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44 year old male. Let's call me a FOMOP triathlete (sub-11 IM, sub-5 HIM, 2:20-ish Oly). Top 10-20% depending on the race.

Done 5 IMs, 10 HIMs, several Oly and sprint races.

6'0" tall and in excellent shape. Only medical issues are seasonal allergies and exercise induced asthma. My typical walk around weight is 170-ish. Typical race weight is 160-ish.

This year has been tough. I had a bout with epididymitis earlier this year that took about 2.5 months to clear up. It ruined my early season as I had to DNS the Texas 70.3, and an Oly race that were both in April. I was also registered for IMCdA but transferred out of that race and into IMC because I couldn't start training until late-April.

I had my FTP as high as 303 in either 2011 or 2012 but have basically just done IM training ever since so my FTP normally hovers around 270 when in peak IM shape. I rode both IMC and IMFL at 200 watts last year and had my best IM runs in each race. I normally train from Jan-Nov each year.

I just felt off as soon as I started training this year. Power, speed, etc. just weren't where they were the past couple of years, especially on the bike which is normally my strongest discipline. I initially chalked it up to starting 3.5 months late in my training. The power still wasn't coming around so I then chalked it up to it being 100 degrees out (I live in the Houston area). The power just never came around even when I hit peak (or near peak) shape a few weeks back. Last year I was busting out 4.5 hour rides during the summer at 210 watts and this year I was struggling to hit 175 watts. My training was otherwise excellent despite not being as "powerful" as seasons past. Very consistent and put in the time.

The one thing I noticed was that my blood pressure had become low. Not super low but around 100/65... which is about 10 units lower for each number than usual. I was also having a lot of issues with lightheadedness and dizziness, which I assumed was due to the low blood pressure. I never fainted or blacked out but came close a couple of times both right after a long training day and at random times.

I don't think I experienced any chest tightness or other perceived heart issues but I guess it's hard to tell that from asthma.

Fast forward to IMC this past weekend. I DNF'd about 6 miles into the run after my leg cramped up around mile 80 of the bike and kept seizing up on the run. I felt "off" on the bike even before the cramping issues. They check your vitals in the med tent and the doc was somewhat concerned about my blood pressure, heart rate and heartbeat. My blood pressure was like 92/56, my pulse was 38 (resting is normally 48-55 when I'm in peak shape) and so faint he had to use a machine to measure it, and my heartbeat was somewhat irregular. He explained that isn't entirely uncommon after several hours of exertion but this was also about 90 minutes after I stopped "running." He asked me a series of questions... Do I get lightheaded, have I ever been diagnosed with an irregular heartbeat, etc. I have a full physical done every two years for my job (EKG, blood work, hearing, vision, etc. with the treadmill stress test every four years). My last treadmill stress test showed a minor irregularity in my heartbeat but the doc wasn't super concerned but told me to just pay attention to it. The IMC med tent doc advised me to go see my doc when I got home.

Today I went and saw my doc. Exam, EKG and blood work. Blood work obviously not back yet but the EKG revealed some issues that the doc would consider minor if I were your average lazy, American fatass but I'm not. He wants me to see a cardiologist so I can get more advanced testing (echocardiogram, stress test, etc.). Makes sense.

My issue is I'm registered for Ironman Mont-Tremblant on August 17th. Brother and sister doing this as their first IM race. I can't get a cardiologist appointment in time before the race (I'm going to work some connections to see if I can get a an earlier appointment somehow). I most certainly want to make the most educated decision I can. Odds are the testing will comeback as nothing major but it also might not.

So my thought process is something like this:
  • Don't do the race and not risk something going wrong with my ticker.
  • Do the race because odds are nothing is really wrong and I'd feel like an asshole bailing on the race and finding out after that my ticker is perfectly fine.
  • People will say you can always do another IM race so why risk it (agreed) but I'm pretty much done with full IM racing so there's not another race. Been itching to do IMMT since it was announced.
  • I'm pissed my season has been a complete bust. Bailing on IMMT would make me 0-5 for this year.
  • Going to Mont-Tremblant regardless of whether I race or not. We have a 10-day vacation planned around it.

Mostly thinking outloud here more than seeking advice but whatever words are welcome. Obviously doing a race isn't worth potentially risking my health/life and I really want to have the testing done before carrying on. It's the only smart thing to do. Just wish I had more time.

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  • Don't do the race and not risk something going wrong with my ticker

This. And volunteer if you will be there anyway.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear bro. Hope everything turns out ok for you.
In meantime head up to Tremblant for the vacation and to support. No race BUT enjoy some unstructured training while there. You will love the place - if not already visited.



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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Can't your primary care doc pull some strings to get you in sooner?

Sure seems clear something has been going on for months so it isn't a one time occurrence.

If you have kids and a wife, I'd say don't race until you know what is going on as number 1 or 3 choices are not ones anyone wants. As a family volunteer at IMMT. My kids love volunteering at IMs especially on the run when they can cheer for each athlete by name.

I hope you get answers soon.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [KathyG] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, have a wife and 9 year old son. My wife doesn't want me racing until I get a clean bill of health.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
Yes, have a wife and 9 year old son. My wife doesn't want me racing until I get a clean bill of health.

And I wouldn't if I was you. . . .Why risk it, you know?
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Although not a cardiologist, what does your doc suggest ?
I would go by his recommendation, not ST.
Really sorry to hear about all this.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Don't race. Not worth it. I dropped my '10 IMLP registration as soon as I realized I couldn't train properly and almost passed out on an easy run from my a-fib issues. Endurance racing/training is not worth dying for. Especially with a family.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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GMAN19030 wrote:
Yes, have a wife and 9 year old son. My wife doesn't want me racing until I get a clean bill of health.

In my world, this would have a lot stronger vote than anything ST could tell me. You seem to have people much closer to you than us (Wife, doctor) telling you not to race at this time. Emotionally, I understand your conflict. Intellectually, this shouldn't even be a discussion. Don't race, at least until you know more about your overall health.






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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
Although not a cardiologist, what does your doc suggest ?
I would go by his recommendation, not ST.
Really sorry to hear about all this.

He suggests seeing the cardiologist before soldiering on.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
GMAN19030 wrote:
Yes, have a wife and 9 year old son. My wife doesn't want me racing until I get a clean bill of health.


In my world, this would have a lot stronger vote than anything ST could tell me. You seem to have people much closer to you than us (Wife, doctor) telling you not to race at this time. Emotionally, I understand your conflict. Intellectually, this shouldn't even be a discussion. Don't race, at least until you know more about your overall health.

I know there's no other intelligent option here and I said as much probably 3-4 times in my initial post. I know what I have to do. I just don't like it and I'm pissed off this is happening. I was one of Chris G's teammates so I know what the worst case scenario is to me and my family and I don't want that. I'm a big fan of being alive.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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You said it's your brother and sister's first full IM. Based on your experience, if you were racing I'm assuming you would only see them on the start line. One of the positives of not racing is that you should be able to see them and cheer them on several times during the day.

Tremblant is an awesome vacation spot. I did the 70.3 in June, and my family loved it there so much that we decided to book a ski holiday there this winter.

Go there and enjoy it!
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [expat_dan] [ In reply to ]
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expat_dan wrote:
You said it's your brother and sister's first full IM. Based on your experience, if you were racing I'm assuming you would only see them on the start line. One of the positives of not racing is that you should be able to see them and cheer them on several times during the day.

Tremblant is an awesome vacation spot. I did the 70.3 in June, and my family loved it there so much that we decided to book a ski holiday there this winter.

Go there and enjoy it!

There's good odds I'd lap my sister on lap #2 of the bike and lap my brother on the run. :-)

Otherwise agreed.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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So you become a cheerleader. When you're not rooting for the family, root for me. I'll be doing IMMT. That will a least give you more to focus on. Plus, you get bonus points if you actually wear a cheerleader outfit.

I'd like for you to stay alive too, my ST friend.






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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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I'm dealing with the same thing. Got a follow up cardio appt coming up on Monday. I'll wear their heart monitor for 48 hours and see what comes of it. Thankfully I've got a bit more time than you (IMFL).

I'd skip it. Hopefully get a clean bill of health. And then sign up for Cozumel. Why not a tropical vacation for the family after Thanksgiving?

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [Mtneer] [ In reply to ]
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Get a wearable event monitor such as "King of Hearts" your cardiologist will know what this is.

I have PVC's a non life threatening irregularity, my earliest recolection of it was at 15yrs old. It got much more noticable after a few years of IM training, I think do to the increase in stroke volume made it easier to feel. I had it diagnosed by wearing an event monitor 24 hrs a day for 1 week during work outs etc. In my case Doc said don't worry have at. My biggest issue has been Identifying the triggers. For me dehydration (Electrolytes) is the big one the others are fatigue and alcohol.

My back grond 47 yrs old 5'8" when training hard 20-30 hrs a week, 160lbs. resting hr of 38bpm. As an aside After 10yrs of IM training multiples per year 2 Kona's I took the last 2 years off, my episodes became much more frequent and pronounced. Checked with the Doc nothing had changed, he suggested I train more consistently. As soon as I started training my episodes imediately started to subside.

Long story short, It should not take long to figure out then make your decision.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [CustomCoach] [ In reply to ]
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CustomCoach wrote:
Get a wearable event monitor such as "King of Hearts" your cardiologist will know what this is.

I have PVC's a non life threatening irregularity, my earliest recolection of it was at 15yrs old. It got much more noticable after a few years of IM training, I think do to the increase in stroke volume made it easier to feel. I had it diagnosed by wearing an event monitor 24 hrs a day for 1 week during work outs etc. In my case Doc said don't worry have at. My biggest issue has been Identifying the triggers. For me dehydration (Electrolytes) is the big one the others are fatigue and alcohol.

My back grond 47 yrs old 5'8" when training hard 20-30 hrs a week, 160lbs. resting hr of 38bpm. As an aside After 10yrs of IM training multiples per year 2 Kona's I took the last 2 years off, my episodes became much more frequent and pronounced. Checked with the Doc nothing had changed, he suggested I train more consistently. As soon as I started training my episodes imediately started to subside.

Long story short, It should not take long to figure out then make your decision.

Thanks!

Unfortunately I don't have much time at all to figure things out and make a decision on IMMT. I pretty much have until next Thursday. My bike needs to be dropped off for TBT next Thursday and then we're headed out a few days later. I also need to look at this from a dollar and cents standpoint. No sense in sending my bike off and paying for it when I won't need it. Odds of getting into the cardiologist and having test results back by Wednesday are probably slim to none. Working on that but not likely at all.

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Mtneer wrote:


I'd skip it. Hopefully get a clean bill of health. And then sign up for Cozumel. Why not a tropical vacation for the family after Thanksgiving?

Thought about that. Problem comes down to time and expense. I just took a week off for IMC and I'm taking 10 days for IMMT (in addition to other days off plus I took 7 weeks off last year). Costs for travel and such to both races will exceed $10,000. I don't want to absorb a third hit. :-)

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Descretion is the better part of valor, particularly when dealing with potential cardiac issues.

You have a responsibility to your young family to find out what's going on. There will always be more races.

I'll admit to some conservative bias since I've been through open heart surgery to fix a heart valve. I feel fortunate to be able to do this stuff, but if I couldn't, then I'd have no problem finding other hobbies and interests. Life's not always fair, and all you can do is play the hand you're dealt.

Good luck. Will keep you in our thoughts & prayers.

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GMAN19030 wrote:
Mtneer wrote:


I'd skip it. Hopefully get a clean bill of health. And then sign up for Cozumel. Why not a tropical vacation for the family after Thanksgiving?


Thought about that. Problem comes down to time and expense. I just took a week off for IMC and I'm taking 10 days for IMMT (in addition to other days off plus I took 7 weeks off last year). Costs for travel and such to both races will exceed $10,000. I don't want to absorb a third hit. :-)

GMAN....what about the option of rolling with the trip, cardiac stuff or not. Ship your bike up. If you get into the cardiologist before you fly up and get a clean slate, you are set to race. You just had the perfect long swim-long bike-short run training day at Whistler so you are perfectly set up for Tremblant. If the cardiologist has concerns, then you go to Tremblant, and just do a fun training weekend. The place is amazing for training. While the mountains are less spectacular than Whistler and the resort the smaller, the roads on a day to day basis are much better in terms of less traffic congestion. The Sea to Sky highway in Whistler is awesome on race day, but somewhat busy otherwise. Tremblant is much less busy for riding.

I say you just plan to come up. Clean bill means you race, question mark means you train and support your family members. Win win.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Haven't read through all posts, but can you post your EKG on here, and have you had an echocardiogram (ultrasound of your heart) yet? Depends on what your primary doctor is seeing and what an echo shows, in regards to risk. ER doctor here.. just my 2 cents. Your doctor should be able to order that first without the cardiology visit.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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As a race director, wife, and mom, I respectfully request you not toe the line.
There will be plenty of racing opportunities in your future once you resolve the potential problem.
If the RD of IMMT knew you had a potential problem and are currently under doctor's advisement not to race; the RD would refuse your entry.
Best wishes that all is ok, but really.....sit this one out.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [giddy-up-n-go] [ In reply to ]
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Kat,
I'm not racing. I fancy myself a relatively intelligent individual and I know that toeing the line without having a clean bill of health is monumentally idiotic. My wife wouldn't allow it anyway (and she has a $1 million dollar payday if I were to drop dead so I guess she must actually love me)... nor would my brother and sister who are racing. My guess is my wife will hide my tri bike so that I can't even take it to the shop for transport by TBT.
:-)

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GMAN19030 wrote:
Kat,
I'm not racing. I fancy myself a relatively intelligent individual and I know that toeing the line without having a clean bill of health is monumentally idiotic. My wife wouldn't allow it anyway (and she has a $1 million dollar payday if I were to drop dead so I guess she must actually love me)... nor would my brother and sister who are racing. My guess is my wife will hide my tri bike so that I can't even take it to the shop for transport by TBT.
:-)

The problem with this plan is that there are probably 100 bikes to pick from at the expo that you could race on in the event you get a clean bill of health which I suspect you will. Hopefully we can catch up at Tremblant! I say ship the bike with the plan of just exploring the Tremblant region on the bike and supporting your family members on race day.
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Wow man, sorry to hear about this. Things seemed to be going decent early on at Whistler. I know you kept me motivated a number of times through the race. Hopefully it is just a minor scare and you'll be back with a vengeance next year.

Definitely ship your bike off and enjoy some easy ride time around the area before the race.

Hope to see you back at Whistler next year (doh, did I just say that? I haven't told my wife yet).
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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When faced with a tough decision like this, I find it helpful to weigh pros and cons:

Pros
  1. You get to race
  2. You won't lose any registration money
  3. Your season won't be a complete bust
  4. You get to do IMMT which you have been itching to do

Cons
  1. You die

Tough choice there. Good luck.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Don't race. Whether or not your heart would be fine, your mind is already in the wrong spot. I race IMMT a month after a bad bike crash and had a crappy race-had to walk on the run (with my head down, in the rain)...The next year all was good and had the race I had hoped. I know it sucks to miss out on something like this-but don't let it be your LAST race if you know what I mean....

And more importantly, you wife and family will think you are a selfish asshole-which I know will not go over well. Mont Tremblant is beautiful, go to the Scandinavian Spa instead.



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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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DJRed wrote:
When faced with a tough decision like this, I find it helpful to weigh pros and cons:

Pros
  1. You get to race
  2. You won't lose any registration money
  3. Your season won't be a complete bust
  4. You get to do IMMT which you have been itching to do

Cons
  1. You die

Tough choice there. Good luck.

So you're saying there are more pros than cons???

;-)

The decision has been made to not race. The one con mentioned above is really the only piece of criteria on which to base a decision. Is doing a stupid triathlon worth the chance (no matter how small of a chance) of possibly dropping dead. The answer is a resounding "Hell No!"

I have a cardiologist appointment on Thursday so we can start the testing and see what we can find out.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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I would definitely get checked out by a cardiologist before ANY more races or training for that matter. Do you want to be that guy that drops dead during the latest IM race? I didn't think so. You have to be responsible given the situation. As another poster said, you have to think of your family. Triathlon is a lifestyle, but at the end of the day it is for health and enjoyment. Doing something counterproductive to your overall goals isn't sensible.

Transfer the registration to another race. Support your family at the race and perhaps volunteer as well. I had to get checked out once too. EKG, blood work, halter monitor, echocardiogram, stress test and tilt table test. It turned out everything was fine, but I am really glad moving forward that I was checked out. The peace of mind you will enjoy moving forward is invaluable.

UPDATE-I just read your last post. I'm really glad to see that you decided to pull the plug (no pun intended) on IMMT and get checked out. No matter the result, you won't regret it. If something is found then it's the best decision you ever made. If they don't find anything then you were being responsible to yourself and family. I'm glad you made the right decision. Good luck and I'm sure everything will work out fine!
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JenSw wrote:

  • Don't do the race and not risk something going wrong with my ticker

This. And volunteer if you will be there anyway.


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And more importantly, you wife and family will think you are a selfish asshole-which I know will not go over well. Mont Tremblant is beautiful, go to the Scandinavian Spa instead.

This. End of story. Frankly, doing this race shouldn't even be a consideration at this point. It's just not worth the risk. Best of luck to you!
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Yes, more pros than cons!

Good luck and let's hope this is a minor bump in the road.

I went through something similar this spring. Went through a battery of tests and was given the full steam ahead. Forget about your body, having the tests done set the mind right, too.

Best.
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Blood work, stress test, echocardiogram came back perfect. It appears I don't have any heart issues. I have a follow up with the cardiologist when I get back from our Mont-Tremblant/Montreal vacation.

All that stated, I passed out in the elevator at the Marriott Residence Inn Mont-Tremblant on Friday night about 10 minutes after getting out of the hotel hot tub. Blood pressure dropped and out I went. Woke up in a pool of my own blood. The elevator floor looked like a crime scene. Head wounds bleed a lot. There's no evening/night urgent care in Mont-Tremblant so my wife had to drive me to the hospital in St. Agathe-Des-Monts about 30 miles away. Spent 5 hours there.

The hot tub clearly contributed to the low blood pressure drop but I should have been smart enough to know not to go in there with the blood pressure issues I have been having.

No post-massacre elevator pics. My wife almost threw up when she saw the elevator floor.

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It appears I don't have any heart issues.

This line appears to be at odds with the rest of your post.

FWIW- even with the gash/ stitches, you're a handsome, handsome man.






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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Tri-Banter wrote:
It appears I don't have any heart issues.

This line appears to be at odds with the rest of your post.

Right.

Medical science seems to think otherwise for now.

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Might want to get checked out for orthostatic (postural) hypotension. I was sitting in a hot shower once, stood up and passed out cold. Something as simple as a B-12 deficiency can cause it. Combined with low BP and heart rate in endurance athletes it can be more pronounced. In my case it just runs in the family. But it's manageable if I watch what I'm doing.. like not standing up too quickly after sitting for a bit, avoiding the hot tub/sauna, etc.
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All tests have been examined and everything shows a perfectly healthy and functional heart. I hadn't seen the doc since the Mont-Tremblant elevator episode so I had that story to tell when he asked how I had been feeling. He was confident that was just a coincidental vasovagal response to the hot tub but he wants me to go so an electrophysiologist and have some more testing just to rule abnormal heart rhythms that have not been apparent in any testing done so far. He thinks everything will be perfectly fine with that as well. That's an over abundance of caution kind of thing. So my ticker seems to be fine. I was given a greenlight to resume exercise but nothing extreme. His words were "No Ironman races or marathons in the next month or so until we can completely rule out any heart issues." So I'm going to start running some. I'm signed up for the Philly Marathon in November so I'm going to do some shorter distance running to stay active in hopes I can carry on with that and ramp it up soon.

Something is still off so I guess I need to go back to my doc and see what else. Maybe some more advanced blood screening to see if something else is causing issues. Or perhaps there is something I need to tweak when it comes to my diet.

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I was sent to an electrophysiologist - probably 12 years ago now

I'd just finished a run on LSD in Chicago, got in to the apartment, sat down, was watching some golf, still had HRM on, HR spiked. Had not even got changed so, went out, crossed the road, walked in to the ED at the hospital which was literally at the end of the street - walk to desk, totally disinterested, just asked name, insurance, whats the problem - I said I think my HR's a little high, how high, 250-300 bpm - look at me like I'm an idiot, ask for my wrist to take my pulse - well that straightened them out, dont pass go, dont collect 200, straight to the front of the queue, in on a trolley, cardiologist on call, drips.

24 hours later pick up holter monitor from PCP, results wednesday night, referral in to electrophysiologist thursday / friday at northwestern - says have an ablation, i say what if I dont, he say's not a good idea, I said when can you do it, he said when do you want it, I said tomorrow - I think it was done within about 10 days, no exercise for a week, one week back then mrs t's

no problems since related to that - it was quite the experience
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Update: Spent the last month wearing an eCardio monitoring device. Also did the Tilt Table test (I eventually passed out on it with the help of a nitro glycerine tablet).


I'm sure I'm gonna butcher some of the medical mumbo jumbo but after nearly two months of a bunch of tests I have been given an all clear. My heart is in perfect condition and functioning normally. So the good news is there's nothing wrong with my ticker.


The issues I have are:

1. Vasovagal Syncope
2. Bradycardia

Neither of these things presents a serious problem unless one has an underlying cardiac issue... which I thankfully do not. So I won't be dropping dead from a heart attack any time soon.

All humans have some level of vasovagal syncope as it's our body's natural response to certain things (like standing up really quickly after lying down or sitting for a period of time). It's that lightheadedness or dizziness felt due to a quick drop in blood pressure and heart rate. I have somehow developed a hypersensitivity to that response. My response is more severe than most people's response. I get dizzy and lightheaded more easily than most or pass out in a hotel elevator after being in the hot tub easier than most. :-)

Bradycardia is basically a slower than normal heart rate which often brings with it lower than normal blood pressure. Just about all endurance athletes have some level of bradycardia (and an associated largening of the heart) because the heart is a muscle and all that cardio works out that muscle.

So you can see why I'm having some issues because my heart rate and blood pressure are low to begin with so it doesn't take much to trigger my already sensitive vasovagal response.


So the docs suggested I just be mindful of my issues and be careful of the triggers that may cause me problems. Stay well hydrated and know the signs.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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I have the same problem. I'm so glad that you posted this as it made me rethink things. When I have the pressure drop my heart goes into a vascular tachycardia-very high and very frightening. You're right about the rehydration but I think we should rehydrate with a sports drink containing electrolytes.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [frenchfried] [ In reply to ]
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gman,

vasovagal sucks! but it's generally a term giving when md's have no idea why someone is fainting.

make sure you have someone check for WPW. it can come up a bit weird on ECG/EKG's.

good luck.

john
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Jumped in late on this thread but 2 main things:

1) thanks for keeping us updated
2) glad its all working out
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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Having been dealing with very similar problems from 2011-2013 and finally having had a full year of health back this year I know where you are coming from. Good to see you are doing well. It's good to be given a green light on activity and health but I am still precautions in many ways. Keep in tune with your body and your heart.
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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Andrewmc wrote:
I'd just finished a run on LSD in Chicago, got in to the apartment, sat down, was watching some golf, still had HRM on, HR spiked.

LSD, the drug?
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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [eatmydirt] [ In reply to ]
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eatmydirt wrote:
Andrewmc wrote:
I'd just finished a run on LSD in Chicago, got in to the apartment, sat down, was watching some golf, still had HRM on, HR spiked.


LSD, the drug?

Yes. The sweet old Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds sports enhancer. Chicago has a problem with it, especially with people who do their Long Slow Distance runs. Even worse on Lake Shore Drive.






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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [ahhchon] [ In reply to ]
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ahhchon wrote:
gman,

vasovagal sucks! but it's generally a term giving when md's have no idea why someone is fainting.

make sure you have someone check for WPW. it can come up a bit weird on ECG/EKG's.

good luck.

john

My heart is spot on from an electrical standpoint. I don't have tachycardia symptoms at all... I actually have the opposite.

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Re: Potential heart issues with IMMT looming [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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I'm glad to hear good news on your health. Thanks for the update!
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