ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet

Feb 22, 18 15:30

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Over on the fish thread there is a virtual swim meet going on...all honor system to push youself towards self improvement. This thing is in an early stage of formulation, but for this month, guys are posting times in 50 free, 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 100IM (or 200IM if you are in LCM).

I learned the three strokes outside of free in the last 2 years, and totally suck at back and breast. I can't really fathom how fish athletes go fast in these strokes, but I'm giving it a go.

JasonfromHalifax and Monty are going to be picking the monthly events for us to try. I think it was decided that there won't be any event in this virtual meet that you in a triathlon (so no 800m, which is like a sprint tri, and no 1500m that you do in an olympic). Other than honor system and not using bouys/fins/paddles/floatypants, I don't think there any FINA type rules in place, so it's about self improvement

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...st=last-6553058#last

Feel free to come over to the monthly fish thread and participate. I'm going to use this to improve the events that I suck at. Eventually I'll get back into diving in and flip turns when my back/disc are better (but maybe by then I am biking again)!

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 16:22

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Sounds like fun, but I probably wont have any times until March.

The Caltech pentathlon is a meet held every year which is kind of like that. Its coming up in a little over a week. Its a really fun meet IMO.

You do 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 50 free , 100 IM all short course yards in the same day. They seed every event by time slowest to fastest regardless of age or sex. When all the heats are done for 1 event they start the next event. The meet itself goes pretty fast and there is plenty of time to recover from your previous 50 yard effort before your next heat.

Breastroke is definitely my strength and always has been since I was a child. Thats the only stroke my US masters national ranking was inside the top 100 in my age group last year. I was thrilled with that since I hadn't swam in a swim meet since 1999, and didnt swim for most of the years between then and ~2014.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [j.shanney] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 16:31

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I'm considering that pentathlon myself. I did it many many years ago and it was pretty fun.(Cant seem to find the old results though, think it was 2011 when I was there last) But your 100IM always sucks after doing 4 all out 50's, at least mine did. SO I might be with you doing my first 50's next month, or at least until I can get out of my slow club pool with no lane lines..

And I didn't really say we shouldn't do distance, I think all strokes and distances are welcome. I know we have a guy who just did a 1650 and is going to have another crack at it. If distance is you thing, then go for it, 500SCY, 400m,800m,1000SCY, 1650SCY, 1500m. Hell throw in the 3000 and the hour swim too if you are doing those. I think this is the last month for an official hour swim, so better get that in quick..

So break out those old illegal tech suits and lets go for it!! I'm going to break out an old speedo, been a long time since I raced in one of those...

Found the old results, just had to use google properly I guess;

http://www.spma.net/...ech_Pent_Results.HTM

So 7 years ago I did 26.7free/34 low back/34 mid breast/28.3 fly/ and 106+ 100IM. Just like in college my breast is as fast as my back, ouch!!! Not really trained for it right now, but would be a fun data point to do all those races now at 62...

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 17:38

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How about we use this thread for tracking the meet results, rather than have them buried n different monthly fish threads?

At the end of practice tonight, I was pretty tired but decided to swim a "fast" 50 fly just to see where I was at. I'm calling a mulligan on that one, only managed a 33 flat as I was cramping up a good bit. Will go again next week for real.

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 17:46

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I was pretty tired but decided to swim a "fast" 50 fly just to see where I was at. //

I will just point this out once for everyone to pay attention to, 50 WHAT??? (assume SCM but getting the point out about formats swam)

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 17:50

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Last year I did 29.78 Fly, 32.23 back, 33.67 breast, 25.48 free, and 1:05.36 100 IM at the pentathlon. I did not taper and did a 60+ mile road ride the day before so I did not have fresh legs.

A month later at short course nats with a short taper I did 25.13 50 free, and 1:03.7 100 IM so I will be using those as my seed times for this year.

It will be interesting to see next month how my fitness is this year. Last year was an off year fitness wise for me, and my swim volume hasn't been especially high this year.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 17:51

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monty wrote:

I was pretty tired but decided to swim a "fast" 50 fly just to see where I was at. //

I will just point this out once for everyone to pay attention to, 50 WHAT??? (assume SCM but getting the point out about formats swam)

My bad. 50 fly SCM - 33 flat. But taking a mulligan on that one.

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 18:04

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OK....and just so that people don't get scared off if their times are not fast, we should run some awards for most improved every 3 months or so. This way you can sandbag now and be studly in a few months!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [j.shanney] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 18:06

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Very solid times, what is your division?(AG/M/F)

And yes, doing a long hard ride the day before does not count as a taper...(-;

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 18:17

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And age and genders would be nice to know, if it is not too personal.. And video of the actual race would be even more fun!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 22, 18 18:24

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monty wrote:

Very solid times, what is your division?(AG/M/F)

And yes, doing a long hard ride the day before does not count as a taper...(-;

I'm male and 37 years old so I'm in the 35-39 age group. My times are nowhere near my PR's from high school but they aren't too bad. My current pool swimming goal is sub 1:00 100 IM short course yards.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [j.shanney] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 8:30

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Very solid.

I guess I could re-read but are we doing these from a dive or push?
All I have is SCY pool but peeps should def say what pool they swam in and if they went from a dive.

I was able to push a 27 SCY 50 free and 58s in the 100s this am at workout. Didnt have the gear today to go for a timed swim. Will hit mine next week.

Sub 1min 100IM from a push is crazy legit! good luck

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 8:34

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I don't think we've said if its from a dive or push yet? Mine are gonna all be from a push (no diving permitted during lane swim or in the shallow end at our pool). Given that the competition is basically against yourself, looking for improvement, I don't think it matters? But yeah, I think we should state if we are going from a dive or a push.

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 8:57

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I'll play. At lunch today I did a 50 Breast in 36 low (lets call it 36.2) as well as a 50 fly in 30 high (let's call it 30.8). That's SCM and I dove off the side (not off the blocks). Also self timed so some wiggle room in those times but should be fairly close.

Edit: Male, 43

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 9:38

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OK I think minimum rules when posting anything is

1. State pool say, scm, lcm
2. Dive or push off

On my side in scm, I did a 3:40 in 200IM taking off 12 seconds from last month from wall push. I realize this is slow, but it is fast for me given my starting point as a swimmer. Furthermore I did not do the events in the virtual meet. I may be able to try them on Feb 28. I need to take a few days off from swimming due to a disc cortisone shot and then some easy days. Maybe my forced rest will result in adding a 5 lb layer of bioprene making me more floaty for the Pentathlon. I think I can get to 1:40-1:45 range for the 100 IM. I will put it out there as a personal target.

My strokes pre length in fly are around 11, back 20-22, breast 15, free 22-24.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 9:52

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Couple things, I would like to see ages and genders along with the stats. And also you need to change the name of the thread and take out February. Maybe say winter virtual meet, people will see feb next week and think it is a dead thread.

And people can do whatever events they feel like or are convent at the time, the ones we post up are just suggestions to get the ball rolling...

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 23, 18 9:55

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Good idea, I edited mine for age and gender

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 24, 18 6:06

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monty wrote:

Couple things, I would like to see ages and genders along with the stats. And also you need to change the name of the thread and take out February. Maybe say winter virtual meet, people will see feb next week and think it is a dead thread.

And people can do whatever events they feel like or are convent at the time, the ones we post up are just suggestions to get the ball rolling...

OK, I will change the thread title to "Winter Virtual Swim Meet"! Will add in my age group info!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 24, 18 18:00

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Do actual meet results count in the virtual swim meet? If so put me down for 1:07 in the 100IM, 28.4 for 50 Fly and 26.x for 50 Free (still waiting on official results). These were SCY from dive and I am 32/Male.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [lenny07] [ In reply to ]

Feb 24, 18 18:31

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Hey actual swim meet results are the best, no mothers finger on the watch!! And nice job there, some numbers to be proud of. What meet did you swim?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 24, 18 19:09

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2018 CT Masters Connecticut State Championship at CPCT. Was my first meet in over 5 years, so I was definitely pleased with the results.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 6:25

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Speaking of actual swim meets, one of the local clubs is putting on a swim meet in a week and then the Ontario Master's Championships are 8K from my house in 3 weeks. But I am so slow in back and breast and my strokes (other than fly which looks good) looks so bad due to my leg/back spasm on each stroke, that I'm kind of embarrassed to show up and enter an event with real swimmers. Plus I have never done a swim meet and have not entered a competition of any sort since IM Lake Tahoe 2015. Maybe if I just enter fly events and free events I won't look completely out of place among real proficient swimmers.

Back in the pool today.

Hey to everyone reading, let's not make this thread an ST FTP/bench press/dick swinging contest with only fast people posting times. Otherwise this thread is going to be only filled with people doing 1 min per 100m and then me doing 90-120 seconds per 100m (depending on stroke). Hopefully we get more people around here just trying to improve times. Monty, what about your side kick Empfield who you claim moves backwards when he tries to kick with the flutter board?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 6:35

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Dev, the range of abilities at a masters meet is all over the place. I guarantee you won't look out of place at all. Sure there will be some fasties but you definetely won't be alone. Everyone will be seeded by time so just enter a reasonable seed time and you will swim with others of your speed.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 6:55

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Zenmaster28 wrote:

Dev, the range of abilities at a masters meet is all over the place. I guarantee you won't look out of place at all. Sure there will be some fasties but you definetely won't be alone. Everyone will be seeded by time so just enter a reasonable seed time and you will swim with others of your speed.

Do they generally run you against people your age, or your speed/ability. The latter may be better (although in 50-54, there are more people who are also slow like me, so it might be a wash).

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 7:06

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You'll swim against people with similar seed times regardless of age. At least, that's been my experience. You might have some fast people if there aren't many signing up for your particular race.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 8:06

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devashish_paul wrote:

Zenmaster28 wrote:

Dev, the range of abilities at a masters meet is all over the place. I guarantee you won't look out of place at all. Sure there will be some fasties but you definetely won't be alone. Everyone will be seeded by time so just enter a reasonable seed time and you will swim with others of your speed.

Do they generally run you against people your age, or your speed/ability. The latter may be better (although in 50-54, there are more people who are also slow like me, so it might be a wash).

Most often in masters it's by ability. There have been just 2 meets I've done as a masters swimmer that have been seeded by age. Those were nationals in 2015 (only for 50's and 100's) and worlds in 2014.

Most local meets here mix genders as well, although I think we do separate genders for provincial champs.

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 11:06

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Our meet was similar to what JoelO mentioned. Events were broken down by Gender, heats were based on seed time regardless of Age Group so you were around similar speed swimmers.

Based on my limited experience with Masters, no one looks down on anyone, it's a very supportive and encouraging experience/environment regardless of speed. For example, the 200 Free ranged from a 3:40 all the way down to a 1:45, but everyone was cheered and supported, and it was a great time. It's a great opportunity to get those competitive juices flowing, and who doesn't love that.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 25, 18 13:35

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Okay I'll do all the events over the next couple weeks. I did my sprint tri last weekend so I am semi retired from tri training but I have committed to myself to continue swimming 3-4x a week. I did 3000 yards today and included a broken 100im somewhere near the end 16-18-21-15 for a 1:10. So I think my goal time is a 1:13 or14.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 11:06

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times from this AM.
(without any circumstantial info, like ran 5 miles before and did this in the middle of a set type of stuff...ooops did I just add that??)

50 Fly 30.15
50 Back 34.26

I will do the 100IM and 50 Free on wednesday morning.
I also did try the gopro this am.. but havent checked it to see what it looks like.

No dive
SCY pool
Time started when coach yelled (vs feet leaving wall)

Whew...
Certainly not my best. But all good.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 13:12

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I usually start my swim on the 59 by going under water and in theory I push off right on the 00.

Coming into the wall I turn toward the clock as I coast into the wall. Anything to shave a second or two. Oh and I always round down so if its 30/31 then its a 30.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 13:36

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I'm not going to make any excuses just like you did('nt). But after I did a very hard warm up 2000 set, I proceeded to do 4x(50@1;00/100easy at 2;30) fly/breast/back/free From a push, no lane lines or gutters and just barley catching my breath before each one. Oh ya, swam crazy crooked on back, but no excuses...

50 fly (All SCY) 32
50 breast 39
50 back. 39
50 free 31

62 year old male(well in two days)

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 15:07

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I think both our posts should have been PINKISH in font.. no?

62 eh? wow. Those are great times period. Well done.

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 15:16

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Oooo.. I'm gonna try this tomorrow morning!
One caveat - my hip is really bad, to the point I can't flip turn. Luckily, that's only two strokes that will suffer.

Proud member of FISHTWITCH: doing a bit more than fish exercise now.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 15:20

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Ya pink for sure. I actually may get a chance to get totally legit times for all these next Sunday, still on the fence about doing a pentathlon meet. I have not done a meet in 6 or 7 years, and only just began swimming again a couple months ago. I have been getting in a pretty consistent 5k a week in, and although many here will poo poo that mileage, for an old ex swimmer it is plenty to improve on. Of course it is not ideal, double would be great and put me in a place where I could actually race and not just survive.

But since it has been so long since I stood on blocks, I have a real longing to be there again, even if not optimal. One thing for sure, I can do better than the times I just posted up, so got that going for me... And it would be nice if I could still somehow break 30 for a 50 fly, not sure if that is in the cards anymore at this stage of my life...

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 15:51

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GO FOR IT Monty..
You absolutely can break 30 off the blocks!

UNLIKE you i have done meets over the past 6 to 7 years and have taken a year off or so, to really get back to the swim. I missed it. Its hard to see the times just tumble year after year. But its great to be back at the pool more and see a set like 8 x 100 on 1:20 and not flinch and actually strategize. Im sure the blocks thing will come back after a couple. NO PROBLEM.

I wish I were in cali to do it! I think next up for me might be the masters meet at Harvard (new england champs) but im locking myself into the Bermuda Four Corner Challenge this year. April. Got a nice group going. You should join. Event is total badass. Read the q&a for a good laugh. Its kinda like how tri used to be! Where its like: here is the course. Here is the day we do it. Show up and do it, or dont. Your choice. Shit might get crazy, but thats why we are here. Oh and if you want us to make a 40lb log for you to pull for 8 miles, we will give you some sort of recognition.

Love to have you come join us. Im uh... def NOT doing the log thing. fwiw

daved

http://www.bows.bm

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 16:36

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After XC running race hopped in pool:
50 fly: 47s
50 free: 39s

It's a start marker . Dive, no flip turn

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [HalfSpeed] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 17:09

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Oooo.. I'm gonna try this tomorrow morning! //

Go for it Steve!! The way I did it there was not a ton of rest between these 4 max efforts. I was doing about a 1;28 for my easy free 100's, so basically one minute of real rest. I see that you have entered the meet this Sunday, looks like some pretty fast dudes in that 60-64 division too. That meet has always been tough, was tough when I was 55, and hasn't gotten any easier 7 years later it looks like. At what age do we just get to show up and podium??? (-;

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [synthetic] [ In reply to ]

Feb 26, 18 18:14

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After XC running race hopped in pool:
50 fly: 47s
50 free: 39s //

Here you go dev, and you can even do the XC ski race before too!! Better hurry though, sounds like this guy/girl? is going to crush these times and put them to bed soon...

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 5:18

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monty wrote:

After XC running race hopped in pool:
50 fly: 47s
50 free: 39s //

Here you go dev, and you can even do the XC ski race before too!! Better hurry though, sounds like this guy/girl? is going to crush these times and put them to bed soon...

Thanks guys for all this participation. I think I need to refrain from turning on a clock yet,as I just had a cortisone injection in my disc on 22 Feb. I have been back in the pool 2 days and just gone at moderate paces, nothing nuts. I did notice more strength in both legs while using fins and dolphin kicking under water. This is a positive sign, and it is between 2-7 days that the injection starts having first effects, so I think I need to let this time frame expire before turning on the clock.

Congrats to Synthetic for the times and hopping into this thread. At least there is one other person in a similar range.

Dev

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 8:13

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Okay, I did my 50s and... I suck!
Well, I have excuses, too... tough marathon on Saturday, tough swim workout yesterday and kinda tough leadup to doing these 50s...

500s
800 IM kwf
5x100IM@2:00 1:25/:25/:24/:24/:22
4x50@1:00 IM order Fly :40/ Back :44/ Breast :40/ Free (open turn) :33
100 cool

Proud member of FISHTWITCH: doing a bit more than fish exercise now.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [HalfSpeed] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 8:52

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Actually Steve it was not that bad, as you really did a broken 200IM and not really all out 50's. 2;37 broken IM is pretty solid, I think if you had done it like I did with an easy 100 in-between it would have gone a lot faster..

At any rate you have put down your sandbagged numbers, expect you will get most improved now...(-;

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 9:49

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Great idea here Dev and Monty. Cool little challenge and not overkill either with any distances too bonkers like a 400 IM or 200 FLY! Gave it a go this morning at the end of a session. Did an EZ 50 in between each "all out" effort.

100 IM: 1:13
50 FLY: 31 secs
50 BACK: 33 secs
50 BREAST: 40 secs
50 FREE: 26 secs

Oh, BTW, I would have DQ'd in both FLY and BREAST cause I've gotten into a nasty habbit of only touching with one hand on the walls.

Lars Finanger
Odyssey SwimRun

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [VALHALLA] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 11:19

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MOP Swimmer, FOP Triathlete. Male 35 adult onset swimmer.

50 fly (All SCY) 35
50 breast 47
50 back. 39
50 free 32
100 IM 1:24

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [VALHALLA] [ In reply to ]

Feb 27, 18 20:42

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VALHALLA wrote:

Great idea here Dev and Monty. Cool little challenge and not overkill either with any distances too bonkers like a 400 IM or 200 FLY! Gave it a go this morning at the end of a session. Did an EZ 50 in between each "all out" effort.

100 IM: 1:13
50 FLY: 31 secs
50 BACK: 33 secs
50 BREAST: 40 secs
50 FREE: 26 secs

Oh, BTW, I would have DQ'd in both FLY and BREAST cause I've gotten into a nasty habbit of only touching with one hand on the walls.

What are you talking about. 200 fly and 400 IM LCM are coming later this month and you have to do them during the same swim session. Monty's just getting you guys warmed up!!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 4:30

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Threw in a 100 IM to my swim this morning. SCM from a push - 1:14. Considering I went 1:11 in a meet, off the blocks and in a tech suit in November, I'm pretty happy with that.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:16

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So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:24

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devashish_paul wrote:

So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

5min is pretty serious speed.

Coincidentally, I did a 100IM in the middle of practice yesterday.

Main set:

3x (
2 x 75 build to sprint on 1:30
50 ez
4 x 25 @ 40 flat out
50 ez
100 fast - neg split
50 ez
)
rounds 1 and 3 were free, round 2 IM. 1:19 for 100 IM (dunno if it was actually a neg split, but I did build the effort through the swim)

(SCM, 47 male)

But the big accomplishment was that I ran a tempo 5k at lunchtime yesterday, and then made it through the whole swim practice without the slightest hint of a cramp. ;-)

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:31

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

5min is pretty serious speed.

Coincidentally, I did a 100IM in the middle of practice yesterday.

Main set:

3x (
2 x 75 build to sprint on 1:30
50 ez
4 x 25 @ 40 flat out
50 ez
100 fast - neg split
50 ez
)
rounds 1 and 3 were free, round 2 IM. 1:19 for 100 IM (dunno if it was actually a neg split, but I did build the effort through the swim)

(SCM, 47 male)

But the big accomplishment was that I ran a tempo 5k at lunchtime yesterday, and then made it through the whole swim practice without the slightest hint of a cramp. ;-)

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:31

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devashish_paul wrote:

So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

Hell no! That same meet where I went 1:11 for the 100IM, I also went 2:41 for the 200IM. I don't know what a 400 time would be but it would be ugly for sure.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:35

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devashish_paul wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

5min is pretty serious speed.

Coincidentally, I did a 100IM in the middle of practice yesterday.

Main set:

3x (
2 x 75 build to sprint on 1:30
50 ez
4 x 25 @ 40 flat out
50 ez
100 fast - neg split
50 ez
)
rounds 1 and 3 were free, round 2 IM. 1:19 for 100 IM (dunno if it was actually a neg split, but I did build the effort through the swim)

(SCM, 47 male)

But the big accomplishment was that I ran a tempo 5k at lunchtime yesterday, and then made it through the whole swim practice without the slightest hint of a cramp. ;-)

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

I wouldn't even begin to guess, they are completely different beasts. But 4x plus 20-30 secs is way too aggressive.

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:37

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On the cramping I am increasingly convinced that it has more to so with lumbar spine/glutes/hamstrings than actual calves. My N=1 data point is each time I had a cortisone injection for my disk I had a week of crazy calf cramps on both legs and they go away after around 1 week which is the approx time for the foreign substance to get absorbed by your body and shrink the inflammation around the nerve roots. Right now, I am a living calf cramp!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:39

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Not only are those great times.. but not cramping! well played.

I will go for the 50 free and 100 free this am.
Coming off track yesterday and a follow up run with a bike (hard to pass up this weather in boston)

If I can do a 100IM i will.. not sure adductor is gonna let me.

dave

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:42

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Zenmaster28 wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

So target 5 min for the 400IM when it goes up later in the swim meet and you are fitter? or 5:15?

Hell no! That same meet where I went 1:11 for the 100IM, I also went 2:41 for the 200IM. I don't know what a 400 time would be but it would be ugly for sure.

Mike (on our squad) was a 1:06 ish 100IM and he was right around the 5min mark at nationals couple of years back.

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:42

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

I wouldn't even begin to guess, they are completely different beasts. But 4x plus 20-30 secs is way too aggressive.

Completely agree. That said, the world records (according to wikipedia) (SCM) for 100IM is 50.3 and the 400IM 3:55. 50.3 * 4 = 3:21. So that's only +34s. Of course those guys are complete animals. :)

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:49

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daved wrote:

Not only are those great times.. but not cramping! well played.

I will go for the 50 free and 100 free this am.
Coming off track yesterday and a follow up run with a bike (hard to pass up this weather in boston)

If I can do a 100IM i will.. not sure adductor is gonna let me.

dave

I think that we should allow breaststroke with dolphin kick, for those of us with gimpy legs and knees. (I was in this category for years, but breast kick doesn't bother my knees anymore. I'm slow at it though, although my 100IM was with proper breast kick.)

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:50

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Zenmaster28 wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

I wouldn't even begin to guess, they are completely different beasts. But 4x plus 20-30 secs is way too aggressive.

Completely agree. That said, the world records (according to wikipedia) (SCM) for 100IM is 50.3 and the 400IM 3:55. 50.3 * 4 = 3:21. So that's only +34s. Of course those guys are complete animals. :)

I was going 100IM to 400IM but going with Phelps' 4:03, but that's confusing SCM and LCM. So maybe 45 seconds from 100 SCM to 400 LCM for a pro, so depending on the ability this will stretch to 60 seconds or 75 seconds (slower swimmer will have more delta)?

You see where I am going with this....after everyone posts their 100m IM time, and I brow beat Monty to make you guys suffer it out on the 400IM, we can see who slowed down the most relative to 100 IM. I will post my times next week as I am just getting through some recovery from a recent cortisone shot last week and don't want to overcook myself going too hard yet.

Dev

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 5:52

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devashish_paul wrote:

Zenmaster28 wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

I wouldn't even begin to guess, they are completely different beasts. But 4x plus 20-30 secs is way too aggressive.

Completely agree. That said, the world records (according to wikipedia) (SCM) for 100IM is 50.3 and the 400IM 3:55. 50.3 * 4 = 3:21. So that's only +34s. Of course those guys are complete animals. :)

I was going 100IM to 400IM but going with Phelps' 4:03, but that's confusing SCM and LCM. So maybe 45 seconds from 100 SCM to 400 LCM for a pro, so depending on the ability this will stretch to 60 seconds or 75 seconds (slower swimmer will have more delta)?

You see where I am going with this....after everyone posts their 100m IM time, and I brow beat Monty to make you guys suffer it out on the 400IM, we can see who slowed down the most relative to 100 IM. I will post my times next week as I am just getting through some recovery from a recent cortisone shot last week and don't want to overcook myself going too hard yet.

Dev

How much are you paying me to swim the 400IM?

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 6:42

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

Zenmaster28 wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what's the generally accepted mapping from 100 IM to 400IM...4x plus 20-30 seconds seem reasonable?

I wouldn't even begin to guess, they are completely different beasts. But 4x plus 20-30 secs is way too aggressive.

Completely agree. That said, the world records (according to wikipedia) (SCM) for 100IM is 50.3 and the 400IM 3:55. 50.3 * 4 = 3:21. So that's only +34s. Of course those guys are complete animals. :)

I was going 100IM to 400IM but going with Phelps' 4:03, but that's confusing SCM and LCM. So maybe 45 seconds from 100 SCM to 400 LCM for a pro, so depending on the ability this will stretch to 60 seconds or 75 seconds (slower swimmer will have more delta)?

You see where I am going with this....after everyone posts their 100m IM time, and I brow beat Monty to make you guys suffer it out on the 400IM, we can see who slowed down the most relative to 100 IM. I will post my times next week as I am just getting through some recovery from a recent cortisone shot last week and don't want to overcook myself going too hard yet.

Dev

How much are you paying me to swim the 400IM?

LOL...you are talking to the wrong guy about paying people. For 9 months i have not collected a paycheque and been investing into my renewable energy AI startup (http://www.bluwave-ai.com). Amazingly I have 6 people working for me right now on zero pay (they are investing their time to build this company and I think we have a solid shot).

In any case, in every swim, I am adding a 400IM training leg as alternating lengths hard and easy in each stroke. I figure the only way I get through this "event" is to actually get comfortable mentally with the entire thing and gradually improve my technique and ratchet up the intensity. This one comes from an old running workout where we would do 1600m at the end of each workout at the track sprinting 100m and cruising 100m. It's a fun segment at the track so trying that at the pool. I know this is totally non standard swimmer stuff, but hey, Daniel's stole his mile cruise intervals from swimmers doing 400m repeats (my mind would go number doing 400's in the water, but it does not go numb doing 1600m repeats at the track).

OK, maybe I should try a moderately 100m IM today and just post a time and then come back a few days later and go really hard....I suspect there is barely a 2-4 second delta between moderate hard and all out of me. Sadly, this viscous medium called water is unforgiving of all that wasted non streamlined water wall pushing!!!!

Finally, I was eyeing that Bermuda swimming pool at Slowman's swim camp in Bermuda. I have not take a vacation since 2015 70.3 Worlds in Austria (literally, I have taken 3 long weekend vacation days since then....long story about leaving a company, next one going out of biz, and then starting my own). So was toying with a 5 days for a swim camp in Bermuda....flight from Toronto is easy.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 10:36

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Last day of Feb so I was able to sneak in a 100IM and a 50FR this am at practice.

These are Yard times from a push .. and generally within the context of the workout, so as to not disrupt too much.

100IM 1:10.46
50 FR 26.57

And whoa was I on the verge of some serious charlie horses in both calves....

I missed the 50brst and 100fr this month. Sorry guys.

So is it the same for next month?
dave

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 11:26

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These are from a masters meet I did on the weekend.
50 fr - 27.05 SCM
50 bk - 33.4
50 fly - don't have exact time (it was relay and i don't have official splits) but team mates said about 30 sec
100 fr -57.4
100 fr - 2.06.x (blew up at 125.. went out in a 59.mid :S)

swimswam converter is
50 fr - 24.36
50 bk - 29.76
50 fly - who knows..
100 fr - 51.36
200 fr - 1.53.5 or so
overall felt ok for the meet, was expecting to be faster for the 200 fr, but didn't have it together. Need to do more broken 200s.. interestingly did a workout on the monday - 100 hard (10sec) 100, 200 ez, 50 (10 sec) 100 (10 sec) 50, 200 ez, and then 50(10) 50(10) 50(10) 50 which totalled 2.06 so thats clearly a reasonable predictor set for me..

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 15:00

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I posted a 100IM time today not going all out, but frankly I don't think if I went all out I'd be more than 2 seconds faster.

Final time 100 IM 1:45 SCM from a wall push

At the end of the workout after 1.5 hours of swimming various sets I did a 100 fly from a wall push SCM and only did a 1:41.

As I said, I am holding back a bit since I only had a cortisone injection on 22 Feb. I want to have some time for my body to settle down which in the past was after 14 days.

I think I can take the 100 IM down close to 1:40. My 200 IM this month was 3:40. I think this can get closer to 3:35 next month. The 100 fly was not indicative of what I can do. I logged a 1:32 earlier in the month. I was a bit cooked by end of workout. I'll post 50 fly, back, breast and free times next month from wall push, SCM.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 15:39

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scy, push, m57

50 free 29
50 breast 44
50 back 43
50 fly 45 aargh

400 easy
6x100IM fastest 1:38 slowest 1:42
5x50 on 50
200 easy

probably should try a standalone 100IM, think sub-1:30 might be doable..

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [doug in co] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 16:35

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Swim pentathalon is about all I train for anymore. About 15 months ago I did this...
All from a dive over the course of two days. I shaved and used a competition suit too. M50.

50 fly: 26.00
50 bk: no time
50 br: 30.10
50 fr: 24.58
100im: 1:00.57
200im: 2:14.50

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 16:51

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Monty; you motivated me to replicate your set - less the 2k before.
Results as follows:

27 Fly
31 Back
36 Breast
28 Free (totally gassed after the breast effort, 2nd 25 was ugly)

SCY
From a push
Times off the pace clock
42 y/o male

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [VALHALLA] [ In reply to ]

Feb 28, 18 17:14

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Great times, Lars!

Proud member of FISHTWITCH: doing a bit more than fish exercise now.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [dayvic] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 4:03

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LEGIT!
wow, nice work!

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 4:33

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Dev,
You referencing the april 28 itu race thing as the ST swim-cation?
I looked around the site (prob not as thoroughly as I should have) ...

If so, I will be there, as reported to Monty, the week before doing the fair or foul Four Corners Challenges
http://www.bows.bm

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 5:17

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daved wrote:

Dev,
You referencing the april 28 itu race thing as the ST swim-cation?
I looked around the site (prob not as thoroughly as I should have) ...

If so, I will be there, as reported to Monty, the week before doing the fair or foul Four Corners Challenges
http://www.bows.bm

daved

So am I reading this correct?

https://www.bows.bm/...7/11/28/four-corners

Back to back 4 mile swim races on 21 and 22 April? Let me ask my wife about this. I actually have not taken a vacation since 70.3 Worlds in Austria in 2015 (only taken 2 long weekends off in 2.5 years first in rehab, then starting my own company etc) so I am due for something fun. My daily swim is 2.5 to 3 miles anyway. Maybe I can add the 200 Fly and 400 IM from the Bermuda 50m pool as part of the ST Spring virtual swim meet if Monty approves those events.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [HalfSpeed] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 7:16

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thanks amigo. last year swam endless circles chasing our local pool's 500-mile challenge. put in longer yards than i ever had before but didn't improve much. my motivation this year has been to cut back on the yards and integrate more non-free strokes into workouts. my breaststroke is abysmal but seeing some solid improvements in fly, back and IM as a whole.

really appreciate Dev and Monty adding some fuel to this fire and spurring on this friendly banter!

Lars Finanger
Odyssey SwimRun

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 9:30

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Yeah Dev...
your reading skills have not left you yet! Well done.

Yeah I think there is a group of about 5 of us from boston area that I swim/coach/run/bike/drink/eat with.. that are making the journey down.
No one is doing the log thing.

My wife is preggers and and such, prob wont be able to make the trip so I think ill be a quick in and out. But i guess we will find that out soon enough.

absolutely love to have you come. Grotto bay has a nice rate and I have stayed at Elbow Beach previously for the swim 'round the sound... 18months ago now?

Anyways, keep me posted. Is the slowman thing at a different time?
From boston and Toronto it is an easy flight. 90 min from bean town.

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 10:03

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Added a 50 back to my list at lunch today with a low 36 - god I hate that stroke.

So I've done:
50 fly - :30
50 back - :36
50 breast - :36
100 IM - 1:14

All SCM - M43

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [SH] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 14:49

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About 15 months ago I did this... //

But what have you done for me lately?? Anything keeping you out of the pool at the moment where you can't do some impromptu 50's for time?? If I got to use my wavy no lane line club pool with push offs, you can at least give it a go at your cushy, smooth water pool...(-; Nice times though, you were 50 when you did them?? Maybe time for another masters nationals, in Indy this year..

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 15:38

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monty wrote:

About 15 months ago I did this... //

But what have you done for me lately?? Anything keeping you out of the pool at the moment where you can't do some impromptu 50's for time?? If I got to use my wavy no lane line club pool with push offs, you can at least give it a go at your cushy, smooth water pool...(-; Nice times though, you were 50 when you did them?? Maybe time for another masters nationals, in Indy this year..

The plan is to go to Indy this year. I have a meet coming up 3/24 if you can wait for those times. =) It's SCY.
I was 50 at that other meet. I was real happy with how I did so I got complacent and out of shape afterwards. Trying to get back at it while fighting some low back stuff. Hopefully I've got the will power to stick to it.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 1, 18 19:19

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monty wrote:

I'm not going to make any excuses just like you did('nt). But after I did a very hard warm up 2000 set, I proceeded to do 4x(50@1;00/100easy at 2;30) fly/breast/back/free From a push, no lane lines or gutters and just barley catching my breath before each one. Oh ya, swam crazy crooked on back, but no excuses...

50 fly (All SCY) 32
50 breast 39
50 back. 39
50 free 31

62 year old male(well in two days)

No excuses from me. I mean, I ran 9k at lunch (3x8 min intervals at roughly 10k pace with 2 mins jogging recovery after a 10 min warmup with strides and a few strides at the end. But no excuses.

Final set of practice was 12x50 @:60, every 3rd one fast, so I did the fast ones in IM order.

50 fly - 32
50 back - 38
50 breast - 47
50 free - 32

<for monty - SCM M47>

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 2, 18 5:07

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

monty wrote:

I'm not going to make any excuses just like you did('nt). But after I did a very hard warm up 2000 set, I proceeded to do 4x(50@1;00/100easy at 2;30) fly/breast/back/free From a push, no lane lines or gutters and just barley catching my breath before each one. Oh ya, swam crazy crooked on back, but no excuses...

50 fly (All SCY) 32
50 breast 39
50 back. 39
50 free 31

62 year old male(well in two days)

No excuses from me. I mean, I ran 9k at lunch (3x8 min intervals at roughly 10k pace with 2 mins jogging recovery after a 10 min warmup with strides and a few strides at the end. But no excuses.

Final set of practice was 12x50 @:60, every 3rd one fast, so I did the fast ones in IM order.

50 fly - 32
50 back - 38
50 breast - 47
50 free - 32

Jason, I will go and try to do the same next week and try to do them around 10-13 seconds slower per stroke style. Based on those times you posted, does that ability in earch turn into a sub 2:40 200 IM SCM?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 2, 18 5:13

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Should do. I haven't swum the 2IM in a while, but last time I did it I was a 2:36 or 37 (unshaved SCM) and a 2:36 (I think) LCM shaved at '14 Worlds.

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 2, 18 14:59

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This thread inspired me to see what I could do today:

1.25mile run to the pool, then after 1200 yards warmup:

100 free - 56.3
100 IM - 106.4 (first time I have done actual breaststroke kick in years, my knees do not like it)
50 fly - 28.2
50 free - 26.1

about 2 min between each

all SCY, no cap, from a push, times from my Garmin watch manually started and stopped on each (not an optimal way to finish, basically forces a 2 hand touch at the end), standard training jammer. Divsion: M37.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Optimal_Adrian] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 8:04

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Very impressive. That means you were def faster!
well done.
Those first few breast kicks always are a wake up call to being 43 years old

how old are you?
daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 9:03

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all SCY, no cap, from a push, times from my Garmin watch manually started and stopped on each (not an optimal way to finish, basically forces a 2 hand touch at the end), standard training jammer. Divsion: M37.///

He gave a nice detailed account of the swims at the end, just what I like to see.. Very nice workout swims too, double handed finishes and all!!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:05

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Agreed
Time to up our game??!
Nah
Time to brag about how fast we WERE!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:22

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Brought my kid up the mountain and drove the hour with dan to the sat lap swim. Wasn't sure if I was feeling it, but since this was going to be the only time I get to actually swim in a pool with lane lines and a starting block, figured I better put up some numbers regardless.

Did a good 1k warm up set then did my 4x50s preceded by a 200p@4;00. Just enough to catch my breath and dissipate some lactate, although the 200's were all 2;37 to 2;39, so not that easy.

50 Fly(all SCY) 29.7
50 Back from blocks 39, then when it was all over had dan time me from a push in 36.55
50 Breast 37.5
50 Free. 28.03

When I did the first back from the blocks I quickly remembered 7 years earlier when I did that in a meet and did a horrendous back flop, no legs in the water to dolphin, and basically doing a water polo start. I got dan to time me from a push, as I then recalled that same mistake 7 years earlier. Amazing that I took off 2.5 seconds by doing that, go figure..

Pretty happy my fly broke 30 and was very surprised at the 28 flat for free, I was a bit gassed by then. No fuel left for a 100 IM, but looking at the times it should be sub 1;10 I would guess.

Not going to make it to the real pentathlon meet tomorrow, so it will be fun to extrapolate from these swims how I would have done. Figure 1/2 to maybe 1 second per 50 with a proper race suit and a lot more rest.

All swims in old work out jammers, from the blocks(except back of course) hand timed by Slowman himself. Male 62 (for real now too!)

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:31

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Interesting observation about the start of the 50 back. I did a 50 back at a meet in October - race suit and properly warmed up and rested and managed a 35 something. Thursday I did a 36 something from a push in training gear after a tough'ish workout. Perhaps I suffer from the same issue using the blocks. I never train a proper start so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:36

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monty wrote:

Brought my kid up the mountain and drove the hour with dan to the sat lap swim. Wasn't sure if I was feeling it, but since this was going to be the only time I get to actually swim in a pool with lane lines and a starting block, figured I better put up some numbers regardless.

Did a good 1k warm up set then did my 4x50s preceded by a 200p@4;00. Just enough to catch my breath and dissipate some lactate, although the 200's were all 2;37 to 2;39, so not that easy.

50 Fly(all SCY) 29.7
50 Back from blocks 39, then when it was all over had dan time me from a push in 36.55
50 Breast 37.5
50 Free. 28.03

When I did the first back from the blocks I quickly remembered 7 years earlier when I did that in a meet and did a horrendous back flop, no legs in the water to dolphin, and basically doing a water polo start. I got dan to time me from a push, as I then recalled that same mistake 7 years earlier. Amazing that I took off 2.5 seconds by doing that, go figure..

Pretty happy my fly broke 30 and was very surprised at the 28 flat for free, I was a bit gassed by then. No fuel left for a 100 IM, but looking at the times it should be sub 1;10 I would guess.

Not going to make it to the real pentathlon meet tomorrow, so it will be fun to extrapolate from these swims how I would have done. Figure 1/2 to maybe 1 second per 50 with a proper race suit and a lot more rest.

All swims in old work out jammers, from the blocks(except back of course) hand timed by Slowman himself. Male 62 (for real now too!)

OK OK...congrats on your awesome swim, but when is Slowman posting his times? can you go beat up on him to join in?

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:41

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Interesting observation about the start of the 50 back. /////

Ya, I recalled at that meet I did 7 years ago that a lot of the older guys and gals were doing in water starts. I thought to myself what a bunch of dorks, giving up free time!! Boy was I wrong, and until today did not know how wrong. From the push you get a nice streamline and I get 4 or 5 really good underwater dolphins, with a good breakout. With the block start I back flop, struggle to get my legs in the water for 3 weak dolphins and no real breakout.

I will never make that mistake again. Of course I was never a backstroker so I never mastered or even practiced that start. And even if I did, it of course has all changed from my swim days to an unrecognized start in comparison. I suppose I could spend a lot of time and energy, and perhaps maybe I could do a good enough start to beat my push off, but probably just get some injury I never heard of, in a muscle I never knew I even had...

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:46

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OK OK...congrats on your awesome swim, but when is Slowman posting his times? can you go beat up on him to join in? //

I did badger him to get up and swim at least a 50 free, but no go. But he did agree to do a push off 200 if I paced him in the next lane. So this was at the end of his workout of 6x200's@3;10(3;00 to 3;05) and some warm up stuff

200SCY free from a push with workout jammers 2;51(1;24+/1;26+)
61 year old man, AOS(well kind of if you don't count JR. lifeguards) His goal was 2;55, so we picked off that one and put up a decent # for him..

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 16:51

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monty wrote:

OK OK...congrats on your awesome swim, but when is Slowman posting his times? can you go beat up on him to join in? //

I did badger him to get up and swim at least a 50 free, but no go. But he did agree to do a push off 200 if I paced him in the next lane. So this was at the end of his workout of 6x200's@3;10(3;00 to 3;05) and some warm up stuff

200SCY free from a push with workout jammers 2;51(1;24+/1;26+)
62 year old man, AOS(well kind of if you don't count JR. lifeguards) His goal was 2;55, so we picked off that one and put up a decent # for him..

This is a start....shame him into the other strokes next time!!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 3, 18 19:19

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Did 8x100s @ 1:35 and 8x 100s 50 kick 25 build 25 ez IM order by 100 on 2:00 for warm up
Took a short rest and then
Scy. 50 fly 31
50 back 35
100IM 1:15

Did these on 2 minutes rest with a 50ez in between
From a push , no cap in a poly jammer 51M

I usually do an open turn for backstroke in practice but I hit a decent flip and underwater so I think that saved it. The IM I will try again when I do the breast /free 50s

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 18 6:08

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WHAT?!??
First off. Happy birthday.
Second. Hate say I told ya so, but... well. I told ya so! Broke 30 for the fly! That’s awesome. Too bad slowman didn’t have cajones to post some times but you and Dev can work on him.
Super swims monty. And that backstroke start stuff is for the birds. Never mastered it either. The stroke or the start. I mean. I did coach and work w gold medalist and world record holders in backstroke ... but personally can’t seem to get the body to do what the mind knows it should. Motivation is lacking too.
Anyways. Great swims!! Great job getting it done and fun to see all the activity on this thread. It’s good for Tri

Daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 4, 18 7:03

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daved wrote:

WHAT?!??
First off. Happy birthday.
Second. Hate say I told ya so, but... well. I told ya so! Broke 30 for the fly! That’s awesome. Too bad slowman didn’t have cajones to post some times but you and Dev can work on him.
Super swims monty. And that backstroke start stuff is for the birds. Never mastered it either. The stroke or the start. I mean. I did coach and work w gold medalist and world record holders in backstroke ... but personally can’t seem to get the body to do what the mind knows it should. Motivation is lacking too.
Anyways. Great swims!! Great job getting it done and fun to see all the activity on this thread. It’s good for Tri

Daved

Yeah, the day I have beers with Lochte and Phelps this will be my excuse. I can watch youtube till I am blue in the face, coaches can beat my head with a sledgehammer and my body will not do what my brain tells it to do. I believe your quote above should go into forum rules.

As for slowman posting times, Monty, maybe we can add a 25m kickboard sprint next month into this. If Slowman joins that, I just may not be last place at something!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 11:53

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Tell Slowman that I have some really slow times that he can beat and relegate me to last place in this swim meet.

OK, these are not authorized events in the swim meet YET, but today I decided to "race" the 200 Butterfly, 200 IM and 400 IM in a single session....all short course meters with wall push off Male 52 years old.

1000m warmup and then 5x200m and 2 x 400m

first 200m easing in at 50 fly-25 back-25 breast-100 free
second 200m tempo 200 IM.

Then timed 200 Fly = 3:31

Went out at 1:43 for first 100m and positive split with a 1:48 second half

200 IM easy

Then 200IM timed = 3:40...my breast stroke sucks!!!!

100 free recovery

Then 400 IM timed = 7:37

...my back and breast stroke legs were pretty well the same speed as during 200IM :-(. On a plus note my fade vs 200IM was "only" 17 seconds. This is what happens when you have some strokes that are just limited by technical and not cardio

Closed workout off with 400m 50fly-50free times 4 steady

I am just posting these times for when Monty formally announces these events in the "meet" and then I will come back and do them again, hopefully faster.

I will do the standalone 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 50 free this week now that I can swim hard again. Clearly I have to bring down my back and breast times and the only way to do them faster in an IM is faster standalone!!!

Dev

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 11:55

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A 5 sec fade for your 200 fly is pretty good. No-one negative splits that race.

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 12:03

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"Then times 200 Fly = 3:31"

That's 3:31 faster than I can fly. Fly is the one stroke I never learned, it's on my things to do list though!

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Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 12:08

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

A 5 sec fade for your 200 fly is pretty good. No-one negative splits that race.

I believe more than half of my fade was slower turns gasping for additional air in the final 4 turns! In any case, that is the first time in my life I did 200 fly and 400 IM timed, so this is the starting point to improve from.

Now I have to focus on the required events in the virtual swim meet and that is going to be what gets my 200IM and 400IM times down....if I can't do stuff fast (for me) standalone, there is no chance when you combine and are dying for oxygen.

In any case, I really enjoyed this.

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 12:50

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Feels like youre manipulating Monty into some events that only you are going to do!
Dont give in monty.. please.
Actually I would rather do ALL of those events, than one 200bk for time.
--DAMN YOU BACKSTROKE!

Good work Dev.
Tomorrow is IM day so maybe ill post another time.
then again.. maybe i wont

daved

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [daved] [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 13:20

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daved wrote:

Feels like youre manipulating Monty into some events that only you are going to do!
Dont give in monty.. please.
Actually I would rather do ALL of those events, than one 200bk for time.
--DAMN YOU BACKSTROKE!

Good work Dev.
Tomorrow is IM day so maybe ill post another time.
then again.. maybe i wont

daved

I am putting out some really slow times to manipulate the future event selection to bait Monty so that all of you guys can destroy those times. In the mean time, I better get on the "required events" and stop making excuses and post times for the required events!!!

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [ In reply to ]

Mar 6, 18 13:28

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I swam in the Cal Tech pentathlon on Sunday. Short course yards from the blocks. 37 Year old Male.

I was slightly slower than last year across the board.

50 Fly : 30.25
50 Back: 32.43
50 Breast: 33.61
50 Free: 26.02
100 IM: 1:05.18

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 7, 18 16:00

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Male, age 48/9, all swims SCY

February Sanctioned Meet (swims off the blocks, with reaction times)
50 free :26.27
50 fly :29.18
I really thought that 50 free time would be faster. Same meet, I was 27.2 to the feet to open a 100 free, and had enough gas to bring it home in 29.1 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Solo workout today (swim from a wall start, no reaction time; shortly after a 10x50 fly set)
100 IM 1:12.80
As I rarely practice IM, all 3 turns were predictably atrocious.

I'll pick up the 50 breastroke and 50 backstroke in the next week. My back is awful; probably won't be any faster than the breast

"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 7, 18 17:04

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2 weeks out from my next meet...

Alberta Masters Championships
day 1
100 Fly
200 IM
100 Free

Day 2
800 Free
200 Back
200 Fly

Nationals program ...
max 7 events
Day 1
100 Fly
200 IM
800 Free

Day 2
400 Free
either 50 Fly or 200 Back

Day 3
200 Fly
1500 Free

would love to do 400 IM but that would make Day 3 suck. I am thinking if I get a good time at provincials in 2 Back then 50 Fly makes sense...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 8, 18 0:59

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200 fly, 400 IM and 1500 free in a single day is the stuff nightmares are made of! My first thought was to ask why they would schedule those 3 on the same day but I'm sure they thought something like "nobody does all 3 of those...". Except for Bo that is. ;)

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [Gonefishin5555] [ In reply to ]

Mar 8, 18 9:40

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today after 1600yd warmup.

29 free
39 breast
I scratched the 100Im I had to get to work.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Mar 8, 18 13:22

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my old coach (14-16) is the meet manager LOL

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 8, 18 16:44

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would love to do 400 IM but that would make Day 3 suck. //

In our big masters meets they have a special day 1 just for the 3 distance events(1000/1650/400IM), so you could actually do the 400IM and the mile. There were be a lot of time in-between to recover from those long heats in each. I once did the 400IM and 1000, really a great warm up getting either in first.

Good luck on your swims, what AG you in now? And what are your goal times, predicted and out of the park swimming? And did you do the hour swim again this year, as I recall you did quite well last year?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 9, 18 20:11

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2nd year in 40-44. Skipped the hour this year. With nationals being a home meet I am training pretty hard. Some tough races in January but based on my times in training I am on the right track.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 9, 18 20:17

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Goals are to be faster than 2017.

100 Fly 1:00.40 ( 58.9 late 2016).
200 Fly 2:13.59
200 IM 2:14.78
400 Free 4:14.62
800 Free 8:55 / split in 1500
1500 Free 16:58.90

200 Back 2:19.9 in 2015
100 Free 56.83

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 8:23

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51 years old, AOS but grew up in pools and lakes. Swam my first swim meet ever last Saturday.

50 Free (Relay) - 31.9 - Very late of the blocks.
100 Free - 1:08.14 (32/36) - Open turns, played it a bit safe and could have gone harder.
500 Free - 7:22 (1:25/1:30/1:30/1:30/1:30/1:28) - Played it very very safe. Happy.
200 Free - 2:35.85 (34/39/40/42) - Went out fast and died hard. New goal is to go under 2:30
100 Breast - 1:25 (40/45) [/font]- [/font]Want to try this again - can improve several aspects.
50 Free - 31.41 - Open Turn. No power. Fatigued
50 Breast - 37 (17/20) - Fun
50 Free (Relay) - 31.09 - Better start

Happy with the results. 3 hour drive to the meet. Was not really prepared for the sitting around between events.

I've watched video of my swims. I have a poor dive. It's bad even when compared to other masters.

I was actually very happy with my relatively slow 500. I swam it exactly as I planned.

I really want to do a 200 Breast. And, yes, I've been warned how hard 200 Breast can be.

DK

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 11:32

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monty wrote:

would love to do 400 IM but that would make Day 3 suck. //

In our big masters meets they have a special day 1 just for the 3 distance events(1000/1650/400IM), so you could actually do the 400IM and the mile. There were be a lot of time in-between to recover from those long heats in each. I once did the 400IM and 1000, really a great warm up getting either in first.

I know people who do both and they pad their recovery time between events with a really slow mile seed time and their normal 400IM time (or faster). Still, it's a brutal Day One to do both. Tito Morales would do this!

Proud member of FISHTWITCH: doing a bit more than fish exercise now.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [DavidK] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 13:29

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DavidK wrote:

500 Free - 7:22 (1:25/1:30/1:30/1:30/1:30/1:28) - Played it very very safe. Happy.

I was actually very happy with my relatively slow 500. I swam it exactly as I planned.

DK

Yes, very good execution on the 500, especially given that it was your 3rd swim of the meet.

And then you went on to swim 5 more races? Man, you bit off quite a program for your first meet!

I swam through HS, came back to the sport 4 years ago. Since then, I regularly swim 4-6 times a week, usually with some pretty high intensity sets. 4 events a day, including relays, is my max. That 4th swim is always a throw-away. The third one is often a throw-away, too.

"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [gary p] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 13:55

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Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement. Our three sons all swam year round from through high school. I applaud any high school student who swims competitively no matter their ability. David K

Re: ST February Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 18:13

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monty wrote:

After XC running race hopped in pool:
50 fly: 47s
50 free: 39s //

Here you go dev, and you can even do the XC ski race before too!! Better hurry though, sounds like this guy/girl? is going to crush these times and put them to bed soon...

and I did:

50 fly: 44s
50 free: 36.5

probably got faster cause they finally cleaned the pool.. instead of swimming in green chlorine sludge

tried 50 breast but someone walked in front of the clock!

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [DavidK] [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 18 18:20

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I really want to do a 200 Breast. And, yes, I've been warned how hard 200 Breast can be. //

Of all your swims I think the 50 Brest is your best. You certainly could go faster in the 100 than 1;25 based on that 50, and you should be able to do a good 200 too. Not sure what people have told you, but for me the 200 breast is the easiest of all the 200 races. You just find a nice rhythm and go. If you die a little bit, it doesn't show up like in Fly or even free. It does take just a bit longer, but you get a nice long rest on each push off the walls. At least its a rest for your arms, gotta still hold your breath, and that can hurt sometimes.

The 500 was perfect pacing, next time you can put a little pressure earlier and see what happens. Maybe 1;29+'s in the middle..

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 16, 18 5:13

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Did we decide on the "official" events for the March edition of the Virtual Meet yet?

As an aside, all this running and cycling I'm doing is killing my swim, I had no legs at practice yesterday. Did some intervals at :30s per km above my current estimated half marathon pace, then got to swim practice and coach gave us a lot of kicking. But, on the good side of things, the scale was under 200# for the first time in ages. (198). 2.5 hour training day yesterday (30 min run, 1 hr in the pool, and an hour on the trainer).

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 16, 18 5:16

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Ok, lot of fast times on this thread. Someone needs to set the bar low, so here goes. Typical AOS non-swimmer triathlete.

SCY, open turns (of course) from a push

Fly - I made it 10 yards before the lifeguard made moves towards the life ring, so I went back to the crawl and tried to pretend this never happened
Back - 1:05
Breast - 1:15
Free - :37

(yes, those are 50 SCY times). My breaststroke and fly kicks are awful and I have no rhythm in either of those strokes. Any tips for the guppie on how to get started with these strokes?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [scenicRoute] [ In reply to ]

Mar 19, 18 17:16

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Way to pitch up and go for it. And I'm not going out on any limb here, you are a freestyler!!! 37 is very respectable and something you can build on, as for the other strokes, lets just say you have an orchard of low hanging fruit!!

I almost did a 1650TT today, but water was just too hot, so did a broken one instead

1650pSCY 21;02(1000@14;00/500@7;00/150) 12;54/6;21/1;48

As soon as the water cools down I will try it straight through. I could feel my brain cells slow boiling and that was my wall, so encouraged about the pace I was able to keep...

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [gary p] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 18 15:36

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gary p wrote:

Male, age 48/9, all swims SCY

I'll pick up the 50 breastroke and 50 backstroke in the next week. My back is awful; probably won't be any faster than the breast

Finally got around to this today. As predicted, my backstroke was slower than my breastroke.

50 Breastroke, :38.01 (In water start, no R/T)
50 Backstroke, :40.17 (tried to do a "regulation" start using the blocks, did more of a back flop; no R/T)

"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [gary p] [ In reply to ]

Mar 21, 18 19:56

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OK, I will have an official 50 fly time and 100 IM this weekend as I am entered in my first actual swim meet of my life. Doing the 50 fly, 100 fly, 200 fly, 100 IM, 200 IM, 400IM (Ontario Masters Swim Championships)....it's barely 10K from home, and I managed to get one of the local club coached to let me join his team and enter those events. I think he has me signed up for some relays too, I just don't know what legs yet.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 18 6:22

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I am reporting back from Ontario Masters Championships. This is the first swim meet i have ever done and really enjoyed it. I am a beginner putting together all the complexities of warmups, heat times, starts, turns between strokes and starting cold and having to hammer at full throttle. I'm doing all the fly events (50, 100, 200) and all the IM's (100, 200, 400) and the coach of one of the local clubs has me in 4 relays (generally in the 200+ or 240+ combined age groups) doing the free on two and fly on two (all 50m).

So far I am sweeping last place in my age group in all my events, but it appears there are no recreational athletes in these, just serious swimmers, so I feel good about being at the start line and doing them to my best. I'll have a more detailed report. Next month, I will do a local meet with 50 free, 50 back, 50 fly, 50 breast, 100 free and 100 IM. Mainly at this meet, I have been trying to not get DQ'd, as I have a physical limitation that affects perfect control of my left leg keeping it 100% symmetrical on fly kick and also in breast stroke so my times are a bit slower than what I think I can get to. I have the 200IM and 50 fly in a relay remaining today. It's been a fun experience and I am used to being in last place all the time from early in my sport career in track and team sports, being the 5 foot tall athlete for the longest time until I had a growth spurt and got to 5'7" in my last 1.5 of high school.

My times were generally 2-20 seconds slower than training times depending on distance...I just find hammering from standing around (even after a warmup) difficult. Will gradually figure that out.

On a plus note, I can say I am 6th in Ontario in the 400 IM and 5th in the 200 fly in 50-54. I think in 2 years, I have a chance to not be last place if I can keep improving when I move up to 55, so I am motivated. I will figure out this breast and back stroke thing over time.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 18 8:35

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My times were generally 2-20 seconds slower than training times depending on distance...I just find hammering from standing around (even after a warmup) difficult. Will gradually figure that out. //

Ha! You just discovered what it is like to have to swim under pressure. Swimming is only done well when done relaxed. In workouts during sets you are completely relaxed(but going hard of course) and you will often have great breakout swims. In meets you are cocked and ready to be fired, and as a newbie you most likely trashed your stroke, forgot all the lessons you learned, and just flailed through the events. Until your stroke become 2nd nature to you, it will be a fight in meets. It is hard enough to hold the several thoughts in your head about what you should be doing, but add adreneline and that firing of the gun that so often turns off your thinking brain, well it just takes time, practice, and experience.

Good for you to start the journey, dont let this initial lesson deter you from continuing. It is completely natural and expected what happened to you, now get some more experience...

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 18 18:55

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day 1
100 Fly 60.01
200 IM 2:17.22
100 Free 57.12

___________________________________________
http://en.wikipedia.org/...eoesophageal_fistula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 18 19:04

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Day 2
800 Free 8:51.14
200 Back 2:15.86
200 Fly 2:13.72

___________________________________________
http://en.wikipedia.org/...eoesophageal_fistula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 8:57

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Nice job there Bo, looks like you bettered almost all of your goal times, except for maybe the 100 free?

When you can get older and faster past your prime, that is a huge win win. Did you get any videos of the races??

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 9:26

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 9:30

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100 Fly was the first race and I went out super hard in 27.48 (faster than the 1st 50m of the 100 Free actually). Was pleased to be 29 on the way home for the 100 Free. My back in the 200 IM was a little weak and my free was awful in that swim, Fly and Breast were good. But 200 Back was the most shocking result for me.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 9:59

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realAB wrote:

Was pleased to be 29 on the way home for the 100 Free.

Yeah, great close! You were a body length and a half down at the 75, and damn near swam him down.

"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [gary p] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 14:20

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Jeff (lane 6) said something afterwards about being a drop dead sprinter and that he was hanging on at the end... He is 6 years younger, swam at U of Alberta.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/...eoesophageal_fistula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
2020 National Masters Champion - M40-44 - 400m IM
Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 14:36

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Some nice swims, but that last 20 meters of the 200 fly, my back was tying up just watching!! Man I have so been there so many times before, in fact I think it is almost a requirement to do your last strokes almost up and down!!! Way to hang tough and save the overall time...

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 15:04

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Great swims Bo! I know you are a distance guy but that 800 time blows my mind. I did a 57.5 100 free at nationals last year to be close to your 100 but 8:51 for the 800 seems light years ahead of what I could do! Can you drop another 5s to get the M40-44 National record?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 18 16:39

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we will see on May 19

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 6:44

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realAB wrote:

we will see on May 19

I am thinking about going. I would like to do the 100 IM, 200 IM, 400 IM, 100 fly, 200 fly, 800m free and 1500m free. Other than the free, I am going to be last place in everything and by doing 2 long free events, I am certain to at least finish those and not have my bad leg do stupid things that gets my DQ'd. I'll also be doing 4 relays if I go (probably mainly fly legs in the older age group teams).

Sorry I have not yet posted a full report from the Ontario Masters. It was my first swim meet ever, but it was also the first time in 6 months that I took more than half day off of work (I generally work 7 days per week on my startup, but it does not feel like work.....so I had a work backlog).

I totally enjoyed the process and I am hooked. My results were either stupid DQ's in half my events of last place in the other half of my events:

50 fly = 43 DQ, because my first dolphin kick legs were not aligned after my wall push off start
100 fly = 1:39 DQ because of a leg spasm at my first wall touch resulting in assymmetrical body and left hand touching wall before right (in training, I will slow down left hand when this happens again)
200 IM = 3:50 DQ because on my first back stroke turn I flipped early and did no realize I can do a free stroke before my open turn....coasted to the wall and DQ

400 IM = 7:58....what a disaster, my goggles got logged with water during 100 fly, when I flipped to back got the water in my eyes and reacted and gulped a ton of water and choked till the next wall....came to a standstill coughed it out and resumed....no DQ.....6th in my age group in Ontario.....I am taking my last place

100 IM = 1:46....no mishaps, bad leg was not behaving and had zero power for breast....9th, and last place

200 fly = 3:42...no mishaps, perfect symmetry which was all I was focused on. I knew if I just finished, I'd get 5th and get points for my club and I did.

As I mentioned in general for the 200 events I was 10-15 seconds slower than training, in the 400 IM was 22 seconds slower. Going from starting at zero to full throttle really affects me after 75 meters and I had difficult with the lactate build up (I always had this problem in triathlon mass starts too).

I did two 50m fly legs in the relays at 43 seconds and two 50m free legs (same time or a second faster).

So anyway, for a guy who swept last place in his age group, or otherwise got DQ'd from half of his other events, I probably should win the hypermotivation award.

I am seriously interested in going to Nationals. The co founder of my startup (http://www.bluwave-ai.com) is based in Calgary and I have a free place to stay and I can cash in some points for the trip.

Day three would be 400 IM first event, then 200 fly second last event....pause and then 1500m free as last event. I know I can get through a 1500m free no matter how tired I am. I have to find out if I can get into the 1500m free with no seed time. There seems to be something about seed times on the website. While the above may seem silly to real swimmers, I think when you are slow, you need to find self generated challenges, because you get no intrinsic reward from finishing in last place!

Dev

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 6:49

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devashish_paul wrote:

realAB wrote:

we will see on May 19

I am thinking about going. I would like to do the 100 IM, 200 IM, 400 IM, 100 fly, 200 fly, 800m free and 1500m free. Other than the free, I am going to be last place in everything and by doing 2 long free events, I am certain to at least finish those and not have my bad leg do stupid things that gets my DQ'd. I'll also be doing 4 relays if I go (probably mainly fly legs in the older age group teams).

Sorry I have not yet posted a full report from the Ontario Masters. It was my first swim meet ever, but it was also the first time in 6 months that I took more than half day off of work (I generally work 7 days per week on my startup, but it does not feel like work.....so I had a work backlog).

I totally enjoyed the process and I am hooked. My results were either stupid DQ's in half my events of last place in the other half of my events:

50 fly = 43 DQ, because my first dolphin kick legs were not aligned after my wall push off start
100 fly = 1:39 DQ because of a leg spasm at my first wall touch resulting in assymmetrical body and left hand touching wall before right (in training, I will slow down left hand when this happens again)
200 IM = 3:50 DQ because on my second back stroke turn I flipped early and did no realize I can do a free stroke before my open turn....coasted to the wall and DQ

400 IM = 7:58....what a disaster, my goggles got logged with water during 100 fly, when I flipped to back got the water in my eyes and reacted and gulped a ton of water and choked till the next wall....came to a standstill coughed it out and resumed....no DQ.....6th in my age group in Ontario.....I am taking my last place

100 IM = 1:46....no mishaps, bad leg was not behaving and had zero power for breast....9th, and last place

200 fly = 3:42...no mishaps, perfect symmetry which was all I was focused on. I knew if I just finished, I'd get 5th and get points for my club and I did.

As I mentioned in general for the 200 events I was 10-15 seconds slower than training, in the 400 IM was 22 seconds slower. Going from starting at zero to full throttle really affects me after 75 meters and I had difficult with the lactate build up (I always had this problem in triathlon mass starts too).

I did two 50m fly legs in the relays at 43 seconds and two 50m free legs (same time or a second faster).

So anyway, for a guy who swept last place in his age group, or otherwise got DQ'd from half of his other events, I probably should win the hypermotivation award.

I am seriously interested in going to Nationals. The co founder of my startup (http://www.bluwave-ai.com) is based in Calgary and I have a free place to stay and I can cash in some points for the trip.

Day three would be 400 IM first event, then 200 fly second last event....pause and then 1500m free as last event. I know I can get through a 1500m free no matter how tired I am. I have to find out if I can get into the 1500m free with no seed time. There seems to be something about seed times on the website. While the above may seem silly to real swimmers, I think when you are slow, you need to find self generated challenges, because you get no intrinsic reward from finishing in last place!

Dev

Check out the rules around the 800 and 1500, I don't think there are qualification standards but I believe you have to have a validated swim (at least that's how it was last year). That's to ensure you are in the correct heat and aren't being wildly optimistic (which happens and can really slow down the meet).

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 6:50

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

realAB wrote:

we will see on May 19

I am thinking about going. I would like to do the 100 IM, 200 IM, 400 IM, 100 fly, 200 fly, 800m free and 1500m free. Other than the free, I am going to be last place in everything and by doing 2 long free events, I am certain to at least finish those and not have my bad leg do stupid things that gets my DQ'd. I'll also be doing 4 relays if I go (probably mainly fly legs in the older age group teams).

Sorry I have not yet posted a full report from the Ontario Masters. It was my first swim meet ever, but it was also the first time in 6 months that I took more than half day off of work (I generally work 7 days per week on my startup, but it does not feel like work.....so I had a work backlog).

I totally enjoyed the process and I am hooked. My results were either stupid DQ's in half my events of last place in the other half of my events:

50 fly = 43 DQ, because my first dolphin kick legs were not aligned after my wall push off start
100 fly = 1:39 DQ because of a leg spasm at my first wall touch resulting in assymmetrical body and left hand touching wall before right (in training, I will slow down left hand when this happens again)
200 IM = 3:50 DQ because on my second back stroke turn I flipped early and did no realize I can do a free stroke before my open turn....coasted to the wall and DQ

400 IM = 7:58....what a disaster, my goggles got logged with water during 100 fly, when I flipped to back got the water in my eyes and reacted and gulped a ton of water and choked till the next wall....came to a standstill coughed it out and resumed....no DQ.....6th in my age group in Ontario.....I am taking my last place

100 IM = 1:46....no mishaps, bad leg was not behaving and had zero power for breast....9th, and last place

200 fly = 3:42...no mishaps, perfect symmetry which was all I was focused on. I knew if I just finished, I'd get 5th and get points for my club and I did.

As I mentioned in general for the 200 events I was 10-15 seconds slower than training, in the 400 IM was 22 seconds slower. Going from starting at zero to full throttle really affects me after 75 meters and I had difficult with the lactate build up (I always had this problem in triathlon mass starts too).

I did two 50m fly legs in the relays at 43 seconds and two 50m free legs (same time or a second faster).

So anyway, for a guy who swept last place in his age group, or otherwise got DQ'd from half of his other events, I probably should win the hypermotivation award.

I am seriously interested in going to Nationals. The co founder of my startup (http://www.bluwave-ai.com) is based in Calgary and I have a free place to stay and I can cash in some points for the trip.

Day three would be 400 IM first event, then 200 fly second last event....pause and then 1500m free as last event. I know I can get through a 1500m free no matter how tired I am. I have to find out if I can get into the 1500m free with no seed time. There seems to be something about seed times on the website. While the above may seem silly to real swimmers, I think when you are slow, you need to find self generated challenges, because you get no intrinsic reward from finishing in last place!

Dev

Check out the rules around the 800 and 1500, I don't think there are qualification standards but I believe you have to have a validated swim (at least that's how it was last year). That's to ensure you are in the correct heat and aren't being wildly optimistic (which happens and can really slow down the meet).

This is what I thought I read. What is a validated swim? Get in the pool and have the coach from the club time my 800m and 1500m split and submit those times?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 6:54

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I "believe" that its a time from a meet, but don't quote me on that. It should be in the race package.

Oh, and good job on the meet! As you've found out, it's a lot of fun, and nerve wracking. Best feeling in the world is the butterflies about 30 seconds before you get up on the blocks.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 7:49

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

I "believe" that its a time from a meet, but don't quote me on that. It should be in the race package.

Oh, and good job on the meet! As you've found out, it's a lot of fun, and nerve wracking. Best feeling in the world is the butterflies about 30 seconds before you get up on the blocks.

I do like the pressure of having to be "tested"/"perform". Even when I was a student, I would get off on exam time and trying to cram in entire semesters and step up and see what I could score. I like getting in a morning workout and leaving my final presentation prep to the last minute and cleaning it up over breakfast and have the pressure to whip it off in from of 1000 people right afterwards (generally I'll be visualizing it in my head during my workout). So yes, that feeling of being on the start line, I am into which is probably why when I raced triathlon it was often, because it was a fun process. The cool thing about a swim meet is you get to do it many times at once. Very much like a track meet which is what I grew up with.

Dev

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 9:26

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Did one day at our State's SCY Masters Championships.

30.17 50 Free - Dropped over a second from 2 weeks ago due to keeping my head down and a half assed flip turn.

13.74 25 Free - At 51 I do not have much of a dynamic dive. What a blast - no time to feel any fatigue.

1:20.94 100 BR - 4 plus second drop from 2 weeks ago. Went out under :37 and did okay until the 75 turn. Wow, I did not want to stay underwater on that pullout. Back in :44. Room to improve timing, turns and endurance.

1:09.22 100 Free - A second plus slower than 2 weeks prior. Fatigued.

Looking forward to racing again.

DK

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 10:41

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I just checked the registration page, where you actually go to sign up, and according to that you cannot enter without an official meet time from the last 2 years. If I was going, which I'm not this year, maybe next year since it'll be closer to home, then I couldn't enter the 800 since I haven't swum that event in the last couple of seasons. I could enter the 1500, since I did that in the fall.

That rule only applies to the 800 and 1500

just posted a screen grab. it autopopulates all times from the last 2 years, if you haven't swum it in 2 years or more then it gives you NT (which can be overridden). Can't override anything that you do have a result for. The ones with the dropdown are results that have several results in the last 2 years, you get to pick which time you want.

devashish_paul wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

I "believe" that its a time from a meet, but don't quote me on that. It should be in the race package.

Oh, and good job on the meet! As you've found out, it's a lot of fun, and nerve wracking. Best feeling in the world is the butterflies about 30 seconds before you get up on the blocks.

I do like the pressure of having to be "tested"/"perform". Even when I was a student, I would get off on exam time and trying to cram in entire semesters and step up and see what I could score. I like getting in a morning workout and leaving my final presentation prep to the last minute and cleaning it up over breakfast and have the pressure to whip it off in from of 1000 people right afterwards (generally I'll be visualizing it in my head during my workout). So yes, that feeling of being on the start line, I am into which is probably why when I raced triathlon it was often, because it was a fun process. The cool thing about a swim meet is you get to do it many times at once. Very much like a track meet which is what I grew up with.

Dev

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 13:27

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

I just checked the registration page, where you actually go to sign up, and according to that you cannot enter without an official meet time from the last 2 years. If I was going, which I'm not this year, maybe next year since it'll be closer to home, then I couldn't enter the 800 since I haven't swum that event in the last couple of seasons. I could enter the 1500, since I did that in the fall.

That rule only applies to the 800 and 1500

just posted a screen grab. it autopopulates all times from the last 2 years, if you haven't swum it in 2 years or more then it gives you NT (which can be overridden). Can't override anything that you do have a result for. The ones with the dropdown are results that have several results in the last 2 years, you get to pick which time you want.

devashish_paul wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

I "believe" that its a time from a meet, but don't quote me on that. It should be in the race package.

Oh, and good job on the meet! As you've found out, it's a lot of fun, and nerve wracking. Best feeling in the world is the butterflies about 30 seconds before you get up on the blocks.

I do like the pressure of having to be "tested"/"perform". Even when I was a student, I would get off on exam time and trying to cram in entire semesters and step up and see what I could score. I like getting in a morning workout and leaving my final presentation prep to the last minute and cleaning it up over breakfast and have the pressure to whip it off in from of 1000 people right afterwards (generally I'll be visualizing it in my head during my workout). So yes, that feeling of being on the start line, I am into which is probably why when I raced triathlon it was often, because it was a fun process. The cool thing about a swim meet is you get to do it many times at once. Very much like a track meet which is what I grew up with.

Dev

I see the following text in the meet package, so based on the last para, seems like it is hard to get into the 800m or 1500m. I assume "official proof of time" is from a Swim Canada sanctioned meet vs a timed result at a Swim Canada sanctioned club session?:

Meet Entry Standards There are no qualifying standards to enter the meet. Eligibility Open to any Canadian or International registered Masters swimmer 18 years old as of May 19th, 2018. Age as of December 31, 2018 determines age groups. Canadian (and U.S.) swimmers must indicate their provincial registration number (or USMS #) and club affiliation with their entries. All Canadian swimmers must have an active Swimming Canada registration and ID #. Other International swimmers must provide proof of affiliation with their National FINA affiliated master organization when they enter.

Seeding All events will be run slowest to fastest. The 800m and 1500m events may be seeded to be swum two (2) per lane at the discretion of the Meet Manager.

800m/1500m freestyle An official proof of time at registration is requested for 800 and 1500m events. Official time must be less than 24 months old from May 19th 2018. Please note that when swimming two per lane, front crawl is the only stroke permitted. Some lap counters will be provided. Swimmers are to provide their own volunteer to operate. 800m free swimmers MUST check-in with the Clerk of Course on the pool deck prior to 10:00am Saturday, May 19th . 1500m free swimmers MUST check-in with the Clerk of Course prior to 10:00am Monday on May 21st

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 15:57

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I did a one-day meet last Saturday. I've got a long ways to go by May...

50 fly: 24.92
50br: 29.58
100im: 59.33
200im: 2:11.75

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [SH] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 18:00

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SH wrote:

I did a one-day meet last Saturday. I've got a long ways to go by May...

50 fly: 24.92
50br: 29.58
100im: 59.33
200im: 2:11.75

Nice times! When you say you have a long way to go, what would your targets be? The breast stroke 50m world record is Adam Peaty's 25.95 and fly is 22.43 by Rafael Munoz....you're almost there!!!! (OK I realize that 2.5 to 4 seconds is a world away, but your times are awesome man)!!!

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 18:24

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Hey Dev, I believe he went SCY at his meet. Still pretty dam fast though for an aging triathlete.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [monty] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 18 19:06

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monty wrote:

Hey Dev, I believe he went SCY at his meet. Still pretty dam fast though for an aging triathlete.

I don't care what format he swam....it's darn fast!

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 6:45

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the 800/1500 entry would not pick up my long course time from the 800... no problem for me since my recent time will get uploaded.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 6:50

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the other issue is political... mso is no longer a member of Swim Canada.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 7:13

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realAB wrote:

the other issue is political... mso is no longer a member of Swim Canada.

This is like Ironman and ITU or something....sheesh wherever you have people and power, no one can get along.

I think my event line up will need to be 50 fly, 100 fly, 200 fly, 100 IM, 200 IM, 400 IM, 400 Free, and as many relays at Technosport wants me to swim in (likely in the 200 year old combined age group). It would really be fun for me to try the 400 IM, 200 fly and 1500m on the final day, but unless I can find a 1500m race (which I can't find in Ontario.....maybe in Quebec???), then I think out. How popular is the 1500m anyway...at Ontario Masters it was sparse and it seem at Nationals they are running 2 per lane, so 20 at a time....I would think the entire 1500m event would be done in <2 hrs at the end of the day on Sunday (a few waves sub 19 min, then you probably have a few sub 22, and then two sub 30)...that's right on 2 hours with changes and 120 people ?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 7:16

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109 swims for the 1500 at last year's Nationals

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 7:47

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The "2 per lane" is standard language to give the organizers the option of running heats 2 per lane if necessary. It's not a given that they will run 2 per lane, it's preferable not to.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 7:52

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https://www.mastersswimmingcanada.ca/...mming/meet-schedule/

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Canadian Record Holder 35-39M & 40-44M - 200 m Butterfly (LCM)

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 10:14

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devashish_paul wrote:

SH wrote:

I did a one-day meet last Saturday. I've got a long ways to go by May...

50 fly: 24.92
50br: 29.58
100im: 59.33
200im: 2:11.75

Nice times! When you say you have a long way to go, what would your targets be? The breast stroke 50m world record is Adam Peaty's 25.95 and fly is 22.43 by Rafael Munoz....you're almost there!!!! (OK I realize that 2.5 to 4 seconds is a world away, but your times are awesome man)!!!

Lol! What Monty said.

Also, no human being could watch me race Peaty or Munoz and afterwards exclaim "you're almost there!!!". Truly, you'd be shocked at how bad it would look.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [SH] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 10:23

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SH wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

SH wrote:

I did a one-day meet last Saturday. I've got a long ways to go by May...

50 fly: 24.92
50br: 29.58
100im: 59.33
200im: 2:11.75

Nice times! When you say you have a long way to go, what would your targets be? The breast stroke 50m world record is Adam Peaty's 25.95 and fly is 22.43 by Rafael Munoz....you're almost there!!!! (OK I realize that 2.5 to 4 seconds is a world away, but your times are awesome man)!!!

Lol! What Monty said.

Also, no human being could watch me race Peaty or Munoz and afterwards exclaim "you're almost there!!!". Truly, you'd be shocked at how bad it would look.

Ok, so you're no Peaty (or Dressel for Monty - his ultimate fanboi ;-) But those are some solid times, mate! Especially for a guy SOOO much older than me!

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2020 National Masters Champion - M50-54 - 50m Butterfly

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [SH] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 12:02

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SH wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

SH wrote:

I did a one-day meet last Saturday. I've got a long ways to go by May...

50 fly: 24.92
50br: 29.58
100im: 59.33
200im: 2:11.75

Nice times! When you say you have a long way to go, what would your targets be? The breast stroke 50m world record is Adam Peaty's 25.95 and fly is 22.43 by Rafael Munoz....you're almost there!!!! (OK I realize that 2.5 to 4 seconds is a world away, but your times are awesome man)!!!

Lol! What Monty said.

Also, no human being could watch me race Peaty or Munoz and afterwards exclaim "you're almost there!!!". Truly, you'd be shocked at how bad it would look.

Dammit we're taking ST glory and putting you in the Peaty Munoz group cause that's the best we have!!!

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 12:47

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Sorry Dev,

Dropped the ball this month on the ST virtual meet. Maybe friday am I could sneak in a time. Still laboring from the 100 in 100 feat you had me do.. ha. That 100 in 100 was harder than I thought it would be! Plus traveling to ncaas last week, i only got to flop around (although in that awesome minnesota pool) for a couple thou each time) Im not feeling too spritely...
Ill try to post something from the workout friday am.
daved

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 13:13

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realAB wrote:

https://www.mastersswimmingcanada.ca/WP/en/competitive-swimming/meet-schedule/

Let me understand this.....Masters Swim Ontario (MSO) is not part of Swim Ontario/Swim Canada? So we have two provincial championship events? Kind of like Ironman Worlds IN Kona and ITU Long course worlds?

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 13:20

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yes... major conflict over information sharing/sanctioning and governence

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [realAB] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 18:20

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realAB wrote:

yes... major conflict over information sharing/sanctioning and governence

LOL....so now I have to go to Barry ON on May 4th weekend for ANOTHER Provincials??? Sounds like a good plan! 2 cracks at pulling myself out of the provincial cellar. Are they going to give me an 16:59.59 IM style last place glory???

Here is a funny thing. I did both a 200 fly and a 200 IM on back to back intervals and timed both. I was faster in the 200 fly today and 1 min later I was 2 seconds slower in my 200 IM than racing on the weekend. I'll need to figure out how you guys start off the blocks and hammer full throttle. I had the problem in mass start triathlon after around 75m of hammering and lactate catching up. But in short race there is not a ton of time to "ease in"!!!

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 28, 18 19:28

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March 4th, 1650 yards, 20:59.95. (Male, 4 days before my 49th birthday).

This is a little late, but the final results with the splits necessary for me to perform the autopsy on my self-destruction were slow to be posted. I promised Monty in the March Aquatic Mammal thread I'd share the post-mortum. Here it is.

I had gone 20:53 six weeks earlier. I paced by perceive effort, and was pretty pleased with the reasonably consistent splits, especially as this was my first 1650 race in 2 years, and only my second as a Masters swimmer. I was, however, a little over 20 seconds short of achieving my goal of a National Qualifying Time.

After that, I did a short sprint training block with the aim of achieving an NQT in the 100 free at a February meet, and managed to do so. I then circled back around to distance pace work, trying to improve my endurance with longer repeats.

I knew that at at the pool for the March meet, I would be able to see the splits on the scoreboard every 50. My plan was to pace off the board, trying to hold 37.50's. I hung on through about 750, but then posted 4 consecutive 38.lows, and was fighting awfully hard to do that. By that point, I knew I wasn't likely to make my goal time, but thought sure I was on pace to set a new PR. (I was, indeed, over 7 seconds ahead my PB pace at that time) I decided to give it one more surge to see if I could get back under 37.50. It didn't happen. And then the piano fell out of the sky and landed on squarely on my back. I was driving the struggle bus just to hold 39's from 1000 yards on. I even posted a 40.low on one 50. I managed to rally a little bit for the last 100, but it was far from the close I'd had in January. Over the last 650 yards, I went 14 seconds slower than I'd gone six weeks prior. Final time was 6 seconds slower. My attitude going in was "I'm gonna go 37.50s to the end, or die trying." The latter is what happened.

I'm still working on 1650 pace. I managed to go 20:55 off a wall start, after a sprint set, at Masters practice a couple weeks ago. I actually pulled a 20:51 without paddles last week. I think I've made a little progress, but it looks like I'm gonna have to go full-Leroy at the "last chance" meet in April with a taper (well, as much as you can taper from 12k yards a week), shave, and a tech suit, to give myself the best shot at getting that NQT.

I'll post an update after that event.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [gary p] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 7:07

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gary p wrote:

March 4th, 1650 yards, 20:59.95. (Male, 4 days before my 49th birthday).

This is a little late, but the final results with the splits necessary for me to perform the autopsy on my self-destruction were slow to be posted. I promised Monty in the March Aquatic Mammal thread I'd share the post-mortum. Here it is.

I had gone 20:53 six weeks earlier. I paced by perceive effort, and was pretty pleased with the reasonably consistent splits, especially as this was my first 1650 race in 2 years, and only my second as a Masters swimmer. I was, however, a little over 20 seconds short of achieving my goal of a National Qualifying Time.

After that, I did a short sprint training block with the aim of achieving an NQT in the 100 free at a February meet, and managed to do so. I then circled back around to distance pace work, trying to improve my endurance with longer repeats.

I knew that at at the pool for the March meet, I would be able to see the splits on the scoreboard every 50. My plan was to pace off the board, trying to hold 37.50's. I hung on through about 750, but then posted 4 consecutive 38.lows, and was fighting awfully hard to do that. By that point, I knew I wasn't likely to make my goal time, but thought sure I was on pace to set a new PR. (I was, indeed, over 7 seconds ahead my PB pace at that time) I decided to give it one more surge to see if I could get back under 37.50. It didn't happen. And then the piano fell out of the sky and landed on squarely on my back. I was driving the struggle bus just to hold 39's from 1000 yards on. I even posted a 40.low on one 50. I managed to rally a little bit for the last 100, but it was far from the close I'd had in January. Over the last 650 yards, I went 14 seconds slower than I'd gone six weeks prior. Final time was 6 seconds slower. My attitude going in was "I'm gonna go 37.50s to the end, or die trying." The latter is what happened.

I'm still working on 1650 pace. I managed to go 20:55 off a wall start, after a sprint set, at Masters practice a couple weeks ago. I actually pulled a 20:51 without paddles last week. I think I've made a little progress, but it looks like I'm gonna have to go full-Leroy at the "last chance" meet in April with a taper (well, as much as you can taper from 12k yards a week), shave, and a tech suit, to give myself the best shot at getting that NQT.

I'll post an update after that event.

Awesome work....I would think a full gas 1500m race feels like a 20 min bike FTP test in terms of pacing or a 5K running race. You're playing around with being on the edge of blowing up and trying to sit on that pace/number and not overcook it. there are two swim meets coming up with a 1500m on April 21 weekend and May 4 weekend that I may give a try now that you guys got me on the swim event treadmill. What is the National Qualify Time for your age group?

I started looking at various qualifying times at events just as a target for a number to aim for. I looked at the 55-59 times which I would be in not next year but the year after that so I would have 2 years to technically improve while my engine declines over 2 years (or I hope not). I need to do 22:34 in the 1500m free, 6:32 in the 400 IM, 2:55 in the 200 IM, 3:06 in the 200 fly, 1:18 in the 100 fly (all meters)

Of the above, based on where I stand today and my progression as a swimmer, I believe if I can technically improve all aspects of the sport in 2 years, the 1500m is in reach, as is the 400 IM (today I am just over 1 min off and most of that is back, breast and really bad turns). The 200 fly is a stretch goal, but I think if I can get my 50m off a wall push down below 40 seconds, then I have a chance, because I don't fade as much as most people (maybe something about 31 IM's worth of fading less than other guys). I don't think the 2:55 200 IM is feasible but never say never

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 8:05

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Our provincials are May 5th. Provisionally, I'm looking at the 200 free, 50 fly, 1500 free, and 100IM. I'm slightly ticked off about the last time I swam the 1500, so even though it isn't my favourite event, I need redemption.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 8:05

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devashish_paul wrote:

I would think a full gas 1500m race feels like a 20 min bike FTP test in terms of pacing or a 5K running race. You're playing around with being on the edge of blowing up and trying to sit on that pace/number and not overcook it.

Yeah, I think that's a good analogy. Trying to increase my pace by 1 sec per 100 put me over the cliff. That's roughly equivalent to a run pace differential of 5 seconds/mile.

Quote:

What is the National Qualify Time for your age group?

20:33.30 for M 45-49 1650. In general, the USMS Short Course cuts are harder than Long Course cuts, and the distance event cuts (200+) are harder than the sprint cuts. Since there's no Long Course Nationals this year (US is hosting the Masters Pan Ams. instead), there aren't any Long Course cuts published. But last year, the Men's 45-49 1500 was 21:34.51. That "converts" to a ~21:09 1650.

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Last edited by: gary p: Mar 29, 18 9:50

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 9:46

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

Our provincials are May 5th. Provisionally, I'm looking at the 200 free, 50 fly, 1500 free, and 100IM. I'm slightly ticked off about the last time I swam the 1500, so even though it isn't my favourite event, I need redemption.

Awesome. I just signed up for a local swim meet next weekend: 100 free, 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 50 free, 100 IM. So I will have official times in all of those shortly. Good luck in the 1500m free...that's a wind range to optimized from 50 fly all the way up to 1500 free!!! Do you do any weight work for the 50 fly. I would think doing something like sets of 15-20 lat pulldowns with 100% body weight would translate directly (assuming similar stroke count and force application) and similar amount of quad extensions with 100% body weight or more? Minimally the physiology should translate (ie fast twitch force production).

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 9:52

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devashish_paul wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

Our provincials are May 5th. Provisionally, I'm looking at the 200 free, 50 fly, 1500 free, and 100IM. I'm slightly ticked off about the last time I swam the 1500, so even though it isn't my favourite event, I need redemption.

Awesome. I just signed up for a local swim meet next weekend: 100 free, 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 50 free, 100 IM. So I will have official times in all of those shortly. Good luck in the 1500m free...that's a wind range to optimized from 50 fly all the way up to 1500 free!!! Do you do any weight work for the 50 fly. I would think doing something like sets of 15-20 lat pulldowns with 100% body weight would translate directly (assuming similar stroke count and force application) and similar amount of quad extensions with 100% body weight or more? Minimally the physiology should translate (ie fast twitch force production).

Weights? Hell no.

When I was young (late high school and university) I spent plenty of time in the weight room. I tried going back last year, realized how much I dislike lifting, and avoid it all costs now.

I wouldn't call it "optimized" for both. 1500 is probably my weakest freestyle event, and 50 fly is my weaker fly event. My strength is the VO2max events at the 100-200 distance, when I'm in shape, that is.

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Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 10:46

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For butterfly, work the triceps and it helps the other strokes also. Lat pulldowns also help. Do some leg presses for your underwaters...dont discount the benefit of a good push off the wall with a tight streamline when racing.

Re: ST Winter Virtual Swim Meet [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]

Mar 29, 18 11:31

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JasoninHalifax wrote:

devashish_paul wrote:

JasoninHalifax wrote:

Our provincials are May 5th. Provisionally, I'm looking at the 200 free, 50 fly, 1500 free, and 100IM. I'm slightly ticked off about the last time I swam the 1500, so even though it isn't my favourite event, I need redemption.

Awesome. I just signed up for a local swim meet next weekend: 100 free, 50 fly, 50 back, 50 breast, 50 free, 100 IM. So I will have official times in all of those shortly. Good luck in the 1500m free...that's a wind range to optimized from 50 fly all the way up to 1500 free!!! Do you do any weight work for the 50 fly. I would think doing something like sets of 15-20 lat pulldowns with 100% body weight would translate directly (assuming similar stroke count and force application) and similar amount of quad extensions with 100% body weight or more? Minimally the physiology should translate (ie fast twitch force production).

Weights? Hell no.

When I was young (late high school and university) I spent plenty of time in the weight room. I tried going back last year, realized how much I dislike lifting, and avoid it all costs now.

I wouldn't call it "optimized" for both. 1500 is probably my weakest freestyle event, and 50 fly is my weaker fly event. My strength is the VO2max events at the 100-200 distance, when I'm in shape, that is.

Hey I see that Swim Ontario has the Ontario Masters on May 5th in Barrie and I can do a 1500m there....but the cut off for registration for Nationals in 29 April.....so can you use the May 5th time after the fact or you need a time to register. I sent a message the the meet organizers. There is a Quebec Master Championships weekend of April 21 in Quebec City, so it might be worth going to that to have another round of pushing myself and do a 1500m (....both Quebec City and Barrie are exact same drive time from home and if I have to spend money on hotel for a nite it seems like Quebec City is better than Barrie LOL!

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