Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!?

Sep 19, 16 11:16

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ITU Grand Final in Cozumel threw up some great performances in both the men's and women's finals. Fantastic race by Flora Duffy, bringing back importance to the bike leg in short course racing. Was refreshing to see her and the two Brits Jessica Learmonth and Lucy Hall pushing on the bike to pull away using a similar tactic employed by the Brownlee brothers in their races. Wish they (the women's race) could have done something similar in Rio but it seemed nobody wanted to. It was a hell of a finish in both races in Cozumel, the finish-line a kill zone with bodies falling all over the place, from Sarah True bearing making the line before collapsing, to a bunch of the men and Ashleigh Gentle almost collapsing.

But seems like the Men's Olympic Champion does have a softer side for his brother. The usual Alistair pot shots and rivalry with his brother seemed to take a backseat in the final few hundred meters, wish my brother was as helpfull! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhXKjHKF64w

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

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Sep 19, 16 11:20

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Did you see his interview? Or how he threw him over the line and looked disgusted?

Classic big brother move right there. It's the old "I am going to help you because I am your brother but don't be so freaking dumb next time" I wouldn't say he is going soft though.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Runningwithbees] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 11:29

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Runningwithbees wrote:

Did you see his interview? Or how he threw him over the line and looked disgusted?

Classic big brother move right there. It's the old "I am going to help you because I am your brother but don't be so freaking dumb next time" I wouldn't say he is going soft though.

I'm sure he said to his brother "You can't even win with me carrying you"

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Runningwithbees] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 11:32

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I agree, I wouldn't say he was going soft because he said he would have done that for anyone else because he know what it's like to be in that situation. However, since it was his brother, one can assume he has a deeper sympathy for him. So it might be slightly true.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 11:52

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I saw what makes the Brownlees absolute animals.

1. You see Jonny pushing himself to a point thats probably incomprehensible to the rest of us.
2. Alistair rounds that corner and then doesn't hesitate stopping for him...but...
3. It wasn't a stop to see if he was okay/check on him - it was literally only to throw his arm around and drag him to the line. In a way thats like "yeah, I'm going to sacrifice my own race by not leaving you behind - but you sure as shit arent quitting either."

Last note was the DB who takes the win celebrating/fist pumping all the way to the line. Really? Congrats on third place bro.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 11:56

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I wouldn't say he was a DB for winning the race. Part of the strategy in ITU is trying to push your opponents to paces they can't sustain (but you can). So when Jonny blew up, he kept on motoring for the win. Jonny gave it his all, and that's something to respect, but don't hate the guy that played it better that day.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [RJSuperfreaky] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 12:00

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Actually I will. Have some grace in your success.

Feel free to not hate him for winning though.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 12:05

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wsrobert wrote:

Last note was the DB who takes the win celebrating/fist pumping all the way to the line. Really? Congrats on third place bro.

I don't think you understand how "racing" works....

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Power13] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 12:16

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I think its more upsetting at the way he celebrated not the fact that he won. Which if you win like that I think its best to just run it in and chill.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [mknight84] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 12:20

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This is the guy that got the bronze at the olympics, correct? I'm pretty sure I remember them saying that he'd never even podiumed on the ITU circuit before that. So you can understand his excitement. First ITU podium and first win.

lol slowtwitch gonna slowtwitch

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [mknight84] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 13:30

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mknight84 wrote:

I think its more upsetting at the way he celebrated not the fact that he won. Which if you win like that I think its best to just run it in and chill.

What? It's his first win in WTS against brownlee squared and pretty much everyone but Gomez. Don't celebrate? Are you kidding me? It's not his fault Jonny blew up.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 13:47

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wsrobert wrote:

I saw what makes the Brownlees absolute animals.

Last note was the DB who takes the win celebrating/fist pumping all the way to the line. Really? Congrats on third place bro.

You're 30 seconds away from the finish of an extremely hard race that you put your whole life into. You're running neck and neck (actually in front of) the Olympic Champion. Getting ready for a sprint. Probably a bigger moment than being a minute back in the Olympics for third. And he finds himself in the lead all of a sudden.
And he does a fist pump or three. That's being a DB???

You don't think he was in a bit of shock himself?
Have you never been in a challenging situation?
Have you never unexpectedly won something or unexpectedly lost something?

Also listen to his post race interview. He practically apologized for J.B. poor pacing and having to cross the line first instead of him.

You should probably reconsider how you judge people. Because you're terrible at it. (and yes, I realize I just judged you)

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 13:54

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Grant.Reuter wrote:

mknight84 wrote:

I think its more upsetting at the way he celebrated not the fact that he won. Which if you win like that I think its best to just run it in and chill.

What? It's his first win in WTS against brownlee squared and pretty much everyone but Gomez. Don't celebrate? Are you kidding me? It's not his fault Jonny blew up.

Schoemen kept pushing to the end, and was rewarded for his efforts. Brownlee tried to push it to the end, and for whatever reason blew up (weather, effort, etc.). A first podium and a win is celebration material for his effort. Winning is about making the line first, not almost there.

BUT in saying that, check out Schoeman's interview at the end of the race, he's pretty humble in how the race played out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Awns29sZEs

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [oprfcc] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 13:59

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Have you ever disagreed with someone? Or is this your first time using the internet?

Schoeman could be a good dude. He could even openly acknowledge that the only reason he won that race was because Alistair stopped to help his brother (because he only won because Alistair stopped - otherwise he's still second place. So "practically apologizing" for JB doesnt really matter). Or he could be a fist pumping braggart. Seems you choose to think the former. I choose to believe the latter. Pretty cool right?

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:11

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It didn't look to me like Alistair wasn't trying to come first at all. I know before the race he said otherwise, but what is he supposed to say? He would be destroyed by media and Slowtwitch forum users if he said he was trying to come second.

Alistair was definitely trying to let Johnny win and would have beat Schoeman if he didn't need to stop and carry Johnny. He didn't just carry Johnny to the finish line, he clearly pushed Johnny to finish before himself.

I wonder what the whole scene looked like to Richard Murray who was coming in to finish.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:12

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I thought slowtwitch was a safe zone. I am going to have a hard time sleeping tonight with this ptsd.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Arsenic] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:14

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Arsenic wrote:

I wonder what the whole scene looked like to Richard Murray who was coming in to finish.

You mean the guy who waited to cross the finish line until just before Mola? Seems like he was too busy show-boating for 4th to worry about the podium spots ahead of him.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:42

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kjmcawesome wrote:

You mean the guy who waited to cross the finish line until just before Mola? Seems like he was too busy show-boating for 4th to worry about the podium spots ahead of him.

Mola and Murray are teammates. looked like they were having fun (both were grinning as they crossed the finish line). the sport needs people like Murray to keep it entertaining

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:43

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The B's did better financially with JB finishing 3rd and getting 2nd in the WTS, than if AB wins and Johnny DNFs.

AB was there primarily to help JB, his own ambitions were secondary. It's not just smart racing, it's smart finances.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kristenm] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 15:45

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My bad. Didn't know they were buddies. Just seemed odd for Murray to be so excited about finishing 4th.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 18:23

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AB probably beats him if he wasn't trying to help JB (including 'allowing' JB to win to get the points he needed...pretty sure AB could have won if he wanted to).

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Runningwithbees] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 19:18

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Younger brothers can be soooooooooooooooooooo annoying sometimes. Especially when they are almost the best in the world and you still have to carry them across the finish line or else your mother will nag you about it. :)

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 19:34

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Magwister] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 21:46

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Magwister wrote:

AB probably beats him if he wasn't trying to help JB (including 'allowing' JB to win to get the points he needed...pretty sure AB could have won if he wanted to).

I agree. I don't blame the winner for celebrating...but enjoy it, because that's the only way he wins it. I think AB out kicks him in the sprint and wins it, if he didn't help JB.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kristenm] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 22:02

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kristenm wrote:

kjmcawesome wrote:

You mean the guy who waited to cross the finish line until just before Mola? Seems like he was too busy show-boating for 4th to worry about the podium spots ahead of him.

Mola and Murray are teammates. looked like they were having fun (both were grinning as they crossed the finish line). the sport needs people like Murray to keep it entertaining

i don't have a problem with Henri celebrating.

Murray on the other hand was a complete DB. Standing there with JB prostrate on the ground rousing up the crowd then skipping/jumping for joy was to me too much. Sure celebrate your mate winning, but doing it how he did was a DB move.

Mario on the other hand was gracious in his victory as was Henri. Murray has totally gone down in my estimation.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 19, 16 23:14

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So Alistair doesn't help his little brother and he's a "dick" but then he helps his little brother and he's "going soft." You can't win on Slowtwitch. :)

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [BayDad] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 1:22

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BayDad wrote:

kristenm wrote:

kjmcawesome wrote:

You mean the guy who waited to cross the finish line until just before Mola? Seems like he was too busy show-boating for 4th to worry about the podium spots ahead of him.

Mola and Murray are teammates. looked like they were having fun (both were grinning as they crossed the finish line). the sport needs people like Murray to keep it entertaining

i don't have a problem with Henri celebrating.

Murray on the other hand was a complete DB. Standing there with JB prostrate on the ground rousing up the crowd then skipping/jumping for joy was to me too much. Sure celebrate your mate winning, but doing it how he did was a DB move.

Mario on the other hand was gracious in his victory as was Henri. Murray has totally gone down in my estimation.

I'm glad somebody else took this away. I've felt this since watching yesterday but couldn't figure out if it were my grumpy side.

Murray made an arse of himself yet again. He sees THE WHOLE situation unfold in front of him, then CHOOSES to celebrate his mate benefiting from someone elses demise, WHILST they are laid out semi-conscious in front of him.

Proper cock sucker move in my book.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [salmonsteve] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 1:28

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Yes, I thought Murray was a bit of a DB before this season. His actions this year have confirmed it beyond all doubt.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kennykill] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 1:36

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That was awesome !!! Great move from alistair!!

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [BayDad] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 2:44

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I agree Murray epitomises everything that is distasteful in Sport, on the other hand Alistair Brownlee shows there are more important things than winning and money.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [KChen086] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 2:50

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Oh, he's a dick alright. Did you see that BBC interview from yesterday? He is going to hold this over Jonny forever!

Still awesome to watch, and I'm an AB fan, but like many of the greats he is fundamentally a dick.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 2:57

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MI_Mumps wrote:

Oh, he's a dick alright. Did you see that BBC interview from yesterday? He is going to hold this over Jonny forever!

Still awesome to watch, and I'm an AB fan, but like many of the greats he is fundamentally a dick.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 3:06

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I think you're mistaking being a dick with the very British character trait of taking the mick out of your friends or family. It's just what we do, there's no malice in it (in fact quite the opposite)

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [r0bh] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 3:16

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Totally. There is a bit of a disconnect with some of the American commentators on here and understanding how the various ways in which the nature of close British friendships can manifest. Often you mock those that are closest to you the most.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [messien] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 3:26

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I think Yorkshire-ness goes over American heads a bit! My mother's side of the family are from that part of the world (Leeds!) and when I see Jonny and Alistair interact, it is totally what I grew up seeing and hearing with that side of the family!

It cuts both ways. I'm a huge fan of the American series The Wire (which is 100 times better than anything the UK could produce of a similar nature) but the aggressive way people talk with each other is totally alien to me, and I'm sure some of the subtleties of what is really meant go way over my head... Cultural differences!

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 8:59

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kjmcawesome wrote:

My bad. Didn't know they were buddies. Just seemed odd for Murray to be so excited about finishing 4th.

Murray stopped short of the line for Mola and I think he was ready to let Mola finish ahead of him if Murray had been in 5th place rather than 4th place right before finishing. As far as AB, afterward he did say he was just jogging the run and dissed little brother for not pacing correctly.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 9:19

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wsrobert wrote:

Last note was the DB who takes the win celebrating/fist pumping all the way to the line. Really? Congrats on third place bro.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [tlc13] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 9:27

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tlc13 wrote:

kjmcawesome wrote:

My bad. Didn't know they were buddies. Just seemed odd for Murray to be so excited about finishing 4th.

Murray stopped short of the line for Mola and I think he was ready to let Mola finish ahead of him if Murray had been in 5th place rather than 4th place right before finishing. As far as AB, afterward he did say he was just jogging the run and dissed little brother for not pacing correctly.

Just jogging and still in a position to win if he had wanted it. Incredible.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [BayDad] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 10:00

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I couldn't agree more.

I used to be a Murray fan, but his antics this year have totally turned me off, between the tantrum leading to the DQ, his post race comments about the Brits at the Olympics (he went back and retracted and deleted his tweet), to his finish line celebrations in Cozumel.

I've never been the biggest Mola fan (maybe because he doesn't race the same way as the Killer B's), but he is always very gracious and respectful, whereas Murray when asked about Jonny in his post race interview completely ignored what happened and just talked about Mola if I recall correctly.

I'm fine with being happy for your training mate, but even Mola seemed more concerned, and he just won his first world championship.

Murray has lost more than a few fans I reckon...

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [r0bh] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 15:12

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Eh, I bet he's a dick - even for a Yorkshireman. You don't see Jonny taking the piss nearly as much. Alistair is just that classic Michael Jordan/ Lance/ etc. alpha dogs.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 17:24

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They have polar opposite personalities, I've seen a few documentaries on them and AB has always been the more outspoken of the two. But like the UK, Australia has a similar sense of humor, i certainly didn't take it as a dick comment, it's just what we say to brothers and mates.

I honestly don't think most Americans get brittish humor and i still don't think you do and never will because you haven't been brought up with the culture.

We mercilessly take the piss out of people we like or dislike basically. And ourselves. This is very important. Our brashness and swagger is laden with equal portions of self-deprecation. This is our license to hand it out.
This can sometimes be perceived as nasty if the recipients aren’t used to it. It isn’t. It’s play fighting. It’s almost a sign of affection if we like you, and ego bursting if we don’t. You just have to know which one it is.
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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 17:30

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MI_Mumps wrote:

Eh, I bet he's a dick - even for a Yorkshireman. You don't see Jonny taking the piss nearly as much. Alistair is just that classic Michael Jordan/ Lance/ etc. alpha dogs.

Alistair, Michael and Lance do not belong in the same sentence.

Alistair and Michael - yes, the other one - not so much. He belongs in the discussion with Sammy Sosa.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [Lawyertri] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 17:58

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Lawyertri wrote:

I agree Murray epitomises everything that is distasteful in Sport, on the other hand Alistair Brownlee shows there are more important things than winning and money.

Not necessarily accurate.. the series win is worth about $80000 where as the race win is worth only about $30000. If Mola hadn't got 5th place Johnee would have been up for that money. This was all about the series win and the series money, not just the grand final race.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [B.McMaster] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 18:13

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Not Sosa - Barry Bonds is the better fit. Still not perfect though because Lance was driven to win, whereas Barry was driven to fill up a stat sheet.

I remain comfortable with my three.

As for those Pommies talking cultural awareness, I think I'm aware enough of how guys around the world communicate via insults. It is a universal language! I also know a dickish older brother/ alpha male when I see one. This isn't some secret - I'd guess more athletes are intimidated by AB than love him, and he is fine with that. Maccer was commenting on this back in his Olympic bid for London. He commented on how Ali was the boss, how he'd walk up and cut to the front of lines (queues for the Poms) just because he could.

Pure tough man. Obsessive. Grudge holder. Winner. Dick. Like Michael and Lance.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 18:32

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We can agree to disagree on the cheaters.

Jordan, Ali are great. Bonds was great before cheating. Still bummed he cheated, he would have easily been a HOF'er without cheating.

Lance had to cheat to win, Sosa had to cheat to get a lot of home runs - sadly baseball's individual "winning" (he already had a lot of strikeouts) - both were cheating for the big paycheck.

I agree with the rest of your discussion. Another good comparison for Ali would be the young Tiger Woods.

Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [B.McMaster] [ In reply to ]

Sep 20, 16 18:40

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I like the Tiger idea too. Of course there are plenty of folks who suspect that Tiger might have been doping as well - rapid physique changes followed by all the back trouble as his connective tissue couldn't keep up with the muscle growth...

It isn't like Lance was nothing before drugs. His relative success in HS swimming and cross country and of course his years as "The Kid" on the tri scene are well documented. I'm not one to absolve him for cheating because others were as well, but I assume anyone would have had to cheat to win. He was driven to train hard and dope hard.

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Re: Alistair Brownlee - Is he going soft on his younger brother!? [TriguyBlue] [ In reply to ]

Sep 24, 16 13:26

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TriguyBlue wrote:

They have polar opposite personalities, I've seen a few documentaries on them and AB has always been the more outspoken of the two. But like the UK, Australia has a similar sense of humor, i certainly didn't take it as a dick comment, it's just what we say to brothers and mates.

I honestly don't think most Americans get brittish humor and i still don't think you do and never will because you haven't been brought up with the culture.

We mercilessly take the piss out of people we like or dislike basically. And ourselves. This is very important. Our brashness and swagger is laden with equal portions of self-deprecation. This is our license to hand it out.
This can sometimes be perceived as nasty if the recipients aren’t used to it. It isn’t. It’s play fighting. It’s almost a sign of affection if we like you, and ego bursting if we don’t. You just have to know which one it is.
http://time.com/3720218/difference-between-american-british-humour/

Agreed. British and Australians (and Kiwis) are far closer in style of humour. Hence why Americans sometimes struggle with it.

But its strange then that TV comedy from wherever can work regardless of where in the world you are.

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