I know. Both the Chicago Marathon and Rev 3 races are in full compliance ith all laws and rules. That means LA can't race chicago but can race Rev 3 (and the mtb marathon race he's slated for).

Its easy to see why that the people who wanted LA strung up are pretty pissed that so far the sum total of his ban is a little bit of rescheduling of the jet. Hopefully he'll donate the proceeds of the fuel saved by not doing Kona to the cancer fund.

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We don't need no stinkin USAT rankings. ;)

Sorry, too many messages too fast, how about the comnbination of drugs he was taking potentially led to his cancer. Even Ferrari worried about this.

Richie spoke out again today.

That happened after my prior posts.

20+ years ago Calvin Murphy (the basketball player) made fun of my cancer surviving brother because of his handicap. A couple of years ago I called his radio program and said, "15 years ago you made fun of my brother who has a handicap. I was only a teenager at the time, so I didn't say anything to you. But I am now, you asshole." I was hung up on and I don't think it made it to air, but I know he heard me.

But Calvin did this to my family and he had it coming. Unless Lance did something to you personally, I think it would be out of line to confront him. Though it might be worth it for the story!

It's highly hypothetical. There is a link between the use of steroids and cancer, but you can't conclude that he got it
from this. Testicular cancer is far from uncommon in a healthy male under 30.
The conjecture that EPO facilitated the metastasizing is also just that: a conjecture.

Are these possible? Yes. Can we say to some degree we are sure? nope. Even 20% sure...just can't conclude. The only
thing we can say is that the use of beta-HCG is the very likely cause for the very late detection of a cancer in a male
that has a strong medical team around him, as is the case within a pro cycling team. That you can say with very
reasonable certainty.

I guess how the fact that USAT collegiate championship qualifiers are based on the conference race omnium standings and dont say anything about USAT for the races themselves. Im a bit surprised by that but i guess local unsanctioned races for smaller colleges could help with inclusion, but I dont know. I'm guessing we'll see a rule change following this, or at least a cleanup of the rules.

So, what did he say?

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Fair enough, but people dismiss it out of hand or are afraid to raise the question. Clearly his doping impacted the detection, and therefore the state of his cancer and the risk to his health he then battled back from.

Pick6, interesting your obsession with Lance bashing. Did a ST search and your last 10 pages of posts are all related to Lance, Im sure it went on but I stopped clicking next. Might want to contribute something else to the ST forum, would add to your credibility here. Maybe talk about wheels or swimming?

EDIT: I admit to Lance posting on here too, but dude, literally every single post from you is Lance, doping or Hamiltons book.

Eating bacon 'potentially' leads to cancer...

The end of your statement, yes, most definitely. My comments were for the sake of accuracy. The shit is piled high enough. No need to pile up more.
But I sure am shaking my head in disbelief when I read some people's comments here. I wish RDs had the balls Uli has...

From a logistics point isn't the Pro race at the Olympic Distance, as is the collegiate race. Lance will be racing the Half which means he isn't after the prize purse. Theoretically, the Pro/Collegiate race could be sanctioned differently than the half(Say the Oly/Half were held on different days) thus why the decision was made.

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A couple of things here. Our conference (MACTC) is/was super excited to have partnered with Rev3 to allow us to race this as the MACTC "collegiate champs". They helped with costs of the event for the kids as well as allowing all the college kids the pro style transition area. So, it's cool that a race like that has allowed us to partner up with them. In terms of regulating having to race in usat sanctioned races, I doubt any new rule/regulation is sanctioned. Frankly there doenst need to be, if the deciding factor for collegiate nationals is allowed to be decided by each individual conference/region themselves.

Now, this is my own thoughts, but I dont think the conference should be excited that we get to race with Lance (only because he's serving an active doping ban). Now technically, this is all on the up and up because the race changed it's insurance format so that they could invite Lance "legally", thus no more USAT certified race. So, fair enough, and I hope that many can gain alot of inspiration from him for his cancer awareness causes. I just dont think I can be excited by it, though I will say many of my kids who are racing, really have no clue/understanding of what Lance/cycling was really about. Which I cant fault them, hell most of them werent even out of middle school when all his doping stuff went down, so likely non of them even really knew what really was going on.

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Lance won't hurt anyone's rankings. Rankings are based on "pacesetters" (i.e people within the field that did enough races in the previous year to qualify for annual rankings). I don't think Lance had enough races in 2011 to qualify (0, if I recall his race resume correctly). Even if he did have enough races, the rankings system throws out the top and bottom chunks of pacesetters (top and bottom 20%, I think?) so your score at a particular event is determined by how well you do against the middle 60% of pacesetters, which would certainly not include Lance, even if he were a pacesetter.

As for what I would say to Lance if I were racing him...I'm honestly not sure. Part of me wants to tell him that I "looked up to [him] every day of the summer when I watched the TDF after my morning swim practice...", and the other part of me wants to finish that sentence with "...but you let me down by cheating and bullying others into colluding with you." I'm very torn on this one. Regardless of my feelings toward him, I think it would be cool to toe the line with him, for the same reason that I would think it would be cool to shake hands with Obama---just to say I did it. I shook Bill Clinton's hand many years ago and although I disagreed with many of the things he did I still look back on that as something cool.

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Just to clear up a few things that are getting thrown around on the thread:
-REV3 makes NO money on the HalfFull Triathlon. UCF is the charity that REV3 supports. This year much of the REV3 staff took 21 days off and ran across the country to raise money for UCF. For the last 2 years REV3 has donated timing and supplies for HalfFull because Charlie is a nice guy and (correctly) believes that Ulman is an amazing organziation that does great things.
-Lance is not racing as a pro. He is participating as a cancer survivor. He won't be taking prize money away from pros and my guess is he doesn't care about age group awards.
Those that choose to race this race won't be sorry. It is an incredible event that is about so much more than your swim, bike and run time. The race is 70 miles long (not 70.3) to represent the estimated 70,000 young adults that are diagnosed with cancer every year. The name of the race "Half Full" has nothing to do with a half ironman or full distance. Half Full is being able to stare in the face of adversity with HOPE, OPTIMISM and the WILL to get through the difficult times and live your life. The Ulman Cancer Fund has been teaching and coaching others on how to face a diagnosis of cancer with this attitude.
So, say what you want about Lance Armstrong, doping and USAT sanctioning but this race is not about the profit and decisions that Ulman and REV3 have made have nothing to do with making profit and everything to do with supporting Ulman and raising awareness in the fight against cancer.

Well said

Paraphrasing. Said he was disappointed, said if Lance just showed up and spoke, awesome. But coming to race isnt good for the athletes involved, the integrity of the race or the sport.

Sounds like Lance doesn't have to race in order for all those goals to be achieved. So why is he racing?

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Other than my opinions about the risks he took with his health and the potential it had to affect his cancer diagnosis, all my other posts are factual. I joined the forum to discuss this issue after being a long time lurker. Im not a fan of cheating or doping.

Because announcing that LA is simple appearing or promoting this event does not increase participation like the fact that he is racing it will.

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I really don't get why everyone is consumed by this debate. Weather he did or not, no one but Lance knows the truth and he has to live with it. Their is no smoking gun no urine sample to point at just some already convicted dopers saying Lance did it too. Too hate him just seems like a waste of energy you could be using swimming ,biking or running.

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The pro race is at the "Olympic Rev" distance of .9/32mi/6.5mi. Lance will be racing the "Half Full" distance which is .9/56/13.1. The races are on the same day as far as I know.

The collegiate race doesn't need to be USAT sanctioned per the MACTC rules (just read up on them this morning as I discussed this with BDoughtie), although I wonder if USAT has any rules about pros racing non USAT-sanctioned events in the same way that USAC does?

Not sure if anyone has posted the withdrawal policy, but Pick6...here you are:

If you wish to withdraw from the REVOLUTION3 Triathlon Event, you may receive a credit for the following years REVOLUTION3 Triathlon Event. The event transfer is valid for the next year�s event ONLY. You must notify us in writing via e-mail to info@rev3tri.com or you may call (703) 745-3142 if you intend to withdrawl and meet one of the following scenarios.
If for any reason, you notify ATP Productions (ATP) more than 60 days prior to the start of an event weekend of your withdraw you will receive a 100% credit towards the following years event. This credit only covers the race entry fee. Processing fees and online registration fees will not be included with your credit
If you have a MEDICAL Reason, you will need to provide a signed doctors letter advising us that you are not able to compete. This letter must be received by ATP Productions 30 days prior to the event weekend in order for you to receive your race event credit. This credit only covers the race entry fee. Processing fees and online registration fees will not be included in your credit.

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