h2ofun wrote:
BDoughtie wrote:
How many races have TT bikes and drafting? The only event in US sounds like the Cali race you do and sounds like Mexican races are DL + TT bikes. Not a very large sample size is it?
I'm sure there are other races in world that are DL + TT but not many.
The sport of cycling doest allow aero bar bikes in mass starts.
So, how can so many then say without any facts, example, etc. that they KNOW all the negative issues? We do have example of races, real races, that have not had issues, right? Yes we can talk around them,
but these are facts, and they are having no issues. One does not care about the bike type. The others was have some data, but not 100%.
Your sport of cycling does not allow aero bars. The new ITU DL AG sport we still have no idea. It is NOT your sport, it is a NEW sport. What the rules are will be communicated from ITU and USAT when they know.
This is why it seems they should have waited for any announcement, IMO, until they had more data. Then we would not have wasted pages and pages of opinions on things we have no idea. Once we have the facts,
then we can say but, .....
Again, this is a triathlon proposal, NOT a cycling proposal. There are cycling rules. There are Elite DL triathlon rules. What we have yet to see is the proposed ITU DL AG triathlon rules.
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As has been made clear to you about 600 times...there is no such thing as "elite DL rules" for ITU. There are DL rules and non-draft rules. Statements from the ITU have explicitly clarified that at this moment, they do not intend to modify equipment rules for DL races for age groupers, meaning that AG DL races will be run by the existing ITU DL rules.
You're right. This isn't a cycling proposal, but if you're an engineer as you say you are and why we should feel bad for your family, I would think you'd be familiar with the idea of best practices. We do have a chance here to design something that is not completely brand-new in that it bears similarities to existing events, most notably mass-start amateur cycling events. Those events have been around for a LOOOOONG time, so their practices may not be the best theoretical possibility, but they are certainly a standard worth examining. We do not have to adopt every single facet of mass-start cycling, as not all of it makes sense, but it behooves us to look at existing, similar rule sets as a model, particularly when we start to talk about insuring these events.
I will concede to you that there's not a whole lot of data on people riding in large groups on TT bikes. The reason for that is because it doesn't happen much. I would wager that there is not a lot of data about the dangers of driving on the opposite side of the road, either. Sure, there are examples of people who have done it without issue, but that does not make it a safe or best practice.
Additionally, if we can't talk about what
ought to be until we "know more specifics," then what are you doing here? That's pretty much the purpose of this thread, so if you don't want to talk about that, and you just continue to shoot down anybody who tries to discuss what those rules ought to be by calling them narrow-minded and a bully (which is narrow-minded, bullying behavior itself), I sincerely wonder what purpose you're trying to accomplish.
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