Idiots!

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"The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do."

Yesterday i rode 660 miles on my bike on a very heavy trucking route across france

All the way i expect someone to pull out but what i would not do is kick their fucking door

FFS i realise it was a gold wing or something but its 3-400kg v's 1000.......that won't end well

People do not check their blind spots - that car being a case in point

White truck got fucked

It doesn't look like the asshole on the bike stopped. If he didn't I hope they catch him

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Is he an arsehole for driving off? Or some other offense?

Listening to commentary it says driver tried to cut in front of bike prior to camera rolling i.e. never checked blind spot

Biker then was a twat kicking car but car got fucked

Who in their right mind driving a car intentionally drives a car in to a motorcyclist......

I bike, i expect every idiotic move made to man and i would never kick a vehicle but the car driver is a c##t

Biker was an idiot but worse he produces is a dent. Car driver is a c##t. His actions could literally have killed the biker.

Funny reading the debates over this on the interwebs when all the video contains is the tail-end of the incident. The account of the guy who took the video was:

Teenage driver, tried to exit the carpool lane at Newhall Road in Santa Clarita . Didn't see the bike hugging the line in lane 1, almost had a collision. Biker went crazy and was coming up on passenger side of car and kicking it. Also brandished a knife to the teen driver. Teen possibly thought biker was on passenger side of car when the kick (on driver's side) in the video happened (then swerved left) because he was previously kicking the passenger side of the car. This craziness prompted the witness to start recording. People see the last few seconds of road raging biker douchebag terrorizing a teen in a car and make all kinds of stupid assumptions.

EDIT: grammar

I have to put this on the biker. In the amount of footage we see, he is the one that escalates it by kicking the car. Then after they wrecked, he keeps going and does not stop.

My first thought on seeing the car apparently swerve into the biker after the kick was 1) was that intentional to try to hit him or 2) did the driver of the car lose track of him and was actually trying to swerve away from him.

I try to assume rational thought as best I can and most people would realize that swerving into a motorcycle is likely to kill them. Far different consequence that the asshole psycho bike driver kicking a car that really was not causing any real harm.

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Car was wrong in the first place but biker could have slowed and or just flipped him the bird, but instead escalated the situation and left the scene, a total dick.

From the video , the biker is a 100% asshole. So I'll make some assumptions like you did. The driver didn't see him in his blind spot. That gives him the right to kick the drivers door and cause this accident ? Then drive off. Unless you can prove to me the driver intentionally tried to cut him off he's 100% in the wrong. Even then he would still be wrong for what he did.
This coming from someone who would probably kick a car door himself.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

The witness to the whole thing said the car didn't see motorcycle when attempting a lane change. Guy on bike started kicking passenger side of car, was threatening with a knife, then went over to driver side, kicked again and the accident happened.

Regardless of how it started, the motorcyclist committed an assault and then a hit-and-run. In Kalifornia, you do not collide with a car and leave the scene without repercussions. You also do not kick a car and get off with nothing. Hell, people have been arrested in that state for throwing drinks at cars.

The kid in the car will probably be cited for improper lane usage and that will probably be about it.

Motorcycle guy is going to jail. Mark my words.

He didn't stop, but I am guessing he needed to change his pants after that. He was incredibly lucky to make it out of that alive. I hope they catch him and if they don't I hope is learned not to do anything that stupid again.

Oh look self righteous dick on a cycle...

Guys like him most likely have done it before and will do it again....knowing well that nobody can read a MC license plate, especially if it is obscured....

If the eye-witness accounts are true, the biker escalated the situation and he should be charged.

The only thing that surprises me is that this doesn't happen more often.

Oh, this happens quite frequently where Degenerates live...it just so happens sometimes they catch them:

http://www.sfgate.com/...cars-on-11248213.php

Did any of you see the unedited video where the car illegally crossed five solid lines into the HOV lane from normal lanes. No one is allowed to do that. It wasn't just a mistake of not seeing the guy in his blind spot. The car practically killed him. He did not just cut him off as the news portrayed. the kick was just few seconds later. Obviously bad judgement since the car clearly tried to kill him a second time swerving toward him. yet all the press is about the cyclist. Wonder why the press dropped the first few seconds showing the car almost killing him? Did this make a better story?

Link to the full video somewhere?

Motorcyclist was just trying to help the car driver out by shutting his open gas cap for him.

Some knuckle head, In LA I believe, would ride around with a helmet cam and if a car upset him he'd punch their mirror or kick their car. He was so smart that he had his own youtube channel where he'd upload the videos and that's how the cops were able to figure out who he was.

Can you provide a link to that and also not call the motorcyclist a "cyclist?" Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlHf6Qp6w0U

5:22 into this guy's rant he shows the slightly longer version which shows the car coming into the hov lane illegally causing the biker to have swerve out of the way, then he kicks the car.

Sure he did not need to kick the car, but the driver of the car had no regard for his life or the law and then attempts to kill him a second time swerving into him.

ETA, if the cyclist had stayed in his lane and let the car sideswipe him, he would of been a victim, but because he swerved to avoid being hit and then tapped the car with his boot to let him know he was there, he is the villain. Hmmm.

If you watch at the very beginning you see the car cross the double yellow line and encroach on the biker, but as I've stated he could've slowed down, but instead chose to escalate the situation. Total dick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No7v2ps6ukI

I bet the driver never saw him

The reason? Wasn't watching mirrors and didn't check blind spot

Lets be clear. The dick here is the driver. Had they been paying attention none of it would have happened

Obviously the biker should not have kicked him but then the driver doubles down and tries to kill him. C$$t is what he is.

yes, you have 2 people making mistakes here. 1 person's mistake involves damage to property. The 2nd person's mistake involves an attempt to do something that is almost certain to cause death of another.

On that basis, I go with the driver's bad acts as the more egregious of the two.

Maybe the driver never saw him. Also driver not supposed to cross into the HOV lanes there.

Motorcyclist shouldn't have kicked the door. But moments after someone nearly kills you, you tend to make bad decisions.

I tend to lose my temper on my bicycle and motorcycle when people do things intentionally to cause me issues. I can somewhat relate to the biker here. But it is a bad idea when fighting with an auto.

I'm curious if I were in the same situation if I would stop or gun it and go. My official answer is that I would stop. But in the heat of the moment it may be, 'See ya.' And after the fact I can't see someone coming forward to put themselves in legal jeopardy.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Blame:
Driver 99%
Biker 1%

• the driver made a mistake on lane change and not seeing biker in blind spot - assumption.
• Biker kicked the car and the car swerved into the biker - fact.
• Car lost control and took out white avalanche(?) causing a major accident. Ruining a number of peoples days who weren't involved in this idiocy in the first place - fact
• Biker left the scene of the accident - fact.

The only intentional act to cause harm was the biker kicking the car door.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

You think the driver lost control when he turned in to the bike? Thats an assumption not a fact

He certainly lost control after hitting the bike.

The driver did not make a "mistake" on the lane change. He crossed the lanes illegally.

I think you are simply favouring an analysis that gives you a desired outcome.

Driver nearly hits bike - mistake

Driver then tries to hit bike. Hits bike and then loses control - totally fucking reckless

You think he swerved from the kick

I think it was retaliation

Yours is every bit as much of an assumption as mine but given up to that point we know the only person involved prior to the kick who had broken the law was the driver and that the biker was minding his own business i am sticking with the driver being a c$$$

I think he lost control because the biker kicked his car. But I can't say for sure. I agree we are making assumptions. But I also think your experiences riding ate leading you to want to believe the car was. 100% wrong. If more video surfaces or there's proof he went after the biker on purpose I'll easily change my mind on who is at fault.
From the video, it's a majority on biker.

Oh yea , and again he didn't stop or come forward so he looses pretty much all credibility with me.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Like I said in a previous post, eyewitnesses said that what you see in the video is only the very end of what happened. Before the video starts, the car tried to exit the carpool (HOV) lane and didn't see the motorcycle crowding the painted line. Guy on motorcycle almost crashes, then gets pissed starts road-raging on the car. He was kicking the passenger side of the car several times before the video even starts. Then what we see in the video, is where he fell back behind the car, then sped up on the driver's side and kicked it again. The kid in the car probably thought his car was getting hit again on the other side, because that was the side where the biker started the craziness. So he swerves away and loses control.

Like I said, eyewitnesses tell a completely different story than what you see when the camera starts rolling. They also said that the biker was antagonizing OTHER drivers before this one happened.

Also, you kick/punch/throw something at a moving car in California and you're going to be arrested for assault. You leave the scene of an accident and you're getting arrested for hit and run. The motorcyclist is in for a world of legal trouble when they find him.

he did not make a mistake on a lane change. there is no lane change allowed crossing 5 solid lines between regular and HOV lanes. He took incredible risk breaking the law by going into the HOV lane. Why probably because he wanted to get somewhere 5 seconds sooner.

The driver of the car intentionally swerved to try to kill the biker.

Did you actually see the five lane crossing, or are you just repeating what you read somewhere? I didn't look very hard, but I haven't seen anyone post this.

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"Go yell at an M&M"

So why is the media showing the cut version which looks like the biker just kicked the car vs the full video where is clear he is first run out his lane by the driver of the car about 1 second before kicking the car? Does the media have some anti biker sentiment?

video posted above. though I will admit to not counting that there are 5. there were at least 4.

He was obviously sitting inside the car with the driver when this went down. Otherwise, how would he know this: "The driver of the car intentionally swerved to try to kill the biker."

Have you ever swerved your car unintentionally that much? Reasonable people watching that video would draw the conclusion he was trying to hit the biker.

I don't think there is an uncut version. RZ's earlier report contained the following: "This craziness prompted the witness to start recording."

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War is god

I must be looking at something else, because just after that is only the moto and the car side-by-side. I see no lane changes whatsoever.

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"Go yell at an M&M"

I posted a longer version above. It was longer by a few seconds. it shows the car violating hov lanes forcing the bike out of their lane. I can't say there isn't an even longer version so it may have been cut too. But the media cut off a couple seconds showing what the car did to the biker. Why would they do that?

No, that's the OP's video, patf says that version is edited and a fuller version exists that shows the car driver antagonizing the biker.

That guys rant includes both versions. you have to look at the one at the time I posted and you see the car going across the HOV divider in slow motion and then the kick. so probably only a second or two before the kick, he was forced over to the other lane by the car violating HOV lanes.

My version shows both videos, including the car crossing into the hov lane forcing the guy into the next lane. he looked to be right next to the rear quarter panel. so I am not sure he could have slowed down vs being forced into the next lane. why would he expected someone to jump across the hov lanes separation.

neither videos shows anyone harassing anyone, but the longer video shows the car nearly wiping out the biker after violating the HOV lane.

So what about the video with the car crossing 5 lanes? You mentioned the car crossing 5 lanes and video of it.

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"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "

Actually, he said "five solid lines." If you look on the video, there are four lines separating the HOV lane from the rest of traffic. So, he was off by one.

FWIW, in my opinion, it does not look like the car swerved because of the kick. It looks retaliatory. It may very well have been a reflexive jerk of the wheel, but it doesn't appear that way. I split fault at 30% motorcycle for escalating and 70% car driver for retaliation.

Edited to add: I stand corrected. There are four yellow lines and one white one, so in fact, five solid lines.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

Damn, this is the first time I have ever agreed with you. I am starting to doubt myself!

Is there video of the car's driver-side wheels crossing over the five lines? I.e., is there video of the entire car illegally merging from the No. 1 lane into the carpool lane? Because all I've seen is the moment the passenger-side wheels are on the lines, which makes me think the driver drifted to the right in order to create space for the motorcycle on the left, between the car and the wall. Why the driver did that I have no idea, but that's all I see here.

My opinion (not that anyone asked): Both the driver and rider are a**holes who deserve each other and the poor white Escalade(?) driver has all my sympathy in the world for getting caught up in the other two's bullsh*t.

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War is god

How about an eyewitness account? http://www.latimes.com/...-20170623-story.html

FWIW, the eyewitness, who shot the video, says the car was in the HOV lane 150 feet ahead and the motorcycle was in Lane No. 1, when the car came across the divider into Lane No. 1 -- opposite to what I was envisioning, but no less illegal. The video picks up after the initial contact of the car into the motorcycle and a kick from the motorcycle to the car's passenger side. When the video finally gets rolling, the motorcycle has slowed and come around to the other side of the car to kick the driver's side. It still looks like the swerve left is retaliatory to me. I still apportion more responsibility to the driver than to the motorcyclist, but I agree, they are both major dicks.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson

Thanks for the clarification. There are way too many differing accounts bouncing around, all except one by people who weren't there. I've lost track and you've brought me some clarity - thanks.

Agreed wholeheartedly on the retaliatory interpretation.

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War is god

That does not seem to agree with the video I posted. I.e. the car crossed into the HOV and not out of the HOV. Also, just a couple seconds after pushing the driver over he kicked the door.

So was the video altered (didn't look like it.) or did the report get all details of that story wrong. or did the car try to run him over twice, once from each direction crossing the lanes twice.

Your video picks up with the car mostly in the HOV lane on the lines. It's moving to the left, but there's no way to tell if the car is continuing movement from the regular lane into HOV, or if it is merely aborting it's move from HOV to regular lane and thus moving back to the center of the HOV lane.

I also understand from the story that there were two movements by the car into the motorcycle -- one when the cycle was in the non-HOV lane (on the car's right side) and one on the left (right before the car loses control). I also understand that there were two kicks -- one to the passenger side and one to the driver side. Reread the article -- the first swerve (apparently unintentional) and the first kick were not captured on the video, but prompted the cameraman to pull out his phone and start filming. Apparently, the film picks up after the motorcycle swooped behind the car and to its left.

The story seems completely consistent with what we see on the video.

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''The enemy isn't conservatism. The enemy isn't liberalism. The enemy is bulls**t.''

—Lars-Erik Nelson