It's the "train wreck syndrome".

Rubber necking when you drive past a car wreck. Driving out to the airport to look at an airplane that crashed. The movie Titanic. The Atlanta Falcons in a Super Bowl.

Everyone is fascinated by a disaster.

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

I love Trump because . . . I like a president who loves his country, respects our soldiers and police, places the interests of America first, and who, among other things, can at least utter the words "radical ... Islamic ... terrorism".

If, along the way, he treats two loathsome twits on MSNBC and our corrupt, lying media like dirt, well, that's just icing on the cake.

We're making America great again, folks!

He couldn't say "radical Islamic terrorists" in front of the Saudis. Such a brave man.

I've often wondered what it was like during the fall of the Roman empire with their crazy emperors. I no longer have to wonder.

Same thread, different title. Enjoy.

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I'll be 100% honest and say I don't love Trump. Not at all. Didn't mind him on the original "Celebrity Apprentice", but he's been a total disaster and embarrassment as a president. But no surprise there.

He respected the military so much he avoiding serving........

You literally would not recognise america being made great if it jumped up and punched you in the face

Put a conservative on the Supreme Court, expanded deportations of illegals, scaled back federal regulations, withdrew from the Paris climate accord etc. I'd say he's doing a great job.

I like a president who loves his country, respects our soldiers

This is something I just don't get.

John Kerry served in Vietnam, received the Bronze Star and 3 Purple Hearts but was attacked by the Swift Vets for Truth. It was probably the reason he didn't become President. Many in the GOP were disgusted with what they claimed were exaggerations despite the fact that he served. A lot of the criticism came from Dick Cheney, who did everything he could to avoid war but that hypocrisy was lost as long as their side won.

Now, we have a President who during College, had an athletic build, played football, tennis, squash and golf. He never had any medical issues. When he graduated, he suddenly was diagnosed with bone spurs in his heels so was able to get his 5th deferment from going to Vietnam (his first 4 were for education).

Despite that "co-incidence" you now like him as President because of his love for the country and because he respects your soldiers?

Are you kidding?

Don't forget Trump talking shit about McCain.

Wasting your time.

Jim @ LOTO has Trump's saggy old balls so far down his throat they're starting to poke out of his arse.

Could be a lack of sleep. Has to be really uncomfortable sleeping with his balls in his mouth. Terrible case of sleep apnea

Do you think they are salty?

I actually like his new resolution. He comes in, says something ridiculously stupid and over the top based on fuckall, then thinks he doesn't have to back it up at all since he has resolved to only post once per thread.

It is brilliant in its stupidity.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Well said.

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They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

He's the Saudis' little boy. I notice they aren't on the blocked list.

Lol....
Mind sharing your level of formal education Joe . Or am I not allowed to ask without coming across as a....coughCough ....Elitist ..hehe
( Damn...who would of thought in the year 2017 my measly 4 yr undergrad degree would render me 'elite '. Making America Great again indeed.!'

Jim is the only Trump supporter in the LR who is unconditional in his Trump love.

None of the "I didn't vote for him, but........"

Or the "I'm not a Trump supporter, but........"

Jim's got a whacky view of reality, but he's not ashamed to show his colors.

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

I've asked you before to the sound of crickets in response, but I'll ask again....

When is this time when America was, holistically, so much greater than it is today that we must return to that time?

Beyond speaking in the platitudes of "great again" as a meaningless buzzword, what exactly is it that you're looking to restore to America? When exactly was it that we were at that time?

Because the way I see it, there has been a time where elements of America were better than those particular elements are today. But just the same there was a time, and perhaps the exact same time, where other elements of America were far worse than they are today.

That's just a natural evolution of every society...and the de-evolutions that come with it.

So beyond the platitudes -- what is it that you actually and tangibly want? And why?

Smaller words needed

Crucify me, but the jury is still out as far as I’m concerned. There's a lot to not like , but that has been true with every president. I never watched Donalds' shows before he became president, didn’t really care for him.
I am impressed with how much heat this guy can take. Haven’t met him face to face yet , if I did ,y 'awl wouldn’t know it anyways.
Do we finally have a president that is "out there" as much as the other world leaders? I don’t know, but he sure has their attention.
President Trump may just be just the mirror America has finally had to look in. Its' really about us.The sum greater than all the parts .
I am really looking forward to a amazingly beautiful sail in a bay off of lake Michigan during my 4th of July vacation . Godz speed to the safety of all those who are not here to enjoy the same.

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Did you mean to say "impressed with how much heat he can take?" I can't disagree he has taken a lot, but that saying usually has the distinction of "taking it well." Quantifiably, he most certainly has not taken it well. It's been a bit of a shit show so far. I think it, and by "it" I mean optics, can be turned around with some relatively minor tweaks.

No more social media, don't release one page plans for incredibly complex topics, don't hold up appointments of your appointments, kill the media with kindness, quit blaming Obama and focus on your agenda. Seems reasonable, no?

in the kitchen we refer to “ taking the heat" as more like a pass /fail..not how well.Sorry for the confusion.

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Taking the heat from the building he set fire to, yeah.

I am impressed with how much heat this guy can take.


I'm the opposite. I think he generates the heat because he has such a thin skin he attacks anyone who says anything remotely negative about him. I've never seen anyone so sensitive, particularly someone who was head of a successful company and of course now the President.


I really can't imagine anyone having any respect for him and that to me is a sad reflection of the office.

( Damn...who would of thought in the year 2017 my measly 4 yr undergrad degree would render me 'elite '. Making America Great again indeed.!' )

You finished undergrad in four years? Take it to the backdoor brag thread where it belongs, pal.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Well, keep in mind the First Lady's reminder: When a woman criticizes him, he'll hit back ten times harder, with insults about their looks, their intelligence, etc. That's not thin skin, man, that's old school toughness.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

That's not thin skin, man, that's old school toughness.


I chuckle when people say Trump is tough. Most of his personal attacks are against women.


Of course if I point that out, I'm the one who is unhinged...

Maybe those vets, some of who served with Kerry were unhappy about the fact that when he returned, after receiving a token medal for a flesh wound, he spent his time calling them baby killers and exaggerating his role in Vietnam. John Kerry is an idiot. The fact that you bring him up as some sort of American hero is sad.

Your elite? Funny stuff, or as a Millennial "elitist" with his big 4 year degree would say, "LOL".

May I suggest you drop juvenile terms if you want to be considered elite? Part of the problem in this country is the immaturity of those under 40 who deem themselves to be intelligent, and "elite". Most can barely think their way out of a paper bag. Read most of the anti-Trump threads started by non-Americans. The threads are absolutely predictable. A non-American will post a rant about Trump and the same immature characters will jump in and opine about how the world is ending. Mean while, outside of the small little world these posters live in, the world is moving along, the economy is rolling, and Trump the hated is eliminating Obama's legacy. All the while the same posters over and over again can't get over the last Trump outrage they heard about on MSNBC.

ST is becoming boring. At least YaHey and Forge were interesting and entertaining. Now the entire Lav Room is one big circle jerk of the same posters over and over again.

John Kerry is an idiot. The fact that you bring him up as some sort of American hero is sad.


So, just to be clear, you have no problem with Trump getting 5 deferrals and then coming out and saying he stands behind and fully supports the military.

The world may be moving along. Not sure what role the us will play in it though but whatever it is it wont be viewed with the same respect by anyone

Thats different. He would have served but had bunions

Don't diminish his sacrifices or heroism, Canadian.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Do you have a source showing where Kerry called a Vietnam vet a "baby killer".

He wasn't the second coming of Audie Murphy. He wasn't the only person to embellish his combat experience. After leaving the US Navy, he criticized the US policy in Vietnam. None of this makes him unique.

At any rate, an admin clerk pushing papers at an airbase in N Dakota during the Vietnam War spent more time in the military than Trump. It's ironic, to say the least , for Trump to criticize the military service of others like Kerry and McCain.

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

Kerry testified before the Senate that U.S. soldiers routinely committed war crimes and other atrocities . His basis for the testimony was information he received from the Winter Soldier movement. Many of the claims by Winter Soldiers were later found to be fraudulent. Perhaps that's why many vets dislike Kerry.

Did he say "Our troops are baby killers"?

He testified about free fire zones and killing prisoners. He pointed out the problems faced by veterans. I can't find a source showing that he called anyone a "baby killer".

http://www.wintersoldier.com/....php?topic=Testimony

Fake news?

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

Perhaps that's why many vets dislike Kerry.


They might dislike him but there seems like a lot of animosity, bordering on hatred, towards someone who served. Then, Trump comes along, did whatever he could to avoid going to war, and the same people say they like him because he supports the military.


The truth is that it really has nothing to do with serving or not serving, it has to do with one being a Democrat and the other a Republican.


It's another example of people who say they have strong views suddenly finding flexibility, as long as their side wins. It's getting harder and harder to distinguish what people really believe in.

Its a cognitive dissonance

I agree with you. You can be a draft dodger as long as you're a draft dodger on my team. That's true of both parties.

Because he's not Hillary Clinton?

That "flexibility" of the right is hilarious to watch.

Party of family values? Hah

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Gee, I don't know. Why don't we ask Michelle Obama why she all of a sudden was proud of her country. Hypocrisy is the M.O. of the liberals.

What do I think of Trump? He's a blowhard (as lots of men are from that generation)...but he is the President, and will reserve judgement, as I did for Obama.

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Not everything is as it seems -Mr. Miyagi

Guess the massacres at My Lai, Thanh Phong, etc were just fake news?

I am not a fan of Trump... still waaay to big government for my taste.

But I have to hand it to him.

He crushed the Bush's and their establishment cronies

Destroyed the Clinton's and all their massive power with half the money

With the odds completely against him he is taking it to the corrupt/dishonest media before and after the election

Through attacks of him we are learning how deep and corrupt our powerful administrative state of our government has become


And then there is of course this...

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/.../?page=unread#unread

Nah, the real reason he didn't serve is because he didn't measure up in the locker room.

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I have a personality disorder, I don't drink coffee...

I love Trump because I hated Obama so much. Maybe it was because he was black or maybe it was because he wasn't a Republican and possibly a muslim. Anyways, I love Trump. I love how Trump says stuff that would probably have gotten Obama impeached. If Obama had said 1/10 of the stuff Trump has said, the GOP and probably many Democrats on the right would have called for Obama's impeachment. Trump is a shit storm.

I'm guessing from this, and your name, that you are actually a child? Or you were just being sarcastic?

*who would have thought

Funny considering the bigger threat is homegrown terrorist. Yet, he seems unwell to utter those words.

I CANNOT WAIT to be able to use that in a sentence!!!

Interesting point. Can you help me understand a little more? Please define "homegrown terrorist" and provide some stats that validate your conclusion.

Homegrown/domestic. Tomato/tomahto

Domestic terrorism or homegrown terrorism is commonly associated with violent acts committed by citizens or permanent residents of a state against their own people or property within that state without foreign influence in an effort to instill fear on a population or government as a tactic designed to advance political, religious, or ideological objectives

There are currently 784 hate groups in this country. With the number of antigovernment, armed, militia hate groups growing from 149 to 1360 since 2008.

Since 9/11/01 26 people have been killed by jihadist in this country, 39 have been killed by "right wing extremists."

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source? might be dated, because I can think of two that would upend that: San Bernadino and Pulse in Orlando. Mostly I'd like to see by whom, and how, these events are classified.

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ps I think SPLC classed every TEA party group as a "hate" group.

Excellent information. Do you have a source?

What constitutes a "hate group"? For example, is "Tea Party Nation" or "American College of Pediatricians" or "Family Research Council" or "US Border Guard/US Border Guard & Border Rangers" or your list of 1360?

Also, since the score is 39 to 26, can you identify the actual instances where these people were killed?

A lot of it came from SPLC.
They keep a hate group map, white power groups, black separatists, anti LBGQT groups, etc.
Dylan Roof shooting up the church in S. Carolina is an example.

Personally, I don't have the time to look up all the research you're asking for.

Funny considering the bigger threat is homegrown terrorist. Yet, he seems unwell to utter those words.


I do find it a little amusing that there is so much attention towards foreign born terrorists, with travel bans, rhetoric and fear mongering and relatively little attention paid to the murder rates in places like Chicago, Baltimore and just about every single large city in America.


If Trump wants to make America "Great Again", shouldn't he start there?

I also cannot wait to see that that used like that !!

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Be Prepared-- Strike Swiftly -- Who Dares Wins- Without warning-"it will be hard. I can do it"

To be fair Trump has sent the "feds" into Chicago.

Take out the Google machine and type "Trump Chicago Federal". Then read any of the 20,500,000 hits. To be fair, you might know this better from asshat reporting on what Sarah Huckabee Sanders said. Because, yeah, asshats.

In a statement Friday, Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, criticized Huckabee’s comments as “tone-deaf” and “race-baiting,” comparing them to a controversial ad the National Rifle Association released earlier this week. Watts also accused Huckabee of ignoring reports showing that weak firearms laws in neighboring states have contributed to Chicago’s gun violence problem.


“Sarah Huckabee Sanders blew on that same dog whistle when she suggested that the morality of people in Chicago is the main cause of the city’s gun violence,” Watts said. “Let’s be clear about what she was really doing: she was questioning the morality of Black people. This is blatant racism. Coming from the highest office in our country, this is unacceptable. We all deserve better ― particularly the people of Chicago.”

From Politico

Adam Collins, a spokesman for Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, said on Friday that the city welcomed the additional agents, but noted the Chicago Police Department is already improving the gun violence problem. "Six months ago we made it clear that we would welcome additional federal support, and six months later we appreciate the 20 new ATF agents that are now arriving. But the progress CPD has made this year has happened without any of the new resources from the federal government we requested," Collins said.

I meeeean, they are unpleasant.

You should have chosen CNN as your source. Not only do they have the above quote, but they also trace this initiative back to President Obama. Whew. Thanks, Obama.

Asked if Trump was right to take credit for this initiative, Kevin Navarro, first deputy superintendent of the Chicago police, responded, "These discussions with the superintendent [of Chicago police] have gone back to actually November. So, we have had two administrations that the superintendent has been dealing with in terms of getting extra assistance from ATF."

Well then...

Find a new source, one that isn't tainted. One that does not use Fascist tactics to silence political opponents. One that is credible. Everyone outside of those who live on the far, way far left understand what the Southern Poverty Law Center has become.

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