enroll athletes must meet all four of the following requirements*:
1. Athlete must have completed a minimum of twelve (12) full-distance IRONMAN-branded** races (includes existing and past events) by December 31, 2014.
2. Athlete has never participated in the IRONMAN World Championship in Kailua-Kona, Hawai’i.
3. Athlete must have completed at least one full-distance IRONMAN event in 2013 and 2014.
4. Athlete must be registered for a full-distance IRONMAN event in 2015.
*Legacy athletes will be required to submit their information during online registration.
**2.4-mile swim, 112-mile bike, 26.2-mile run
Q. If I am selected and compete in the IRONMAN World Championship, am I eligible to reapply for the IRONMAN Legacy Program in future years?
No, once you have competed in the IRONMAN World Championship, you are no longer eligible to enroll in the IRONMAN Legacy Program.

OHHHH.

in that case i'm not worried. when i get closer to 12 i'll do them in consecutive years.

i think i'm likely to qualify before i hit 12 ironmans. i've pr'ed each IM i've done by an hour. at this rate i'll be sub 10 next year and sub 9 the year after ;-)