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Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN?
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Starting this up because I don't see a thread anywhere.

It is going to be COLD! Long range forecast shows a low that morning of 37 and a high on the day of 62. PERFECT running weather, but getting on that bike is going to suck! What will everyone be wearing? I'm thinking arm warmers alone are not going to cut it with a tri top and shorts! I plan on toe covers and potentially a long sleeve cycling jersey. Thoughts?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not racing, but like you said I would anticipate a rather chilly race. IMO, early September in Lake Placid is chancy to hold the race. It should be a very scenic ride though with the leaves starting to change colors.

There's quite the potential to come out of the water and start riding in 40 degree F. Some might just keep on their wetsuit. :) I'd definitely wear thermal toe covers, cover up helmet vents possibly, and add a long sleeve tight fitting top over a tri top so that I could junk it at one of the aid stations once I was out of the risk area for hypothermia. I'd probably even take the time to put on some gloves prior to heading out of T1. There will be athletes at the early bike aid stations wearing garbage bags as they shiver their butts off. After that it should be a great day as overheating shouldn't be an issue.

Have fun at their inaugural half.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I am racing as well. Conditions are similar to Muskoka 70.3 a couple of years ago. I wear a sleeved Tri suit and just wore full fingered gloves and I was fine. It was roughly 40 when I started the bike.

With LP you never know it may snow so I will be bringing stuff for every condition just in case.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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No one else is racing?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I will be there. Was thinking the same thing...gloves, warmers, long sleeves, hat under helmet. I was trying to estimate what wind chills would be going down to Keene...Brrrrr

Initial 70.3 for me, so I'm just there to get across the line. Cooler weather after the bike will help with that.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm racing and not planning on wearing any warming gear. I race well in the cold.

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm IN.

Share same concern on temps with you, may put on a thin cycling jacket that I can stuff in my kit if necessary. Gloves fo'shure.

In this case I may actually look forward to the run, should be text book conditions!

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm racing. Similar thinking on gear. Maybe bring a vest too. Will pack full range of stuff just in case, but thinking toe warmers, sleeves and some additional layer on top should be enough. My question is, are there any specific rules about ditching gear at aid stations? Thinking about just bringing old stuff that I would not be unhappy to part with. Thanks.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [jpboris] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty sure that you can discard anything at an aid station, not just in the middle of the course somewhere.

Today's forecast says low of 45 and high of 67. Can you tell I'm obsessing about the weather?

The run weather will be absolutely perfect! Can't wait! I love Lake Placid!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I am participating. I rode the coarse a week ago, it was 48 at the start of my ride. I wore arm warmers and a thin cheap plastic cycling jacket I purchased for $30 on sale. The jacket warmed me up pretty quick and I just plan to toss it at one of the zones. The run should feel amazing but swim to the start of the bike may be uncomfortable for a bit.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [Najo] [ In reply to ]
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How were the road conditions?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm a bit more worried about the water temps personally. Anyone know what kind of temperatures we should be expecting?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in!

Had no idea about the weather forecast so I'm going to have to start thinking about packing accordingly!

I'm excited about the course. I always think coming around the first loop of the bike at IMLP that it was a piece of cake. It's the second loop that sucks... so that should make for a very good 70.3!

Good luck everyone

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [ddsg] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in. First ever WTC event after almost 30years of doing tris.
Facebook page said water was 69 as of yesterday.
Going to have to figure out what to wear on Saturday. It does look to be cold.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [mkb] [ In reply to ]
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Road conditions were okay, once a lane is closed :-) There was one lane traffic due to construction at the bottom of the Keene decent but I would imagine they would have that opened up on race day.

If you all haven't seen it they took away the second out and back and relocated it to the road going to Mt. Van Hoevenberg. It is a freshly paved road with a incline at the turnaround, just be careful after the turnaround as you are carrying some speed going back into the 90 degree turn.

The lake was 66 when we were there and has since gone back up to 69 as reported.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in!

The bike will be chilly to start. Gloves/arm warmers for me.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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It was 30 degrees here this morning. I don't envy you guys!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [IronTaint] [ In reply to ]
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LOL......Participated in the Lake George NY Oly this AM. 39-41F at start with 69F water which was hot tub-like! Running to T1 sucked as did the first several miles on bike. Imagine IMLP 70.3 will have change tents........as this 'racer' will be taking his sweet time getting dry and dressed for the Adirondack morning shift of Kelvin scale temps! Mercifully, the long range forecast has us dry (for now). Was hoping race start would be something cushy like 9AM but tradition prevails with the 7AM rolling.....
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [IronTaint] [ In reply to ]
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I question if we'll get the swim in. Temps are forecast to be in the high 30s (37-39F) at race start.

Get ready to bike-run!

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [N2176T] [ In reply to ]
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I'm seeing temps of 64/42... Are there rules for cancelling swim if air temps are too cool? I thought this depended more on water temps. Or is this just at the discretion of the RD?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [mkb] [ In reply to ]
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mkb wrote:
I'm seeing temps of 64/42... Are there rules for cancelling swim if air temps are too cool? I thought this depended more on water temps. Or is this just at the discretion of the RD?

Agreed with 62/42F high/low for Sun. Looking at temps for Sat night into Sun however, it seems the lows are forecast to be in the high 30s. Wunderground gives you an hourly estimate of where temps at 7am on Sun should be coming off the Sat night lows. All highly imprecise obviously this far out, come Thursday we'll know more.

I think the water will be just fine, I just worry about the cold air temps. Not sure what the guidelines / rules are.

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [N2176T] [ In reply to ]
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At IM Lake Tahoe a couple years ago, air temps were in the 40s, as I recall. The swim wasn't so bad, but the start of the bike was miserable. I put on a speedsuit top and gloves. They made arrangements for a clothing drop part way through the bike.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [N2176T] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone have experience with the water temp/air temp cancelling the swim? I read that USA Swimming wants the total temp (water+air) to be above 118. With a lake temp of 60 and are temp of 38 that is only putting us at 98


And if they do cancel the swim? Just bike run? How do they manage the start of that? Rolling?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in. Was there for the inaugural IM in 1999. Looking forward to the cool weather!

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [Trihumor] [ In reply to ]
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Trihumor wrote:
LOL......Participated in the Lake George NY Oly this AM. 39-41F at start with 69F water which was hot tub-like! Running to T1 sucked as did the first several miles on bike. Imagine IMLP 70.3 will have change tents........as this 'racer' will be taking his sweet time getting dry and dressed for the Adirondack morning shift of Kelvin scale temps! Mercifully, the long range forecast has us dry (for now). Was hoping race start would be something cushy like 9AM but tradition prevails with the 7AM rolling.....

I also heard that they ended up cancelling the half on Sunday because of multiple hypothermia cases. I hope LP 70.3 has a better fate!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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I will be there! This is going to be my first 70.3 and I'm super excited. A bit concerned about the weather... I'm going to buy a jacket (windbreaker) and gloves. Maybe toe warmers.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [N2176T] [ In reply to ]
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Ahhh.. I didn't think about the fact that Saturday night's low (35 degrees right now) would be a more accurate prediction of the temps on race morning. Damn that is cold.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [mkb] [ In reply to ]
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At least it will make the lake feel like bath water!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [Najo] [ In reply to ]
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The RDs had to have known the risk of putting a 70.3 in Lake Placid in September. I HIGHLY doubt the swim will be canceled. Yes, the water will be chilly, but getting onto the bike will be the worst part.

I went out Saturday morning and it was 40 when I left my house. I had on a sleeveless jersey, arm warmers, toe covers, gloves and my tri shorts. I was COLD. Being wet is going to make it even worse. Very much contemplating a long sleeve jacket for the bike that I can just ditch. I have some that I can part with and not be too upset :)

Run temps are looking just about perfect!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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Don't disagree, and I hope the swim goes off as planned. However, if water temps dip more and we stay in the low to mid 30's safety will become an issue.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [gguerini] [ In reply to ]
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I did a HIM this past weekend. The water temp was 68 and the air temp was 44. It wasn't terrible. The air did warm up to near 70 by the end of the bike, and the sun was out.

Things I did that seemed to work for me:
- Socks on for the bike (I normally go bare-foot).
- Plastic baggies over socks inside bike shoes. Really helped to block the wind, as my tri-bike shoes are well-vented; the extra thickness wasn't an issue when biking.
- Thin merino wool long-sleeve over tri-top on the bike. This was a marginal aero-penalty but I was warm enough on the bike. Helped absorb and evaporate some residual water from the swim.

Things I would have done differently:
- Have a pair of shoes available to walk down from transition to the swim start. Walking on the cold dewy grass barefoot was very uncomfortable.
- Have a pair of shoes available to run from water to transition - cold dewy grass was cold.

Things I saw others do that looked interesting:
- Plastic bag inside tri-top to block wind on the bike. Bag can be discarded / tucked in back-pocket once you're warm enough.
- Taped air vents on helmet to completely block wind.
- Skull cap under helmet to keep head warm.

Things I saw people do that may have been overkill:
- Wind/Rain jacket - big aero penalty / annoyance
- "Yoga Pants" / full knickers on the bike - results may vary, but once things warm up, could be uncomfortable for the long ride.

Things I debated over:
- Full finger gloves. I had planned to wear them, but at the last minute decided against them. I didn't regret it. Others that had gloves commented how difficult it was to open gels / pick up on-course bottle hand-ups.

Something I noticed:
- The adrenaline from finishing the swim and running to T1 made it feel as if it wasn't too cold outside. I almost didn't put on the long sleeve jersey as it felt like it was warm enough to go without. I'm glad I did as I knew it was cold while on the bike as the top of my thighs had that burning feeling (like when you take a hot shower when you're really cold) for the first 10 miles. For Lake Placid especially, the wind-chill down to Keene will be intense.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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Neoprene swim cap or just double up on the latex?


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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [bx3] [ In reply to ]
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bx3 wrote:
I did a HIM this past weekend. The water temp was 68 and the air temp was 44. It wasn't terrible. The air did warm up to near 70 by the end of the bike, and the sun was out.

Things I did that seemed to work for me:
- Socks on for the bike (I normally go bare-foot).
- Plastic baggies over socks inside bike shoes. Really helped to block the wind, as my tri-bike shoes are well-vented; the extra thickness wasn't an issue when biking.
- Thin merino wool long-sleeve over tri-top on the bike. This was a marginal aero-penalty but I was warm enough on the bike. Helped absorb and evaporate some residual water from the swim.

Things I would have done differently:
- Have a pair of shoes available to walk down from transition to the swim start. Walking on the cold dewy grass barefoot was very uncomfortable.
- Have a pair of shoes available to run from water to transition - cold dewy grass was cold.

Things I saw others do that looked interesting:
- Plastic bag inside tri-top to block wind on the bike. Bag can be discarded / tucked in back-pocket once you're warm enough.
- Taped air vents on helmet to completely block wind.
- Skull cap under helmet to keep head warm.

Things I saw people do that may have been overkill:
- Wind/Rain jacket - big aero penalty / annoyance
- "Yoga Pants" / full knickers on the bike - results may vary, but once things warm up, could be uncomfortable for the long ride.

Things I debated over:
- Full finger gloves. I had planned to wear them, but at the last minute decided against them. I didn't regret it. Others that had gloves commented how difficult it was to open gels / pick up on-course bottle hand-ups.

Something I noticed:
- The adrenaline from finishing the swim and running to T1 made it feel as if it wasn't too cold outside. I almost didn't put on the long sleeve jersey as it felt like it was warm enough to go without. I'm glad I did as I knew it was cold while on the bike as the top of my thighs had that burning feeling (like when you take a hot shower when you're really cold) for the first 10 miles. For Lake Placid especially, the wind-chill down to Keene will be intense.

Most helpful, thank you for these.

May have to dig out those ugly Vibram 5 toes I got for Escape Alcatraz and use'em on race morning for the swim / run to T1 (if we end up having it).

Agreed w/everyone on water temps, they'll be just balmy. Wind chill on bike will most likely be the limiting factor that morning

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Poon wrote:
At IM Lake Tahoe a couple years ago, air temps were in the 40s, as I recall. The swim wasn't so bad, but the start of the bike was miserable. I put on a speedsuit top and gloves. They made arrangements for a clothing drop part way through the bike.

Tahoe 2013 I was chipping ice off my pedals before the race start. Air temp was reported 34 at the start, water temp was 62. I much preferred being in the water that morning!
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [dsimo] [ In reply to ]
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dsimo wrote:
Neoprene swim cap or just double up on the latex?

Water temp is 69, that is almost warm... I wouldn't worry about the water temp.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [g_lev] [ In reply to ]
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g_lev wrote:
dsimo wrote:
Neoprene swim cap or just double up on the latex?


Water temp is 69, that is almost warm... I wouldn't worry about the water temp.

There is no way Mirror Lake is 69. I know they posted it miraculously went from 65 to 69, the cold temps at night will already have it back down to 65 and maybe lower. Cold rainy days will keep it down. Regardless of water temp, it will feel warm compared to the air temp.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [RobAllen] [ In reply to ]
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Fair enough but my point stands. I wouldn't bother considering doubling up swim caps until we start talking sub-60
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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They just posted on the IMLP 70.3 FB page that the water temp is now 63. Likely going to drop by Sunday given the forecast.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [jpboris] [ In reply to ]
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I just got out of Mirror Lake a couple hours ago, and it wasn't too bad. I wore a latex cap, and had a little bit of brain freeze for a minute or two at the beginning. The water is only going to get colder. So I just went to Bicycle Planet (LBS), and got a Neoprene cap to be safe. They told me they just stocked up for what could be a mad rush come this weekend. I kinda wonder how the athletes coming from the South are going to handle the colder temps.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [dsimo] [ In reply to ]
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I just did Maine 70.3 where the water temp was 60.something. Double latex was just fine but I bet I could have done with one. It was my feet I worried about and only because I am a two beat kicker. They eventually gained feeling back by mile 10 on the bike. Hands were a bit rough but a bottle of warm water in T1 helped me feel better about that. I used the water on my hands only so I could use my brakes.

I can't wait to watch everyone whilst enjoying a hot cup of coffee! stay warm

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [exerciseaddict] [ In reply to ]
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I believe you mean Placid Planet? :)
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [ In reply to ]
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What is the conventional wisdom with this race?

WTC does not renew Syracuse 70.3 when their contract is up and move LP 70.3 to mid June w/ better weather?
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [bx3] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for this Bx3. Gonna start packing now, referring back to your post while I stuff the tri bag.

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [uptown423] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone know the official WTC rules on neoprene caps and booties? I know you can wear booties if the water is below 65 (which it clearly will be) be don't know the policy on caps.
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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]
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SayHey Kid wrote:
What is the conventional wisdom with this race?

WTC does not renew Syracuse 70.3 when their contract is up and move LP 70.3 to mid June w/ better weather?

I think it still contends with MT 70.3 and the water temp is still chilly through mid-June I think. The fact that both LP 70.3 & Maine 70.3 sold out makes me bet it'll stay for now.

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Re: Lake Placid 70.3 - Who is IN? [jpboris] [ In reply to ]
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I was at the race briefing this afternoon and they said you can wear booties and as many caps as you like as long as the race one is on top.
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