Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [squid] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 11:47

Post #76 of 153 (9200 views)

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show me literature related to women with decreased libido NOT related to eating disorders -I suspect you will have difficulty finding it

Maybe I'm missing something here. You seem to be suggesting that all decreases in women's libidos are due to eating disorders. Correct?

It seems like it will be eating disorders + high training load but not JUST high training load...

Anyways this thread took the wrong turn and got too technical, its time for R10C to come back with some other "anecdotal" study, experience or story that will trump all science and entertain at the same time.

I have seen lately a thread about vomiting, another about a "celeb" puking 17+ times at Kona, this one about bulimics and people with eating disorders, body image problems, just plain depressing... I mean please enough puke for a week :)

Peace

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [ivansie] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 12:00

Post #77 of 153 (9182 views)

Anyways this thread took the wrong turn and got too technical, its time for R10C to come back with some other bullshit story, experience or story that will trump all science and entertain at the same time.

There, I fixed it for you.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 12:04

Post #78 of 153 (9174 views)

x2!!!!!!

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [squid] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 12:09

Post #79 of 153 (9165 views)

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show me literature related to women with decreased libido NOT related to eating disorders -I suspect you will have difficulty finding it

Maybe I'm missing something here. You seem to be suggesting that all decreases in women's libidos are due to eating disorders. Correct?

To suggest that endurance training in and of itself leads to decreased libido in WOMEN is just plain wrong - and the literature supports this claim.

No, I am not suggesting that in ALL women decrease is libido is related to eating disorders - depression, hormone disruption, fatigue are more common, but in elite women endurance athletes? It is NOT the norm, it is NOT caused by high training loads. Given the preponderance of eating disorders amongst female athletes that is a more likely cause.

Tigerchik is just plain wrong on this one. She will be hard pressed to find any literature to support her claim that in WOMEN high training load is correlated to decreased libido. In WOMEN high training load leads to INCREASED testosterone and decreased estrogen - amenorrhea and INCREASED sex drive.

Since she did not have ready references, I can only assume she is speaking from personal experience. I would like to suggest that trying to expand on one's own anecdotal experience is usually wrong.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [barelysub4] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 12:43

Post #80 of 153 (9132 views)

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Anyways this thread took the wrong turn and got too technical, its time for R10C to come back with some other bullshit story, experience or story that will trump all science and entertain at the same time.

There, I fixed it for you.

you should know by now that some comments don't even require pink fond, it's assumed

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Hendon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 12:47

Post #81 of 153 (9119 views)

And we have a winner...

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [turtlesam] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:05

Post #82 of 153 (8988 views)

However, some new research is beginning to move away from this theory

In other words, the medical profession really has no clue but you diminish someone else's opinion because they are not a doctor?

Last edited by: FJB: Oct 15, 09 16:07

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [ivansie] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:13

Post #83 of 153 (8973 views)

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Anyways this thread took the wrong turn and got too technical, its time for R10C to come back with some other "anecdotal" study, experience or story that will trump all science and entertain at the same time.

Oh no you don't, I need technical and sciency.

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Hendon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:19

Post #84 of 153 (8956 views)

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In Reply To
show me literature related to women with decreased libido NOT related to eating disorders -I suspect you will have difficulty finding it

Maybe I'm missing something here. You seem to be suggesting that all decreases in women's libidos are due to eating disorders. Correct?
To suggest that endurance training in and of itself leads to decreased libido in WOMEN is just plain wrong - and the literature supports this claim.

No, I am not suggesting that in ALL women decrease is libido is related to eating disorders - depression, hormone disruption, fatigue are more common, but in elite women endurance athletes? It is NOT the norm, it is NOT caused by high training loads. Given the preponderance of eating disorders amongst female athletes that is a more likely cause.

Tigerchik is just plain wrong on this one. She will be hard pressed to find any literature to support her claim that in WOMEN high training load is correlated to decreased libido. In WOMEN high training load leads to INCREASED testosterone and decreased estrogen - amenorrhea and INCREASED sex drive.

Since she did not have ready references, I can only assume she is speaking from personal experience. I would like to suggest that trying to expand on one's own anecdotal experience is usually wrong.

So it's okay for you to say: no literature exists, thus it can't happen?

As for "tigerchik didn't have any ready references," I've been busy all day with schoolwork, training, and a doctor's appointment and haven't had a chance to look.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
If you're injured and need some sympathy, PM me and I'm very happy to write back.
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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Record10Carbon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:19

Post #85 of 153 (8956 views)

Please tell me two hot chicks rode in on a carbon QR Seduza and took over when her insatiable appetite could not be fulfilled by the young stud...with Zipp 808s.

Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Jeff Spicoli] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:27

Post #86 of 153 (8943 views)

Jeff - PubMed doesn't have the full text (or an abstract) for this article but the title is promising:

'Overtraining' in athletes and decreased libido.
Altbuch AM.
Am Fam Physician. 1993 Oct;48(5):734. No abstract available.
PMID: 8213404 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

I'll see if we've got the paper journal in the library tomorrow.

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Hendon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 16:38

Post #87 of 153 (8922 views)

... furthermore, it's short-sighted to say "testosterone increases, therefore, female athletes must have a higher sex drive" because there are a lot of factors - physical (hormonal) and psychological that influence sex drive. And ALL of them need to be considered.

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No, I am not suggesting that in ALL women decrease is libido is related to eating disorders - depression, hormone disruption, fatigue are more common, but in elite women endurance athletes? It is NOT the norm, it is NOT caused by high training loads.

You keep asking me to prove what I'm saying, yet you have no evidence for claims like "it's not the norm" or "it's NOT caused by high training loads." Until you prove or disprove something you have to admit, it COULD happen. We know it happens in males so why can't it happen in females?

But I am done wasting my time arguing with you, I think it's a subject that needs more research, and I think that research will show that men and women can suffer low libido when they are training heavily. All? no. Some? Yup.

maybe she's born with it, maybe it's chlorine
If you're injured and need some sympathy, PM me and I'm very happy to write back.
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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [Hendon] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:05

Post #88 of 153 (8885 views)

Hendon: I sense from your posts that you are a physician as am I (pulmonary/critical care). It cracks me up the number of college students who read something in Biology 101 or people not in the field on this forum who consider themselves experts when commenting on medical topics. That's why usually don't post on these topics. Kudos to you to chime in.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [KL] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:11

Post #89 of 153 (8874 views)

My bachelor's degree is in exercise science. I'm a grad student now (different program though).

Physicians often think they know everything there possibly is to know. That's kind of annoying too.

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:21

Post #90 of 153 (8867 views)

Wow, I am impressed!

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:32

Post #91 of 153 (8858 views)

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In Reply To:

Anyways this thread took the wrong turn and got too technical, its time for R10C to come back with some other "anecdotal" study, experience or story that will trump all science and entertain at the same time.

Oh no you don't, I need technical and sciency.

?

Peace

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [KL] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:32

Post #92 of 153 (8857 views)

Why can't someone have an opinion about something just because they're not a doctor? Last I check this was a TRIATHLON FORUM, not an AMA medical conference. The idea behind this forum thingy is for people to discuss thoughts and opinions based on their own life experiences. No need to be a doctor to have an opinion, the last I checked. I think you and your ego need to find another place to vent.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [KL] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:41

Post #93 of 153 (8844 views)

well looks like tigerchick is at it again, and this time doing it while making friends with all the docs in the house.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [sufferman] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:49

Post #94 of 153 (8827 views)

for the love of god, can we please get this thread back to sex stories about Pro/Elite Women?

Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [DawnT] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:52

Post #95 of 153 (8821 views)

Wow, one more person with a chip on their shoulder. My point is that sometimes people post on this forum medical advice when they have no background or experience in the field. A recent thread on asthma where the individual was asking for advice from the forum rather than following the instructions of their physician which has the potential to be dangerous. I don't ask for investment advice from a forum. Having been in academic medicine for a number of years, just because a study says something does not mean it is true as there are usually other studies saying the opposite.A classic example 10 years ago was when the thought that the inhaler albuterol use correlated with and increased death rate. The truth was that the more severe your asthma the more likely you are to use that inhaler and those are the people that have a higher mortality. In the end alot of people quit using albuterol that needed it and died because of misinformation from the media.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [dubyakay] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 17:55

Post #96 of 153 (8811 views)

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for the love of god, can we please get this thread back to sex stories about Pro/Elite Women?

damn straight. now someone post some pics! stat.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [tigerchik] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 18:11

Post #97 of 153 (8789 views)

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...Physicians often think they know everything there possibly is to know...

Nah. You're confusing Docs with Engineers. ;)

"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [DawnT] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 18:21

Post #98 of 153 (8772 views)

Doesn't it relate to area of exptertise? An MD's opinion on clincher vs. tubular is no better than mine. But, I would defer to an ortho doctor on treatment options for my broken clavicle.

Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.

Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [KL] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 18:23

Post #99 of 153 (8766 views)

x2
There are also many people who do not fully understand the significance of the statistics in a research paper, glossing over them and skipping straight to the author's interpretation of data and accepting it as "fact" rather than forming their own opinion. Of course you need enough expertise and experience in the subject matter to do that and on forum's like these, I look forward to when a true expert chimes in. Please do so, there are many of us here that appreciate it!

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Re: Do Pro/Ellte Women Have A Sex Drive??? [sufferman] [ In reply to ]

Oct 15, 09 18:28

Post #100 of 153 (9255 views)

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for the love of god, can we please get this thread back to sex stories about Pro/Elite Women?

damn straight. now someone post some pics! stat.

Maybe someone will post one of those pic's of Ficker's butt???

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