They look like dual piston mechanical Trp Spyre brakes to me, which are inferior to rim brakes in the dry but generally better in the wet.

Integrated front end looks better than the standard Slice.

Good news for Potts that he's not on Gatorskins this year.

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Sadly no.

Guess everyone is glued to the P5X right now.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...st=last-6097254#last

i saw that too. it interesting. I like Cannondale. they have put out good bikes for a long time. I do wonder wth they are doing for tri/TT though. the original Slice was a classic. they sold a bunch of them even before Chrissie won her titles. that bike had legs. then the RS {thud}. then the "more palatable" current model {does it make a sound if nobody hears it?}. and now this. I'm not sure they are moving forward.






I really do wonder about the disc thing. maybe it takes off. I'm sure it will at $10K plus. but if you're where the market seems to be, which is $2K to $5K, the cost of the bike plus training wheels plus any variety of race wheels is pretty significant. different depths ain't cheap and attaching the brake system to the wheel just makes the wheel pricier.


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Very subtle changes. Good catch. Wonder why they still haven't released anything and it's just now being noticed with all the new bikes rolling out this week and people on the lookout for changes.

Agreed.
I like it though. Super simple, straightforward. Like the P2/3, the QR range, etc. But as a top of the line bike for $10k, it just doesn't make sense. This update is nice, but also doesn't make much sense. I doubt it tests much faster - couldn't you take the current low end Slice and put something like the TriRig Alpha or Pro Missile bars on it and have basically the same thing? That's what this looks like. The P4-like shapes are odd, as in, that's a very old design. Very sound, but in a way a step back.

I'm also wary of the disc brake thing. Don't really understand the advantage. It does open up wheel design though, since there doesn't need to be a brake track, so shapes can be varied like we haven't seen yet. Maybe that's where the innovation lies and it's just a matter of time. Still, I have yet to see someone in real life get on a new bike and new wheels and go any faster, without improved fitness.

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May I ask where the $10k price figures are coming from? This isn't directed at you, you're just the second our third person who has mentioned this.

$9,590 CAD. So ~$8500 USD.

http://www.cannondale.com/...p;parentid=undefined

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BRING BACK THE SLICE RS!

This is just awful.

I see Potts traded Gatorskins for disc brakes. *%$#^***? Are dollars from sponsorship clouding aero/speed sense?

i said $10K as many top-ends are now north of that number. Cannondale's current top-tier Slice is $10,660. it was not in direct reference to the bike in the picture, though ... with the ENVE wheels, FSA cranks, cool bar, cost of frame, etc, I'm sure that one would retail for over $10K too.

I really do not think rim shapes will change due to disc brakes, just look at the cross section of a firecrest rim and tell me that the brake track affects the shape. They just do not have flat brake tracks anyway, so that area is already free to shape as needed.

What is an advantage of disc brakes is the wheel and fork interaction, you can get lots of space between the fork and the side of the rim, since you do not need all that brake hardware close to the rim in this area. Even very good integrated designs, like on the trek sc, require you to block a bunch of flow between the fork and the rim in this area. Does this freedom make up for the drag of calipers and disks sticking out in the rim and the extra spokes on the rim? My first guess would be no, but the flow in this area is complicated since there is air attached to the wheel going backwards relative to the bike motion in this area.

Exactly - disc brakes allow total freedom near the top of the fork where there is a lot going on with flow.
These companies aren't stupid, I'm sure if they are putting disc brakes on their bikes than they have done their (aerodynamic) homework.

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You sure about that? This is the very same Cannondale that killed a semi-fast bike (the RS) and replaced it with a slow as balls non-UCI legal frame.

New Ritchey mount seatpost too instead of that goofy looking thing they had before. Still not interested in a slower bike though.

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Yeah. Thats the old Slice. Not the one in the photo above. We have no idea what it will cost.

But it would behoove them to not do something as ridiculous as Cervelo.

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No it isn't. There is no Slice on the market with disc brake or that rear triangle.

This is disappointing. However, I'm not 100% sure this is their new bike. I've been told by my rep that they are designing something new and have been for a bit, but they weren't able to get it ready for Kona. He said probably after the new year.

Also I was reading they hired Damon Rinard (?) from Cervelo like two years ago. No way they hire him and then come out with this bike which is not much different from what they had and doesn't have anything to stand out amongst the other bikes that look like this.

Maybe this is just something they did for pros and the new bike is coming out early 2017? I'm hoping at least, I really want to see something new from them, but way better than this

I was replying to the poster above who provided this link as evidence of the Cannondale pictured above as being "$10K".

http://www.cannondale.com/en/Canada/Bike/ProductDetail?Id=c431acf6-bcb4-42f9-a65c-a40dddbbdc5d&parentid=undefined


The bike in that link is not the bike above. Like I originally said.

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FWIW, Mini-Phinney said one of the reasons he signed with Cannondale - Drapac was so he could work with them on designing their new TT frame. If accurate, it would seem something else is coming eventually.

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Hmmm...I have Spyres on my "multi-surface" bike, and they work VERY well in the dry. And my rim brakes/Hed Jet Black combo on my road bike works every bit as well in the wet.

So, I guess I'm going to have to disagree with your assertions on both points ;-)

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Wishful thinking...ENVE already took a swing at that, and still ended up with wheels that as a system are slower and heavier than their previous iterations.

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Yeah...boy, those brake shoes really DO block off a ton of flow and limit the fork crown shape, huh?

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Not buying it...nearly ANY change you'd like to make to the fork crown area of a bike could be also made with a well-integrated rim braking solution. See the pic above.

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The problem I had was that, unlike Avid BB5 or BB7, the Spyres mount without conical washers. So if the post mounts are slightly off the caliper is nigh-on impossible to centre over the rotor.

Subjective I know, but I 'felt' dry braking was better with my ancient Shimano 105 dual pivots.

I haven't tried the Hed Black wheels - a bit out of budget for a poor opera singer like myself... I don't doubt that their wet braking performance is excellent!

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Have you seen comparative data between traditional and disc versions of the ENVE wheels?

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My comment was referring to not only Cannondale but to the other manufacturers as well who have chosen to use disc brakes on their new tri bikes.
I agree that the RS and the most recent iteration of the slice were a bit disappointing.

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but then you have to deal with those annoying brakes

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Nice machine, great photo showing what can be done.

But, I'm curious, what bike is this?

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Are disc brakes going to be allowed in Kona this year?

Look, I am not saying it is definitely true, but it is possible. The flow here could be very complicated with the wheel in this area moving relatively against airflow. Does it mean these brake shoes make a disproportional impact on drag? Because clearly just looking at these things in isolation, first guess is that the calipers and brake discs would cause significantly more drag than these brake shoes and pads.

Of course, maybe what I am getting at is that we need aeroshaped brake shoes and pads.

Besides "all up mass" (which the disc wheelset is STILL ~300g heavier, despite the rims being lighter)? No....and I wonder why we haven't seen that? ;-)

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Hmmm...I don't recall mine mounting with conical washers. And I just re-centered my calipers the other day when I swapped wheels on that bike...just loosened caliper bolts, squeezed lever, tightened bolts.

Good wet performance doesn't necessarily require the Hed Blacks though...regular aluminum tracks mated with Kool Stop Salmon pads work nearly as well.

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That's not the point...the SC brakes are just one implementation.

What if ALL of the engineering horsepower that's being spent on trying to figure out how to make disc brakes viable on a TT/Tri machine from an aero standpoint was just put into creating/refining a well thought-out rim solution (hydro, anyone?) that had the same shoe presentation?

There's a lot of possible performance being left on the table in the rush to switch to separate braking discs...

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Speed Concept, apparently. It's one of the first photos I found when searching on "Speed Concept Fork" ;-)

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"Hmmm...I don't recall mine mounting with conical washers. And I just re-centered my calipers the other day when I swapped wheels on that bike...just loosened caliper bolts, squeezed lever, tightened bolts."


You didn't mount them with conical washers because Spyres don't come with them, and if you used them the pad would sit too high on the disc and would wear unevenly, over time possibly resulting in the two pads touching at the top and brake failure. Which would be bad.

But I digress.

Obviously your frame and fork has nicely-faced post mounts (mine doesn't) so the caliper can line up correctly.

Would that all framesets were so..... Fortunately Park Tool has recognized this and recently released a facing tool for disc brake mounts.

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The elevated aerobars do not seem to fit Andy Potts position as seen on his usual Cannondale Slice.

That bike is $4499.99 in the US.

http://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Bike/ProductDetail?Id=ec6465f7-9dc6-46af-88f2-1b576d0904bc&parentid=undefined


Not sure why it's so much more expensive in Canada.

Fixed it for you ;)

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Oh weird.
It seems they have dropped a few models? There was definitely a Black model for $10k.

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Aaand I found it. Hi-Mod Black Inc.: $10,660 USD.
http://www.cannondale.com/...ee-93e9-816d3986164e

Write up on AeroGeeks describing pricing: http://aerogeeks.com/...le-slice-first-look/

Google the model, many bike shops selling it for around that price.

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From tririg's facebook feed.

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Over the past year, Cannondale has really dropped the MSRP of the various Slice models. The aerogeeks story is from 2014, and I think the prices they list have been out-of-date for the past year (I think Cannondale dropped Slice prices last fall). The Hi-Mod DA has gone from ~8,000 (Fall 2014) to ~5,200 (Fall 2015) to ~4,500 (Fall 2016).

On the Nytro website, they list the Ultimate for $7,000 (but no availability). Not sure who is currently trying to sell an Ultimate for $10,660. I did a quick Google search and I couldn't find anyone with an Ultimate in stock for that price. If I had to guess, I think the new bike might be the new "Ultimate" model from Cannondale.

Unless I am missing something, that is amazingly bad.

There is simply no way that most bike frames will have perfect disc brake mounting surfaces (heck, many--maybe most--frames don't even have properly aligned dropouts !) so I can't imagine having disc brakes where you cannot (via conical washers) adjust the caliper position.

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All those improvements (integrated front end, deeper head tube, aero chainrings, non-gatorskin tires), only to add a beard and disc brakes. Oh well. Soon he'll slowly convert completely to a recumbent rider with a helmet mirror and orange safety flag.

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Don't forget the Bont shoes. He was wearing the Shimano shoes with huge straps prior to these Bonts.

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All data points to beard being aero neutral http://www.bikeradar.com/...a-beard-video-41144/

Affirmative. Shave your legs, shave your arms... but when it comes to the face the air don't care.

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There appears to be very little 'fresh air' around the tyre below the fork crown on the new Cannondale, so that's a myth busted in short order.

The Industry just sat around a big table and decided that now was the time to push disc brakes into the triathlon market; how hard can it be to make MAMILs buy more sh1t?

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All I want to contribute is that that paint scheme is TIGHT. Simple but eye catching at same time. If only they'd offer that green to the general public and not only the pros! Maybe with the new model they will...

Found the bearded guy.

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I'm not sure conical washers are needed unless something is really off. There is enough of a slot on the caliper itself to adjust the brake to get you close and then the pistons themselves can be adjusted separately to deal with any offset that is left (actually a pretty nice setup). Now, if you have a mounting surface that is not square with the rotor then yeah that's crap, but even with conical washers that's going to be crap to setup.

Like Tom I have Spyres on one of my bikes and find the setup just fine. Also, the brakes work pretty damn good in the dry and wet.

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'user error' is often a factor when I am wrenching on my own bikes. It could well be my own mistake, but I couldn't get them working properly.

Ah well. I've got the Avid BB5 brakes nicely dialled in now.

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Nope, no beard. The data is fairly clear on this one, it's optional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkmCLOjk2h8

He hasn't shaved his legs either yet. Hippy.


Given that he's riding oversize pulleys and speedplay pedals he's probably paying attention to detail.

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Its the Black, not the Ultimate. Cdale still shows it on the landing page but the link has been mooted.

http://www.cannondale.com/...e-93e9-816d3986164e#

I've been browsing for a new bike. The Cannondale website has been a wreck recently.

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'user error' is a factor for everyone, as we all have our moments. ;)

The spyres are nice but an issue I found with mine is that due to the dual lever design it makes the caliper very wide. This is going to cause issues with some hubs and mine came darn close. When I had the front centered, without offsetting the pistons, I had ~1mm clearance on the spokes. I actually had to offset my front caliper as far to the NDS and then adjust the pistons to get even brake pad contact. Even then I am barely looking at 2mm of clearance.

I had BB7s on my Kona back in 2000ish, I really preferred them to my v-brakes; however, the dual piston setup of the Spyre really is a lot nicer and I found it a bit easier to setup. Stinks it didn't workout for you, but glad you found a substitute that works well.

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Other than the disc brakes, I'm surprised there's not more love for what looks like a modern update of the P4, influenced by someone who was involved with the original P4.

And it's possible this thing will have a rim brake option.

I'm a little surprised at the apparent lack of any integrated storage. Seems to go squarely against current market trends. Genius move that attracts the minimalists, or potentially fatal flaw that knocks them off the consideration list of most long-format racers?

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as well about the P4 similarities...although, I would like to see what it looks like in a normal person sized frame , since all the pics are of the "Sasquatch" sized frame ;-)

Full hydro rim brakes would make it a pretty sweet option IMHO and might make it my favorite of the newly revealed bikes. So far the one I like most is the Cube...not sure why, but maybe it's because it's how they dropped the seatstays so far that they remind me of elevated chainstays ;-)

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Ah, you're right. Not sure why I mixed up "Black" with "Ultimate".
The link you provided appears to be an older cached version: e.g. on that link, the price of the Dura Ace DI2 Hi-Mod is 7990 (2014 price), whereas on the current US website it's listed as 4500. Seems like Cannondale needs to do some cleanup on their website.

agreed. there seem to be a lot of dead links. I hope / assume that is in prep for their new launches. this new Slice, if there is a rim brake version with a good price. that would go on my list. Cdale is a great company.

+1. It's a P4 without (presumably) the stopping issues. Discs might be overkill, though.

I'm firmly in the minimalist camp. If I was looking for an all-round tri bike that didn't make me look like a total dork in sprint and oly races (ahem, most of the bikes released in the last couple of weeks), this would be a good option.

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If they offer this with rim brakes I'd consider picking one up provided they offer it in C-dale green :)

Almost 10k for a di2 build without carbon wheels....they better do some more market evaluation and re-vamp their price list

The obvious solution some of these bike makers haven't figured out yet is to offer minimalist frames with bolts all over the frame for people to add as much storage or bottles as they want. Then the frame builder also makes the storage solutions in house so they fit perfectly and match all the color schemes of the bike. And if you don't use the bolt, one of those slim plastic caps that covers the bolt hole, color matched to the frame. You want lime green storage on the top tube, above the bb, behind the seatpost, and in front of the downtube trailing the front wheel to match your lime green C-dale? Here it is for $25 per item (profit!) Don't want it? Don't buy it. Want it sometimes and not others? Just remove it. Want the new P5x beam bike but don't want that pot belly? Remove it. Why in the world would you build that as part of the frame forever when the same thing could be done with a couple of bolts and some plastic? You could have the same frame platform and modify the heck out of it for whatever you want to do with it. You could essentially have the Andean in full aero from bolt-ons looking the same from 100 feet and nobody could tell the difference. And then also sell a heck of a lot more frames to people that don't want all that stuff.

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As has been pointed out, that's the old Slice, not the new one. Also if you go into an actual Cannondale dealer right now, the prices are much, much lower than that. The Ultegra Di2 model is around $3K.

agreed. with all the craziness going on with other bikes, the more i look at this one, the more i love the simplicity....and of course that paint job. straight fire!

I didn't actually think they are well enough organised to sit around a table together; these are the same companies that tried to simplify the BB standard from BSA/Italian...to how many types now

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If the bike has similar aerodynamics as the P4 (I wonder why they didn't put an integrated storage solution similar to the P4 bottle though), Cannondale might propel themselves into the spotlight tomorrow. Without Gatorskins and with a better frame and aero setup, Andy Potts might just about gap the ~5 mins he lost to Frodeno and Kienle on the bike last year and duke it out with Frodeno on the run. Should be interesting tomorrow ...

Heather Jackson is riding a regular Cannondale Slice at Kona 2016

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Does this mean Potts Cannondale is a one type prototype?

Word is he (Potts) is riding his old rim brake version tomorrow.

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There was also an instagram post by from one of the mechanics from ceramic speed saying that the bike should never have been photographed and that he didn't have the time to make the call at the time for them not to photograph it.

I'm also assuming that he isn't racing on it due to the neutral wheel support offered. They will obviously only be carrying rim brake options. Good luck to those cervelo and diamondback riders.

Strange - there must be better times and places to do stealthy undercover testing than Kona the week before the world championships.

I see the neutral support argument, but I can also imagine some calls from Cervelo's lawyers to Cannondale.

At least they painted it a low key color that wouldn't attract a lot of attention. 🙄

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If the disc brakes weren't also thru axle, they technically could get a neutral wheel - just have no brakes on that wheel!

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I'm not buying that this is their new bike. My rep said it's coming out after the new year and Taylor Phinney has also said Cannondale is working on a new bike he'll be involved in.

I'm just not buying it. This bike isn't all that different from the current slice and it's also so far behind all these other new bikes it just doesn't make sense.

I'm holding out until after the new year to see if a new bike is in the works.

Maybe for a front, but not a rear...different spacing on the rear (135 vs 130) for QR disc.

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Ah, it'll squeeze in.

Yep.
Also, probably not the front either: a disc brake wheel needs dish so the spokes clear the caliper.

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Andy was also photographed riding the bike.

If this isn't the bike, then they absolutely wanted the photos taken for publicity.

(disclosure: I am prone to conspiracy theories)
I have come around to this way of thinking. Cannondale has released two duds since the last 'good' Slice. they missed the market in aesthetics and then in areo / storage.

then they got Damon. now they have Phinney. they need something to remind the world that they still exist (the noted price drops online are indicative of weak demand). so they take some of their test mules, which I hope we'll see in Prod, and they have their pros ride them around. good press, wetted appetites, and some positive buzz.

$0.02

There was nothing positive about the "TEST MULE" that Potts was riding around on.

I think it was a case of the athletes getting them too late/not being confident on the bike or something because mechanics were seen switching some(all?) of the Cannondale athletes over to their old rides during the week.

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If this isn't the bike, then they absolutely wanted the photos taken for publicity.

Maybe a very low cost way of obtaining customer feedback of a working prototype? If the new Slice has to please the professional road cyclists, then I would not expect Cannondale to design this new frame with the stock storage capacity of the new P5X or Diamondback model.

Wait...the rim is still centered over the locknuts, so you can still put a non-disc front wheel in a disc fork, no?

The other way around (disc wheel into a non-disc fork would only fit if the fork leg doesn't interfere with the disc (likely)

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Yep, the rim is still centered, but the disc brake caliper will probably interfere with the spokes of a rim brake wheel.

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I just checked it out...you're right. I guess all spare fronts should be H3s then ;-)

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There's HED, being futuristic again... LOL

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Interesting...

Hope the new Slice has an option to obtain something like this:
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a removable storage unit that fits over the bottom bracket. This Wedgie unit was tested in the A2 wind tunnel and produced less drag than a downtube bottle/cage combination. Even more if one uses a suboptimum rear storage unit.

With a rider on board? How did it compare to BTA bottle and top tube mounted "aero bento"?

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I don't have all the data. Ask Tom at Wedgie--checkout the facebook listing or the A2 wind tunnel.

I, for one, am excited to see this new model. I'm a complete Cannondale fanboy (there are a dozen c'dales in the garage - shared among the family, of course :-) )... and yet I eagerly await the day I can replace my Slice RS frame. I have learned to wrench the RS bike like nobody's business, yet the painful cabling paths put too much friction on the system and the bike suffers from brakes that may or may not be rubbing. Really annoying when you are in the middle of a 112 mile ride (or a 40km for that matter)... :-(

If disk brakes move 1% towards a better adjustment/reliability (and stopping power), I am in. I'd even be interested in a hydraulic system... (wouldn't that improve cable routing?).

Apart from the brakes, the RS is painful to fit my 6'-3" long-legged frame. I see Potts is the same height, and his risers seem as extraordinary as mine. I pray Cannondale considers reintroducing the 60cm, or at least a stack/reach system that works. I like the idea of thru axles.

To me, the above bike looks like a frame refresh of the Slice, and will perhaps come in disk and rim options. But, since I was all about to bail on C'dale when it came to Triathlon, I am happy to see progress (thanks, Damon?) and look forward to the bike's introduction. I wonder if it will be ready for St. Croix in May '17? There is no way I am packing the RS for the trip, but I'd take a new Slice over my Evo if possible.

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Hi TriSliceRS,

Glad you like your Cannondales!

Andy is helping us by riding this prototype as part of our development process. Our goal is the best tri bike ever, but I'm not at liberty to say much about it yet.

Your experience with your rim brakes is one of the reasons you'll like hydraulics: they're less sensitive to cable routing. Which means we can design for aero performance, not cable path constraints.

And if you're about Pott's size, I think you'll also like the sizing. Dunno about St. Croix; we haven't set a launch date yet.

Cheers,
Damon

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CSG Road Engineering Department
Cannondale & GT Bicycles
(ex-Cervelo, ex-Trek, ex-Velomax, ex-Kestrel)

Dear Damon,

Please:
1. Use the 3T Revo base bar :)
2. Include tilt adjustment with the base bar (there's a simple way that hasn't been patented... though one other member on here has dibs :)
3. Give us an aero neutral (or positive) flat kit for either the bottom bracket or rear of the seat tube
4. Put bottle bosses on the back side of the seat tube so we can put a draft box back there if we want to
5. Offer it in Cannondale Green... frameset if possible

Thanks :)

You make that bike with regular hidden brakes and I'm sold. Not many of us want to invest in another set of ridiculously expensive wheels.
Ps, I have a System Six, Synapse HiMod(my favorite road bike), Scalpel, Habit Se and a Super X. I'd love to replace my speed concept with a cannondale tt bike

You make a good point with the wheel switch over... I presume I'd be able to re-lace my race wheels for disc compatible hubs (except for the disc wheel - that would a painful replacement)... Regular hydraulic hidden brakes would work for me too (makes me nostalgic for my 2001 C'dale "Road Warrior" with Magura hydraulic brakes :-) ).

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Re-lacing depends on spoke count. Probably need at least 20 for the front.

Hi Damon,

Appreciate you providing some information on the new Cannondale Slice. I am currently riding a 2013 Cannondale Slice which has served me well but am in the market for a new triathlon bike so excited to see what is next in line for Cannondale. I also have a hi-mod Evo roadie which I love.

I have to agree with some of the other members on this thread in saying that the idea of optional integration is something that most brands haven't embraced yet. The ability to easily your bike for anything from a simple olympic distance set up to a 140.6 and everything in between, plus long training rides, would be a great selling point especially on a light and aero frame like that prototype that will be attractive for all courses and also comfortable for long days in the saddle. Cannondale specific optional integrated extras such as a bento box, front aero bottle, spares storage, dual frame cage braze ons etc would be a highly attractive proposition!

Best of luck with the new project.

Cheers

Came across this on Instagram, the new Slice.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOwwlWAjPd-/

Also sorry in advance for not knowing how to post an imbedded Instagram post

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Looks nice. The evolution of a very good bike.

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Good find

Super Slice under Cannondale Drapec today with disc brakes

http://www.cyclingnews.com/...o-adriatico-gallery/

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Not quite the impressive result I'm sure they were hoping for...

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could have been worse, could be the couple of teams beaten by Sky even with wheels exploding

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its a highly disappointing effort IMO.

can anyone explain to me why i would EVER want disc-brakes on a TT bike?

makes no sense to me. rim brakes on hed jet brake great and are more aero.

what i was hoping for in the next slice RS was a seatpost that doesn't slip and a bike that's easier to fly with.

I'll give them points for:
-long/low geometry (looks like it)
-intelligent front brake routing
-general good looks

I'll take points away for:
-near complete absence of storage or accommodation thereof
-not using the Revo base bar

Undecided:
-disc brakes (I would never use cable disc brakes though)

Agreed, I wouldn't use cable disc brakes either. That's a fail in my book.

Why not? Well set up cable-actuated discs actually work quite well, especially when used with rigid-link housings. The TRP Spyres also have equal pad movement, unlike Avid brakes.

If you're going to use discs, it's a completely valid option. Anyone who tells you that they can't be anywhere near is good as hydraulic models is either ignorant or blowing smoke.

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I wasn't aware of that. All of the ones I've used/seen have had one stationary pad. The feel of those brakes is sub-optimal, IMO, compared to a fully hydraulic system. You have to adjust the caliper so the stationary pad is as close to the rotor as possible or it doesn't feel great. Having to keep that tight clearance makes it prone to rub if it comes slightly out of true.

I wasn't aware of that ether.

What would you want storage on a TT bike for ? they only carry a single water bottle. Apart from the disc brakes it looks like a UCI TT bike.

That describes every Cannondale-Drapac race result, ever. (including Garmin before that).

It is a UCI TT bike. Unless I'm seriously missing something here.

Edit...and for the storage question. It's not useful for UCI racing, but there are plenty of long TTs out there, up to 24-hour and beyond. And of course triathlon.

That didn't stop Trek from making a very fast TT bike that also had provisions for lots of storage.

I'm not quite sure how that relates to my Cannondale-Drapac team performance joke...

But, I, for one, am OK with Cannondale (and others) staking out a space for minimalist TT bikes without much in the way of internal compartments for storage or really complex proprietary brake setups.

Of course it still has to be fast, which we haven't seen yet. And, personally, I'd need a rim brake version. I might be OK with disc sometime in the future. But I'm not there yet.

Shimano doesn't make a hydraulic brake lever for TT bars. I don't know if anyone does.

No one does yet which is why you see the TRP brakes on the Andean, P5-X, and Cannondale.

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I guess we'll go with "ignorance" then ;-) Here's a short summary of some options, although the Spyres are the only one with dual pad action:

http://www.gravelbike.com/...e-roundup/#more-6670

BTW, on the Spyres, I don't bother with the separate pad adjusters...I just leave them both out all the way and use the cable adjuster alone for pad spacing (after centering the caliper, of course).

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