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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [RowToTri] [ In reply to ]
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Four years ago, I dared suggest that the economics of pro-cycling made it extremely unlikely that Lance was completely innocent.
This provoked an angry clamor of Slowtwitch responses. (And no support.)
"How dare I suggest such a thing!!!"

How many passionate Colom haters, were once Lance worshippers?

Yes- This discussion is worth having.
Yes- Coloms past is worth noting when considering his current performances. (2nd and 3rd might especially want to know.)

Yet where does all the vitriol come from?

Who amongst us would behave differently, if placed in Coloms shoes?
If you are certain "you would never do such a thing," I am certain you cannot be trusted. You are actually much more likely than the rest of us to cheat.
Integretity is built on honesty and realism.
Not because we were born more moral than these lesser people.

This does not argue against a robust anti-drug policy.
Quite the contrary. Since we could all be cheaters, if put in the wrong wrong context, it is especially important that steps be taken to prevent this from happening.


This has little to do with Colom, however.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Furious D] [ In reply to ]
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Furious D wrote:
I'm sure its been said in this thread, or another one. But if they are going to follow the WADA anti-doping penalties, I really wish they would adapt the sport specific rules to be more like wearing a wetsuit above 76.1 degrees.

"You've been convicted of doping and served your penalty? Ok, come race. But you're not eligible for AG awards or Kona slots.

What, you don't want to race anymore? Ok, next (wo)man up."

I agree. WTC already makes you "validate" to be eligible to race it's championship. Why not make having a clean record be part of being valid? I'm all for it.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Beachboy] [ In reply to ]
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It was already proven that he cheated, hence he is not a pro cyclist anymore. What more proof do you need?
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Mrcoconutgrove] [ In reply to ]
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Yes I get it he cheated as a pro-cyclist, but what proof is there he's cheating now......none.

He's racing within the rules, like it or not.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [dirtymangos] [ In reply to ]
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Well done. I suspect Slowman in particular enjoyed reading that.
Last edited by: ajthomas: Sep 8, 14 20:33
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6': Unreal [Furious D] [ In reply to ]
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Furious D wrote:
I'm sure its been said in this thread, or another one. But if they are going to follow the WADA anti-doping penalties, I really wish they would adapt the sport specific rules to be more like wearing a wetsuit above 76.1 degrees.

"You've been convicted of doping and served your penalty? Ok, come race. But you're not eligible for AG awards or Kona slots.

What, you don't want to race anymore? Ok, next (wo)man up."
THIS!!

Oh, he may have killed someone, but is he still killing someone now?
It was his active choice to dope, and yes, he got better by using it.
If I had done athletics or any form of training as a kid, I would be much faster now, but I was a couch potatoe.
If I had used doping 4 years ago, I would be faster now (because I would have been able to handle more training), but I didn't.
Training = doping and he just took an illegal dose.

Triathlon should not be the 'second chance'-sport. And Dan's reaction on stage is an emotional one. Maybe not the perfect way, but who are we to judge? Better this way than doing nothing at all.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Javier Gomez has pro tour FTP so I guess the brownlees have it too
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Staz] [ In reply to ]
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Staz wrote:
pyf wrote:
Rappstar wrote:


I remember reading somewhere Michie Weiss was still controlled during his ban, not sure if this is correct ? If that's the case, he was probably one of the very very few. Most of the guys have no licence during the ban period, so no reason to be controlled nor localized, they can have an easy life of strong doping and hard training without any risk. Then they can come back with like you said maybe the same as 6 years or 8 years of training, nice :-) .

Weiss remained in WTC's highest order testing pool during his entire suspension and was tested multiples of times.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [elwoodblues] [ In reply to ]
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You should probably edit this so that pyf's quote doesn't appear to have been said by Rappstar.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Beachboy] [ In reply to ]
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It's not like he started from scratch when he stopped doping.

I find it difficult to believe that people without a personal connection to the ex-dopers are fine with having deliberate frauds in our sport. They can have a 'second chance' in any other part of their lives, but they gave up their right to participate in endurance sports.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [snackchair] [ In reply to ]
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That is a pretty high level of perfection you've set for yourself :) I'm only human so my bar is set a little lower.
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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Beachboy] [ In reply to ]
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It has nothing to do with perfection. It has to do with not cheating.

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Re: Worlds AG race: Colom by 6'? [Dave Latourette] [ In reply to ]
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He's not a pro cyclist anymore and obviously doesn't train like one with a 27min swim and a 1:19 run ... SO, i'm sure w/kilo is not what it was when he had a syringe in his ass and a testosterone patch in his arm pit. Maybe we shouldn't compare Colom the pro cyclist to Colom the Professional Age Group Triathlete

Running and swimming require a specific skill set in terms of bio-mechanics. You can't just muscle your way through running or the water. Compared to his bike... his swim sucks....really bad.... and his run isn't all that great either for a smaller, leaner guy. My run economy is probably not far off his, and I guarantee that my swim efficiency must be better.... I just don't have nearly his motor. Sorry, but a 1:19 off a 2:03 is pathetic. You might argue he overbiked, but I think his skill set just isn't there.

If his run and swim skills matched his engine, he would have the same splits as Gomez.

Compare his performance to Lionel Sanders. Clearly weak on swim technique, but his run economy is excellent and matches his motor on the bike. Gomez goes one step farther and is an even better runner compared to his bike.

I'm sure his power is lower than when he was a cyclist, since he now has to swim & bike and any pro cyclist would make a lot less power if they had to run 5-6 days a week. Comparing a triathlete to a pro cyclist is never fair, because they bike more. Just liek you can;t compare Pott's swim ability to Olympic swimmers. He'd get killed even though years ago he was close to their ability.

Considering he wasn't a top top rider or TT specialist, I still find it very suspect.


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