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New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle
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http://xlab-usa.com/torpedo-system.html

Looks pretty cool. Addresses the computer position problem that the Profile Design bottle presents, and also offers a more aero and probably more user friendly straw. The shape looks very aero and low profile. I would love to see someone like DC Rainmaker do another wind tunnel or track/aero test on this setup.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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It looks like their original BTA + Computer configuration reversed, with the addition of a new bottle design.

It's cool to see and compare the various BTA systems. Nathan, Profile Design, X-lab, Speedfil, Zipp

With all that in mind, there is something to be said for simplicity. I think the original PD HC & UCM mounts produce the same results for a lot less than $130. Not to mention the McGyver zip-tie crew, who will no doubt chime in here.

Edit: Zipp added


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Jamaican] [ In reply to ]
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nice but too expensive for me. I'll stick with my Torhans.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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wow pricey

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Jamaican] [ In reply to ]
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BAM! McGyver crew in the house - hard to beat 4 zip ties and a bottle cage: simple, secure, aero.
While I love shiny tech as much as the next guy, it's hard to justify $130 for a rounded bottle, bendy straw, and computer mount.
It does look pretty sweet though...
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TriMatt] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. Zip ties and cage is all I did.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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I'll see if I can dig up a pic of the old BTA setup I had that's almost exactly the same. Drill a bottle and insert a camelbak tube and bite valve, glue a hose clip to the top, zip tie the cage. $10 and 20min of work.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TriMatt] [ In reply to ]
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TriMatt wrote:
BAM! McGyver crew in the house - hard to beat 4 zip ties and a bottle cage: simple, secure, aero.
While I love shiny tech as much as the next guy, it's hard to justify $130 for a rounded bottle, bendy straw, and computer mount.
It does look pretty sweet though...

x2. We seem to like to make easy things complicated. Looks nice, but does it solve any existing problems?
I have a speedfil A2, but the last several rides just been using a plain old bottle an think i like it better. Much more versatile, especially for an IM. I could see going back to the speedfil for a HIM though since I can get by with one bottle
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TriMatt] [ In reply to ]
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TriMatt wrote:
BAM! McGyver crew in the house - hard to beat 4 zip ties and a bottle cage: simple, secure, aero.
While I love shiny tech as much as the next guy, it's hard to justify $130 for a rounded bottle, bendy straw, and computer mount.
It does look pretty sweet though...

To be fair, the aluminum/non-carbon cage version is $75.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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A solution to a problem that doesn't exist! :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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It doesn't have to "solve a problem" any more than the A2 or any other new product. That's the wrong question to ask. It just has to be an improvement that enough people consider worth the price.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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That's the slickest straw I've seen on a bottle. Equals the hydration system on a Shiv in my opinion. I'll be curious to see how durable the nylon cage is on the System 100.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [GAUG3] [ In reply to ]
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For the zip ties and cage guys. What has been your experience with the fit of the bottle hand ups in HIM and IM, specifically the off the grocers shelf sport top water bottles. Any issues with them moving around? Been using a Tor Hans thinking of just the BTA cage.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Stelvio wrote:
For the zip ties and cage guys. What has been your experience with the fit of the bottle hand ups in HIM and IM, specifically the off the grocers shelf sport top water bottles. Any issues with them moving around? Been using a Tor Hans thinking of just the BTA cage.

I lost several perform bottles on the bumpy roads at IMWI. No problems at IMCDA.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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I would love to see a picture of this. Sounds like a great day project for my son and I to hammer out for some fun.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Stelvio wrote:
For the zip ties and cage guys. What has been your experience with the fit of the bottle hand ups in HIM and IM, specifically the off the grocers shelf sport top water bottles. Any issues with them moving around? Been using a Tor Hans thinking of just the BTA cage.

If you take an elastic hair tie and loop it to the BTA bottle cage you can then pull it up over the top of the bottle and you'll never lose a bottle again.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mgratton33] [ In reply to ]
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Simple is hard enough


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [txtriathlete] [ In reply to ]
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nice idea with the Velcro, was going to go that route with mine until I noticed how nicely it tucked in between the cage and mounting plate.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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The xlab looks cool and functional but as others stated its pricey.
Wanted to go the profile hc route but its still not available yet in Europe I went the zip tie route, will ride it now first time.

@Txtriathlete... Did you use a fitting for the straw? Hard to see in the picture. Thumbs up for the Velcro.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Haven't done an IM. On the HIM, I never took the water to drink. I carried my own for hydration. The only bottle I took was to pour over myself for cooling. I wouldn't think it would be a problem with those other bottles because the cage is low enough to where my forearms craddle the bottle.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [jonahsdad] [ In reply to ]
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jonahsdad wrote:
Stelvio wrote:
For the zip ties and cage guys. What has been your experience with the fit of the bottle hand ups in HIM and IM, specifically the off the grocers shelf sport top water bottles. Any issues with them moving around? Been using a Tor Hans thinking of just the BTA cage.


I lost several perform bottles on the bumpy roads at IMWI. No problems at IMCDA.

For 1st IM I used BTA w/o a cage. Just laid the bottle between the bars and pulled rubber bands over to secure. No issues w/ fit or loss.
For 2nd IM I used BTA w/ a cage - after experimenting w/ different cages (I already owned) during training to find one that gripped sufficiently tightly (some are much better than others). No issues w/ fit or loss.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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Well, I just got the new Profile Design version. My gut feels like I would like this better, but I am not unsatisfied with the PD setup.

I find that the straw sitting at my face makes me drink casually. Its much SAFER to not have to leave the aero bars to drink with a normal bottle BTA. Not that it is very unsafe in doing so but still. Ive had 1 hand on the aerobar and hit a road reflector that made my heart jump!

I added my own bite valve to my PD setup. The computer is a little further back than Id like, but Its probably more "aero" behind the bottle so I will take it for what it is!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, this probably looks like the best option out there but I think X-lab missed the mark on the price. Especially with with the multiple, much cheaper options in the marketplace, I think this product will have a tough time appealing to the masses (unless the bottle itself is sold separately)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pml] [ In reply to ]
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Thought I would chime in on the pricing complaint.

The Torpedo System 400 is $135 because it comes with a carbon fiber cage and a carbon fiber mount which cannot be compared to other complete systems on the market right now. When I say complete I mean you can buy a system that comes with bottle, cage, comp mount and all the sweet accessories.

The Torpedo System 100 is $75 and comes with a nylon composite cage and an aluminum mount. This system is comparable to the other complete systems on the market right now including materials and pricing.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Thought I would chime in on the pricing complaint.

The Torpedo System 400 is $135 because it comes with a carbon fiber cage and a carbon fiber mount which cannot be compared to other complete systems on the market right now. When I say complete I mean you can buy a system that comes with bottle, cage, comp mount and all the sweet accessories.

The Torpedo System 100 is $75 and comes with a nylon composite cage and an aluminum mount. This system is comparable to the other complete systems on the market right now including materials and pricing.

Candice - do you have an availability date for this product? I've spoken with several friends and the consensus is that this product appears to meet all of the requirements we have been hoping for in a BTA solution.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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"The Torpedo System 400 is $135 because it comes with a carbon fiber cage and a carbon fiber mount which cannot be compared to other complete systems on the market right now."

Exactly my point. I am sure there are plenty of people that will still buy this but you are paying a premimum for carbon products that are not even necessary to have a BTA. I think this price point will prove too much for the average triathlon consumer who can get a solid BTA set up for far less. I guess only time will prove me right or wrong.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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We should start shipping to dealers end of this month. We are close to selling out of the 1st batch so make sure you call your dealer today and get one on order so you don't have to wait for the second batch to come in.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pml] [ In reply to ]
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Understand your viewpoint :)

I agree with you for the average triathlon consumer the Torpedo System 100 is the better option for them. There are riders out there however that are concerned about weight and want the very best materials to put on their bike and that is where the Torpedo System 400 comes into play.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Just pre-ordered the 400 system! Looking forward to getting it on my bike.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Is there just a bottle option? For a P5 we don't need the bottle mount, etc.

Thank you.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [david] [ In reply to ]
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Hi David,

Love the P5! Yes there will be just a bottle option, but we are focusing on the systems at the moment. Will know more details about the bottles closer to the end of this month.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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Nice! What bike are you putting it on?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [david] [ In reply to ]
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I'd love just a bottle option as well! I've already got my own homemade torpedo-esque mount + garmin mount, so wouldn't have much need for the options that come with it.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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It going on my 2012 P2. And it is replacing the aero drink system
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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Very nice! Well I have tested a prototype out on my 2013 P2 and it worked amazingly! You will love it :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I'm looking for the bottle to put on my Speed Concept to fit in the 9 series cockpit. I currently have the speedfill A2 which I've used and love but it's time to get sleek and this bottle has everything I'm looking for in a nice little package.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [DanSzajta] [ In reply to ]
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I found the 400 system for 106 shipped and went with it.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [DanSzajta] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely sleek! Just recently won its first race too! Meredith Kessler sported a pre-production version at 70.3 Vineman this weekend.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I like the look of this product. I especially like the computer mount forward of the bottle for better viewing (hopefully). I may pick one up.

Question: Will the computer mount accommodate the 'old' Powertap LYC?


Jamie
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Stelvio wrote:
For the zip ties and cage guys. What has been your experience with the fit of the bottle hand ups in HIM and IM, specifically the off the grocers shelf sport top water bottles. Any issues with them moving around? Been using a Tor Hans thinking of just the BTA cage.

My biggest problem wasn't necessarily the fit, but rather volunteers removing the caps from the bottles. A water bottle with no cap was just about useless.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Did the deliver date for the 400 system get pushed back to August 22?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JamieJ] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Jamie,

Yes it should accommodate that although we haven't tested that one specifically. Meredith Kessler has the 1st gen Cycleops power meter and was able to mount that in front. If I recall the old Powertap LYC is shorter than the Cycleops power meter.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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No...first batch should be shipping end of this month, if anything it would slip to 1st week of August, but definitely not August 22nd. 2nd batch is most likely around end of August/beginning of September timeframe. Where did you hear August 22nd?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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The company (Arts Cyclery) that I pre-ordered through changed their delivery date on the 400 to August 22. But kept the 100 system date of July 22. I called to see if it was a misprint, but the rep I got just said their web site is right.
Thanks for answering my question, I'm looking forward to getting it by the end of the month.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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I would trust the dealer on when they are available to you. We are getting a lot of feedback from our dealers saying they have a lot of pre-orders already for them.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice -Will the Garmin 800/810 fit the mount?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loosegroove] [ In reply to ]
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No they won't fit on the mount with the bottle. You can still use the bottle, but will have to use a separate computer mount that attaches directly to your aerobars.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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After ERO testing today, I think it's safe to say you'll be seeing the Torpedo on Luke McKenzie's bike from here forward. I'd bet the Stealth Pocket 400 will adorn his top tube, too. Just a guess. ;-)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Jim!

Thanks for the guessing. We were thinking the same thing :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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looks good, and glad to see it fits between a later model P2, as i find the bar extensions (3T) fairly narrow. I wonder how this compares to the torhans. I like the fact with the torhans you just have to drink because the straw is right there, however there is drag from the bottle (cant remember how much). In this instance there no doubt is no drag with the xlab (or minimal) but you do have to move to get the straw.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Very nice! Well I have tested a prototype out on my 2013 P2 and it worked amazingly! You will love it :)

Its great to hear it fit perfectly in a P2. I can't wait for it to arrive Singapore shores.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Yes I have a 2013 P2 and been testing a pre-production one. Fits perfectly; especially with the new mount we installed called the Torpedo Mini Mount...much narrower than our standard Torpedo Mount. As far as moving to get the straw it is very minimal movement and you can technically leave it untucked if you wanted.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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thanks for that candice. I just checked my 3t bars, there is 6cm inbetween them, not a lot of room!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [paulbanday] [ In reply to ]
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Make sure you request it at your dealer or contact our distributor, Wasp. Showing there's demand will help get it there sooner rather than later :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Well I just measured my mount and the widest part is roughly 5cm ;) I think you will be good! Really have to remember to post a pic of the new mount on the website. Setting myself a reminder now.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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great to see they can fit the skinny bars!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [DanSzajta] [ In reply to ]
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DanSzajta wrote:
I found the 400 system for 106 shipped and went with it.
Dan,

Where was that and did they give a ship date? I'd like to pick one up but would like a few rides on it before my IM Aug 18.

Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Arts cyclery. Should ship the 22nd. I'm also planning on using it at IMMT in a few weeks

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I ordered it from my LBS (Nytro), hopefully their website date of 9/13 is not accurate. This will fit a garmin quick release/910xt right?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
We should start shipping to dealers end of this month. We are close to selling out of the 1st batch so make sure you call your dealer today and get one on order so you don't have to wait for the second batch to come in.


Candice,

Are you aware of any shop (mail order) that hasn't sold out of the first batch of the 100 series. I'm looking to place an order but want to get it as soon as possible to use in practice before race day 8/18 (IMMT).

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [allcentury] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

Yes it will fit the garmin 910xt but requires the quick release kit as you mentioned. If I were you I would confirm with Nytro on that date so you know for sure.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Tom, Unfortunately I am not given this information. We have just received feedback that stores are getting a lot of pre-orders for these. I would check with the big online stores and get dates from them.

Sorry I can't be of more help. :-(

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice

two questions:

1) Have you tested this on Pro Missile Evo with the aero extensions set in the "narrow" position? I had your old Torpedo mount, but I could not fit any bottle on that one as the pads are too narrow.

2) When will we be seeing this en Europe and will the price be inflated compared to US price like many of the other xlab products?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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eigner wrote:
Hi Candice

two questions:

1) Have you tested this on Pro Missile Evo with the aero extensions set in the "narrow" position? I had your old Torpedo mount, but I could not fit any bottle on that one as the pads are too narrow.

Pretty sure it is the same Torpedo mounting plate. You could set the plate under the bars and use the spacers to raise up the bottle cage? Just a thought.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I placed my order with Art's Cyclery on 7/17/13. The inital backorder ship date was for 7/22/13. Then the ship date went to 8/5/13. That day as well has come and gone. I wrote them a E-Mail 4 days ago about a possible update on shipping. No reply. I had ordered the 100. Has anyone got there bottle/system yet?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bwain] [ In reply to ]
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can't.

And would need a lot of spacers to rise the bottle cage above bars and pads. The pads are so narrow that at the moment I have a speedfill A2 bottle simply squeezed in between the pads and just secured by the Velcro band that came with the A2. No cage can fit in between the pads. And the bottle only fits when I place it there, between the pads, while empty. So I would need a narrow torpedo mount that have risers to lift up the bottle cage above the pads for it to fit. As far as I remember, I am pretty sure Crowie runs Pro Missile Evo bars on his Shiv. And if the marketing is true, that Crowie tested this Torpedo 400 system on his bike, then I just assume it would fit. But then again, it would not be the first time that athletes get gear custom to them while the public gets a standardized version.

Her is how it looks: https://www.dropbox.com/...qh16cl7/E138cGQ8fj#/
https://www.dropbox.com/...jdshqjspn/BTibkPWyII
https://www.dropbox.com/...8srt0dckz/DphlxLJKmz
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Vanwolfenstein] [ In reply to ]
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Was curious about this a couple of days ago and Art's at the time said in stock 22 AUG for non carbon version. didn't look at the more expensive one.

Jamie
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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I just installed the new x-lab system on my wife's bike and I have the original torpedo on my bike. The torpedo base on the new one is a "mini base" and is a touch less wide than the original one. It also has 2 sizes of risers that can be combined to lift the bottle around 1.5" if I had to guess, but i didn't measure it. I think with the combination of a smaller base and risers you should be able to get the bottle to sit just above your bars. Overall the system is really nice and a step above the A2, which is what my wife had prior to this. The straw can be a little hard to tuck in the whale tail but overtime I think it will mold better to it.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Vanwolfenstein] [ In reply to ]
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Ken,

In the same boat here, order on the 17th too. I'm only 10 days out from my IM, so I searched elsewhere and found it at InsideOut Sports yesterday and has already shipped in time for a few test rides this weekend. I canceled my order with Art's.


To be fair to them X-Lab only received them from their manufacture on the 26th I believe, so all the delay is not them. Maybe X-Lab couldn't fill as many first round orders as they thought they could.


Check the twitter feed on the X-Lab website for other places that might have stock.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [msm7182] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like it actually is the solution I have been looking for then! Especially how it handles the straw is nice. I have been working on getting some magnets for my A2 to fix it like the Shiv. Only problem is, that the straw is really not that flexible and I was hoping to find a better system altogether. Looks like xlab finally produced something that is worth looking into :)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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What about just buying the bottle and laying it on top of the bars? You can secure it with bands of some sort and since you don't have to take it in and out it won't really matter.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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After all your testing, is there one setup that you would suggest someone who is not able to drop coin on testing? Such as, is it safest to do BTA and one zip tied to the saddle? Is putting bottles on the top and down tube not that significant?

I'm on an SC if you want to be overly specific but generalizing is fine.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

1. The refillable Torpedo System comes with a narrower plate than the standard Torpedo mount. It is also longer. We are gathering a list of the aerobars we have tested on and will be publishing it under the Compatibility section of our website shortly, most likely next week.

2. They are starting to ship in Europe. I know UK dealers just received them in...where are you located? We are assuming a minor inflation, but what we have seen so far, at least in UK, is that the prices are equal to the prices here.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, Crowie did test this system on his bike but he did not have any custom hardware to make it work for him. We put the mount over his stem to make it work. I believe he had 1 set of spacers on there and I can tell you he is riding a narrow setup. The Torpedo System comes with 2 different height of aero spacers. Also you may be thinking if the mount is above the stem it will rattle...we include felt circles to place on your mount to avoid this.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Stelvio] [ In reply to ]
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Hey

Yes we had a lot of bottles on the first batch, but the demand was so high we had to limit how many we sold to each retailer so that we could cover a wider geographic area and support the local retailer and be able to send them globally without much delay. If you check out our Facebook page you can see it was a 'all hands on deck' approach to getting these systems out as fast as possible.

If anyone needs assistance finding a system you can give us a call. We are currently generating a report of the stores that have sold out of them and can give you a list that may still have some in stock. Note that our second batch is right around the corner and most retailers who took systems have pre-orders in for the second batch, as well as retailers who missed out on the first batch.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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I still don't like the fact that you have to take your hands off the aerobars to lift up and put back the straw everytime you need to drink (like the Shiv). That's why I prefer the PD Aero HC setup. It's right there!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [drluke12] [ In reply to ]
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Just for clarification the Torpedo System does not require you to put the straw back flat. In fact Meredith Kessler on both her Vineman and Lake Stevens races did not lay the straw flat and kept it upright.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
After all your testing, is there one setup that you would suggest someone who is not able to drop coin on testing? Such as, is it safest to do BTA and one zip tied to the saddle? Is putting bottles on the top and down tube not that significant?

I'm on an SC if you want to be overly specific but generalizing is fine.

I wish it were that easy, but aero is very personal. I know it's be written over and over again, but what works for one athlete will not necessarily work for another. Typically, if I comment on a particular piece of equipment being fast, it's because it's tested well for several athletes and/or setups.

Since this is a thread about the Torpedo, I comment on how good it is because it's tested well for every athlete we've seen use it. For instance, both Crowie and Luke McKenzie have tested the bottle here at ERO and seen a reduction in CdA, which is interesting since they have very different arm positions on the bike. Crowie is pretty standard with his arms, but Luke has raised extensions (his hands are higher than his elbows). They're not as high as they used to be because we found that a slightly lower angle was better for him during his fit, but they're still quite different. It was interesting to note that it didn't matter to the Torpedo, it was about the same advantage for both of them. Pretty cool.

In the end, though, if you're going to have a bottle behind you, keep it close to the saddle. Frame mounted bottles are fairly benign, though sometimes there's a small aero penalty. Go with the setup that allows you to stay in your aero position more, and you'll be faster. Oh, and the newer airfoil shaped "bento" boxes are surprisingly good.

Jim Manton / ERO Sports
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
radelj44 wrote:
After all your testing, is there one setup that you would suggest someone who is not able to drop coin on testing? Such as, is it safest to do BTA and one zip tied to the saddle? Is putting bottles on the top and down tube not that significant?

I'm on an SC if you want to be overly specific but generalizing is fine.


I wish it were that easy, but aero is very personal. I know it's be written over and over again, but what works for one athlete will not necessarily work for another. Typically, if I comment on a particular piece of equipment being fast, it's because it's tested well for several athletes and/or setups.

Since this is a thread about the Torpedo, I comment on how good it is because it's tested well for every athlete we've seen use it. For instance, both Crowie and Luke McKenzie have tested the bottle here at ERO and seen a reduction in CdA, which is interesting since they have very different arm positions on the bike. Crowie is pretty standard with his arms, but Luke has raised extensions (his hands are higher than his elbows). They're not as high as they used to be because we found that a slightly lower angle was better for him during his fit, but they're still quite different. It was interesting to note that it didn't matter to the Torpedo, it was about the same advantage for both of them. Pretty cool.

In the end, though, if you're going to have a bottle behind you, keep it close to the saddle. Frame mounted bottles are fairly benign, though sometimes there's a small aero penalty. Go with the setup that allows you to stay in your aero position more, and you'll be faster. Oh, and the newer airfoil shaped "bento" boxes are surprisingly good.

You really need to post more :)

ChrisM(enjou)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Can you comment whether there any plans to sell just the bottle without the mount Candice?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, bottle will be sold separately. I was told by Xlab after the initial shipment of the packages are sent out.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Timtek wrote:
Can you comment whether there any plans to sell just the bottle without the mount Candice?

I'm interested in this as well.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pml] [ In reply to ]
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pml wrote:
Yes, bottle will be sold separately. I was told by Xlab after the initial shipment of the packages are shipped.

Well I guess the final question from me is whether it fits Profile Design Carbon Stryke aerobars. And I guess I'll know that when they publish the list in a week.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - It's tough to tell from the pictures, but from what i can tell, the difference between the 100 and the 400 is 1) the cages, 2) colored spacers & bite valve, & 3)carbon vs. aluminum mounting plate. Correct? Assuming that, if I already have a torpedo cage, I'm assuming I can just mount it on the 100 and essentially have the same setup as the 400, correct? Is the clip for the straw integrated on to the bottle or the cages? Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Someone already beat me to it, sorry for the delay. Yes the bottle will be available to purchase by itself. It will come with the straw, bite valve, lids, and aero spacers. We are estimating these to be available end of this month if not earlier.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Hey...yes they will work on those aerobars. Don't have to wait a week :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [HoustonAg] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

If you go to the Models tab on the Torpedo page it explains the differences. But yes you are correct on the differences.

You can definitely do what you are suggesting if you have the Torpedo cage already and are ok with the alloy mount. The clip for the straw is on the bottle (http://xlab-usa.com/...phin-tail-design.jpg) note the picture is of a pre-production clip. The production one is more smooth. The bottle is also translucent white, not solid white.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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hey candice some comments on the posts on begginertri on this product u might want to take the time to respond to :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ck21trhc] [ In reply to ]
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Ah thanks for the heads up! Will check it out

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ck21trhc] [ In reply to ]
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I just saw yours, couldn't find any others, but I responded.

Sorry about the delay, but I do my best in replying to all posts when I can and when the rest of my work here at XLAB allows. The Slowtwitch community has been the most active and so I spent my time here.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [drluke12] [ In reply to ]
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If you have not tried the shiv set up you are missing something really good . Very easy to use the straw while on the areo bars. Really cleans up the front end of the bike. My garmin right there, nothing in the way. I have not had one issue since taking delivery on my s works shiv.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Got my Torpedo 100 from IOS today! Excellent system. Had a chance to put it through its paces tonight. Admittedly have never use another refillable bottle up front but there can't be any comparison. Fantastic implementation. I did find the "dolphin tail" to be a bit too tight of a fit to quickly put the straw down/up. So, I'm using industrial strength Velcro on the straw and bottle body. Super easy to push down and pull up now.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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It's. a. Holder. Of. A. Water. Bottle.

Holy fuck.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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Glad you like it and thanks for the feedback on the dolphin tail. The cage on the Torpedo 100 does sit closer to the tail than the Torpedo cage thus the tighter fit you experienced. Have any pics you can post so we can all see the setup?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Just for clarification the Torpedo System does not require you to put the straw back flat. In fact Meredith Kessler on both her Vineman and Lake Stevens races did not lay the straw flat and kept it upright.

And this is how you sold me! So, do you have any pics of Merideth that you can share or link to so I can see the straw position?

thanks,
Jamie
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Snapped this as I was walking out the door this morning.

Also, to answer someone elses question about the straw - if its not "strapped" down in some way, it stands straight up. So no worries there.



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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JamieJ] [ In reply to ]
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Haha nice!

Here is a picture of Meredith at I believe Lake Stevens if I am not mistaken. She uses the front hole. Sorry I don't have a better picture. If you need a certain angle let me know.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Got my Torpedo 100 from IOS today! Excellent system. Had a chance to put it through its paces tonight. Admittedly have never use another refillable bottle up front but there can't be any comparison. Fantastic implementation. I did find the "dolphin tail" to be a bit too tight of a fit to quickly put the straw down/up. So, I'm using industrial strength Velcro on the straw and bottle body. Super easy to push down and pull up now.

I've long used the same thing approach for the tube of my Speedfil. I've got that industrial strength velcro on the aero bars and just put it down when in use. Works great.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ken Smith] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Ken, this is Evan from Art's Cyclery. We apologize for the delay on your order. We should receive another shipment of Torpedo Systems today (8/9) and will get your order sent out as soon as possible. The first batch we received sold out immediately so we are now waiting on the second batch to arrive. Thanks for your business and please let me know if you have any other questions!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Art's Cyclery] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for following up on my order. No apology necessary. I will look forward to seeing the X-Lab Torpedo in the mailbox shortly.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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I too got my 100 kit today and installed it right away. Couple of points I noticed. The plastic cage "arms" that comes with this kit interferes with the dolphin straw holder. The cage arms (unlike the carbon cage) comes up way higher on the bottle and sits right where the straw would tuck under the dolphin. Because of this interference, I really had to push hard the straw under the dolphin... which I don't like. As a temp solution, I am using a carbon cage that I have laying around and it seems to work. Also, I tried using a spacer/washer under the dolphin and that could be a solution too. But the cage arm is still in the way. You can look at the pics on the xlab website and you can see that the system 100 straw is pinched by the cage arm. Also while I was looking to see if any of my extra cages laying around would would with this bottle... you have to realize that there are notches on the bottom of the bottle and if the resting base on your cage is too wide, the notch (on the bottle) will not work with that cage. Also, if this same base is too small... the bottle can rotate in the cage (not a deal breaker, a lil bit of elec tape will fix it). Also, the bike computer that comes with this kit is very narrow. It actually is narrower than the round garmin mount. So my garmin mount doesn't sit securely using the rubber bands (maybe zip ties?). When I rotate my garmin to remove, the mount twists on the holder. I figure one of these days, when I am in a hurry, the mount will pop off and I'll be looking to parts...For me, I went back to where and how I had the garmin mounted. Overall, I like the bottle design. As for me, I frankensteined my BTA set up... (I am using parts from several vendors). I am also suggesting to my friends to order the 400 kit and get the better carbon cage...

BTW, I have the Shiv and I will be sticking my other straw under the dolphin... This is one of the main reason I like this bottle...

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [landho] [ In reply to ]
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This setup was something that I eagerly anticipated. I ordered it as soon as I could. I received my 100 last week and immediately installed it and did two rides with it (3.5 hours and 2 hours). Unfortunately, after those two rides I was very disappointed with the 100. My chief complaints with it are:

1. The straw/dolphin tail is effectively useless on the 100. It simply takes too much effort to get the straw tucked under there that I eventually gave up and left the straw standing up. The defeats one of the main reasons I got the 100 - too get the straw out of the wind.

2. I lost count on the number of times I had to readjust the bottle because it slipped forward out of the cage. Never so bad that I had to worry about it ejecting because the computer mount (I'll get to that next) would stop it's forward progress. The bottle would also try to rotate a bit as well occasionally. Mind you, I was riding some fairly ordinary roads. Nothing too extreme from a chip seal or poor pavement perspective.

3. When the bottle slipped forward, it would bump against the computer mount, which would in turn rotate my Garmin forward and down and out of view.

4. Finally, and most importantly, the computer mount is not stable enough to eliminate or at least dramatically dampen vibrations. Trying to read my Garmin was like watching chicks asses during some rap videos - lots of shaking going on. When mounted directly to my aero extension, my Garmin is crystal clear without any vibrations.

In the end, I took it off and asked the retailer if I could send it back for a refund. I wasn't sure if they would but it never hurts to ask. To my relief they said yes and I shipped it back today.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Got my 400 system last week in time for a long ride over the weekend. Everything worked great except for the silicon plug popped out somewhere in the 1st 30 miles of an 80 mile ride. Neither plug fit very tight to begin with, and to have it pop out caused a lot of problems on the remainder of the ride. So on my next ride I guess I'll have figure out a way to secure the plug either with tape or glue. But other than the plug problem I love the way the system worked.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [logella] [ In reply to ]
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We really appreciate your thorough review and we apologize for letting you down on your eager anticipation.

In regards to your bottle slipping forward, I am wondering if the bottle was all the way back? It takes some force to get the bottle out once the screws latch into the groove on the bottle.

For the computer vibrating this can be dampened by shifting the mounting straps forwards towards the front of the mount. Sorry if this was not clear or was not stated. I will add this to our helpful tips section on the webpage.

Over the past few days we have been busy coming up with a solution on one of the chief complaints that you have mentioned, the straw. We will be getting thinner straws in that will make tucking the straw under the dolphin tail much easier. Note it will still have some rigidity in order to stay vertical for those who don't want to tuck the straw all of the time, but it will be easier to tuck.

Slowtwitchers: If you bought a Torpedo 100 and want this thinner straw please contact us at info@xlab-usa.com. Please include your receipt showing proof of purchase.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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Glad you like the Torpedo System 400! BTW are you Van by chance?

Wanted to let you know we are looking at the straw plug issue internally. Will update everyone when I have more information from our engineers.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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i had to buy a torpedo 100 from the US on ebay from an authorized xlab dealer. Its on its way. Am i shit out of luck if the straw thing is an issue? im in aus.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely not. I have spoken with a few people who have 100s and have not found it to be an issue or don't mind it. Our distributors should have extra parts but we can always help you here in the US!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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excellent thank you :)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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In regards to your bottle slipping forward, I am wondering if the bottle was all the way back? It takes some force to get the bottle out once the screws latch into the groove on the bottle.

It was definitely as far back as it would go in the cage. I wonder if it makes a difference between the 100 and 400 cage. Just a thought. Does the 400 cage have more tension?

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For the computer vibrating this can be dampened by shifting the mounting straps forwards towards the front of the mount. Sorry if this was not clear or was not stated. I will add this to our helpful tips section on the webpage.
That was one of the adjustments I made between my first and second rides. It didn't really help. In the end, I rode with a finger resting on the mount to dampen the vibrations. If I was going to keep the setup one idea I had was to "frankenhack" it by looping a couple of zip ties directly between the computer mount and the aerobars.

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We will be getting thinner straws in that will make tucking the straw under the dolphin tail much easier.

This should help tremendously.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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"Slowtwitchers: If you bought a Torpedo 100 and want this thinner straw please contact us at info@xlab-usa.com. Please include your receipt showing proof of purchase"

Thanks Candice, I just emailed info@xlab-usa.com and requested a smaller straw. Will let ST'ers know when I get a response.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [logella] [ In reply to ]
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It was definitely as far back as it would go in the cage. I wonder if it makes a difference between the 100 and 400 cage. Just a thought. Does the 400 cage have more tension?
The 100 cage is more thick at the base than the 400 cage and this looks more like the issue. As you say the computer in front stopped it from moving forward but we of course want to make sure this doesn't happen.


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That was one of the adjustments I made between my first and second rides. It didn't really help. In the end, I rode with a finger resting on the mount to dampen the vibrations. If I was going to keep the setup one idea I had was to "frankenhack" it by looping a couple of zip ties directly between the computer mount and the aerobars.
Hmm ok I will double check this. Which computer were you riding?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ken Smith] [ In reply to ]
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Just received a return E-mail from Damon Vinje at X-Lab regarding requesting a thinner straw. Thank you X-Lab.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ken Smith] [ In reply to ]
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Yep Damon will be heading this effort and sending out the replacement ones...I have Interbike to plan :) We will get them out to you as soon as we can and we appreciate everyone's patience and understanding on this!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Can I get a confirmation that the bottle on the 100 system is the exact same bottle as the one on the 400 system?

Also, I have an Xlab Gorilla cage already mounted securely to my aero bars. Is this bottle expected to fit in the Xlab Gorilla cage fine?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Michael,

Yes the bottle is identical on the 100 and 400 systems. There are 2 bottles though for graphic purposes, one with a target icon and the other with a hibiscus icon. The main differences between the systems are the cage, mount material, color aero spacers and color bite valve.

All XLAB cages will work with the bottle and its accessories including the Gorilla cage.

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Which computer were you riding?

Garmin 500 using the Garmin mount zip tied to the xlab mount.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [logella] [ In reply to ]
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ok same one we have here in house. Will do some internal testing and see if we can duplicate it. Thanks for your help!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously. Did you forget to do some field test on this before launching the product?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Yellowdoggs] [ In reply to ]
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Yellowdoggs wrote:
... Everything worked great except for the silicon plug popped out somewhere in the 1st 30 miles of an 80 mile ride. Neither plug fit very tight to begin with, and to have it pop out caused a lot of problems on the remainder of the ride...
. I noticed that before my first ride. So I used tape.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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...It takes some force to get the bottle out once the screws latch into the groove on the bottle...

Hmmm. was this in the instructions? I must've missed this point... but these protruding screws would prevent me from using a regular bottle in the cage, right? I prefer regular insulated bottles on training rides...

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [landho] [ In reply to ]
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I've wrapped the plug in Teflon tape and it seems to fit better, but it does not snap into place. If it ever stops raining down here in Florida I'll get test and see how well the tape holds.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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No we did not forget to field test these products. The Torpedo 400, apart from the straw plug has no other issues reported and has in fact won 3 races in the pro field already. The Torpedo 100 had been thoroughly tested as was the Torpedo 400 and all of our products, however with a larger base using the systems, preferences & abilities are different than our limited testing base. We will be expanding our testing base for this very reason.

In addition, we jumped to finding solutions right away and have an immediate fix for the straw thickness after only 3-4 days of hearing about it.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [logella] [ In reply to ]
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Good review as my experience is the same....

1. It was hard as hell to get that straw down when I was riding especially at high speed. Straw Length - I think (who the hell knows with the shitty pics) you are supposed to push the straw in and all the way to the back? When I do this the straw is about 2-3 inches too short to my liking, obviously can solve this by pulling it towards the center, just means you cant use all the liquid in the tank.

2. Without the Computer mount the bottle could easily slip forward (See number 3)

3. There was no avaialble adjustment with the computer mount and my Garmin 810 really didnt fit well. It was jammed on and it had to be tilted forward and resting on the bottle. readable in Aero, but hard when upright. But kept the bottle in :)

4. I didnt not have any vibrations, that part seemed to work well for me.

5. Directions and photos - I was able to easily get this product together because I am not an idiot, but the 1 sheeter sucks.

Not sure I would send it back, but not really excited about it....

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [landho] [ In reply to ]
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Yes getting the bottle out is Step 1, #1. Inserting the bottle is on Step 2 #1.

No it won't prevent you from using a regular bottle. The screws don't protrude very far...just enough to latch onto the Torpedo bottle. We tested a few bottles and here are the results

With Aqua-Shot revealed a minor catch at the bottom of the bottle, but inserting & removing the bottle was still feasible.
Hydrapak Insulated - very minor catch, even less than the Aqua-Shot bottle.
Camelbak Podium bottles there was no catch due to the upturn found at the bottom.
Polar 24 oz - this can only be used if you don't have a computer at the front and you remove one of the spacers out of the screw. Our 20oz Polar bottle tester seems to have walked so I am going to get one and report back my findings on that bottle.

Hopefully I covered your bottle on one of the above :) but if not let me know and I can get it to test.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [jbolles] [ In reply to ]
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Hi and thanks for your comments. As I have posted on here we are getting the issues resolved.

For the straw - you are more than welcome to email us and we can get a thinner straw out to you. Just need to confirm the system model with a receipt.

For the slipping forward part we do have some hardware available that can raise the rear screw up more which will help catch the bottle preventing it from launching. Again you can email us and we are more than happy to help you here.

The Garmin 810 is one of the bigger computers, and on our website it is listed under the models that would require a barfly type computer mount in order to use the Torpedo System. You can still keep it up front in your line of sight however with the fact the Torpedo bottle is mounted back.

For the instructions they are available on our website so you can enlarge the photos. If you have any other suggestions on how we can improve them please do let me know. I personally design them and always welcome constructive feedback.

Hopefully we can get you excited about our product which a couple fixes from us :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
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No it won't prevent you from using a regular bottle. The screws don't protrude very far...just enough to latch onto the Torpedo bottle...
I read the instructions again. Where does it tell me to install the rear screw so that it protrudes to catch the long groove on the bottom of the bottle? Using the one little black round spacer [washer] in the package (not the aero spacers I presume)? I have the cheaper 100 bottle cage. I also sent you a pm...

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [landho] [ In reply to ]
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The initial batch of Torpedo 100s didn't have a protruding screw, we have this hardware package available. It includes some screws and a spacer and instructions on what to swap out. Just need to send us an email to info@xlab-usa.com with a receipt confirmation of your system and we can send one out to you today. Saw you pm and will respond to that.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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So everyone tested the 400 version and no one tried to actually fit in the straw on the 100 mount?

Interesting.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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Ha that is completely not what I said. Here it is again.
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The Torpedo 100 had been thoroughly tested as was the Torpedo 400 and all of our products...

Please don't try to state things I clearly did not say and are in fact completely false.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Then how come you now have to re-supply people with thin straws if it was tested?
How come you can not use with the most popular mount ever made: Garmin?

I was a split sec from purchasing the 100 model from a uk based dealer when I read about the problems and the solution for US custommers is to write someone and mail proof of purchase. What about EU custommers?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [eigner] [ In reply to ]
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Thin straws are a preference. Thick straws are still technically possible to tuck but can be difficult. Some users won't tuck the straw and this won't be an issue for them.

You do not have to mail proof of purchase. One can take a pic of their receipt and email it to us and we will send these spare parts out.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I just ordered a 400 in the UK, looking forward to try it out and form an opinion of myself.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [jbolles] [ In reply to ]
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jbolles wrote:
Good review as my experience is the same....

1. It was hard as hell to get that straw down when I was riding especially at high speed. Straw Length - I think (who the hell knows with the shitty pics) you are supposed to push the straw in and all the way to the back? When I do this the straw is about 2-3 inches too short to my liking, obviously can solve this by pulling it towards the center, just means you cant use all the liquid in the tank.

2. Without the Computer mount the bottle could easily slip forward (See number 3)

3. There was no avaialble adjustment with the computer mount and my Garmin 810 really didnt fit well. It was jammed on and it had to be tilted forward and resting on the bottle. readable in Aero, but hard when upright. But kept the bottle in :)

4. I didnt not have any vibrations, that part seemed to work well for me.

5. Directions and photos - I was able to easily get this product together because I am not an idiot, but the 1 sheeter sucks.

Not sure I would send it back, but not really excited about it....

Somewhat simimlar experience with the 400. The computer mount is just utterly useless - I went back to using a Barfly off the extensions. Everything about the mount is kludgy - but the biggest issue is that it is too narrow for the Garmin mount. Vibration was also an issue for me so the Barfly is back on and that is much better. Bonus, is that I have the 1/4 turn back so I can easily use the 910xt or Edge 510 without having to remove the Garmin mount and change the orientation.

The XLabs bottle is actually pretty good. I like it better than the Torhans, which spills way more (and that is with a sponge stuffed in the top hole) than the XLabs. The main concern I have with the XLabs is that little plug for the alternate straw hole - it pops out all the time. I'll likely just glue it in so it doesn't keep popping out. Poor design though - there needs to be a plug that is much more secure than this thing is. I don't mind the stiffer straw. Yea, its a little awkward tucking down but its not that bad to me. I guess the thinner straw could be of interest if they do it.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice, can you purchase just the bottle as I already have the xlab carbon mount and cage as part of my set up.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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FYI : I asked for a replacement straw on Tuesday and received the straw AND replacement screws today. Appreciate the fast service Candice and company. Used the equipment today on a 100 mile race rehearsal with no issues.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Forsey] [ In reply to ]
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Yes the bottle will be available on its own, called the "Torpedo Refill Upgrade Kit", but we haven't started shipping them yet. We are waiting for the 2nd batch to go out, hopefully in the next couple weeks. I will be creating the webpage for this very shortly and be able to list some retailers on there who will have them in stock.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ken Smith] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to hear the fixes helped. And of course happy to help get you back out there as fast as we can!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Looking for one of these myself. What's the price going to be?

Candice - XLAB wrote:
Yes the bottle will be available on its own, called the "Torpedo Refill Upgrade Kit", but we haven't started shipping them yet. We are waiting for the 2nd batch to go out, hopefully in the next couple weeks. I will be creating the webpage for this very shortly and be able to list some retailers on there who will have them in stock.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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$39.95 and comes with the bottle, straw, bite valve, 2 lid choices, aero straw retainer, aero spacers and all the necessary hardware.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Great - sign me up.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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Awesome! I will be putting them on the website hopefully by tomorrow. We will have dealer logos where you can place a pre-order. I highly recommend you do that as I believe we are sold out of the 1st batch of these. We are calling them 'Torpedo Refill Upgrade Kit'.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Any update for the Refill Upgrade Kit?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dsteak] [ In reply to ]
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Another week or so and we will start shipping!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Does that mean I can pre-order? I don't see it on the XLAB website or at Inside Out, TriSports, etc.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dsteak] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure if they are taking preorders but doesn't hurt to ask. Insideoutsports and trisports are your best bets.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the quick response. I asked, but they didn't seem to know what I was talking about. I'll keep checking.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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recieved the torpedo 100 today and can echo a few sentiments. Firstly, the rear screw to lock the bottle into place is not tall enough to catch the recess underneath the bottle. Secondly, the mount is very narrow- i have a garmin 500 and use the mount kit, and the rubber that goes underneath the black plastic mount is all squished and protuding. Not sure if i trust this mount? it is a wee bit narrow. I have emailed candice for a riser on the rear screw.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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Took it out for a ride this am.
One of the better systems I have used, bottle is bigger than I expected.
No slippage with the cage/bottle combo, straw position is excellent.
Visibility of my Garmin is very good (being touch screen helps manipulate over the bottle).
Some slight splashing from the lid but has option for a closed lid.
Looks like its going to stay on for a long time. Love it.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [campled] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else had issues with drink splashing out of the bottle? I'm using the fully closed top and I had red gatorade splash out of the lid and also some splashed out from around the straw.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [campled] [ In reply to ]
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is that the computer mount that came with the torpedo kit? or a barfly? The computer mount for the torpedo 400 looks different to the 100
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [coates_hbk] [ In reply to ]
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Its a Barfly mount.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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I just used this for IM Japan on my Speed Concept. No issues with the drinks splashing out of the fully closed top. Loved the simplicity of the setup.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know when this will become available in Australia by any chance and also which stores in Australia will be selling this?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [alexholbrook] [ In reply to ]
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Your best bet is to contact our distributor there, Echelon Sports. They will know more about which stores will have it and when they will have it.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Refill kit still isn't listed on TriSports or XLab web sites.

Candice - XLAB wrote:
Another week or so and we will start shipping!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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Yes sorry we had a delay in getting the straw plugs. We have been told we are getting them in on Monday. As soon as we do we will start shipping and re-stocking the dealers that are listed on our website.

The Refill kit will be going out at the same time as the systems. I just have been busy doing our new catalog, planning for Interbike and getting ready to head to Vegas so haven't had the time to create the web page just yet.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice, I'm waiting to get the straw plug. I've already emailed my invoice. I raced with the torpedo last weekend and every time I hit a bump in the road, got sprayed in the face with my cytomax. Made for a very sticky race. I used the solid top. Anyway to prevent that?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Holly1215] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Holly,

Ok I believe you have been working with Damon. Not sure where you left off with him, but do you know where the liquid is coming from? For the next couple days it would be best if you speak with him and see if he can help you. I am heading out to Vegas tomorrow morning and probably won't have time to go on slowtwitch unfortunately. You can always call us as well (760) 735-3215. We are here from 8:30-5pm PST

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if any retailer has the Torpedo 400 ACTUALLY in stock and not on "backorder"? I have an order with Trisports.com but they told me on the 9/7 that they expect them in the next 2 weeks.

Thanks.
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dyarab wrote:
Does anyone know if any retailer has the Torpedo 400 ACTUALLY in stock and not on "backorder"? I have an order with Trisports.com but they told me on the 9/7 that they expect them in the next 2 weeks.

Thanks.

Ditto. Based on this and the aero hierarchy thread, I ordered one (from different distributor). Got an email that they are out of stock and asking me if I want to hold my order or get a refund. I sure would like to give an informed answer.






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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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We will actually be shipping trisports.com more this week! I don't know of any stores that still have them in stock. They sold out pretty fast.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Who did you order from? I can let you know when we will be shipping more to that store then

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Are they getting the refill kit too? They still don't have it listed online.

Candice - XLAB wrote:
We will actually be shipping trisports.com more this week! I don't know of any stores that still have them in stock. They sold out pretty fast.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice,

Art's Cyclery had Sept 7th listed as the arrival date of their last order, but now it's showing Sept 16th. Can you confirm that you are actually sending them more?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Tri-Banter] [ In reply to ]
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Do you have another name perhaps? I am not seeing them in our system

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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PM sent. Thanks for what you are doing!






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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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Yes they will be getting refill kits as well. I am building our own webpage as we speak (was out for a few days at the 70.3 WC) but as soon as that is live they will have it up. Give them a call and you should be able to get one on backorder.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Were you at the expo in Vegas? If so, I think I spoke to you, and thank you so much for bringing refill kits, lifesaver.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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Yep that was indeed me at the expo in Vegas. You are very welcome! Was only able to overnight 3 and boy did they go fast. Glad you managed to grab one of them.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [jwilso2] [ In reply to ]
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Hey!

Spoke with the sales team here and looks like they will be shipping units this week to Art's Cyclery. I have heard they do have a good deal of backorders so I would double check where you are on their list and they may have an idea of when you can expect yours.

Hope this helps!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Just got an email form Trisports.com stating my order has shipped and should be here on the 18th. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Wahoo! You'll have to post a pic once you get it all setup!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Same here. I ordered it on Aug 27, and at the time the trisports website was estimating a Sep 6 availability date, if I remember correctly. So it was one week later than advertised, but it apparently shipped today.
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dyarab wrote:
Just got an email form Trisports.com stating my order has shipped and should be here on the 18th. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Same here.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Will do... and I should have a Specialized Fuel Cell next week as well. :)
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New review: http://lavamagazine.com/...ally-debuts-torpedo/

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Xlab provided LAVA with drag testing data conducted in July with Ero at the Olympic velodrome in Carson, Calif. with pro triathlete Luke McKenzie as the guinea pig. Testing was conducted on a Scott Plasma with Zipp 808 Firecrest front and rear, the Xlab Torpedo mount and an Xlab Aero TT bottle on the downtube, as well as nutrition in McKenzie’s singlet pockets for true effect.
The results came up with the Torpedo providing nearly five minutes of advantage over a 112-mile Ironman-distance bike at 300 watts (that time advantage rose to 5.2 minutes at 250 watts, and 5.6 minutes at 200 watts) using the Torpedo, versus 4.2 minutes at 300 watts, 4.5 minutes at 250 watts and 4.8 minutes at 200 watts using a position-optimized behind-the-saddle setup.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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So we're talking 48sec over 112 miles compared to a "position-optimized behind-the-saddle setup". In reality it could be significanly more depending on how they did the testing. Part of the advantage of this set-up is not having to break your aero position to reach for your bottle - behind the seat, on the frame, or even standard battle BTA. So unless they did an extended test that integrated the effect of accessing that bottle behind the saddle versus simply drinking from the straw I'd say that 48sec is an underestimate. Good thing because 48sec over 112 miles doesn't have me excited to throw $$$ around.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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so i finally got my torpedo. problem is my aero bars are to far apart. are there longer straps? I am racing Augusta next weekend and want to use the bottle. any help?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parkspop] [ In reply to ]
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How far apart are your bars?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parkspop] [ In reply to ]
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Guess you could try zip ties if you're desperate.

Good luck... see ya in Augusta.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately I can't measure them right now as I am not home and won't be for a couple days.

But when I had one side hooked up the other side was probably 2-3 inches short of hooking on.

I know it is not the most aero but it is what works.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parkspop] [ In reply to ]
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You can get velcro straps at Home Depot or Lowes.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parkspop] [ In reply to ]
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Well if you can try and measure when you get back I can see if the bars are too far apart for the straps. In the meantime I will see about perhaps getting some new straps in for wider bars.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Art's still the best bet? On the hunt for a 400 now...
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JWU42] [ In reply to ]
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I got my 400 this weekend and have some questions for those of you who have them mounted already (and Candice).
First, the instruction mention using the "included plug" to block the non-used straw hole. I had no "included plug" in my package. Is this an oversight, a mistake? Am I missing something.
Second, if you use the dolphin tail to hold the straw down is it intended to "crimp" the straw. Due to the material the straw is made from it is forced to not just bend but fold over. I've got to imagine that will damage the straw eventually.
Third, it was quite hard to get the straw into the hole, I assume this is to make it stay in place easier, with that being said, how deeply should the straw go? where should the bottom be located? Directly under the hole? My bars have a slight...very slight angle so I'd imagine I'll have a hard time getting to all of the liquid.
Fourth, what's the deal wit the computer mount. There is no way I can get it to work. I've put it as far forward as possible the bottle still hits it.

I've got some photos of this, perhaps I should just send to Candice? I'm racing Sunday, I'd love to get this figured out!

Thanks,

AK
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [sak35] [ In reply to ]
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sak35 wrote:
I got my 400 this weekend and have some questions for those of you who have them mounted already (and Candice).
First, the instruction mention using the "included plug" to block the non-used straw hole. I had no "included plug" in my package. Is this an oversight, a mistake? Am I missing something.
Its a very small clear plastic plug. I think it came in one of the bags. It is easy to miss.

sak35 wrote:
Second, if you use the dolphin tail to hold the straw down is it intended to "crimp" the straw. Due to the material the straw is made from it is forced to not just bend but fold over. I've got to imagine that will damage the straw eventually.
Mine crimped initially as well, but when I put the straw in a second time (after I trimmed the length a little) I put it in at a slight angle towards the front of the bottle. Now I can fold it into the dolphin tail w/o crimping. (on a side note, I added a couple of washers underneath the dolphin tail to raise it up a little because I had a hard time getting the straw underneath it).

sak35 wrote:
Third, it was quite hard to get the straw into the hole, I assume this is to make it stay in place easier, with that being said, how deeply should the straw go? where should the bottom be located? Directly under the hole?
It is quite difficult to get the straw in the hole, hopefully that will prevent leaks. I pushed the straw down until just before it hits the bottom. I'll have to do some more testing, but I may also need to slightly angle the bottle forward to get most the liquid out.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JWU42] [ In reply to ]
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Any of the dealers on our webpage are your best bets. Inside Out Sports, Trisports, Nytro and Enduro Sport. I do not know their stock levels or the numbers of back orders they have unfortunately, but we do keep these stores stocked as often as possible. Art's Cyclery were just sent some more systems I believe last week so I would check and see if they have any available or if those we sent are for orders they already have.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [sak35] [ In reply to ]
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Seems Rick answered most of your questions. The plug should be in one of the bags in the box. More specifically the one that had the Dolphin tail and refillable cap in it. They are clear circular looking. If you can't find them email me, candice@xlab-usa.com.

You can bend the straw in a way that it doesn't crimp the straw. If left tucked while storing the bottle, the straw will eventually have a permanent kink which is why we say leave it untucked while storing.

The straw does fit snug into the hole to prevent leakage. There is no requirement for how deep the straw should go. It is completely personal preference. If you have a slight angle on the bars and want to make sure you get every last drop then I would mount it towards the angle.

As far as the computer mount - which computer are you trying to use? There are some computers that won't work due to clearance.

I think I covered everything but let me know if I missed something :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Holly1215] [ In reply to ]
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I am having the same problem. I have Torpedo 400 and i get splashed in my face all the time from the straw. When my bike is racked, the liquid in the bottle leaks out from the big cap. I am using the cap that is completely sealed (not the refill one). I am disappointed in the product. I need to wash my bike after each ride because of how sticky it is from spalshing.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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Ewelina wrote:
I am using the cap that is completely sealed (not the refill one).

That cap does have a small hole or two in it. I assume it is to let air in while you are drinking. I filled my bottle completely up this morning and accidentily pushed down on that cap and water squirted up out of the hole.

On a side note, I did not really notice any liquid coming out while I was riding. It seems like I had more leakage on my Speedfil A2 bottle, but more test time will tell.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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Ewelina wrote:
I am having the same problem. I have Torpedo 400 and i get splashed in my face all the time from the straw. When my bike is racked, the liquid in the bottle leaks out from the big cap. I am using the cap that is completely sealed (not the refill one). I am disappointed in the product. I need to wash my bike after each ride because of how sticky it is from spalshing.

I'm in agreement with this. I was disappointed with how much the product leaks. Leaks around the cap. Leaks around the base of the straw. You have to be careful to not fill the bottle up too much or else you will have it spilling out.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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just tried the torpedo on a long ride this week-end. i purchased just the bottle as i had a bta cage. overall, i really liked the torpedo. it leaked far less then the speedfill. i think the position of the straw on top versus the front of the bottle with a gasket is a better design. it is hard to get the straw tucked under the clamp but it stays in place. i have found it is easier to pull the straw under the clamp than to push it. so if i am tucking it with my right hand i use the left side of the clamp and pull the straw underneath it.

regarding leaking from the top i used the clear top and as long as i did not completely fill the bottle it did not seem to leek. it did leak a little while refilling it on a bumpy road but i liked the solid cap option versus slotted one. it is nice that they provide both with the bottle.

i cannot seem to figure out how to clamp the straw without crimping it, but keeping stored free she keep the straw for a wile. If when it does crack you can get replacement strawing or hosing from lowes.

best,
GS
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [rockfish] [ In reply to ]
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I used it for the first time in a sprint race. I should have practiced with it first (yeah, I know I broke a golden rule). Anyway, I must have inserted it to the point the straw was flush on the bottom of the bottle because I could not really get much out of it. My fault.
It was pouring rain so I did not notice any leaking.

The computer mount for the Garmin 510 does not work well for me. For one thing, the mount seems like a universal mount and it does not seem to fit the garmin twist mount well. The garmin mount kind hangs off the outside edges of the XLab computer mount. You have to hold the garmin mount while twisting the 510 on and off. The 510 is forced to sit completely flat, facing the sky.
I get a reflection of the sky and can not read the screen.
Next:
I moved the Mini Mount way back. The rear Velcro straps are on MY side of the arm rests. This puts the screen back closer to me and I think I will be able to see the screen better this way. I have not ridden with it like this.

The computer mount also has a small lip that does not let it sit flush with the Mini Mount plate. It comes with square flat washer to help with thing but it is not thick enough. I think my dremel tool with fix it.

anyone know where can you buy the plastic the computer mount is made of? I think I am going to try to make one myself.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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I'm still waiting to get the new straw and the plugs for the straw holes. Think the bottle is a nice idea, but it looks like they released it before it was completely tested. My season is over now, but I have an expensive bottle that I can't even use. And, I guess it's too late to return it.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Holly1215] [ In reply to ]
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My season is not over. I had splashing issues with Torhans aero bottle and now this. Very disappointed. What a waste of money.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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A colleague of mine has a bottle made by elite. It's got a sponge in there that stops spraying. Might be better. I wear glasses, made riding with them sprayed with cytomax difficult. Hopefully, xlab will fix the problems
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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Yikes. I just ordered the bottle as a "refill kit". I already race with a standard BTA bottle but I like the idea of being able to easily refill this while on the go. Races never use actual bike bottles so they never fit snug in a cage when I grab one from an aid station. I also like the idea of not having to remove the bottle to drink. There is the potential for some actual drag advantage by eliminating that action 30+ times during a race. Leaking is going to mostly be a deal breaker though. Is it the seal of the lid to the bottle that leaks or out the top of the lid? With the straw we can probably figure out some sort of grommet to make a better fit...might need to experiment with different tubes for the straw though and maybe even modify the opening.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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This was my set up for Ironman Lake Tahoe last weekend. My bars are pretty wide and I wanted the Torpedo bottle mounted a little bit higher so I zip-tied a wide Profile Design mount to the bars and was able to mount the Torpedo directly to this mount with nuts and bolts... Very solid. No spilling. Felt very aero.... Only thing I might change is add a wider flow bite-valve.... Worked great!



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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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In my case the straw leaks from the drinking tip, not from where it inserts in the bottle.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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This definitely shouldn't happen. Can you shoot me an email with a pic of the cap and one of it in the bottle? As another Slowtwitcher mentioned there is a small hole in the cap to release air pressure in the bottle, but it shouldn't leak to the amount you are saying. Please do reach out to me as I want to get rid of your sticky mess :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [michael_runs] [ In reply to ]
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Please shoot us an email. Bottles should not be leaking around the cap. I am going to launch an internal investigation as there have been a couple of complaints now.

As far as leaking around the base of the straw, not sure how this could happen. The straw fit should be very tight to get into the hole. But email us and we can get you situated!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Holly1215] [ In reply to ]
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Holly,

Did you contact us to get the replacement straw and plugs? We can send some out to you tomorrow. Please DM me or email me with your details and a copy of your original receipt.

As far as the testing we did do both road and internal testing. I personally tested the Torpedo System 400 model and have quite a bumpy batch of road that I ride over.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [kevintaddonio] [ In reply to ]
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Great mounting idea Kevin! And thanks for the feedback on the bite valve. Will mention that to my engineers.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice, I was in contact with Damon, but never received the replacement plugs and straw. Still not sure where the spraying is coming from. I only used it once during a race.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ewelina] [ In reply to ]
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Can you send me an email with a pic of the bite valve without the silicone cover? It might be the internal parts are bent. Also the silicone cover sometimes gets caught on the round piece. Want to make sure it is not tucked. Do you bite down on the bite valve with your teeth?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Holly1215] [ In reply to ]
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Ok shoot me an email, candice@xlab-usa.com and I will personally send them out to you. Sorry you haven't received them yet.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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So I took it out today. I noticed some water hit my legs after I hit a rough section of pavement. The bottle did not leak the entire ride. The water came from the bite valve when it chattered against the bottle when under the dolphin tail.
After drinking from the tube, I now just clear it by blowing the water back into the bottle. I do this when using a CamelBack in when climbing in the mountains. It keeps the water from freezing in the tube.

I like the view of the 510 better with the mount moved way back. The back of the bottle does occasionally brush my knees. Definitely going to elongate the rear strap slots for now to move the system slightly forward.
The computer mount base still needs to be ground down flush so it will stay on place better. Until I can replace it with something better

I bought some aluminum flat bar to replace the X lab Velcro straps. Even after re-snugging them, I don't like how the bottle moves back and forth (rubs against forarms) when the road surface is not ideal.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [kevintaddonio] [ In reply to ]
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Is that the PD 'HC mount'? Did you need new hardware or did the screws etc that came with the xlab work with it?
Great idea.
Jamie
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JamieJ] [ In reply to ]
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JamieJ wrote:
Is that the PD 'HC mount'? Did you need new hardware or did the screws etc that came with the xlab work with it?
Great idea.
Jamie

Yup. The HC mount worked great. The XLaB bolts are the right tread and they just plug right in. Looks great and clean!



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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Alpinist909] [ In reply to ]
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Curious why you switched from the straps to the flat bar? The side to side sway would be due to the straps not being tight enough I would think.

Thanks for your feedback on the system, appreciate all input!!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [kevintaddonio] [ In reply to ]
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Minor detail but the directions suggest putting the plug for the extra hole in from inside the bottle. That way it sits flush on the outside, plus it wouldn't be lost if it happens to pop out.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TH3_FRB] [ In reply to ]
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I used the 2 Profile Designs aluminum brackets. Same as Kevintaddonio. The slots on the Mini mount were in a position that forced me the have the Garmin sitting just shy of my shifters or having the bottle so far back, my knees would brush my knees on occasion.
It is a little cleaner set up too with just 4 zip ties. The Xlab velcro was hard to snug up tight and the arm rests were kinda in the way.
The PD brackets allow me to position the mount in a more ideal spot and the garmin is between my wrist.

I took a small round file to the bottle cage hole and filed maybe 4mm towards the top of the cage to elongate them. Then I took maybe 3mm off the holes on the mini mount towards the back (cyclist direction) to elongate. I was able to gain a little more clearance for the garmin 510.
The gamin still rotates forward every few miles on the xlab mount and I just twist it back into view for info.
Now that I have the bottle where I want it, I know where the Garmin sits on the mount. I plan on using epoxy to hold the Garmin twist mount to the Xlab computer mount to stop the rotation.

As far as the bottle leaking. I have not had any leaking from the plug, straw or around the cap. With the solid cap, if you fill the bottle almost full to full, it will come out the tiny vent hole. I would expect it too. I just don't top the bottle and it works great. You gotta have a way for air to get in
For extra fluids, I have my Delta mount which I have been very happy with.
Candice,
Thank you for listening to our feedback.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Will this be available as the bottle only or bottle and cage for those of us that already have purchased the xlab carbon mount, cage and computer mount. If so, how much?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Alpinist909] [ In reply to ]
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Alpinist909 wrote:
The Xlab velcro was hard to snug up tight and the arm rests were kinda in the way.

I took a small round file to the bottle cage hole and filed maybe 4mm towards the top of the cage to elongate them. Then I took maybe 3mm off the holes on the mini mount towards the back (cyclist direction) to elongate.

I elongated the slots for the velcro straps as well because it interfered with my armrests. Everything fits perfectly now.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [jndjesse] [ In reply to ]
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Yes we are shipping those now. It is called the Torpedo Refill Upgrade Kit. It is the bottle with the straw/bite valve, lids, aero spacers and straw plug. Retails for $39.95

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I purchased the refill upgrade kit from inside out sports, they have them in stock in their retail stores (Charlotte / Raleigh) and online at insideoutsports.com

http://store.insideoutsports.com/...cat=2013040112220440

I have had mine for about 2 weeks, raced with it at the Carolina half and really like it.

Best,
GS
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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So I can't seem to get my bottle to sit flush when my 910xt is mounted. I've got every screw as far back as possible with the front mount as forward as possible. You can see the bottle is actually resting on the front of the watch. If I push down on the bottle to get it flush, it pushes the watch far down, or if I try and put the watch on after the bottle, it looks like the last picture. Anyone else have this issue?


Gallery here:


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [allcentury] [ In reply to ]
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I checked out your pics...is there any way to bring back the cage more? Looking at the first photo you are about halfway on the cage slot. If there is something blocking the cage you can try putting more spacers under the cage to bring it back and over

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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bummed my SRM won't fit on the computer attachment. :(

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [giddy-up-n-go] [ In reply to ]
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Which SRM do you have?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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This worked! I took the screw out of the hole from furthest back and pushed the cage back. I then remounted it to the plate and voila! Everything fit, used it this morning around Fiesta Island is total success. Thank ya :)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [allcentury] [ In reply to ]
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Ah sweet. Glad you got it set for your ride. The bottle is perfect for a Fiesta Island ride, can get a bit windy there!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I found an easy fix for the computer mount and the garmin 510. Since the X lab mount has a smaller diameter and width than the Garmin twist mount, the 510 would keep rotating forward with road vibration.
There is a rubber tape in the electrical section of the hardware store. I wrapped the X Lab computer mount to make it bigger.
The tape, when stretched, turns grey. This causes it to heat up and vulcanize (bond) to the previous layer.
After 10 or so laps of tape, going around the mount, the garmin twist mount fit well.
One 20 mile test ride and the 510 never moved.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Alpinist909] [ In reply to ]
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Nice! Thanks for sharing the tip

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Will the Torpedo bottle fit in other BTA cages?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
The side to side sway would be due to the straps not being tight enough I would think.

I wish the straps were longer. At the Rev3 SC race today I had to re-attach different straps about 8 different times. (Not fun during a race). The course is quite bumpy at times. I hadn't noticed it in training rides, but wasn't going the speeds I was today.

I just can't get enough velcro contact with the straps. Oh well, back to the old tried and true tie wraps.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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I got the $75 version and just used my carbon torpedo cage instead of the composite one that comes with it. It's too bad that xlab doesn't sell the "mini mount" separate so those of use with the original torpedo BTA setup could simply get the new mount and bottle without the cage.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know any stores in EU that will sell the upgrade kit?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [changums] [ In reply to ]
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I am using the Xlab Bottle with a standard cage, ironically i am using the speedfill mount. Sits very securely, does not need a strap either like the speedfill did.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [changums] [ In reply to ]
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Any of our XLAB cages will fit the system. There are quite a few parameters that need to be be met with other cages in order to work with the bottle. So I am not saying there aren't any out there it is just we have not tested them all.

The parameters I am referring to are: the height and width of the bottom hook (in order to fit into the rear of the bottle), the height of the sides (so they do not interfere with the dolphin tail), the top hook of the cage must align to the groove on the bottle, and the thickness of the spine of the cage (although screws can be bought at a store to compensate for this).

Which cage were you trying to see if it would fit?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Runner Rick] [ In reply to ]
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What is the width of your aerobars measured center to center?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pdais97] [ In reply to ]
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Hey - what country were you looking for?

I know that our distributor in the UK has some. You can contact Multisport Distribution and they can help you

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Alpinist909] [ In reply to ]
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Hey - of course! Always helpful hearing everyone's feedback it certainly provides insight into issues that we may not encounter internally.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Is anybody using the Torpedo with a Garmin 800/810? I know the computer mount that comes with it won't work, but I'm wondering if anybody else has made it work with a third party mount.

Thanks
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parasky] [ In reply to ]
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It really depends on how long your extensions are. Let me get you some measurements tomorrow on how long the entire system is and then you can see if you have enough clearance to use a barfly style mount on your extensions. Do you have a picture that you could send of your aerobars? Top view preferably.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I have a Speedfil Z4 cage. Thanks
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I have the new Cervelo P3 with the 3T Auro Pro. If that helps.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
What is the width of your aerobars measured center to center?

My Felt Devox bars are 100mm apart center to center. I think the bigger issue on my setup is that the bottle can't sit down between my aero pads. The bottom of the mount plate is a good 3/4" above the top of the extensions.


So the straps have to go up as well as out to get the mount plate. Then I don't get a lot of contact on the velcro straps:



If the strap were an inch or two longer I could wrap it all the way around, instead of just a 1/2" on the top as you see here. But like I said, no big deal. I've had a cage mounted there with tie wraps for almost 3 years before I tried this. So I'll just go back to tie wraps. I can't have this thing come apart in a race again.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parasky] [ In reply to ]
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Would really need a picture of your setup and/or measurements of the length of your aero extensions to be able to see how much space we have to work with.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Runner Rick] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, the first thing I see is that your straps are not installed correctly. The very tip of the white part of the strap (forms a triangle) should be heading towards the mount. See this pic. Also the reinforced section of the strap (the thicker part) should be the part that is by the mount. This is to protect the mount from tearing the strap.

By the way congrats on the qualification for the World Championships in Vegas, how did you do?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [changums] [ In reply to ]
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That one won't fit. I highly recommend any of the XLAB cages as we designed the bottle around those.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I just received and set up my bottle system yesterday! I have what might be a real stupid question, but since I haven't used the bottle yet, I'll ask. I often drive to locations to go biking. Do most people fill the bottle at home and use the solid lid for transport, then switch to the slotted when getting ready to go, or bring a bottle to fill the torpedo at the departure location prior to starting the ride? I intend to practice in-motion refills with the slotted lid, otherwise I will just leave the solid lid on.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [CMHAWA] [ In reply to ]
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When I used the slotted lid, I brought my liquids to the site I was riding in separate bottles. I have since switched over to the solid lid, but I guess out of habit I bring my liquids in separate bottles with me then fill them up.

So I didn't really help lol but I guess an answer to your question is it is personal preference. If I were you I would probably bring the liquids, just so that the solid lid doesn't have a chance to get lost in the car if you forget to bring it in with you.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Will the bottle withstand freezing with all the bits and pieces? I emailed you this Q but never got a reply so I'll ask here.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BykOfALesserGod] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Frank,

The day you emailed was the 1st day in Kona so I was getting all of our pros setup with their gear. I apologize for the delay, but Kona is a very busy time for me!

We did some initial testing and the only issue was that it took about 3 and a half hours to de-thaw completely. Good for an ironman, not so much a training ride. Note that this is just initial testing we haven't completed the overtime testing just yet. That is still in progress.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hi Frank,

The day you emailed was the 1st day in Kona so I was getting all of our pros setup with their gear. I apologize for the delay, but Kona is a very busy time for me!

We did some initial testing and the only issue was that it took about 3 and a half hours to de-thaw completely. Good for an ironman, not so much a training ride. Note that this is just initial testing we haven't completed the overtime testing just yet. That is still in progress.

No worries. So there's no solid info yet on how the freezing and thawing will affect the small parts and seals?

Thanks
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BykOfALesserGod] [ In reply to ]
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Long term use no as the final design of the bottle, lids and plugs are just a few months old. Temporarily and occasional freezing however is testing fine though.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice:

I just bought the BTA Bottle today for IM FLA and haven't ridden with it yet. The bite valve has a slit in it. Should I return it or can I have shipped a new valve and straw please. I am going to use a Speedfil valve and will cut down the straw more than with the original valve. Please let me know. Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Moteix] [ In reply to ]
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Hey

Could you email me a picture of it?

So you going to use the other one you have? Sorry just a bit confused on your sentence there

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I decided that I am going to return it at my lbs for another one.

I will send you a pic.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Moteix] [ In reply to ]
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Ah thanks for the pic. Ok sounds good. If you need any help we can replace that straw.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Moteix] [ In reply to ]
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Are there any xlab cages that are not carbon? I want to buy the refill kit but the cage I have now will not work so will need a new cage.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hey, the first thing I see is that your straps are not installed correctly. The very tip of the white part of the strap (forms a triangle) should be heading towards the mount. See this pic. Also the reinforced section of the strap (the thicker part) should be the part that is by the mount. This is to protect the mount from tearing the strap.

Thanks for the input. Do I have the straps installed correctly now?




As you can see, I still don't get a lot of contact between hook and loop.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice, any chance I can get a new strap? I sliced about 3/4" off the end of one of mine. Completely my fault and I'll pay for the replacement.

I love the 400, by the way.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe a dumb question... but is the BTA suppsoed to be over your stem or can it be infront of it and tucked just behind you wrists? I run fairly narrow pads so I don't think I can get a bottle between there without widening them, which is seems would be counter productive and possible increase drag unless I cna shrug better because of it. Right not I have in facing backwards just in front of my pads and it seems to work well. I was suprised that the weight didn't bother me at all. If anything the extra mass made the steering a little more stable in crosswinds.

I'll probably just have to experiment a little this winter. Seems like most have them over the stem.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [motoguy128] [ In reply to ]
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motoguy128 wrote:
Maybe a dumb question... but is the BTA suppsoed to be over your stem or can it be infront of it and tucked just behind you wrists? I run fairly narrow pads so I don't think I can get a bottle between there without widening them, which is seems would be counter productive and possible increase drag unless I cna shrug better because of it. Right not I have in facing backwards just in front of my pads and it seems to work well. I was suprised that the weight didn't bother me at all. If anything the extra mass made the steering a little more stable in crosswinds.

I'll probably just have to experiment a little this winter. Seems like most have them over the stem.

I run the Shimano Missile Evo Aerobars on the 2nd most narrow setting and typically cannot have a BTA fit between the pads. The slick thing about the XLAB torpedo mount is that I can have the front of it right up against my hands/wrists, but the tail narrows down so it fits really nicely between the pads and elbows. Furthermore, it is stacked up a little bit on spacers so it fits pretty flush against your forearms... Everyone's arm/hand position is different and the Torpedo allows you to move up/down and forward/back to get the most slick position. Once you have it between your arms, you'll see what I am talking about



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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [motoguy128] [ In reply to ]
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Probably a question for Candice. The back end of mine is over my stem, which puts my computer right between my hands. I find the straw very easy to work with. I know the Torpedo can fit between narrower bars than the PD Aero HC, but I am not sure what the minimum distance is.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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I'm actually just using a standard bottle with a X-lab mount and Gorilla cage so I can use it with hand-ups. I may however get once of those caps that convers a standard bottle to a straw type.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pedal-boy] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, responded to your PM with the same question, but yes email me and we can sell you the cage that comes with the Torpedo System 100.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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Yes of course! Shoot us an email (info@xlab-usa.com). Glad to hear you love the 400!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mbwallis] [ In reply to ]
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Minimum is 80mm wide measured center to center.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Runner Rick] [ In reply to ]
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Yes more or less :) The only issue is the front left and back right are upside down (XLAB logos should be facing you when you are on the bike) but that is more aesthetics, function won't be affected.

I do see you don't have a lot of contact...do you have enough length on the bars to move the back straps closer to the front or on the other side of the arm rests? I can circulate your pictures here and see if anyone here has any more ideas.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,

I purchased the Torpedo System 100 ahead of participating in last week's Ironman Florida and had a question about my experience using the bottle in the race.

I'm pretty certain that I installed the mount per the instructions that came with the system, based on which I moved the straps/base as far back as possible on the aerobars, meaning that the mounting screw was over the stem. Based on that screw's location, I also used the velcro pad to help protect against inadvertent damage. I opted to go with the speed-fill lid, so I could top off the bottle on the fly. Occasionally some liquid would splash out of the lid and onto the bottle/cage. Evidently this liquid caused the velcro pad to come loose and move, as when we hit a particularly bumpy section of road about halfway through the race, the mounting screw began repeatedly hitting the stem.

I tried to remedy this on the fly but didn't have much luck - I even went so far as to stop and try to use my stem sticker (with my race number) to sort of "glue" the velcro down, but it didn't work. Now my stem is pretty good and scratched up. This appears to only be cosmetic as it's an aluminum stem, but I was wondering if this was a known issue or if you had any recommendations to prevent this from worsening in the future? I was going to see if I could find a different type of velcro-like pad, perhaps with stickier adhesive, but I'm kind of disappointed that I followed the instructions correctly and had my bike damaged under what I'd consider normal usage.

Thanks in advance for any insight you might have.
Chris
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [nineiron24] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Chris,

When you say the speed-fill lid was it the slotted lid?

On my initial testing with a much thinner mount (think more chatter) I used the slotted lid and velcro pads and this did not happen to me, but let me check internally and see if anyone has heard of this. I personally haven't.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,

Yes, it's the slotted lid.

Awesome, thanks for looking into this, appreciate your help!

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [nineiron24] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Chris,

We did an overnight test where we soaked the entire plate and pads and they were still on there. Can you email me? I have a couple more questions and haven't given up on coming up with a solution for you! candice@xlab-usa.com

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,

Just a quick question in regard to the best cage to use with the torpedo refill upgrade kit. Is the Torpedo cage the optimal match or would the Gorilla or Chimp be better for preventing the bottle ejecting.

Thanks

Tom
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [lazlo51] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Tom,

They all work equally well. The Gorilla cage does have the higher grip out of the three, but it doesn't apply with the refill Torpedo System. As long as you use the correct set of screws, the screws will 'lock' into the groove on the bottom of the bottle.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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This system worked great for my wife at Ironman Florida. She does not like bite valves so we removed that and it works great. Easy to fill, nice to fold down the straw too. Installation was easy following the instructions. The straps come with a soft gell type material that protects your bars and they are thick enough that you can tighten the mounting plate in a very stable position. Spend a few min to losen and retighten all around and you can get all four straps lined up squarely between the bars with all the lables consistently lined up. I too needed to install the supplied velcro pads over the stem bolts to avoid any rattling. The position of the computer mount was perfect for my wife and she had no issues at all. I got her the carbon one, i'm not putting a rigged solution on her really expensive bike. Nothing against doing that mind you. It's my wife! She deserves it, after all she could spend close to 10 hours in the saddle in an ironman.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hi Tom,

They all work equally well. The Gorilla cage does have the higher grip out of the three, but it doesn't apply with the refill Torpedo System. As long as you use the correct set of screws, the screws will 'lock' into the groove on the bottom of the bottle.

Candice,

Does the selection in bold mean that the Gorilla cage will NOT work with the refill system? I ask because I have the "original" sized carbon torpedo mount and a Gorilla cage, and I'd like just to be able to order the refill system and have it all work. Also, is there ANY way to get the computer mount to work with the "original" sized mount and the new bottle? Perhaps by (gasp!) drilling a hole into the mount?

Thanks so much for answering this and for all of your amazing info on this thread! Planning on using the system for Ironman Cozumel!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [swimvan] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to hear she likes it! A wife does deserve the best, but so does the husband :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mahlergrooves2] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant the difference in the grip forces amongst the cages doesn't matter for the Torpedo System as what is holding the bottle in are the screws that lock into the bottle body groove. Gorilla works perfectly with the Torpedo System. You could drill a hole in the standard Torpedo Mount, but it would be more restrictive on the computers you can use. The new Torpedo Mini Mount is longer allowing for more clearance between the computer and the bottle.

All the best for Ironman Cozumel! Should be a great race down there!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [parasky] [ In reply to ]
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Is anybody using the Torpedo with a Garmin 800/810? I know the computer mount that comes with it won't work, but I'm wondering if anybody else has made it work with a third party mount.

I'm using an 800 with the supplied mini-mount, and have raced with this setup a couple of times now. I know I'm not supposed to do that and yes the bottle and computer are crammed together, but hey it works. There's no room for a barfly with how my tape wrap runs so for now this will have to do. Someone at X-Lab told me at Interbike that they're working on a solution. Anyone know more about that? Candice can you share?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [NorthStar] [ In reply to ]
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Hey if it works for you that is great! As far as the solution we talked about at Interbike, we can't say too much as we are still in the design phase, but here is a sneak peak from our 2014 catalog.


BTW I am actually, and finally, taking a vacation, but don't worry we won't be silent on Slowtwitch! Damon will be taking over for a bit while I am away. His username is XLAB :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hey if it works for you that is great! As far as the solution we talked about at Interbike, we can't say too much as we are still in the design phase, but here is a sneak peak from our 2014 catalog.


BTW I am actually, and finally, taking a vacation, but don't worry we won't be silent on Slowtwitch! Damon will be taking over for a bit while I am away. His username is XLAB :)

What am I looking at here? I'm planning on purchasing the Torpedo system soon, should I wait until this comes out or is this strictly an aftermarket product? I use a Garmin 800 so it seems like this is the solution to use both the Torpedo and the 800?

Enjoy your vacation!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bricklayer] [ In reply to ]
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This is a cutaway section of a solid modeling model of the new computer mount. It will definitely be an aftermarket product that will be available for purchase. We are focusing on the design right now so haven't made a decision whether it will replace the current computer mount that comes with the Torpedo System. As far as waiting for this to come out, I cannot tell you when it will be available as we are still designing it, but I can say we are in the final design stages :)

Sorry couldn't be too much help. Definitely enjoy my vacation, but long flight ahead! Alright passing the torch onto Damon now :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bricklayer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Bricklayer, if you wanted to, you could slide the Torpedo Cage back further with the Aero Cage Optimizer http://www.xlab-usa.com/...-cage-optimizer.html. That should give you clearance for your Garmin 800. It would raise your bottle a bit, but you could always compensate by taking out, or using shorter spacers on the Torpedo System. It would give you up to 1.75 inches more clearance, which should be more than enough.

Thanks,

Damon

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Ooo nice Damon that looks like it would do the trick. Actually raise the bottle a bit to make it easier to drink. Higher CG but I'll take that for everything to play nice in my cockpit. :) Just ordered one. Thanks.

Next question: I got a lot of rattle on a rough road during a race yesterday. It was from movement between the bottle and cage I believe. Any ideas for how I can dampen or eliminate that?

Also, can I call or write in to get a replacement hole plug for the top? Lost mine already. Thank you.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice i have powercontrol 7
Thanks. Kat

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [NorthStar] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, either give us a call 760-735-3215 or shoot us an email at info@xlab-usa.com and we will take care of that for you.

Thanks,

Damon
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [giddy-up-n-go] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Kat, you could try this mount from SRM and mount it directly to the Torpedo Mounts front slot. https://shop.srm.de/...f42a0dd5131d9ae3b7c1

Thanks,

Damon
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [XLAB Hydration] [ In reply to ]
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Hello all,

I use this method mounting my garmin 810 temporarily.
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any suggestion?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [kalus39] [ In reply to ]
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You could get the 810 to hide behind the bottle better rather than sticking up over it, by sliding the computer mount back just a little bit. The 810 won't fit in front of the bottle due to its size, so if the setup works for you then that's great.

Thanks,

Damon
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [XLAB Hydration] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Damon and Candice

I thought i read it somewhere online but i've lost the page... Can you confirm the torpedo 100 and/or 400 will both work with the new 2014 trek speed concept?

thanks
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I bought and had to return my new Torpedo bottle. My local bike shop was unable to install your product on my XS 650-sized tri bike because it was too big to fit. Since I feel like I am now an endangered species (petite triathlete) I understand that you may not see sufficient market share to redesign, but I thought I would ask anyway about a bracket or adaptation to fit ALL bike sizes.

DFL > DNF > DNS
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [stanlives] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

Yes it will work. There are 2 ways we have seen it done. Mount directly to the aerobar with the Torpedo Mini Mount Plate or the spacers included in the system. We haven't personally tested them, but the 2 customers seemed happy :)

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [SallyShortyPnts] [ In reply to ]
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Hey,

Sorry your bike shop wasn't unable to install it. We designed the Torpedo bottle using 4 different aerobar setups. Ironically I was the smallest setup and the one that is a short ass :) I am 5'4 (rounded up of course) and ride a 51 Cervelo P2. For mine I still have the ends of my bars on so we fitted the mount over my stem. Cait Snow as you may know is another pint size athlete and she uses a Torpedo System.

I would like to see if I can find a way to get it on your bars if that's ok? Would you mind emailing me a picture of your aerobar/stem setup and then I will probably ask for some measurements, but we can do that after the picture. See what I am working with :) Email is candice@xlab-usa.com.

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hey,

Yes it will work. There are 2 ways we have seen it done. Mount directly to the aerobar with the Torpedo Mini Mount Plate or the spacers included in the system. We haven't personally tested them, but the 2 customers seemed happy :)

Brilliant can you send links/pictures so i can see? Do i need to purchase anything else or is everything included in the torpedo 100 and/or 400 box?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [stanlives] [ In reply to ]
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Everything you need to mount is included. There are links in my last post. 'Torpedo Mini Mount' was a link as was 'spacers included in the system'. I didn't want to paste big images here so you can click on it and will open to a big image.

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I raced with the Torpedo BTA bottle for the first time at an IM last weekend. I am very impressed with it. The bite block makes it easy to drink from. I used the solid cap and found it easy to refill the bottle. Great product.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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Fantastic to hear! Which IM did you do, Cozumel?

Candice Turner
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at the pictures, it looks like with the spacers picture there is no computer mount? And then with the mini mount picture which does allow you to have a computer, is the mini mount zip tied to the front of the aerobars? Or is it attached another way?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [stanlives] [ In reply to ]
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Correct. The Mini Mount allows you to have the included Computer mount on there. Otherwise you would need a barfly style mount. Yes ziptied at the front securing the front end of the mount to the aerobars. It is also secured by bolts right underneath the cage which goes into the aerobar. The zipties are to stabilize the mount before to support the weight of the computer mount. Otherwise it would bounce around a lot.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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IM Western Australia. The bottle made me so fast I was able to beat Andreas Raelert (well technically he DNF) but my name is still above his on the results list :)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Ironnerd] [ In reply to ]
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Oh ok very cool! Haha glad to hear you went fast, torpedo speed! Our athlete David Dellow came 3rd there and used his Torpedo System too!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Any news on the Delta 400 yet? Any initial drawings you can release? Also, any single carriers known to work with the ism attack yet?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [zachboring] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Zach!

No more news beyond the clip from the catalog that I shared. We are still finalizing the design. As far as the ISM Attack this Delta 400 will work :) Early in the new year I am planning on having more updates on the carrier. Stay tuned and Happy Holidays!

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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just installed my Torpedo 100 system - and the drinking straw (placed in the front hole) can hardly fit under the dolphin tail as the cage's triangle end-piece is right there. am I doing something wrong?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dindu] [ In reply to ]
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The Torpedo System 100 straw takes a little more effort than the 400 but shouldn't be very hard. Are you pushing the straw under the dolphin tail or pinching it? We have found if you pinch the straw near to where it will go under the tail, it makes it easier. If that's not it, email us at info@xlab-usa.com. We may have some more options you can try.

Candice Turner
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi candice! Just got my xlab torpedo 400 installed on my 2013 shiv! Wow the kit looks awesome! Im so excited to try it!!! Btw im from the philippines got it via your local distributor here in our country! Just have some question what if im doin training an not planning on using the torpedo bottle what other bottles fit the cage? Its seesm kinda small and wont fit my camel back podium chill bottle. Thanks!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mojoboy] [ In reply to ]
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I would like a 3 piece straw with a 45 or a 90 bend at the exit of the bottle
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [SlammedStance] [ In reply to ]
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It may be listed in the 13pgs of responses so far, but:

What is the diameter of the straw included with the 100? Please specify OD or ID. (Pretty simple to refit the bottle if I know the tube size - hoping someone answers today while I'm in town. Would measure my own but it's back home).
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mojoboy] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the kind comment.

What computer do you have mounted? That would then tell me the clearance you have. The Podium Chill bottle is slightly longer than your standard size bottle, so that may be the issue.

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi candice i have the garmin 910xt. I also have another inquiry regarding the diameter of the carbon torpedo cage on my 400 system seems like its too small to fit regular size bottle. Im afraid to try and push the regular camelback podium chill bottle in it cause i
Might crack the cage . Thanks candice!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mojoboy] [ In reply to ]
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The Garmin 910xt would be fine with the Torpedo bottle, but as I said the Podium Chill is longer than standard bottles so won't fit. I went to look for some bottles, but my design manager had his way with our test bottles, so I need to find some more to test. Would be good to know the maximum standard bottle length that will fit. I am thinking 20 ounces, but length is TBD.

As far as the Torpedo Cage, the sides do flex outwards so that you can pull a bottle in and out fairly easily. A podium chill bottle with a Torpedo cage by itself (ie no computer mount in front) works just fine. In fact that bottle has thinner sides than our Aqua Shot bottle which we use in all of our testing.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi candice went out for a ride today, did some climbs and sprints plus tried some rough roads with the xlab 400, i can say that i love the system, no splashings, the computer mount was perfect. The straw was very easy to use even on high speeds. Plus it can easily be tuck in the dolphin tail when not in use! just have one question is it normal for the mount to shake a bit when going ove semi rough roads? Or the straps needs some more tightening? All in all im very happy with my torpedo 400 system!!!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mojoboy] [ In reply to ]
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The straps need to be as tight as you can get them. Also a helpful tip to stabilize the computer mount more is, if you haven't already, move the mounting straps forward, closer to the computer mount itself. Glad you were happy with it apart from that, but if you do the 2 fixes I mentioned you should be set!

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice, this may have already been answered, but I can't find it. Is there any difference between the 100 and 400 as far as the mounting bracket? or are the systems the exact same with the exception of the use of carbon instead of composite material? Also, is the bottle material/design the same between the 100 and 400?
Thanks!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ngless] [ In reply to ]
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The 400 comes with a carbon fiber mounting plate. The 100 comes with an Aluminum plate and is also bent to maintain the high level of stiffness we require :)

As far as the bottle material/design that is the same.

Another difference is the cage; one has a carbon cage vs a nylon composite cage. The last notable difference is the colors. The 100 comes with black spacers and a clear bite valve. The 400 matches the bite valve & spacers with the color on the bottle.

Candice Turner
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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took my brand-new Torpedo 100 for a ride.

overall, clever design - easy to drink through the straw with bite valve, HOWEVER

1. the bottle would jump out of place on road bumps - first rotate and then almost fall out - had to catch it literally. NEEDS a string around the straw at base to hold in place. next ride used a regular specialized bottle - and it stayed in place fine on same bumps

2. NOWAY does the straw fit under the dolphin tale with the currently supplied bottle cage - the clearance between the corner triangle of the cage and the dolphin tale is minimal and does not allow the straw to enter even if forced. however, had no problem with un-tucked straw as it's fairly distant from the face and glasses (placed in the outer hole). imho - use the screw hole instead of dolphin-tail for a garmin holder somehow.

what says ye?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I purchased the 100 series model 2 days ago. Two rides later and the nylon cage is in the bin. It's junk. Every time I hit a bump in the road the bottle would shoot forward and knock my computer forward. It had almost zero purchase on the bottle.

I have switched it out for a gorilla cage I had lying around.

Guess it proves you get what you pay for. I would gladly have purchased the 400 version had my local shop had it in stock. I can't imagine what I will ever use the nylon cage for!

On a brighter note. The system itself is great. Coming from the old profile aero drink I really appreciated the straw being tucked away when not in use.

Now to find someone in Aussie who stocks the delta wing 300...
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice: I have a Garmin 910XT with the quick release kit.
Is there enough clearance for that to fit in the computer mount in front of the bottle?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [legendontour] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear that you had issues with the system. There was a very small batch of them that went out missing some hardware that would basically extend into the bottle groove preventing it from doing that, but as you bought it 2 days ago that is puzzling me. Could you let me know the name of the store you bought it at? I will also check that the systems we have going out and make sure they are assembled correctly.

If you need ay help finding the Delta 300 our distributor there is very helpful: http://www.echelonsports.com.au/contacts.php

Candice Turner
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [brynjulf] [ In reply to ]
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Yep that one will fit!

Candice Turner
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dindu] [ In reply to ]
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As I mentioned with the other poster, it shouldn't have rotated like that if you had this particular hardware. Can you email our customer service and we can make sure you have all of the hardware that you need? info@xlab-usa.com

We do have tips on how to put the straw under the dolphin tail, they would have come with your system when you bought it. Although slightly harder than the 400 you should be able to squeeze it in. Again you can always email or call us and we can help.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hey,

Yes it will work. There are 2 ways we have seen it done. Mount directly to the aerobar with the Torpedo Mini Mount Plate or the spacers included in the system. We haven't personally tested them, but the 2 customers seemed happy :)

Hi Candice

I bought the 400 but unfortunately i can't get the system to work on the new speed concept with both the bottle and computer mount working together.

The first picture in your post using the mini mount plate was how i wanted it to work - with the bottle and the computer mount being attached to both ends of the mini mount. Unfortunately the picture on your previous post isn't like my 2014 speed concept 7.5 - which is pretty much standard. If you look a picture of what my aero bars look like online (http://aerogeeks.files.wordpress.com/.../07/asset_168514.jpg), you can see on my bike the elbow pads are attached to a bar that is screwed on top of mono aerobar which i cant see in your picture. Its possible to attach the mini mount to the two center holes in the monobar with spacers only if you turn the mount around front to back, however when you do this, there isn't enough length to then attach a waterbottle cage and have enough room for the computer mount at the front with the water bottle in.

The second option of just screwing in the bottle cage is only possible by drilling another whole into the bottle cage holder so that you can use those centre screw holes.

So it seems in either way you have to drill some holes into the mini mount or water cage to get it working. Unless any other owners have found another way? I'm a bit nervous about drilling new holes but there doesn't seem like any other way.

Are there any plans to release anything bta specifically designed for the new speed concept?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [stanlives] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Stan,

Let me discuss your post internally with our design manager tomorrow and see if we have any ideas of working it or modding one.

Unfortunately no plans specifically for the speed concept just yet as we have a few other design projects we are working on :)

Stay tuned!

Candice Turner
CEO
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [stanlives] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

So I spoke with my design manager and Trek does have a bracket that goes over the base bar. You can see it here just below the cage. If you get that you can mount the Torpedo Mini Mount on top of that and then add the computer mount to the front. We haven't officially tested this method, but looks to be the only option if you wanted the computer in front.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice, does X-Lab have any plans to offer a water bottle/storage container for the down tube/seat tube junction of the Cervelo NP2/NP3? Cervelo will be selling a boatload of these bikes so there should be high demand for such an accessory.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Scott_B] [ In reply to ]
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There have been multiple requests on this storage box area for us. All I can say at this point in time is that we know there is a need for it and it is on our list of product ideas.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Excellent. That is good to hear.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Love the xlab setup. Works and looks great on the bike. Only complaint is my bite valve got a tear in it after about three weeks of use; probably just swap out the hose and valve with a camelback I have lying around that I don't use anymore.[/url][/img]
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [subydude88] [ In reply to ]
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Glad to hear you are loving your Torpedo System 400! Not great to hear about the bite valve though. Do you clamp down on it with your teeth? Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice:

I used the Xlab 400 during IM CA 70.3 this past weekend. I'm afraid the bite valve is now leaking. Is it possible to get a replacement bite valve? Thanks.

Rick
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [keeeeez] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Rick,

Could you shoot me a picture of it? Could be a couple things. You can email the picture to candice@xlab-usa.com

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mojoboy] [ In reply to ]
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Mojoboy wrote:
Hi candice! Just got my xlab torpedo 400 installed on my 2013 shiv! Wow the kit looks awesome! Im so excited to try it!!! Btw im from the philippines got it via your local distributor here in our country! Just have some question what if im doin training an not planning on using the torpedo bottle what other bottles fit the cage? Its seesm kinda small and wont fit my camel back podium chill bottle. Thanks!
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Can you post models of it on your Shiv?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BambooKing] [ In reply to ]
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Just got one and I think this is currently the best system. Having the computer up front is mandatory for much easier/safer reading in my opinion and XLab got this right.
I have one minor complaint though.
The installation instructions get into a lengthy discussion of how to adjust fore/aft and up/down position to perfectly hide the bottle within your arms. However, with a computer mounted, you completely lose the fore/aft adjustment. The bottle has to be mounted all the way to the back of the bracket for the computer mount to fit. This is independent of which computer you mount. I have a newer Joule GPS which fits well.
The problem could be solved by making the mounting bracket a little bit longer.

Less power, more aero.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [captainfranz] [ In reply to ]
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captainfranz wrote:
Just got one and I think this is currently the best system. Having the computer up front is mandatory for much easier/safer reading in my opinion and XLab got this right.
I have one minor complaint though.
The installation instructions get into a lengthy discussion of how to adjust fore/aft and up/down position to perfectly hide the bottle within your arms. However, with a computer mounted, you completely lose the fore/aft adjustment. The bottle has to be mounted all the way to the back of the bracket for the computer mount to fit. This is independent of which computer you mount. I have a newer Joule GPS which fits well.
The problem could be solved by making the mounting bracket a little bit longer.
Did you get the 100 or 400 and why did you pick that one?

Trying to decide between the two and looking for any input
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loutriguy] [ In reply to ]
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My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?
Did you get the 100?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loutriguy] [ In reply to ]
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loutriguy wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?

Did you get the 100?

I got the 100, but they are both the same just one is lighter.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
loutriguy wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?

Did you get the 100?


I got the 100, but they are both the same just one is lighter.
I believe the design of the cage is different on the 400 which allows the straw to fit better, I think.

FYI Trisports is having a 20% off sale, I just ordered the 400.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loutriguy] [ In reply to ]
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loutriguy wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
loutriguy wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?

Did you get the 100?


I got the 100, but they are both the same just one is lighter.

I believe the design of the cage is different on the 400 which allows the straw to fit better, I think.

FYI Trisports is having a 20% off sale, I just ordered the 400.

I'm looking at the bottle cage and I just don't see anyway for straw to fit under the dolphin tail because the bottle cage gets in the way....ugh
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?

Which cage are you talking about?

-Alex

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bostonalex] [ In reply to ]
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bostonalex wrote:
EnderWiggan wrote:
My issue is that the straw cant slide under the dolphin tail because the xlab bottle cage gets in the way. Is there a way to raise the height of the dolphin tail?


Which cage are you talking about?

The one that came with the system, xlab one
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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Hmm, I use the Torpedo carbon cage, but looking at their site, your nylon cage doesn't look like this?



-Alex

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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I got the 100, but the bottle kept catapulting out of the plastic cage, so I now replaced it with carbon gorilla and removed the useless dolphin tail - the straw is fine upright as well.

question: the screws holding the cage are totally prone to corrosion from sweat - are there any non-corrosive screws out there?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bostonalex] [ In reply to ]
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bostonalex wrote:
Hmm, I use the Torpedo carbon cage, but looking at their site, your nylon cage doesn't look like this?

Exactly! perfect picture. You can see how the cage interferes with the dolphin tail.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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Had the same problem. I put some washers underneath the dovetail to raise it so the straw could go under it.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [captainfranz] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the feedback. As you mentioned it is independent of which computer is mounted. We did a poll on the computer sizes out there and which ones were popular. We then saw we needed to have it work with the smallest of computers (Cateyes) up to the larger Garmin sizes so we decided to make the instructions generic to be more inclusive.

Glad to hear you are liking the system!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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The 100 system comes with the Vee Cage, which is a nylon composite cage. The arms are slightly thicker vs the Carbon Torpedo on the 400. We have heard that it is slightly more difficult to tuck the straw, but with some practice they were able to do it. Others have attached magnets/velcro on the bottle to make it easier...that may work for you

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dindu] [ In reply to ]
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Hi dindu,

I responded to another customer about ways to work with the plastic cage and the dolphin tail.

Re the screws, have you actually seen these corrode? That would surprise me as I haven't heard any reports of this. We are very picky on which hardware we include in our systems. The ones in Torpedo Systems are zinc plated, ideal for corrosion prevention.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Alpinist909] [ In reply to ]
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I found an easy fix for the computer mount and the garmin 510. Since the X lab mount has a smaller diameter and width than the Garmin twist mount, the 510 would keep rotating forward with road vibration.
There is a rubber tape in the electrical section of the hardware store. I wrapped the X Lab computer mount to make it bigger.
The tape, when stretched, turns grey. This causes it to heat up and vulcanize (bond) to the previous layer.
After 10 or so laps of tape, going around the mount, the garmin twist mount fit well.
One 20 mile test ride and the 510 never moved.

Has anybody else tried this? I'm amazed that there are only ~4 complaints about the width and stability of the computer mount. It reallly seems like the mount should be at least as wide as a Garmin mount and have a bit more grip to it. Making it slightly longer would hopefully help with the (inevitable) instance of the bottle bumping the computer. I'm basically holding my 510 in place with my thumbs because it seems to want to move off either side of that narrow mount or flop forward.

On a positive note, this certainly is not my first aerobar hydration system, but so far it's my favorite. The only leaking I have encountered is from the straw/bite valve which already beats most systems out there. When I'm not racing, it's nice to be able to use a standard bottle.

Blowing back into the straw after drinking has certainly helped keep gobs of sports drink from ending up on the frame. Lots of great tips on this thread!
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loutriguy] [ In reply to ]
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just looked at trisport did not see that 20% on the torpedo.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [cjb3] [ In reply to ]
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Eventhough the mount is smaller, if you use the little piece of rubber that comes with garmin mounting kit and then use the smaller rubber rings (this is key), the mount does not move at all in my experience.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [cjb3] [ In reply to ]
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cjb3 wrote:
just looked at trisport did not see that 20% on the torpedo.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks EW.

I'm using the rubber mount too. Maybe the 510 is just a little too big for what that mount was designed for. I'm going to throw some tape on there this weekend and try it out.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dangle] [ In reply to ]
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The Garmin computer is still very stable on the mount even though it looks narrow. If you criss-cross the O-ring bands per the Helpful tips sheet and the rubber mount you are using, you should be good! Let me know if you are still having issues after you try the tape method.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Candice!

I started with the criss-cross (per the instructions) and the rubber mount under the Garmin mount. The sucker still wants to rotate a little and move off to the left or right while riding. It's not drastic, but I'm sure you know how demanding people who really like bikes are.

Again, this is still the best "total package" product that I have come across and made sure others know it. Hopefully all of the time you spend responding to users via the forums helps you guys create the best products possible.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dangle] [ In reply to ]
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Are the o-rings relatively new?

Glad to hear despite the slight rotation you are still a fan. Yes I love being on here and gathering all of this helpful feedback that I can relay to my design team. We appreciate all feedback whether it is good or bad, so keep it coming!!

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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O-rings were straight outta the bag from Garmin. It just seems to be a width issue with the mount have a little bit of overhang on each side.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dangle] [ In reply to ]
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dangle wrote:
Thanks Candice!

I started with the criss-cross (per the instructions) and the rubber mount under the Garmin mount. The sucker still wants to rotate a little and move off to the left or right while riding. It's not drastic, but I'm sure you know how demanding people who really like bikes are.

Again, this is still the best "total package" product that I have come across and made sure others know it. Hopefully all of the time you spend responding to users via the forums helps you guys create the best products possible.

I super glued the elastics into the those channels. That held the position firm... too firm. The Garmin mount would occasionally lose a corner on one of the band wraps. I super glued those too. Now it's really solid.


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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [AdventureRun] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks AR!

Tape and super glue are timeless :-)
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anyone have an issue with their straps? have one of these 6 months, realised on spin today the bottle was shaking like mad, one of the straps was missing. thought it must have fallen off, cycled back the road and found it, but it hadn't fallen off, it had torn completely. Cycled home with one finger hooked around the mount to keep it steady, shoulder didn't like that.

anyone else have strap tearing issues? i guess zip ties are the next option. just glad it happened today rather than next saturday during one of 2 big races for the year for me
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mossym] [ In reply to ]
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Shouldn't have torn with the mini mount. Did you have the reinforced section of the strap up against the slot in the torpedo plate?

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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hey Candice
yeah, sure did, checked the other straps and they are lined up right as well. need to check when i get home but it wasn't at that bit it tore

i posted as last night i was wondering whether to change out all four if it was a common problem, but after sleeping on it, i guess the prudent thing to do is replace all of them with cable ties, given i have to do one anwyay
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I am using the Torpedo with a Garmin Edge 800. I haven't figured our a position yet where I can angle the computer flat or in such a way that it is easier to see. There is not enough space at the end of the bottle to accommodate the (slightly) longer computer. Unless I'm missing something.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Gervs] [ In reply to ]
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Gervs wrote:
I am using the Torpedo with a Garmin Edge 800. I haven't figured our a position yet where I can angle the computer flat or in such a way that it is easier to see. There is not enough space at the end of the bottle to accommodate the (slightly) longer computer. Unless I'm missing something.

Do you have the 800 mounted out in front of the bottle? If so, what are you using to do that?


Pete Githens
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [mossym] [ In reply to ]
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Hmmm, ok well I haven't heard of this issue with the new Torpedo Systems. We can definitely get a replacement strap out to you so you don't have to go the cable tie route. I would like to know more info and perhaps a pic if you still have the broken strap so we can figure out what happened. If you could do that it would be great, you can email me directly candice@xlab-usa.com

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Gervs] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Matt,

It is very close with the 800 & 810 models, but customers have made it work. The setup you will need is:

Spacers: use the shortest spacers or use no aero spacers at all.
Cage/Mount Placement: make sure the cage is all the way to the back of the mount
Computer Mount Placement: ensure the Aero Computer Mount is all the way to the edge of the plate.

If you have all 3 components, you can email me a picture and I can help further.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I want to put a 24 ounce camelback bottle in my torpedo cage, and don't want my Garmin 800 in front of the bottle (I want easy bottle removal). Any mounting suggestions? Photos would be appreciated.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [rachapkis] [ In reply to ]
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Which Torpedo Mount do you have? The original or the new Mini Mount?

Then I can get something mocked up with pictures.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I had the strap break last weekend, as well. I was going to try a zip tie to keep it from happening again, but I still have the strap. I can send you pics tonight.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [krull_etc] [ In reply to ]
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Yes that would be great thanks. Sorry for the inconvenience. We will make sure we get to the bottom of this and see what's causing the breakage.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Candice. I'll try changing the spacers. Because of where the bends are in my bars, and where the stem is, I'm not sure if no spacers would work and still allow the bottle to click all the way in. I can see how that would solve the problem on the front end though. I'll try it out tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Mr. October] [ In reply to ]
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Mr. October wrote:
Gervs wrote:
I am using the Torpedo with a Garmin Edge 800. I haven't figured our a position yet where I can angle the computer flat or in such a way that it is easier to see. There is not enough space at the end of the bottle to accommodate the (slightly) longer computer. Unless I'm missing something.


Do you have the 800 mounted out in front of the bottle? If so, what are you using to do that?

Yes I do, it just isn't work so great. The bottom of the 800 interferes with the front end of the bottle. Working on the issue.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Gervs] [ In reply to ]
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Oh I was referring to the aero spacers. The aero spacers won't affect how the bottle clicks in, they just raise the level of the cage/bottle to the level of your arms. You can add the washers to the screws to make sure the bottle is installed properly and clicks in.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice, is it possible to just get the bottle? I have a P5 so the full system isn't needed. Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [denali2001] [ In reply to ]
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Lucky you!! Love the P5s. Yes you can just buy the bottle, it is called the Torpedo Refill Upgrade Kit. Available in stores or online and comes with everything in the system except for the cage, torpedo mount & Aero Computer Mount.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice...do you guys sell just the red part at the end of the straw? I had it rip about half way through the ride at Ironman Boise and I was having a lot of trouble getting any water out of the bottle. After I noticed that the red pinch valve had torn and wasn't sealing around the black plastic piece. I saw that they sell the whole straw at trisports.com but with shipping it's over $20. I don't need the straw, just the red rubber part at the end of the straw. If possible I would like to buy a few in case this happens again. Thanks. Todd. I have the torpedo 400 system.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [phxphotog] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Todd,

Unfortunately the valve is connected to the hose so they come as one. Email our customer service department and they may be able to help. info@xlab-usa.com

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I have had the system since racing IM Sweden in 2013. One of the first in the UK to get it thanks to my friends at Multisport Distribution. Overall I like it and have 'managed' to get my hydration tabs in and also fill up the bottle on the move. Never that easy in race conditions I find.


I am using the clear plastic top and when the bottle is more than half full I get a lot of 'fine' splashes on my legs - It must be the little air hole in the solid cap. What is the purpose of this hole? It is worse if I have just placed an effervescent tab in there!!!! Or could it be the actual bite value spitting water at me???


I also find that I stop getting fluids from it long before it is empty (probably straw placement inside). No real problem but worth mentioning.


The value on the straw makes a real noise against the plastic bottle (when pinned down with using the dolphin tail) and I was not sure what this noise was for my very first ride with the system. I resolved this by placing a sticky velcro pad (fluffy one) under where it rests.


I am still experimenting with straw placement. I need it quite long to be able to drink and see where I am going. I have always used the dolphin tale to date. With the straw long it is obviously very floppy and you need to guide it in to your mouth. You then need a glance down to tuck the straw back under the tail. I was considering having it short and permanently sticking up (the way Liz Blatchford did in IM Mallorca 70.3) to see if that simplifies things for me.
Last edited by: TriadSL: Jun 25, 14 7:03
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [TriadSL] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the great feedback!! The crew over at Multisport Distribution are great, making sure all of our customers in the UK are covered with XLAB gear :)

Re the fine splashes - the air hole in the solid cap has to be there in order for you to drink out of the bite valve. If it was completely solid then in a sense hydrolocks the system and prevents any liquids from coming out of the valve. If part of your bite valve is tucked under the center plastic piece then it could very well be that. May want to check on yours and see if this is the case.

Re not being able to get fluids - you may want to see if your system is horizontal or if it is tilting up at the front. If it's tilting up then try and get it more level which will help you get more fluids.

Re the floppy straw - yeah we just have the 1 thickness of straw, but we have had an elite test team member talk to us about this need. We are looking into this. If you can reach down with a shorter straw then this obviously would make it stiffer. I would not cut it at first and just tuck the straw into the bottle and see if you can get down low with ease. Because once you cut the straw there is no going back :)

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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What is the trick to installing the plug in the bottle? I've been trying to push it through for 30 min now and it's driving me nuts.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [sammie] [ In reply to ]
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Install it from inside the bottle. First push the plug up at an angle & ensure you have part of the small lip on the outside of the bottle. Then continually push up as you go around in a circle. Try to avoid letting up on the plug as you push it up otherwise it tends to want to back out of the hole. Most of all patience! It will go in and you won't get any leaks from that hole...promise!!

We are filming a new video on helpful tips for the Torpedo System....hopefully be up in the next week or so. Will make sure that is one we cover as the first video we did doesn't have a visual of it. Will make sure I post a link to it here when it is live.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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So I have been using the torpedo for a few months with great success. Recently I decided to spread my aero bar pads out about 1/2" to get a more comfortable position for longer rides. This made my torpedo bottle bounce around a ton. Before, the bottle's rear rested on the aero pads just slightly enough to stabilize it. Now that that support is gone it just wanted to move and make a ton of noise. I came up with a small, easy fix that might help some others: velcro "shock absorbers." Here are some pics, basically it just gives the bottle something to rest on so it isn't bouncing so much. Before I did this, I checked all the straps to make sure they weren't lose, and those suckers are hella tight, so I really didn't see any other solution short of moving my aero pads back closer together.




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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Candace,

Is there a replacement parts kit without having to buy the bottle as well. I need a new straw as it is starting to crack pretty badly at the point where it enters the bottle, it's not leaking yet but it won't be long. It's also pretty nasty where the bite valve and tube connect. I've also misplaced my solid lid and have no idea where it could be. Not to mention the screws are starting to corrode.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Daryle
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe this helps?

http://xlab-usa.com/...ill-upgrade-kit.html


http://www.trisports.com/...o-refill-bottle.html

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dyarab] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Daryle,

Yeah we have spare straws & lids available here for purchase. Can you email me I had some questions on the usage of your bottle, candice@xlab-usa.com

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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The red plastic around my bite valve split after about 3 months. I had to cut it off. Candice, if you have any questions, let me know. I just think the plastic is too thin. I've not missed the valve since I cut it off.

They do sell a new straw and bite valve, if you need one.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [The Sloth] [ In reply to ]
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Sloth, I had no idea that the bottle could actually be quiet! Mine rattles a lot...other straps are tight... Where did you find those velcro 'shock absorbers'?? Thanks for sharing.
s.m :)
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Bryan... I found them a little while after I posted the question to Candace. Don't know why I was having trouble... seemed simple enough... one of those days I guess.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [space.monkey] [ In reply to ]
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space.monkey wrote:
Sloth, I had no idea that the bottle could actually be quiet! Mine rattles a lot...other straps are tight... Where did you find those velcro 'shock absorbers'?? Thanks for sharing.
s.m :)

I bought a roll of Velcro from the hardware store the rolled a couple inches of it around a pencil. That makes the little shock absorber barrel. Then just cut the strip, leaving about 2 inches, and put them under the aero pads like in the pics.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I have the torpedo for about two weeks. The staw seems cracked at the end inside the bottle. About 1/2 inch slit in length. Is this normal?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [avikoren1] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely not normal! Can you send me a picture of it so I can check it out, candice@xlab-usa.com? These go through a quality check before they are sent out so I am very interested in seeing this.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Yes I will. The straw is still inside the bottle but I think i can still take a picture.

Edit: Just sent you a picture to your email.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I have a tear in my straw near the bite valve. The straw is a little long, so I was considering cutting it near the bite valve, then re-inserting the valve in the top of the straw. How hard is it to install the bite valve back into the straw? I have a race coming up and don't want to attempt it, if there's a chance I won't be able to get it put back together. Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bencoolb] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Bencoolb,

The bite valve is actually glued to the straw, so if you are able to re-attach it, we cannot guaranteee that it will be as reliable as before. Can you send a picture of the tear through our warranty department, warranty@xlab-usa.com? It might get covered under warranty in which case no need to worry about re-attaching it. Let them know you have a race coming up so we can make sure to get a straw to you in time.

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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi

Anybody got any suggestions on how to keep the torpedo BTA bottle "locked in"? Did my first event with it a couple of weeks ago and hit a bump - nothing major - and it shot out and so I'm now down 1 bottle (as an aside, as I had no other bottles / cages on the bike and was relying aid stations to refill it meant I had to just drink what I could as I went through the stations and then toss the bottle I'd picked up out as I left the station - I don't recommend this!).

I'll buy the replacement kit because I like how the bottle works (when it stays on) but I'm going to need to figure how to set it up so there's no way it can come out. It had seemed pretty solid on the couple of training rides I had with it, with the top of the screw sliding into the slot underneath to hold the bottle in but I guess all was not as good as it appeared. So, any suggestions welcome.


Cheers
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [lachlan73] [ In reply to ]
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Wrap some electrical tape around the bottle and cage - I just do it in one spot. Pretty? No. It's effective though. I had the same thing happen at TTT, and also one training ride. Both times I hit some really nasty bumps. For training rides I won't tape it down, but I do for any race.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bencoolb] [ In reply to ]
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I would just cut it off and forget about it . The red plastic on the valve split on mine after about 4 months of use, and the bite valve basically came apart during a ride one day. I think the bottle itself is really good but the bite valve was sub-par.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [integrator] [ In reply to ]
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We do have our Engineers looking at a design enhancement. This is one of their top priorities that they are focused on. I will post here once we have a more reliable & long term solution, but in the meantime we will of course replace any torn valves.

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [lachlan73] [ In reply to ]
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We do have a tip here that shows how to properly lock the bottle in. Not saying you didn't do this, but it is a good double-check: http://xlab-usa.com/torpedo-system.html. It is the 2nd video on the page. If you have pictures of your setup I can see if there is anything there that might be helping it to launch.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,

Do you sell just the bottle? I don't think I installed mine very well over the past few months and put a hole in the bottom of the bottle.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice

Thanks - will take a pic and send it on over over the next day or so to see if you have any hints that might help. I'm pretty obessive about trying to make sure stuff "works" so I had followed the instructions on the video but somehow the bottle still made its break for freedom. I guess there's always the one off - I just want to make very sure that it's a one off and put the security of the bottle beyond doubt next time.


Cheers
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [JaxGator80] [ In reply to ]
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Hi - we do, but I am interesting in seeing the hole at the bottom. Can you take a picture of it and email our support team? support@xlab-usa.com. We might be able to help you out there.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [lachlan73] [ In reply to ]
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As do I, so don't blame you for wanting it to be 100% secure. If your setup looks fine we can come up with some tips that will help secure it more so you aren't worried about it.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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How do you quickly refill the bottle on a ride? The Xlab bottle seems like it would take forever to squeeze all of the water out. Any tips?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [action_hack] [ In reply to ]
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There are 2 lids which are both very easy & quick to refill. There is the slotted lid which remains open. Simply press the bottle into the lid and squeeze. The solid lid is easy to flip open and re-seal after filling up. It takes me about 6 squeezes of a full bottle to empty. I find myself rotating the bottle in my hands so I can continually squeeze the bottle. I use the XLAB Aqua Shots which have a anti-leak nozzle so it is slower for air to fill the bottle before I need to squeeze again, rotating it allows me to squeeze more liquid in while the air fills the bottle.

Hope this answers your question...if not let me know!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice,
I just wanted to follow up to say, "Thank you." The warranty department got me a new straw in time for my race. No problems.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [bencoolb] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the follow up! Hope the race went well!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,

Just a quick question which may have been asked before on this thread but theres so many pages already. However, I have my aerobars tilted upward a bit which would put most of the liquid towards the rear of the bottle when it's becoming less full. Is it possible to push the straw right to the rear of the bottle without effecting the flow of water coming out of the straw.

Thanks Alex
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [alexholbrook] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Alex! Yes the flow will not be affected. The only issue you would notice is that the more you push the straw in, the more the bite valve will move away from you. We do have a longer straw available (not on the website just yet) to help avoid this (plus help be within a more reachable distance of you when you drink). It is 4" longer.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Is it possible til then to pick up some tubing from a hardwear store and use that instead? What's the dimension of the tubing?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [alexholbrook] [ In reply to ]
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Oh you can still buy it, just have to go direct with us vs online spare parts. Give us a call or shoot an email and ask for the 15" long straw and specify which bite valve color.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
The Garmin computer is still very stable on the mount even though it looks narrow. If you criss-cross the O-ring bands per the Helpful tips sheet and the rubber mount you are using, you should be good! Let me know if you are still having issues after you try the tape method.

Candice,

After having to finish a race with my Garmin stuffed into my suit after it fell sideways off the narrow mount and lost a rubber band, I decided to re-visit new BTA options. I saw you guys upgraded the computer mount to where it looks like it fits the Garmin mount way better.

Is it possible to trade in my original one for that one? I'm already into your BTA system $150+ at this point.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dangle] [ In reply to ]
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Hi dangle,

Sorry to hear about the Garmin during the race. Glad that you were able to hold on to it. If you could email our customer service department they will work with you on your question. Their email is info@xlab-usa.com and you will be communicating with Damon. Thanks!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice,

I should have actually looked at how (relatively for the bike world) inexpensive the part was before whining online.

Thanks for your continued support to the ST community.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [dangle] [ In reply to ]
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Haha no worries. The cost is not important...what is, is ensuring you & the rest of our customers are happy with our products! If you aren't we try our best to make that happen :)

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi, can someone please advise how far the bottle extends from the notch for the tab at the back of the cage?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pk1] [ In reply to ]
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It is roughly 1.75" of overhang. Where are you tight on space?

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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oops sorry, poorly worded question. i'm actually after the forwards length towards my hands
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [pk1] [ In reply to ]
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Ah ok. Well I don't know how long your arms are so can't say how close it will be to your hands, but I can tell you the overall length of the system, with the bottle/cage in the furthest rear position it can be in! 11.5 inches long. You can adjust cage position on the mount to help with the fit.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
Last edited by: Candice - XLAB: Aug 11, 15 7:38
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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does X-Lab make a little longer Velcro strap? I just completed a fit on my Fuji Tri bike and own a Torpedo 100 set up. For the aero bars to fit comfortably they are spread out a little bit farther than normal. The 4 Velcro straps are about 1" short due to the spacing of the bars. Do they make any that are a little bit longer? Thanks.

2011 Fuji D6 3.0
2012 Specialized Allez
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [smoothie7] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately know the XTS strap just comes in the one size. Let me talk with Damon as I believe he has helped athletes such as yourself. He may have some ideas we can try!

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Great. Thanks for the quick response. I suppose I could go to the local hardware and purchase some longer straps but then your advertising on the nice looking straps wouldn't be there

2011 Fuji D6 3.0
2012 Specialized Allez
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [smoothie7] [ In reply to ]
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If you buy the 2nd gen computer mount does it come with new rubber bands?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [smoothie7] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry, it was a busy day yesterday and I didn't hear back from my guy on a solution. Having said that I believe there was someone here on Slowtwitch that came up with a solution. I can't find their individual post, so I will post the pictures and hopefully they don't mind! Although our lovely XLAB straps aren't in use, the customer did find a way to make the straps longer with some fiddling. I unfortunately cannot say whether they are still using this setup, but could be worth the try!



Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [loutriguy] [ In reply to ]
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The rubber bands would have come with your computer. If you don't have any they can often be purchased through the manufacturer, ie the Garmin O-rings. What is included with the 2nd gen computer mount, is the actual computer mount chassis and the hardware required to mount it onto a Torpedo mount or the steerer tube area.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [smoothie7] [ In reply to ]
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I still have the straps that came with my X-Labs Torpedo, but I prefer to use reusable black zip ties. They're pretty awesome, since I can remove and replace them easily and they're a bit smaller and stealthier than velcro straps.

As an aside, although I chosen to replace straw with a camelpak version & bite valve, I've been very satisfied with the X-labs Torpedo kit and ocassionally use Gorilla cages behind the saddle as well.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Is the Trisports version of this still supposed to ship, next week?

Thanks.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [nc452010] [ In reply to ]
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Hey - which Trisports version are you referring to?

Kompacts are shipping now and you can currently grab them on sale: http://www.trisports.com/...edo-kompact-100.html
Versas are shipping end of this month to Trisports. They have had a pre-order for a while so you may want to place yours now, if you are interested. Trisports will probably start shipping to customers beginning of March.

Hope this answers your question!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
Last edited by: Candice - XLAB: Feb 15, 16 13:20
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I pre-ordered from Trisports in December. The order said they were due to arrive at Trisports on 2/22. That's why I asked the question I did.

I have a tri in mid-March. I just wanted to know which direction I needed to go in, so I could plan.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [nc452010] [ In reply to ]
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Ah ok - yeah we had a little bit of a delay on some of the parts which caused the 1 week delay. Trisports will be one of the first to receive them, but you may want to check with them on when your order will expect to go out, in case they have quite a few pre-orders.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [nc452010] [ In reply to ]
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nc452010 wrote:
I pre-ordered from Trisports in December. The order said they were due to arrive at Trisports on 2/22. That's why I asked the question I did.

I have a tri in mid-March. I just wanted to know which direction I needed to go in, so I could plan.

Anyone received one from trisports? My email said 2/23.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Hi ChrisM,

We had a bit of a delay on shipping the systems out and they are starting to ship today, Trisports being one of them. Please reach out to Trisports on when they expect your pre-order to ship.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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Got an email from them last week saying due to ship later this week.
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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2/23.... passed
Trisports email said shipments going out 3/5 and 3/11. Have heard nothing further. Anyone got theirs?
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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There's another thread on the new Versa system and some people have received theirs. Here's the link

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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I got mine, Friday (11th).
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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ChrisM wrote:
2/23.... passed
Trisports email said shipments going out 3/5 and 3/11. Have heard nothing further. Anyone got theirs?

I ordered a pink one for my wife (to try out) back in early February. It showed up on 3/11 as predicted.

After playing with it over the weekend I decided to buy a red one for me on 3/14. That shows on back order until 3/18, but the pink one is still in stock. Probably depends on the color you ordered. Red is more popular than pink?

"...the street finds its own uses for things"
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Re: New X-Lab Torpedo BTA Bottle [AutomaticJack] [ In reply to ]
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Accdg to Tri sports my red is being delivered today.
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