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Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town
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So, it finally happened near my home here in Charlotte. Black guy is shot by the police who say he brandished a gun upon exiting a car and did not drop it when ordered to do so. The daughter live streams the aftermath on Facebook for over an hour. Within hours, the thugs and hooligans show up to create whatever sort of chaos can be created to facilitate looting and stealing. Many of these people are so out of touch they are still using the 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot!' meme. Most businesses downtown are sending employees home early before a planned demonstration tonight.

Fortunately, there are body and dash cams, although they are not yet released.

Stay tuned.

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Buy guns and ammo.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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If it hasn't all been stolen or looted already

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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Here I thought you were talking about your mayor and city council not being flexible with our governor on the bathroom bill.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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Last night we had the opposite happen. A cop car's automated license plate reader caught a BMW with expired registration. When they tried to pull the woman over she ran. When they finally got her stopped in front of a house on a major local street she locked the doors and refused to get out of the car. Before it was all over they had broken the passenger's window and dragger out of the car by her ankles while she screamed and cussed at them. All of that was filmed by the home owner that she stopped in front of.

Home owner is black
Driver is black
Cop 1 is white
Cop 2 is white
Several backup cops were of different races

No one on Long Island is losing their shit over this one. In fact the video is up on Facebook and most people are wondering why the cops didn't bounce the woman around a little more just for good measure.

So maybe there is some hope.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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Here's the NY times article talking about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/...police-shooting.html

Interesting that they don't mention the race of the cop that shot the guy. Hmmm.... why is that?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [EndlessH2O] [ In reply to ]
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Hah! Yeah, quite a turn of events on that, hey? The governor and others come up with a way to make everybody happy until some democrat calls around to all of the democratic council members telling them not to do the compromise because they want to continue using the issue as a campaign point to get McCrory out of office. So, he gets villified for being a guy that can 'reach across the aisle'.


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Here I thought you were talking about your mayor and city council not being flexible with our governor on the bathroom bill.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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last tri in 83 wrote:
Buy guns and ammo.

Well stocked....

;-D

Greg

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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Hah! Yeah, quite a turn of events on that, hey? The governor and others come up with a way to make everybody happy until some democrat calls around to all of the democratic council members telling them not to do the compromise because they want to continue using the issue as a campaign point to get McCrory out of office. So, he gets villified for being a guy that can 'reach across the aisle'.


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Here I thought you were talking about your mayor and city council not being flexible with our governor on the bathroom bill.

It amazes me that this wouldn't have been an issue if the mayor and city council of Chapel Hill had passed an ordinance like this. We all (and the state reps) would have seen this for what it is/was - "Ah, that's Chapel Hill for you" would have been the response. Instead, the in-coming Charlotte mayor, who made it the key issue in her platform, is able to get it passed (against state law). Why did Charlotte voters not ask her about more pressing issues like Charlotte-Mecklenburg school funding or race relations?
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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It's ok for blacks to loot and riot.

We all know they aren't capable of civilized behavior.

Right, Barry?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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Why would they lose their shit? She wasn't shot, she wasn't beaten, she was forcibly dragged from the car.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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You should be fine. The oppressed burn and loot their own neighborhood.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Hillary, I guess knowing she has no LEO support basically sided with the BLM. The Tulsa incident clearly looks like murder at this point. Charlotte doesn't. She seems a lot smarter at watching what she says compared to Obama. Because she referred to the Tulsa victim as unarmed, but not the charlotte one. However, did Bonnie and Clyde's family deserve condolences and prayers?

Weird.


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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [BLeP] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting that they don't mention the race of the cop that shot the guy. Hmmm.... why is that?


I read it and they did mention the race of the cop, so it's not very interesting at all. What's interesting/unfathomable is the point that you are trying to make.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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For some reason, I don't think a video of the perp having a gun in his hand will make one bit a difference to some.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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did Bonnie and Clyde's family deserve condolences and prayers?

Of course, every one does.

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Weird.
Yup, Christianity is pretty weird.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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Prayers are not just for Christians. Maybe he was referring to Islamic prayers?
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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If you think she is a good Christian you are more brainwashed than I imagined. Democrats certainly don't value that trait. So why would she even bother unless she was pandering to blacks not likely to get Out and vote for her.


Even Obama is worried about something I called before this whole thing started.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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You didn't ask about Clinton, you asked about the rationale for intercessory prayer. (Remember Bonnie and Clde's family?) As for the rest of your post:

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Democrats certainly don't value that trait.

You are simply wrong, and offensively so. Please step out of your little bubble, and come to my church. You'll find folks of all political persuasions are welcome. In the meantime, I would suggest that denigrating the faith of 10's of millions of people is pretty low, even by the extremely low standards of the LR.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
You didn't ask about Clinton, you asked about the rationale for intercessory prayer. (Remember Bonnie and Clde's family?) As for the rest of your post:

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Democrats certainly don't value that trait.


You are simply wrong, and offensively so. Please step out of your little bubble, and come to my church. You'll find folks of all political persuasions are welcome. In the meantime, I would suggest that denigrating the faith of 10's of millions of people is pretty low, even by the extremely low standards of the LR.

(Please God, grant me patience...)

Mrs. Duffy and I (and the little one) went a Unitarian service (long story about our brief search for "something more") and they were most definitely left leaning democrats… and freaks of God.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Were you molested?
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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Were you molested?

If you consider hearing a half hour of union worker propaganda during a sermon to be molestation, then yes, she (the minister) touched me in my dirty places.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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This bullshit happened close to my house yesterday that had the streets tied up all day. The dumbass burgular hit a hydrant, was ejected from the car and died. His stupid family and friends cried the police did not need to shoot at him and a few of them were trying to duke it out with some of the officers. One or two were arrested.
http://abc7.com/...aos-unfolds/1518770/


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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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If these cops were wrong prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Where is the outrage for the approximately 44 other people that were murdered yesterday?

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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CNN is showing the stand down now. A number of people are so upset that they had to loot a store because of the injustice...

I also saw a great girl for Dave Luscan. A white girl is standing in front of the police with her hands in the air, not sure what that means. Not sure if she is wearing a button but looks like a match made in heaven.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Old Hickory wrote:
You should be fine. The oppressed burn and loot their own neighborhood.

The pain and rage caused by centuries of marginalization will generally not fit into the expectations of the non marginalized.
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CNN is showing the stand down now. A number of people are so upset that they had to loot a store because of the injustice...

I also saw a great girl for Dave Luscan. A white girl is standing in front of the police with her hands in the air, not sure what that means. Not sure if she is wearing a button but looks like a match made in heaven.
I saw a few with their hands up. There was a blomde chick with her left arm up while smoking with the right. You puff girl!


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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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Even better, A guy here in Texas got pulled over and live streamed his traffic stop. To include showing everyone that he had a little coke and weed to hid while the cop was distracted. He refused to give his ID, Insurance, demanded to only talk to the supervisor, and to make it better had outstanding warrants on him. People watching the live stream ended up seeing what the police go through and thought they handled it great.

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Last night we had the opposite happen. A cop car's automated license plate reader caught a BMW with expired registration. When they tried to pull the woman over she ran. When they finally got her stopped in front of a house on a major local street she locked the doors and refused to get out of the car. Before it was all over they had broken the passenger's window and dragger out of the car by her ankles while she screamed and cussed at them. All of that was filmed by the home owner that she stopped in front of.

Home owner is black
Driver is black
Cop 1 is white
Cop 2 is white
Several backup cops were of different races

No one on Long Island is losing their shit over this one. In fact the video is up on Facebook and most people are wondering why the cops didn't bounce the woman around a little more just for good measure.

So maybe there is some hope.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [FindinFreestyle] [ In reply to ]
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FindinFreestyle wrote:
Old Hickory wrote:
You should be fine. The oppressed burn and loot their own neighborhood.


The pain and rage caused by centuries of marginalization will generally not fit into the expectations of the non marginalized.

Alright! Looks who's back!!!!
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting that they don't mention the race of the cop that shot the guy. Hmmm.... why is that?


I read it and they did mention the race of the cop, so it's not very interesting at all. What's interesting/unfathomable is the point that you are trying to make.

Yeah apparently I missed that. It was buried pretty deep in the article.

If the cop was white it would have been in the headline.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [travelmama] [ In reply to ]
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I saw a few with their hands up. There was a blomde chick with her left arm up while smoking with the right. You puff girl!

I saw her too. I'm not sure why her hands were up.

When I see white people demonstrating like that, I wonder what they think of when they see people looting stores like the ones last night, or jumping on cars and smashing them. Do they ever ask themselves why they are supporting this kind of thing?

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [Old Hickory] [ In reply to ]
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Alright! Looks who's back!!!!

LOL. I think he gets a notification from the LR whenever the word "black" is mentioned in a sentence. It usually isn't long before he makes some comment about the barbarity of police and the innocent black victims.

I do wonder if he also supports the looting and destroying of police cars or if that too is justified...

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You didn't ask about Clinton, you asked about the rationale for intercessory prayer. (Remember Bonnie and Clde's family?) As for the rest of your post:

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Democrats certainly don't value that trait.


You are simply wrong, and offensively so.
Please step out of your little bubble, and come to my church. You'll find folks of all political persuasions are welcome. In the meantime, I would suggest that denigrating the faith of 10's of millions of people is pretty low, even by the extremely low standards of the LR.

(Please God, grant me patience...)

I was being sarcastic, but I've yet to meet a rabid atheist who also was a republican. Look at the ones here with hard ons for every religious debate imaginable taking the side of atheism and they are all liberals.

Pardon me if I take most of your comments with a grain of salt when it comes to things not typically associated with liberalism. You think I live in a Bubble is a funny comment coming from a liberal who lives in the bay area.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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I saw a few with their hands up. There was a blomde chick with her left arm up while smoking with the right. You puff girl!

I saw her too. I'm not sure why her hands were up.

When I see white people demonstrating like that, I wonder what they think of when they see people looting stores like the ones last night, or jumping on cars and smashing them. Do they ever ask themselves why they are supporting this kind of thing?


They are the same people regardless of skin color. Or, it could be she is looking to make a quick $10.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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I am just catching up with this story, but it is sounding like the same old Whitey (authority) is racists so lets destroy peoples property that had nothing to do with the shooting. This based on a false story like The Michael Brown hands up don't shoot narrative (that many still believe).

"On Tuesday night, 43-year-old Keith Lamont Scott was shot and killed by Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Officer Brentley Vinson in the parking lot of an apartment complex. Both Scott and Officer Vinson and black, but the shooting nonetheless sparked Black Lives Matter protests which focused the eyes of the world on Charlotte, North Carolina."

Charlotte police originally went to the complex at approximately 4pm, looking for a suspect with an outstanding warrant. Scott was not the suspect, but was observed getting out of his vehicle with a gun, before reentering the vehicle moments later. Officers approached the vehicle and Scott once again exited with the weapon in hand. After repeated orders by Police to drop his firearm, Scott was shot and killed.

Scott’s family and Black Lives Matter protesters claim that Scott was “disabled†and was killed while he was peacefully reading a book inside his vehicle. Police have recovered a firearm from the scene, but no books were found on-site. Local protests quickly began and it did not take long for the “peaceful†protests to turn violent.

So we have a flame so lets add some gasoline to it-

A man described as the brother of Keith Lamont Scott called all white people “f–cking devils†in an emotional video interview captured after Scott was shot and killed by a Charlotte, North Carolina police officer.

Daughter streams a racist packed live video inciting people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFRIbmUb83U


The DOJ Loretta lynch- “These tragic incidents have once again left Americans with feelings of sorrow, anger and uncertainty,†Lynch said. “They have once again highlighted—in the most vivid and painful terms—the real divisions that still persist in this nation between law enforcement and communities of color.â€
Lets see black officer with black police chief shoots black perp.. Who to replace now?

Corine Mack, who attended the protests, said the community is frustrated.
"When will our lives truly matter? A black father is dead. There are children tonight who will never see their father again," said Mack, president of the Charlotte chapter of the NAACP.
"It clearly appears as if our lives don't matter. We need to change policies. We need to change procedure. We need to hold police accountable. It's a modern-day lynching. Charlotte is not a good place right now; we're in the throes of this problem."

To protect innocent people and their property it is time to enforce: 18 U.S. Code 2102_
As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riotâ€, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riotâ€, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not ...
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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For some reason, I don't think a video of the perp having a gun in his hand will make one bit a difference to some.

but but but he wasn't carrying it in a threatening manner!!!
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CNN is showing the stand down now. A number of people are so upset that they had to loot a store because of the injustice...

I also saw a great girl for Dave Luscan. A white girl is standing in front of the police with her hands in the air, not sure what that means. Not sure if she is wearing a button but looks like a match made in heaven.

I think I know who you are talking about. She had some sort of reddish dyed hair and was well tatted up. There are lots of her ilk 'participating' in the action. They are typical of the 'holier than thou, above the fray, more enlightened' white liberal loons that look for opportunities to get their picture taken in some sort of pose in front of a police line. Or, even better, get their pic on the front page of the Charlotte Observer in cuffs being hauled off by the vicious, evil, white police while they scream about the injustice of it all. If you ask me, they are hijacking the demonstration for their own purposes and I think a lot of the blacks feel the same way. While she was sitting on her butt all by herself in front of the police line, a concerned black guy went over to her and tried to get her up and walk away. He was able to get her up, then she gave him a hug and a smile and sat back down again.

FWIW, there was a peaceful demonstration earlier that went off with no problems. It was pretty much over by around 8 or 8:30. Most of those people then left the area. The people that hung around clearly had little or no interest in demonstrating. They were just looking for opportunities to steal or create any sort of chaotic situation that would allow them to benefit with some new sneakers or liquor. The first store broken into was Michael Jordan's Nike store and the second was a variety store with beer and wine. Does that tell you anything? Were they just 'demonstrating'? I suppose the people like Dave Luscan will say they simply crave the items that have been kept from them for hundreds of years by whites.

Anecdote, a white guy that works for me was in a different part of downtown with a friend and tried to leave about 10PM via an entrance ramp to the freeway. It was about 6-8 blocks from the area of initial confrontations and he was unaware the police line had moved forward and pushed the 'demonstrators' to the edge of the downtown area in the vicinity of the ramp he intended to use. He encountered about 100-150 people blocking access to the ramp. He was a white dude in a Dodge Ram pickup. In just seconds, he was surrounded and they started slapping the truck with their hands and hitting it with a plastic traffic pylon they had pulled out of the pavement. One guy put a really nice dent in the passenger door. There are marks all over the outside from the plastic traffic pylon. He ended up throwing the truck in reverse and hitting the gas, did a really fast U-turn in the middle of the street and noticed about 10 guys chasing after him. He had to use the sidewalk to get out of the area.

Greg

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They are typical of the 'holier than thou, above the fray, more enlightened' white liberal loons that look for opportunities to get their picture taken in some sort of pose in front of a police line.

Why do you hate FindinFreestyle?

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   I'm going to go with those who are asking for the video and whatever other information that leads the police to be so sure that he was a threat. The chef of police now says the video is not conclusive as to whether there was a gun that was actually pointed at anyone.
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he chef of police now says the video is not conclusive as to whether there was a gun that was actually pointed at anyone.

I was unaware that you were OK simply having a gun, as long as you don't point it at anyone.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [MJuric] [ In reply to ]
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Thank god that North Carolina still values freedom for law abiding citizens.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...pree/article/2602559


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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    Try to find the video of the chief speaking to it. He's pretty bad in this situation as a communicator, so there may be a pretty open/shut case for the deadly force, but he said little to assure of that, and they're still not releasing body camera video.
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [nhunter344] [ In reply to ]
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nhunter344 wrote:
dvfmfidc wrote:
For some reason, I don't think a video of the perp having a gun in his hand will make one bit a difference to some.


but but but he wasn't carrying it in a threatening manner!!!

My favorite - they should have shot him in the leg, or maybe the hand so he'd drop it.
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Try to find the video of the chief speaking to it. He's pretty bad in this situation as a communicator, so there may be a pretty open/shut case for the deadly force, but he said little to assure of that, and they're still not releasing body camera video.

My point is that if the Chief said "He had a gun. No he didn't point it at anyone" does not mean he should not have been shot. They don't wait and shoot until you point the gun at them or someone else, that would be stupid.

If you have a gun, you put it down...or you get shot.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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dave_w wrote:
I'm going to go with those who are asking for the video and whatever other information that leads the police to be so sure that he was a threat. The chef of police now says the video is not conclusive as to whether there was a gun that was actually pointed at anyone.

That simply means it isn't conclusive about him *pointing* it at anyone. What IS conclusive are the statements by several witnesses and the cops saying that he got into the car with a gun and then got back out of the car with a gun. Getting out of a car with a gun in hand in the face of several officers saying to drop it or get on the ground or whatever means that they are dealing with a guy that has a gun in his hand and is not obeying instructions. If you don't think that is perceived as a severe threat by a police officer, maybe you should try it sometime.

That said, I agree that having beautiful HD quality video of the guy standing there next to the car with the barrel of a gun pointed directly at the camera lens would be nice. If a cop let the situation get to that point, he's probably already dead and just doesn't know it.

Greg

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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they're still not releasing body camera video.

As is probably correct. I heard someone today go on and on about how they "refuse to release" the video. As if releasing the video to satiate the social media frenzy is some sort of obligation. They are investigating as we speak. It makes sense to hold the video of a killing until the details are in, and even afterward, I'm not sure I'd want it released. The worst moments of both the victims and probably the cops' lives on tape, maybe not something the entire world has some right to see.

Anyway, he's apparently arranging to show the video to the family, I suppose in the hopes that it will get them to help change the narrative or at least stop claiming he only had a book.

NC passed a law recently, not in effect yet, that would prevent the police from releasing video without judicial approval.

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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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    I was only reading about this story for the first day or more, so did not see any of those who witnessed Scott with the gun. I'm not doubting the police version, just moved to the "trust but verify" mode on most interactions. Video should be a good thing for the cops in most of these cases.
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It makes sense to hold the video of a killing until the details are in, and even afterward, I'm not sure I'd want it released. The worst moments of both the victims and probably the cops' lives on tape, maybe not something the entire world has some right to see.

Why do you feel this way? It seems like more transparency at this point might lower the tension within the community.
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Why do you feel this way? It seems like more transparency at this point might lower the tension within the community.

So in order to appease a "Community" that has shown very little indication that they are interested in the truth we have to essentially destroy the lives of multiple people on both sides of the tragedy by showing over and over again the death of an individual? Would you want the video of your son being shot played over and over again on the nightly news or youtube? Would you want to be the officer who shot this person being constantly confronted with the video, particularly if you were in the right?

If I'm the parent or brother etc, no I don't want the video's released and quite frankly if my son or brother just got killed I really don't give a shit what the "Community" wants.

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I'm not sure a video would destroy the lives of the people involved. The guy who pulled the gun surely didn't think of his family. As for the officer, I think that goes with the territory and general transparency that is needed within any government organization.
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summitt wrote:
slowguy wrote:
It makes sense to hold the video of a killing until the details are in, and even afterward, I'm not sure I'd want it released. The worst moments of both the victims and probably the cops' lives on tape, maybe not something the entire world has some right to see.

Why do you feel this way? It seems like more transparency at this point might lower the tension within the community.

Uh, we all know that "hands up, don't shoot" NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!

And still...

The true here doesn't matter. You could release a video of the "victim" raping a baby in front of the cops and (as long as the baby was white) we'd still see riots.

We should shoot the looters on site.

Fuck these fucking savages. This shit really needs to stop.

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summitt wrote:
slowguy wrote:
It makes sense to hold the video of a killing until the details are in, and even afterward, I'm not sure I'd want it released. The worst moments of both the victims and probably the cops' lives on tape, maybe not something the entire world has some right to see.


Why do you feel this way? It seems like more transparency at this point might lower the tension within the community.

It's not the police department's job to lower tensions by caving in to the demands of an irrational mess of public perception. Their job right now is to conduct a thorough investigation, and to protect the rights of the deceased, his family, and the officers involved.

Calming the tensions of the community is the job of local leaders and politicians, who should be ashamed of themselves if they're not out on TV and in person urging people to calm down, protest non-violently, etc.


1. The video is potential evidence of a crime. It either shows the victim refusing to respond to police direction and holding a weapon, or it shows police shooting him in cold blood. It should be safeguarded as such.
2. The video presumably shows the violent death of one man, at the hands of others. That one man has family who I can't imagine want to see replays of their husband/dad being shot to death on TV and internet for the rest of their lives, and certainly not in the foreseeable future on a 24 hour loop. The officers also probably don't want to have to see, or have their families see, them shoot a man to death, over and over. Killing a man is one of the worst events in anyone's life, even if the killing was justified.
3. I have seen little evidence that seeing the truth (if it turns out that the police were justified) will have any calming effect on the people who are determined that the police are out to murder black men all over the country. The narrative will simply be shifted to where the weapon was pointed, or how he felt he needed the weapon to defend himself against the evil police, or some other such nonsense.

In the absence of any convincing reason to release the video, and in the spirit of the new law just passed in NC that requires a judge to rule on the release of police video, and in the spirit of being sensitive to the loss of the family and the rights of the officers, I don't see any compelling reason to release the video publicly.

I think it's a good idea to show the family, if they want to see it. I only hope that, if it exonerates the police, the family will step forward and say so.

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We should shoot the looters on site.

I know the police are standing by as the looting goes on to avoid an escalation but they really do have to put an end to the clowns jumping on police cars or looting stores. They sit around and stand by and things escalate anyway.

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We should shoot the looters on site.

I know the police are standing by as the looting goes on to avoid an escalation but they really do have to put an end to the clowns jumping on police cars or looting stores. They sit around and stand by and things escalate anyway.
Thw protestor in critical care has passed away. Civilian on civilian shooting. This shit is damn stupid and I agree the looters/thugs need be shot (non lethal) or rounded up and placed in a holding cell with tear gas bombs going off every ten minutes.


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Thw protestor in critical care has passed away. Civilian on civilian shooting.

Well that oughta show "the man" that they mean business.

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travelmama wrote:
Thw protestor in critical care has passed away. Civilian on civilian shooting.

Well that oughta show "the man" that they mean business.
Exactly. Damn fuck faces cannot do it right. Chances are the shooter will be found within the next 48 hrs. given everyone and their mother had their cameras on.


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travelmama wrote:
Thw protestor in critical care has passed away. Civilian on civilian shooting.

Well that oughta show "the man" that they mean business.

White dude attacked and begs for his life. He shouldn't have been dressed provocatively I guess.

http://www.dailywire.com/...ercy-chase-stephens#

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     So the family has now seen the video, said it left them with more questions, and called for it to be made public. Police chief says it probably won't be for various other reasons related to the investigation.
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For all you people who question weather or not the cops should shoot.. Not saying you Dave... just replying to the last thread. I beleive I posted this before..


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Suspect has been arrested in the killing of the protestor. Other arrests have been made involving looters and other thugs. Surely social media helped in the efforts.


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BLeP wrote:
slowguy wrote:
travelmama wrote:
Thw protestor in critical care has passed away. Civilian on civilian shooting.

Well that oughta show "the man" that they mean business.

White dude attacked and begs for his life. He shouldn't have been dressed provocatively I guess.

http://www.dailywire.com/...ercy-chase-stephens#

Imagine if hordes of white dudes were running around destroying shit and targeting blacks for random beatings...

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It's ok, they've been oppressed for so long that we have to excuse this behaviour.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Imagine if hordes of white dudes were running around destroying shit and targeting blacks for random beatings...

This has been going on for years and is simply accepted. Reginald Denny and many since then. We've even had periods of largely unprovoked attacks, remember the sucker punch craze where a group of people would run up behind someone and one of them would just punch them as hard as they could and try to knock them out?

This is much less an issue with systemic racism then it is with a culture steeped in anger and violence that is literally eating itself alive and needs more fuel to feed the flame they can't seem to extinguish.

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Imagine if hordes of white dudes were running around destroying shit and targeting blacks for random beatings...

This has been going on for years and is simply accepted. Reginald Denny and many since then. We've even had periods of largely unprovoked attacks, remember the sucker punch craze where a group of people would run up behind someone and one of them would just punch them as hard as they could and try to knock them out?

This is much less an issue with systemic racism then it is with a culture steeped in anger and violence that is literally eating itself alive and needs more fuel to feed the flame they can't seem to extinguish.

~Matt

And I believe that the "mainstream" opinion that this type of behavior is expected and excused is also a major contributor to the problem.

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You think I live in a Bubble is a funny comment coming from a liberal who lives in the bay area.

"Bubble" isn't dependent on geography, it is dependent on an attitude of viewing the world. Saying that no democrats are Christian is simply false. I know that this is the LR, so outrageous claims are required, but so is calling them out. Ridiculous statements repeated often enough create a twisted "reality".
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Re: Latest Excuse for Mayhem...Right Here in My Town [gregtryin] [ In reply to ]
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The wife has released her cell phone video of the incident. Caution: Lots of F-bombs in the audio.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/24/us/charlotte-keith-scott-shooting-video.html?_r=1


Not sure what I am doing wrong with the link.... Tried to hyperlink it.


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What a strange video. Hard to follow without being able to see what the officers and the man in question are doing.

IT SEEMS TO ME (Just guessing after watching one time so I am not condemning anybody!) That after saying he doesn't have a weapon, she starts telling her husband "Don't do it" although it could be directed at police. Regardless he was clearly told many times to drop the gun.

What really gets me is her reaction after, initially she's shocked but the longer she talks the more assured she gets like she is glad the cops are in trouble and seems less concerned about the fact that her husband just got shot.... Again, this is how I interpreted it and I am by no means in expert.
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Very Very weird reaction. She was definitely telling her husband not to do it (whatever "it" is).

But she didn't seem all that upset that he might be dying. If my wife was shot I'd be fucking hysterical. Weird, just weird.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Exact same thoughts. I thought the same with the Castile shooting though. How could you be recording that? I would be out of my mind if I was the bystander.
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MJuric wrote:
Imagine if hordes of white dudes were running around destroying shit and targeting blacks for random beatings...

This has been going on for years and is simply accepted. Reginald Denny and many since then. We've even had periods of largely unprovoked attacks, remember the sucker punch craze where a group of people would run up behind someone and one of them would just punch them as hard as they could and try to knock them out?

This is much less an issue with systemic racism then it is with a culture steeped in anger and violence that is literally eating itself alive and needs more fuel to feed the flame they can't seem to extinguish.

~Matt
You say that like it isn't still happening....articles from the past month related to the knockout game--obviously some of these stories are covering the same incident but take a look...again, just in the past month:
https://www.google.com/...t+game&tbs=qdr:m
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Let me guess. A white cop?
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You say that like it isn't still happening.

Still happening but I don't think it is nearly as predominate as it was when it first started.

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what really gets me is her reaction after, initially she's shocked but the longer she talks the more assured she gets like she is glad the cops are in trouble and seems less concerned about the fact that her husband just got shot

It's almost as if she started thinking about a legal settlement coming her way...nah, that can't be it.

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You say that like it isn't still happening.

Still happening but I don't think it is nearly as predominate as it was when it first started.

~Matt


It really doesn't get reported on, aside from the local level everyday stuff, so honestly who knows? The media doesn't seem to care so it doesn't become a 'thing', but I'd bet dollars to donuts that if the 'knockout game' were treated the way 'cops shooting black people' by the media we'd see a lot more of the former than the latter.

Not saying they're equitable situations but I do think the knockout game points to a real issue that goes completely ignored, which is the same real issue around why black people are finding themselves in these situations with cops in the first place in many cases.
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Let me guess. A white cop?
Are you trying to be funny?


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Allows for statements to be taken without the video being out there possibly changing/tainting their account of events.

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The gun shot was the sound of her bank account expanding as nearly all of the "police violence" victims or their families have demanded and received payouts from the local governments.
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Lets see they rioted, killed a person, beat up people because they were white, tried to throw a dude in a bonfire. and destroyed a lot of property. For this piece of shit?!!!

Kieth Scott, 43, had served more than eight years in Texas for evading arrest and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, according to TWC News.

Keith Scott was carrying a stolen gun when he was shot and killed during a confrontation with police in Charlotte, North Carolina, authorities have said.
The gun was reported stolen after a breaking and entering, according to the police.


Scott's wife Rakeyia, who filmed her husband's killing on Tuesday, had filed for a restraining order against him and had told authorities he carried a gun, hit her as well as one of her children and had threatened to kill her, records have shown.

Rakeyia detailed her husband's behavior in the filing in October last year. She said he had hit her and one of her children.
'He hit my 8 year old in the head a total of three times with is [sic] fist,' she wrote on the form published by TWC News.
'He kicked me and threaten [sic] to kill us last night with his gun. He said he is a "killer" and we should know that.'

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Lets see they rioted, killed a person, beat up people because they were white, tried to throw a dude in a bonfire. and destroyed a lot of property. For this piece of shit?!!!

Kieth Scott, 43, had served more than eight years in Texas for evading arrest and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, according to TWC News.

Keith Scott was carrying a stolen gun when he was shot and killed during a confrontation with police in Charlotte, North Carolina, authorities have said.
The gun was reported stolen after a breaking and entering, according to the police.


Scott's wife Rakeyia, who filmed her husband's killing on Tuesday, had filed for a restraining order against him and had told authorities he carried a gun, hit her as well as one of her children and had threatened to kill her, records have shown.

Rakeyia detailed her husband's behavior in the filing in October last year. She said he had hit her and one of her children.
'He hit my 8 year old in the head a total of three times with is [sic] fist,' she wrote on the form published by TWC News.
'He kicked me and threaten [sic] to kill us last night with his gun. He said he is a "killer" and we should know that.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...r.html#ixzz4LYy3SDsY
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How can anyone take BLM seriously any more and the media that supports them?
What was your point for posting this?


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