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NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot
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I am just curious if anyone has had a chance to try on both of these products and if they might be able to offer any comparisons?

I tried on the Recovery Pump Boot at IM New Orleans 70.3 and really liked them. I wondered how it compared to the NormaTec MVP?

I would also be interested to hear from anyone who owns a pair of the "Recovery Pump Boots" and what they think of them.

Normatec http://www.normatecsports.com/

Recovery Pump http://www.recoverypump.com/index.html

Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I have a set of the Recovery Pump Boots, and cannot speak directly to the NormaTec, but I must say I have been nothing but happy with the Recovery Pump. It is nice that you are able to use Flex Spending to purchase them since they will require a Rx, a great way to spend some of the left over cash at the end of a year if you so choose. From personal experience, I am feeling much fresher between workouts having used the boots. They are also a good way to get ready for a workout.



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I'll throw my 2 cents in the ring - hopefully it will help atleast a little. Recovery Pump sponsors our team so I am fortunate enough to try out the system at a generously discounted rate. Having said that I would invest the cost of the system in these now that I have tried them if they weren't being so kind and generous.
I use the Recovery Pump as my training recovery tool. I also use the system for a warm up when I have the time. Here is what I like:
-As a warm up tool I am able to use the boot for 15 min. and I feel I can progress into my higher intensity work faster than I can when I don't use the R.P. system before a workout. Might be a sign of old age (almost 40) that I am requiring more and more warm up, but I am thrilled with the results from the RP system. I have not used the NormaTec system for this and can't speak to their use in this capacity.
-As much as I love them for warm up I love them 100x more for recovery. I can't tell you what 20 min. post workout (I am lucky enough to work from home so I hook them up after a workout and work on the computer) and an hour at night does for my next day's workout. Again, might be a sign of old age but I have been taking longer and longer to bounce back from the longer and harder workouts and I find when I am diligent with my RP system I don't get that sluggish and heavy leg feeling on my next day's run or bike that I used to. I haven't used the NT system for workout recovery either so I can't speak to how they work or feel.
Where I have used both the NT and the RP system is post-surgical. When I was in the hospital post-hysterectomy I was on a NT type system (Peristaltic pulse type) system. As soon as I returned home I was able to use my Recovery Pump (sequential compression) system. As far as surgical recovery I thought my RP system was heads above, especially in comfort. With the RP system your entire leg is getting the compression for a longer period of time. For my particular recovery with leg pain and swelling the sequential compression was much more effective in reducing pain and swelling. Since I am not a doctor I won't even touch which one is better, but I will say that the RP system was much more comfortable for me and after having abdominal surgery comfort was one of my #1 concerns!
Both websites have GREAT information, recovery pump has added a lot of research and information to their site recently.
(you do need to have an RX to get the RP system and have it covered as a FSA but my Dr. gave me full support, I brought in some printed info from the RP site and he was in full support!)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [coachkati] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I will start by saying that I am currently sponsored by Recovery Pump, and had previously been sponsored by NormaTec. I understand that my perspective may appear to be biased, however, I hope to offer useful feedback based on my experience with both companies' products.

The primary difference between the two products is the type of compression: peristaltic (Norma) vs. sequential (Recovery Pump). In a nutshell, this means that the Recovery Pump will hold pressure on each chamber as it progresses up the leg, while Norma will release (compressing only one chamber at a time). From a more scientific standpoint, the Recovery Pump compresses the entire leg for more than 30 seconds, and, therefore, there is a much greater absorption of fluid and "flush" of the muscle per cycle. Norma only has 8-10 seconds of compression on any one part of the leg, so the osmotic absorption rate is 2/3 less.

This being said, the practical standpoint - and my personal experience - tells me that Recovery Pump is more effective at aiding with recovery. Recently I went through an injury to my lower leg, which resulted in fluid build-up around my tibia (and posterior tibialis muscle). I could literally see the Recovery Pump working - after 45-60 min in the boots, my the swelling was visibly gone, and it felt looser and better.

I could go on and on about how the Recovery Pump helps me get ready for workouts, and how it speeds up my recovery time, but to summarize quickly - it's well worth the money!

Let me know if you would like some more specific information, as I am happy to share it with you. Send me a PM, and I'm happy to elaborate.

Michael



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [vatolovato] [ In reply to ]
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Michael:

What is the cost difference between the two products and are they both "roughly" the same from a size and logistics of use standpoint?

Thanks,

Bob



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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There is a significance difference, as Michael alluded to, in the technology of each. However, Michael's explanation was not entirely accurate.

NormaTec uses a *patented* waveform cycle (which is adjustable in both pressure and on/off duration for each of the five cells in the boots). This what NormaTec calls "peristaltic" pressure from the word "peristalsis." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peristalsis) The key is that peristalsis is basically a support of the natural flushing that your body supports on it's own. NormaTec just gives it a "boost." NormaTec is short for "NORMAl recovery through TEChnology." The key here being that you are simply supporting your body's own natural recovery process. The founder/creator of NormaTec, Dr. Laura Jacobs, is an MD-PhD physician specializing in rehabilitative medicine. She pioneered the peristaltic pressure system used by the NormaTec in her own clinical research and practice.

The Recovery Pump is basically just a high pressure compression boot. Think of it as a really tight compression tight. That's it. It's technology that has been around since (IIRC) the early 40s. It's somewhat effective, but quite crude.

NormaTec was supposed to release a model last summer that offers that same patented peristaltic pumping action, but with less adjustability, but a flood in their warehouse destroyed almost all of their product and set them way back. The product should be released this summer, along with an update to the current NormaTec MVP system that is about 1/2 the size and even more easily adjustable.

To put it in terms this forum can understand, the Recovery Pump is the equivalent of a welded aluminum round tube frame. It's useful, cheap, and practical. But it's not exactly "high tech." The NormaTec is your wind-tunnel developed, carbon, lightweight, latest technology TT frame. It's a significant leap forward. Is it 5x as good (it costs ~5x as much)? No. But it is a significantly more advanced - and effective - product.


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Ahh, battling sponsored product shills! Who am I to believe?!?!?!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [gbot] [ In reply to ]
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Well, you can look at what Lance chooses, what a significant number of NBA & NFL players use, and think about the fact that NONE of them are paid to use NormaTec (and many of them actually just paid full $ for their systems), and I think it's pretty clear.

The Recovery Pump is old tech. It's fine for what it is. But it's certainly NOT a competitor the NormaTec.

Keep in mind that the Recovery Pump was a purpose built CONSUMER product. The NormaTec MVP is a commercial (sort of) version that's a derivative of a DME product designed exclusively for rehabilitative medicine.

Spend some time reading about how each product actually works. The difference is clear. Then just make your own decision.

Doesn't matter to me which you choose. Just want to be clear on what the actual facts are in each case.

EDIT: one thing I forgot to add - the NormaTec "holds" the two (or one if it's the ankle pulsing or none if it's the foot) cells below the currently pulsing cell to avoid pushing fluid down into the leg (as opposed to back to the heart). So that's an important distinction from what Michael explained about the NormaTec pulsing only one cell at a time...


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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I choose elevating my legs and drinking chocolate milk. Of course, neither of those are going to get anyone paid (aside from dairy producers I suppose).
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [gbot] [ In reply to ]
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gbot wrote:
I choose elevating my legs and drinking chocolate milk. Of course, neither of those are going to get anyone paid (aside from dairy producers I suppose).

Fair choice. I wouldn't try to steer you towards doing anything else. If you wanted to try something else, I'd certainly offer my best advice, but I'm definitely not here to tell you that you need a NormaTec to recover properly. You don't. Does it help? Yes. Is it a lot of money? Yes. But I've long learned that valuation is something for individual people to determine for themselves...


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [vatolovato] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for your insight, I appreciate it.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Jordan,
Thank you for your response. I was pretty sure from the start of this post that Normatec would probably be a superior product, just look at the pricing. Your explanation gives me a better idea of how the two different products work.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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As I said above, with no experience with the NormaTec, I cannot speak to it directly, but I know I came from having used 2XU or Zoot Compression tights and CEP socks prior to using the Recovery Pump and can say without a doubt it does more than any clothing I have used by a long ways. I do think there has been a significant amount of research that has gone into NormaTec, just as has gone into Zipp etc. You have other companies such as FLO designing wheels that are very competitive in benefits at a fraction of the cost.

As with most things in this sport, it seems as you can save a chunk of money going with something that will get you most of the benefit. It may boil down to the point where for some people, the added benefit will give them that extra edge that they are looking to find.

The reason I say RP has been so good for me is when looking at most clothing articles, you are going to get anywhere from 18-30 mmHg of compression, something like the RP allows you to go up to 80. Although you wouldn't want compression clothing to always be that high, that is where these products excel because of the flushing motion to clear out your legs quicker.



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Rappstar wrote:
Well, you can look at what Lance chooses, what a significant number of NBA & NFL players use, and think about the fact that NONE of them are paid to use NormaTec (and many of them actually just paid full $ for their systems), and I think it's pretty clear.

The Recovery Pump is old tech. It's fine for what it is. But it's certainly NOT a competitor the NormaTec.

Keep in mind that the Recovery Pump was a purpose built CONSUMER product. The NormaTec MVP is a commercial (sort of) version that's a derivative of a DME product designed exclusively for rehabilitative medicine.

Spend some time reading about how each product actually works. The difference is clear. Then just make your own decision.

Doesn't matter to me which you choose. Just want to be clear on what the actual facts are in each case.

EDIT: one thing I forgot to add - the NormaTec "holds" the two (or one if it's the ankle pulsing or none if it's the foot) cells below the currently pulsing cell to avoid pushing fluid down into the leg (as opposed to back to the heart). So that's an important distinction from what Michael explained about the NormaTec pulsing only one cell at a time...


Rappster, I don't think you have a complete understanding of what Recovery Pump is, which is understandable considering you don't work with them.

Recovery Pump was not built as a CONSUMER product. It is a rebranded version of Lymphapress, which is also a DME product designed for rehabilitative medicine. I've heard that medical patients find it's actually much more effective than NormaTec, because it does more than just mimic the natural flushing of your legs. I have not heard of any comparisons by athletes though.

Also, Recovery Pump is not like a really tight compression tight. It compresses from the foot and grows the compression up the legs and then releases all at one time. It then repeats this process. Just holding tight like a compression tight would be ineffective. I could understand your "old tech" comment if you thought that was what it did. That's not the case though. The studies that I have seen say that this is more effective at flushing your legs than what NormaTec does.

In regards to your Lance, NFL and NBA comment, Recovery Pump just entered the sports market in 2011. These athletes have been with NormaTec longer than that and were never give the choice between the two boots. NormaTec had no competitors last year so what athlete wouldn't take a sponsorship by them? I don't believe Recovery Pump has even started to pursue the big sport pro athletes.

I respect that you are defending your sponsor, but I just want to make sure the everyone is clear on the facts here.

(Just making a late edit here. Read this: http://recoverypump.com/use.html under the "Other Important Information" section. It clearly states the advantages of Recovery Pump's sequential compression system vs NormaTec's peristaltic compression system.)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Not to flood this thread with more sponsored athlete posts... but I just want to add my $0.02.

I got sponsored by Recovery Pump through Team Trakkers/Rev3 this year and have been using the boots for about two months now. My first impressions were huge.

I've trashed my legs during a full day of spring skiing in thick mashed potato snow and came home to spend an hour in the Recovery Pump boots. The next day, my legs felt AMAZING. There was almost no lagging soreness at all. They obviously aren't magic and can't rebuild muscle tissue, but I definitely feel undeniably fresher the next day and help me be able to put more hard efforts in without feeling more and more drained after each one.

And I've had the same results after hard track workouts or interval sessions on the trainer. An hour or so in the Recovery Pump boots post workout and I feel much fresher the next day.

We can debate the millions of differences in how the boots inflate for years, but this is the one that does it for me. Recovery Pump can be paid for using your FSA for a reason. Because it is born from the medical industry. It is highly regulated and requires scientific results to back it up and justify insurance to cover the cost for people who need it to recovery from non sports-related industries. I care more about what the FDA says about a product like Recovery Pump than Lance or any NFL athletes.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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The obvious solution to this puzzle is for NormaTec and Recovery Pump to each send me a system to trial. I will thrash myself for one week and wear one system on each leg (consistently) for recovery during the week. The system worn by whichever leg feels better obviously wins! I will document and share my findings with all of you.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I've used and often Rx (and use for post-op recovery) the Gameready pumps/cold therapy. GREAT for recovery for sure. Cost? Yeah, $$$. Been using since 2003, so nothing new!

http://www.gameready.com/

This is the system that team Radioshack uses (as well as several NFL teams and others).

@ Jordan - "Lance" and the Shack are with Gameready, Garmin-Chipotel (and Dr. Lim) now with Normatec.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mta] [ In reply to ]
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mta wrote:
Rappster, I don't think you have a complete understanding of what Recovery Pump is, which is understandable considering you don't work with them.

Recovery Pump was not built as a CONSUMER product. It is a rebranded version of Lymphapress, which is also a DME product designed for rehabilitative medicine. I've heard that medical patients find it's actually much more effective than NormaTec, because it does more than just mimic the natural flushing of your legs. I have not heard of any comparisons by athletes though.

What I lacked, at least in this case, was control over my vocabulary. My apologies for an inartfully worded reply. What I meant by my reference to NormaTec being DME is that it was designed for use in a rehabilitative/post-surgical environment. NormaTec specifically was designed for this. The "consumer" version - the MVP - is virtually identical to the "regular" (medical) NormaTec. Dr. Jacobs designed the system based on what she saw as limitations/failings with traditional lymphedema pumps. That was genesis of NormaTec. The consumer version came about because there were numerous athletes, usually recovering from ACL/MCL/other typical leg injuries that felt so good using the NormaTec during rehab that they continued to use it just to recover from normal training. The Recovery Pump is "old" technology - lymphedema pumps - that has been re-packaged as a recovery aid. My *opinion* is that they saw the success that NormaTec has had, so the "creators" (using the term loosely) of Recovery Pump simply took the technology that NormaTec was designed to supplant, and made a consumer product version of it. I.e., NormaTec is a new technology that happened to be applied to a consumer product. Recovery Pump is a specific consumer version of an old technology. Hopefully that's more effectively worded. To analogize, NormaTec is like the original QR wetsuit - a similar, but distinct, product designed specifically for a given application (swimming). Recovery Pump would be like O'Neill deciding to push their surfing wetsuits to triathletes for triathlon.

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Also, Recovery Pump is not like a really tight compression tight. It compresses from the foot and grows the compression up the legs and then releases all at one time. It then repeats this process. Just holding tight like a compression tight would be ineffective. I could understand your "old tech" comment if you thought that was what it did. That's not the case though. The studies that I have seen say that this is more effective at flushing your legs than what NormaTec does.

My reference to it being "like a compression tight" was meant to highlight that both are simply graduated compression. One is obviously active and the other is obviously passive, and yes, that is certainly a big difference. But compression garments are designed to provide graduated compression, which is what the Recovery Pump also does. Of course the pumping action makes a difference. But likewise if you are active in your compression tights, it's perhaps not so dissimilar. My point was, simply, that both compression tights and Recovery Pump offer ONLY graduated compression, not the peristaltic pumping action of the NormaTec. As far as "effectiveness at flushing your legs," do you have links to the studies to which you refer? I'll see if I can get copies of the studies. In my own conversations with Dr. Jacobs and the NormaTec team, I have heard the exact opposite, though the specifics were with regards to blood flow (Dr. Jacobs' current theory is that the pulsing appears to stimulate the release of nitric oxide, which is a vasodilator). And there was a study (not published that I'm aware of) undertaken at the USOC that examined muscle elasticity after various recovery modalities and found NormaTec superior to all, including massage.

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In regards to your Lance, NFL and NBA comment, Recovery Pump just entered the sports market in 2011. These athletes have been with NormaTec longer than that and were never give the choice between the two boots. NormaTec had no competitors last year so what athlete wouldn't take a sponsorship by them? I don't believe Recovery Pump has even started to pursue the big sport pro athletes.

That's true. But lymphedema pumps have been around for a long time. That hearkens back to my earlier point. NormaTec was a medical tool that ATHLETES took into sports, and NormaTec basically shrugged and said, "well, if they think it helps, then we probably should consider that." So the choice has been around. You think these athletes couldn't have gotten a DME prescription for a lymphedema pump? Or that if they felt that a lymphedema pump helped more than just post-surgery, that they wouldn't have continued to use it?

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I respect that you are defending your sponsor, but I just want to make sure the everyone is clear on the facts here.

I agree. And I apologize for my poorly written reply earlier. But I don't believe that your "correction" of my post was entirely accurate.


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Come on, Jordan - step up for NormaTec and have them ship me a demo unit for early June... I can guarantee HUGE exposure!


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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First - thank you MTA for your excellent articulation and insightful analysis. The correction of the earlier post needed to be made. The one poster is way off base and has done a magnificent job of muddying the water with speculation, half truths and downright falsehoods to support his sponsor. Having personally researched three companies in my due diligence before purchase, I know for a fact there is more than "inartful wording" here. I would parse the parsed comments, but too much has been said in error about Recovery Pump and their technology and I am not interested in a protracted online debate. Surely NormaTec doesn't want sponsored athletes disparaging their competition in print.

From my perspective and as an unbiased AGer, Recovery Pump has the science behind it and is a tremendous value for the dollar. It has helped my training and recovery immensely AND it feels great! Not to mention, the Recovery Pump staff and the pros they sponsor are gracious and lovely to deal with.

I personally could afford any pump, but when comparing benefits derived to the associated cost, Recovery Pump wins hands down.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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In all frankness, both NormaTec's and Recovery Pump's product are classified as Intermittent Pneumatic Compression Devices. They are both active compression modalities. Medically, the key difference is the mechanism in which the products apply compression. NormaTec utilizes a peristaltic wave compression, Recovery Pump uses sequential compression - essentially inflation of air chambers starting distally and moving proximately.

Either product offers a better recovery than passive (meaning compression socks or sleeve) modalities. This has been documented via copius scientific studies.

Specific to Jordan's claim that Recovery Pump's technology is "old"...that's not necessarily a bad thing. The benefits of sequential intermittent pneumatic compression have been researched (and published) numerous times. There is a clear linkage between this type of compression and recovery speed. There is less published research on peristaltic wave compression as a recovery modality. Don't believe me? Google it. Go to Google Scholar and search sequential intermittent pneumatic compression & search peristaltic compression.

The bottom line here is that EITHER product will offer a good feeling on your legs. Both products will aid in your recovery. That said, I trust the published research that I've read (by the way, I recently wrote a blog article about compression and the more than 25 studies I reviewed. Click the link below and find it).

Like some of the others who have posted, I am sponsored by Recovery Pump - and will certainly advocate for how the product makes me feel (which, to echo others, is GREAT). All that being said, I think it's important to point out that the differences in the type of compression offered by the two products are foundationally similar, and yet also different. Recovery Pump's compression is backed by lots of published research; NormaTec less so.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Joel0135] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone have the results of a scientific study that compares the effectiveness of these two items? I'm sure they both work but it sounds like both me and Rappster are going by word of mouth on what's better. I've heard the science now behind why each thinks they work better. I'd like to see real proof.

Also, it would be great if one of the owners could come on here and explain why they think their product is better. Clearly they both have argued that their product is superior to the other.

Right now though, I'm thinking that if both are in fact of equal effectiveness, then the $4000 vs $1000 price tag clearly shows which product I'd buy. In addition to that, I've heard the Recovery Pump is a much smaller unit and is a lot easier to travel with.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mta] [ In reply to ]
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Great question...in my research I was unable to find published data comparing the efficacy of one type of pneumatic compression versus another type of pneumatic compression. All the studies I read compared passive compression versus active (meaning pneumatic...wave peristaltic or sequential intermittent).

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Joel0135] [ In reply to ]
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I'll leave the scientific parts of this debate to those that are more qualified than me, but I will just add that being a MOP athlete that has always struggled with soreness and stiffness after long workouts, the Recovery Pump has indeed helped me get back in the saddle quicker than before. I am also on Team Trakkers and thus sponsored by Recovery Pump, so take what I say with a grain of salt if you want, but the product works. I have less days where I struggle during workouts because my legs are fried from that long bike or long run. As far as how portable the Recovery pump is...you could easily fit it in a back pack or one of the bags they give away at races. This to say that it is very portable and I will be taking it to all of my races this year. I don't know how the portable the Normatec is, but there will be no problem transporting the Recovery Pump. Both systems will help in recovery. Good luck with your research.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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I just noticed this on the Recovery Pump site: http://recoverypump.com/use.html. Read the Other Important Information section. It compares SEQUENTIAL(Recovery Pump) VS. PERISTALTIC (NormaTec) compression.

Seems like a pretty good explanation for why Recovery Pump is better.

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mta wrote:
I just noticed this on the Recovery Pump site: http://recoverypump.com/use.html. Read the Other Important Information section. It compares SEQUENTIAL(Recovery Pump) VS. PERISTALTIC (NormaTec) compression.

Seems like a pretty good explanation for why Recovery Pump is better.

Well thank goodness you linked everyone to a non-biased, neutral piece of evidence.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mta] [ In reply to ]
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Full disclosure, I am also sponsored by RecoveryPump. I can offer a few tidbits to this discussion. The most important thing here is that if you are interested in the science, go to each web site and read the information for yourself (RecoveryPump.com). If I were about to spend several thousand dollars on a product, I would read up on it myself and not listen to athletes' interpretation of the products' medical explanations. Athletes can offer you their experiences with the products, but there are only a couple physicians who are also professional triathletes (none have chimed in here, yet). If you read RecoveryPump's literature you will understand the difference, especially about the why the sequential compression is a superior technology. RecoveryPump is very new to sports, but it has been used in hospitals for years under a different brand name to treat a whole host of problems and issues. If you do want to read the research on the subject of compression, then RecoveryPump is now posting a great deal of published reseach on this topic. RecoveryPump's website is fairly new, but they are adding more content every day.

I have been using RecoveryPump for over a year, even before I was sponsored. My training buddy had a set and I would go over to his house whenever I could to use them. Now I have a set, use them every day, and notice a true difference in my recovery. I have never been someone who follows the fads, gimmicks, and pseudo-science that seem to take over this sport. This product is the real deal and should be part of every athlete's training regiment. I would not use it or promote it if I didn't believe and know that it works.

If you read the literature on the products, you will come to two conclusions: RecoveryPump's technology is better and the price-point is a no brainer. If don't agree with me, I'd be happy to sell you a Ford Focus for the price of a new Mercedes.

On a related note, I had 4 flights yesterday, the day after a race. I got home and my lower legs were so swollen, I had cankles. 45 minutes later in the RecoveryPump and the lower leg swelling was gone. You can keep debating all you want, and I'll be sitting here in my boots recovering!

Pat

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]
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Bob,

I am not exactly sure what the retail price is for NormaTec, but it's around $4-5k, I believe. Recovery Pump is $1195. Regarding logistics and size, they are similar; however, there are some key differences:

1) Recovery Pump is much easier to get in and out of - there is a zipper on the top that allows for super easy entry/ exit. Norma is not difficult, but it's more difficult to get into/ out of. than RP.
2) Recovery Pump is a smaller unit, and is really quite easy to travel with. The NormaTec comes in a handy case, so you can travel with it, but it is bulkier and, therefore, more of a challenge/ hindrance to travel with. The Recovery Pump boots fold up a bit more tightly than NormaTec, so they pack more easily, too.
3) NormaTec has a timer which is really nice, so it clicks off when you are done compressing; Recovery Pump will pump for as long as you want, so you have to watch the clock!
4) From an appearance standpoint, Recovery Pump looks like product you might find in a hospital (since it is), whereas NormaTec has a bit more of a polished and high-tech look. As we know, polished and shiny tend to sell a bit better to the general consumer (in our sport as well as in the NFL, etc.).

I'm sure I can think of more similarities and differences, but this should get you started.

Michael
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I agree with ML that the NORMATEC may look more high-tech, but what are looks worth in comparison to results? If the system is used in hospitals, doesn't that attest to its ability? The sequential compression moves the waste up and up and out of the legs, compared to the peristaltic form where the waste is squeezed out, but then has a chance to move back to the area during the decompression. I have the RecoveryPump system, and I've seen recovery results following the first few uses of it. There's no better feeling of finishing a 4 hour event at high intensity, using the RecoveryPump system, and feeling just as ready to head out the door and back to training the day after. The system works. And at far less of a price than NORMATEC system, RecoveryPump proves it's worth times over.
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I am also using the Recovery Pump Boots. They are amazing! I sometimes have to make deals with myself to take them off!

While I know I could probably benefit from using them more frequently, I find myself using them after every run and ride, time permitting. They have definitely helped me recover more quickly and my legs feel fresh more quickly when used as recommended.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts once you get them!

MJ Slikas
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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For me, I personally find that $4000. is a pretty obscene amount of money to pay for a device that aids in recovery, when rest a good old ice bath, and massage will do the same thing for free.
That being said I do use a recovery pump, and can tell you that it's AWESOME......and from a cost perspective it much more manageable!
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That's good to hear.
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Mtntriathlete wrote:
when rest a good old ice bath, and massage will do the same thing for free!

There's actually some evidence out there that cold therapy (aka ice baths) are a bad thing for training. If you have inflammation from a sprain/break/strain/etc., then of course ice can help. But there's some evidence now that part of the process of "increasing fitness" is your body's response to inflammation. I.e., the compensation part of training load response is, it now seems, at least partly due to the presence of inflammatory stress which training creates. If you artificially remove that stress with an ice bath, you can limit the body's compensatory response. You'd be better off just allowing your body the time it needs rather than artificially shortening your recovery time with ice. That's part of why devices like the NormaTec & RecoveryPump are superior to ice - because they are basically supporting what your body does naturally. That is, in fact, the specific design of the NormaTec and part of why it was designed to function the way it was. I'll have to dig around to find the article. A quick googling didn't yield it; though it did yield a reference by a coach on letsrun to the same article, but of course without a link. Anyway, something to consider.

Secondly, and this is more of a question because I'd love to know, where do you get massage for free?


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I have been using Recovery Pump Boots for almost a month now and I can honestly say that they work. My legs feel so much more fresh for all sessions after using the boots prior to a workout and 30min before a run. I am being completely honest when I say that they have been working for me. The customer service is also great. I love my recovery pump boots and will continue to use them as they are proving to be a huge benefit for my training and recovery.
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for you Eastern PA and NJ peeps, Recovery Pump is planning an educational talk / demo day in Bethlehem PA on June 7, 2011 at 7:00pm. PM me for more details.


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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OK, Ive got a good idea of the difference of these two products.

But what about Game Ready as one poster added as an alternative? It obviously adds cold therapy but how does it compare in total as a recovery product compared to NormaTec and Rec Pump? Both in function and price wise?

Jonas
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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"That's part of why devices like the NormaTec & RecoveryPump are superior to ice - because they are basically supporting what your body does naturally."




If you're artificially enhancing the recovery process how is that really different than icing, as far as training adaptations go?
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c.dan.jog wrote:
"That's part of why devices like the NormaTec & RecoveryPump are superior to ice - because they are basically supporting what your body does naturally."




If you're artificially enhancing the recovery process how is that really different than icing, as far as training adaptations go?

It has to do with how each system works. The modalities are totally different. "Recovery" is not one thing. And things can affect your "recovery" in a multitude of ways. For reasons that are not yet fully understood, cold therapy seems to have quite a profound effect on certain elements of your body's stress response. Some of the effects may end up adversely affecting what an athlete wants in response to stress. The NormaTec and Recovery Pump each work in different ways, but both are reasonably similar in how they work. And how they work is totally different than ice.


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You know what always struck me as sort of ironic or interesting in this whole conversation is some of the lack of follow through.

Now being someone who works in a hospital, as well as involved with government grants (to the tune of $250M a year) research can be subjective, and very often just because you see more studies, is not necessarily a function of a better product or method, but can be the case of how long something has been around.

Now before getting into too much detail, one should know that the Recovery Pump product has been a while for quite some time. It is in fact, if you look at the device, "The Petite Basic System" model 701A if you want to get more specific. It offers sequential compression. That is is, and retails for around $1299 as a MSRP from the actual manufacturer. (Recovery Pump just sticks a label on a product that you can in fact find cheaper from medical device companies if you go direct)

Now what also got me interested is the company that makes the Recovery Pump device itself, does offer a version that incorporates Peristaltic wave compression as well. That would be the model 1201 "The Optimal" as it is called. The price on that unit which offers Peristaltic compression lists for $7399. The "Optimal" also is able to offer 10 mmHg more of variable pressure than the "Basic" version. Sort of funny how the more expensive version also offers Peristaltic compression.

I also have seen the fallacy posted that "more pressure" is better. Or that since you get more compression over time with the full sequential boots, those are better. Actually a lot of studies regarding Lymphedema conclude that lower pressure for longer periods of time are more effective that higher pressure for shorter periods of time. What the "recovery pump" recreates is the physiologic "milking" of the lymphatics by manipulation of the extremities. Initial studies in the legs actually started at around 150 mmHg compared to what is out there now which covers a 20 - 80 mmHg for the Recovery Pump or 20 - 90 mmHg for the Normatec products.

If you would like some light reading, perhaps McLeod, Brooks and Hale "A clinical report on the use of three external pneumatic compression devices in the management of lymphedema in a pediatric population." Physiother Cancer. 1991, Goldstein and Lesher "Treatment of lymphedema with a multicompartimental pneumatic compression device" Jour Am Acad Dermatol. 1989, or TF O'Donnell has several studies from the 80s and early 90s.

What I also understand is the $4500 Normatec MVP product is completely programmable which will be similar to the "Optimal" product that goes for $7400. The way I always viewed it is that the peristaltic waves helped massage the areas which will also help in flushing.

Someone compared it to Ford Fusion versus Mercedes... I look at it more like VHS (rp) versus Blu-Ray.

I am still in the process of research, but looking at the two companies, what I see is one took a product that has been around for 30 years and just repackaged it where the other came from someone who used that product, saw there was a better, more effective way of doing it, and then created it.

I think regardless, both products will help. I also saw that Normatec will becoming down with a less customized, basic version, which will basically be in line with the pricing of the RP product, which is jacked up quite a bit.

For the record. I used the RP product over two days at Quassy and liked it. I think it is a great use of the old technology in a new market. I have not used the Normatec product yet, definitely cannot afford my budget wise the MVP product, but am eager to see their basic model which supposedly will be coming out soon. I do know what little research I have done, I am more excited about the peristaltic wave for increasing the blood flow to flush toxics than the sequential squeeze
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Some thoughts....

1) In essence the entire "recovery clothing" category owes itself to the research done on lymphedema patients. So, what vendors are doing is merely taking old, possiblty dated thinking and research on lymphedema and applying it to a new population, the endurance athlete.

2) Simply because something is called "recovery" doesn't make it so......Case in point, I was at a focus group recently and a vendor was showing some prototype "compression wear" and was talking about how the marketing would play up the benefits of compression. When I asked about whether it had a graduated nature and other aspects, I was blown off. When I persisted I asked point blankly "There is compression that is medical grade and there are products that are merely tight fitting, it seems you are the latter, correct?" They agreed to a degree and then went on to point out the awesome colorways they'll have available.

3) With price points betwen $8000 and $1300, the question of benefit exists to the consumer much like wheels and bikes. Absent of any other recovery method, is the $8000 product better than the $1300 one? Or, more precisely, what is the advantage (Again, absent any other product usage) of the $8000 product and what will it do better?

4) Given that the $8000 product is arguable better, the question of the $1300 product's sufficiency is preeminent. In other words, for the weekend warrior or athlete, will the $1300 product be sufficient to allow them to recover from workouts better and race at a higher level? The answer to this is fairly subjective and can, I assume, only be answered with a small group study.

So, in short, I am intrigued by the price point of the Recovery Pump, but whether or not it'll be better than a foam roller and Epsom Salts is my nagging fear.

Bob



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]
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Some great points there Bob.

Definitely the idea of compression clothing or machines to aid in recovery has been a great extended use of treatments. Thankfully others saw the potential benefit and we all have been helped I think in general.

Definitely agree as well that just because something compresses, does not mean it is beneficial or will actually help someone "recover".

Someone had pointed out about athletes using Normatec and that RP was new and just starting to market. That is true in someways, but one also has to understand that the Recovery Pump product has been around for a LONG TIME. A really long time. The Recovery Pump people used to sell the product as a medical device in its old usage for Lymphederma patients etc. They just figured why not market it to athletes. But by the same token, that is not necessarily all good and wonderful. While "Recovery Pump" as a company is new, the device they sell has been in hospitals and other places with a different label a decade or more.

Let me give you an example. Lets say I work for Joe's Grocery Supply and one of the products I carry is Ensure. I sell it for $5/a pack of 4 to super markets who price it at $8.00. I then get the idea, "Hey, this would be AWESOME for athletes!" I create a company or rebrand it, throw a new label on the Ensure and call it Choco-Iron and then sell it to TriShops at $12/a 4 pack. Now if you know what is what, and that it is the exact same formula, you can still buy it in grocery stores... Or you can get it at a TriShop for a lot more... This is pretty much what has happened with the "Petite Basic System". Been repackaged... It is the same as is sold in other channels just with a different name... and a different price.

My point on prices was a little misunderstood, but let me take a step back and make my point better.

One product that is out there sells for around $1200 introductory price... It uses old tech which is sequential compression. The SAME COMPANY that makes the BASIC product also makes a BETTER VERSION called the Optimal. The Optimal also includes peristaltic compression and sells for $7400. There is another company that sells a product for around $5K that is the peristaltic version. Discussion has been going on as to the price and which is better and others saying that not only is the $1200 cheaper, but it is better tech? Is it?? When the same company that sells the $1200 sells a top model for $7400 that includes the compression of the $5000 model.

Now what most have not mentioned is that the $7400 and $5000 models are highly programmable. Both allow to customize the chambers, do different programming etc. What is also not mentioned is that the Normatec product allows for GRADIENT Compression. That means you can set the pressure and as it moves up the leg it lessens. This has been shown in sequential compression to be much more beneficial. Similarly, the Normatec does Sequential compression, it just releases a chamber or two below as it goes up which much more closely replicates a "flow" as opposed to a "Milking" Also note, the "Plus" and "Mini" version of the product that Recovery Pump carries are $9000 and $7000. The Plus product also has a peristaltic wave option. So when trying to decide which is "better" or "more effective" the same company that makes the product that Recovery Pump relabels, sells better versions that are pricier and feature peristaltic compression.

It is also good to note that Normatec is coming out with a pared down version. It will allow less customization. My understanding is that the MVP can be hooked up to a computer and have custom routines done, so what you will get with this over the counter model is one that is less customizable, but still has the peristaltic wave compression. Price target wise should be in the same ballpark of $1500 or so. I did read that this was supposed to be out last year, for the Tour de France but they got hit badly with the floods we had in Mass an got set back to the point where FEMA and EPA were in their site because of the water.

Part of what NormaTec is doing as well is going through all the hoops with the FDA and trying to get this to be an Over The Counter device... just like how you can walk in and buy compression socks. So right now there is the MVP product that is $4000+, but they have a more economical version coming out which should not only be in the right price point with the Recovery Pump, but actually should be better tech and might get the prices where they should be.

From my limited usage of the product(Recovery Pump), I felt very good afterward. Just like I am waiting on the Metrigear product because it is best suited to my needs, I don't mind waiting a little bit to see what comes with the OTC Normatec version of their MVP product. Should be interesting. They are a local company, and only a few miles from my hospital, so I definitely will be trying to meet up, give their version of boots a try and then be able to have a better idea.

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Great post.


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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Great forum. I can say for sure I've seen and heard great benefits from both recovery pump and normatec. I used the recovery pump for 1 1/2 months as a trial run before opting to invest in some Normatec's based on what a lot of Maui5150 said. I can add some great insight. After starting http://www.allsportsrecovery.com 2 1/2 months ago, I invested in many normatec stations and recovery pump stations to offer a one low rate, to use either product unlimited. After 120 members and over 900 visits in one month to our center which also houses cold lasers w/tens, ice baths, inversion table, vibration, ems units, portable ultrasound and more, I can hands down without a doubt say more people prefer the normatec to the recovery pump. You can clearly try out both here and go back and forth. More world class athletes and Olympic caliber athletes that come into our center prefer the norma's over the RP, i would say 95% do, and the biggest reason they use the RP is because we fill norma's before RP, the client chooses to. It's hard to hear the facts from sponsored athletes by these products, but i would say from experience and hearing what people like, Normatec hands down. Are there difference's b/w the two? Yes. Do some prefer the RP? Yes. Are norma's more expensive? Yes, but you get what you pay for and the innovation speaks for itself. Hope this helps, we are growing fast. Cheers
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [trimassage] [ In reply to ]
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Sweet business. I was just talking to a couple in the Boston area who have a massage business about doing something similar as well as they could get the arm sleeves and recover after a long day too. I think the price is a big factor to some, but again it is like comparing a top end performance BMW to an entry level Civic and when you really start understanding the differences you start seeing more of what you are paying for.

Big game changer is going to be when NormaTec can cut through the FDA red tape and get their basic model available without a prescription. Will not be as programmable/customizable as their current MVP Product, but price will be same ball park as RP and I think an overall higher level of feature set and benefits. I can say hands down I love the NormaTec MVP without question to what I have seen so far in that niche of the market, and even bringing in some of the Compex, Marc Pro and other stimulation recovery products that fit the electric/pneumatic/mechanical area.

I can understand why so many Olympic or Professional athletes and teams have jumped on the NormaTec band wagon

For my level and abilities it is hard to justify the top level NormaTec, but when their basic model is available. No question. Heck, I was close to being sold on the Recovery Pump product when I tried them at Quassy and was thinking of them as a fall purchase before I learned about and experienced the NormaTec MVP and started understanding the history of the products, the evolution, benefits and differences, etc.

I will even go so far and say that though I have been jonesing for a powermeter as well, I will probably go NormaTec first. I have been debating on a used SRM which makes a little more sense to my needs than the PowerTap solution, was really stoked about the potential of the Garmin Vector, but once the Vector got into the same neighborhood... The benefit justifications became interesting. I think for me at least, I see a bigger benefit of being able to train harder and more efficiently and "improve my engine" as well as decrease the potential for injury, by having a better recovery, than just measuring and targeting and improving my bike with a powermeter. To me at least, the NormaTec boots and HR Zone training will allow me to push my legs more on the bike and the run a lot more than just focusing on training with a powermeter. I also can do some of that powermeter work on my Computrainer, so even reduces my need for a powermeter more.

Best of luck with your business. I am hoping to see more similar stations pop up in my area to tide me over until the new NormaTec product gets here
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mta] [ In reply to ]
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Recovery Pump and Normatec are both good products. However, both are based compression pump technology that has been around for years. In fact the Recovery pump is basically the LymphaPress Brand, model Petite basic System http://www.lympha-press.com/...te-basic-system.html with another name slapped on it. You can buy comparable less expensive pumps all over the internet. http://compressiontreatment.com/ or http://www.twhealth24.info/...-walkbeyond-com.html or http://www.panasonicmassagers.com/...siontherapyspec.html. The last one is only 499.00 and I love it.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone figured out a way to DIY a set of these for less than $500?

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [actionman] [ In reply to ]
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Just out of interest have you tried the Normatec or Recovery Pump and if so how did they compare to the product you own?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, let's throw Podium Legs in there for $600. Any thoughts?

My first thought is that Podium Legs does not go all the way down to your feet/ankles. This is, perhaps, a really stupid question, but, wouldn't that cause some of the "fluid" to go down to your feet rather than up your leg? How do you prevent swelling in the feet/ankles?

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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AllSports (http://allsportsrecovery.com/) origionally carried both Recovery Pump and NormaTec. After a few months, they went with NormaTec MVP after amateur and elite clients overwhelmingly said it was better.

The place is awesome. I can use NormaTec, Cold Laser, Ultrasound, Ice Bath, and Free 15-min massage every day for a $59/mo.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [actionman] [ In reply to ]
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do you have the lx7 version of the Doctor's Life compression sleeves? do they go far enough up your thigh? how tall are you?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [pchampagne] [ In reply to ]
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We have been using the NormaTec MVP PRO for quite some time now and just posted a 3 part review. http://tribomb.com/review.php?ID=132 It includes a sneak peak of the scaled down MVP unit coming in 2012. And yes, we have the Recovery Pump unit as well. A review on that will be coming soon.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [runshoe] [ In reply to ]
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The Water Street Gym in Washington, D.C. also has two pairs of the Normatec MVP boots available for use.

If anybody's interested in knowing more feel free to PM me.

(Since I'm already shamelessly plugging, why not... massages, physical therapy and Computrainers are also available.)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
Ok, let's throw Podium Legs in there for $600. Any thoughts?

My first thought is that Podium Legs does not go all the way down to your feet/ankles. This is, perhaps, a really stupid question, but, wouldn't that cause some of the "fluid" to go down to your feet rather than up your leg? How do you prevent swelling in the feet/ankles?

http://www.podiumcycling.com/...ir-compression-pants

I am interested in these as well. There was a photo of these posted in this thread that got removed. They are significantly less expensive and if they perform even 80% as well could be a competitive option. But I can't find anybody that can give an unbiased opinion. Every review has come from a sponsored source. I'd be interested if there was anyone who was an end user that had feedback. Especially if they had also used either the Normatec or the Recovery Pump.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [vikingmd] [ In reply to ]
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I love my Podium Legs! Ive used NormaTec MVP, honestly Id say the work the same as NormaTec. There are just less settings, ie less massage options. This is not a bad thing however, you can still get a light massage, or target certain muscles or get a deep flush. Plenty of options still!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [AVSfan] [ In reply to ]
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AWESOME DEAL on Podium Legs, I just got mine! I used the code as I saw on a post "BENNETT" and saved even more money! :) Im excited to try these!

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [SRcoaching] [ In reply to ]
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Is the Normatec MVP boot the one that Dr. Lim was using with the Garmin team at the Tour a few years ago?

I remember doing a write-up on such a contraption and the recovery ice vests on the weight weenies site but that was a few years ago and cannot find the thread.

I'll tell you this-I remember calling someone about this and the retail price was about $6,000 US and a doctor's prescription was needed. For some reason they sold the same models to professional teams but charged them $9,000 US.

The Normatec may or may not be superior, but the price puts it out of the range of most average weekend warriors. Just try to sneak such an expenditure past the wife and see how long it takes for you to be in the doghouse sleeping next to Rover.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Berzin] [ In reply to ]
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All in all these boots are great for recovery. They all offer very good results . For me the the cost of the equipment was very important. Quite a few companies are on the internet selling these products. For 799.00 and a two year warrenty on the machine and sleeves I choose to go with a pump from http://www.sportpump.net/.. I also have very short legs SportPump was able to fit me to my exact size with many different sizes available. SportPump accepted 2 payments which made the purchase alot more attractive. Just another option .
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I am biased against Recovery Pump, because at a big race I actually overheard on of their Reps talk smack about NormaTech. He was telling folks in a race expo that NormaTech offers the same technology but asks for a lot more money. He also made some other smartass comments about NormaTech.

If it is the same stuff, why is the company who makes the Recovery Pump a model that is even pricier than NormaTech?

Also NormaTech has developed their own technology while Recovery Pump just rebadges the product of another company, and jumped on the triathlon bandwagon after NormaTech.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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And I don't have either pump, nor am I in the market for one. And I am not sponsored by either brand, ST doesn't get ad dollars from either, and none of the brands is or was my marketing client. :-)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [timmythompson] [ In reply to ]
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Most all of these are used and have been used for years in the medical field. Just google lymphadema pumps. The norma-tec is marketing to sports using their own technology and they all sell on the medical side. Recover pump and Sports Pump are both rebadged and rebranded. Nothing wrong with that but do your research and see what works for you. I have a lymphapress petite Model 701 that I bought off of Craigs list for $250 which is the same as the recovery pump. The Sports pump is the Bio Compression brand, these can be picked up pretty cheaply as well.



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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [vikingmd] [ In reply to ]
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X2 i am interested in these too,

i don't have deep pockets so these might be a good choice for me

Darryl
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [runitaly] [ In reply to ]
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Is Sport Pump identical to Recovery Pump? Sport Pump looks to be a few hundred dollars cheaper.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mcnocera] [ In reply to ]
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If you're in the market, the cheaper Normatec MVP is now out. Just got mine last week. I'm pretty impressed. An hour a day after IMCDA and my muscles felt perfect by Wednesday, no soreness/weakness etc. I've never bounced back that quickly. Too bad they don't make a version to recover training motivation that quickly...
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mcnocera] [ In reply to ]
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SportsPump should be cheaper, as well as PodiumLegs and Recovery Pump.

These are all re-labeled products.

RecoveryPump has been out for decade plus and is the LymphaPress Petit Basic System. Podium Legs is imported from Korea I believe and is pretty much the MaxStar UAM-8000 and SportsPump is the BioCompression SC-2004 (and their Ice version is the BioCryo)

NormaTec is the only one of these companies that is the actual designer and manufacturer of their devices, and like RecoveryPump is FDA approved for over the counter sales. Will not name names, but some companies out there did not go through getting FDA clearance so a reason why they are cheaper is less overhead, but also means they can risk fines or not being around if you need warranty work.

Build and quality on the NormaTecs is hands down best of the lot, as well as their compression technology much better... in short, the boots all first co through a calibration process that measures pressure, so if you have one person with thing legs and another with large legs, they will get the same amount of compression, where with other boots that is not the case, so if you have larger calves say, and you want to work your quads, in some of the other boots, you will be putting your calves in a vice to get the solid work on the quads.

The new NormaTec boots also have reduced volume compared to their Pro model, making them less bulky, as well as zippered legs for easy on and off.

For disclosure sake, I do own a pair or the NormaTec MVP (new model) which I purchased, as well as have been a long time fan. I have considered them the best boots on the market for the last year plus when I started learning about them, but I also like many, went through the cost-benefit analysis. I actually had made a purchase of one of the cheaper models listed, had a phenomenal deal on it, and canceled the order before taking the delivery and paid more to get the NormaTecs after trying them again at Rev3 Knoxville.

The newer and more basic model of the NormaTec puts them much more in line with some of the other models, but you get what you pay for. To me the biggest factors were:

1) Not being ripped off on a jacked up price. I call this the Lake Placid effect (i.e. if you go through a medical wholesaler, you can get the other devices cheaper, but once they are "marketed" to athletes, the price goes up

2) An active company making improvements. Laura Jacobs, the founder of NormaTec worked with the LymphaPress Petit Basic System, saw the need for improvements in the device back in the 90s and when she could not get LymphaPress to make the changes, she started her own company. NormaTec could have just taken their medical devices and relabeled them like other companies do, but instead they started tailoring them to the sports market by making higher quality materials, making them more portable, and even spending a lot of time making the compressor more quiet.

3) Quality materials and manufacturing. NormaTec makes their devices, and specificially made improvements to them in creating athlete focused devices

4) Calibration - This is perhaps the biggest feature. The boots will measure my legs and give me the same compression as someone else with completely different physical characteristics. No other company in the space does this. So I set my boots for 6 or 7, that will be the same as anyone else regardless of legs. Using say Recovery Pump with my large legs, I might have to go down two settings and even there, to work my quads, my calves would get wrenched.

5) Equal compression. Normatec will inflate each chamber equally through a cycle. In most other boots out there, your feet will get 4 - 5 times the compression as your quads. In the Normatec. Chamber 1 inflates, than 2, then 1 deflates and 3 inflates, then 2 deflates and 4 inflates, etc. NormaTec also has the Peristaltic Pulse which means the main chamber goes through a pulse cycle increasing the pumping and flow and more closely mimics the lymphatic system.

You can make what ever comparison you want - Carbon fiber frame to steel frame, race wheels versus training wheels: The NormaTec
MVP is a little more expensive than some of the other products out there, but you get a lot more. To be honest, I look at some of the other products that are out there and I cringe; that was why I canceled my other order... I thought about what I was buying, putting my legs in there and then compared to the NormaTecs I had just been using... and in the end, I spent more, but to me it was worse to cut the corner and then have to justify every time how much I saved when all I would have been thinking was how much better the NormaTecs felt.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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My name is Chris and I am one of the owners of SportPump. I have provided compression pumps for twelve years, mostly in the medical community but also to athletes as well. The SportPump brand is based on the proven technology of BioCompression Systems and has been used on athletes for years with great success. Top triathletes Angela Naeth and Ben Hoffman are currently using the system. You can see what they have to say by visiting our website - http://www.sportpump.com. Our mission is to provide a quality product that is affordable, durable, and made in the USA. But most of all, effective! I welcome all questions and comments.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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Where can you get a price? The normatecsport site isn't very descriptive at all, just asks you to fill out a preorder form.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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Where did you order them from "cheaper Normatec MVP"...can't find anything online.

Thanks!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [renolaw] [ In reply to ]
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renolaw wrote:
If you're in the market, the cheaper Normatec MVP is now out. Just got mine last week. I'm pretty impressed. An hour a day after IMCDA and my muscles felt perfect by Wednesday, no soreness/weakness etc. I've never bounced back that quickly. Too bad they don't make a version to recover training motivation that quickly...

Where did you buy it from? If you don't mind, what are they going for?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [bwain] [ In reply to ]
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I emailed Normatec directly and they sent me info on the new MVP (scaled down version of the MVP Pro) and the pricey MVP Pro. The price for the MVP was around $1500, and you pay for them on the site (http://www.normatecrecovery.com/) which isn't totally live yet. Normatec was great to work with, I bought them 2 days before leaving for CDA and they overnighted them to my hotel so they were waiting for me.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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Other thing I forgot to add... I have been researching these devices and companies for a little over a year now...

The big selling point, and one of the major signs of quality are the pro and others who use / purchase the devices. So when I see NBA players like Kevin Garnett, Lebron James, pro footballers, cyclists, olympians, etc.. you look at the top performers and teams who are out there, and consistently I see the NormaTec Pro boots (also mainly because the MVPs really just came out)

Now granted, the Pro model is a little pricier, but also tells me that the people who are at the top and pinnacle of their fields and can chose close to anything they want for training and recovery devices, I see the NormaTec models in their hands and not the others.

Look at the US Olympic Team? Whose recovery devices will they be using? I know in the past it has been NormaTec and imagine that will continue. Thought I heard something at the Quassy tent something ridiculous like 150 pairs of the NormaTecs were heading over to the London games with the US Team. I know from the past few seasons of the Tour de France, when I have seen pictures of riders recovering, I have seen the NormaTec boots and not the Recovery Pumps.

Always nice to have options, and I am grateful to all the companies out there who help athletes perform and improve.

Took me a LONG time to decide. First pair I ever used was the Recovery Pumps and after that a long road of trying the others, researching and then weighing the cost benefit. For me I made the right choice and have not looked back.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mcnocera] [ In reply to ]
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The NormaTec MVPs are somewhere around $1600 and I think do some slightly better deals at the race venues.

I was giving them some grief on the website at Quassy... They used to have a bigger site up with Crowie on it, etc. and was told that they had taken the site down during the FDA approval process.

The basic model pretty much just came out this month. I believe Rev 3 Quassy was their first unveiling so I imagine you will start seeing a lot more literature, website, etc. in the near future.

I don't think the MVP model official launch has happened yet, but models have started to make their way out into the field and think they are just making sure on the feedback, etc.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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This thread has had a lot of great info and anecdotes put out there, but here's a quick update regarding current market options, since many of the previous posts mention now incorrect information regarding Rx's and pricing, etc.


  • Normatec (http://www.normatecrecovery.com/) Just went live with a new website like today, they have their MVP model available for $1650, no Rx needed. There is also a Pro model that needs a Rx.

These are still the two main options to choose from, and I can't decide for myself. (As for others, podium legs site has been down for weeks so I'm guessing that's done and sport pump I cannot take seriously.)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Rappstar wrote:
Mtntriathlete wrote:
when rest a good old ice bath, and massage will do the same thing for free!


There's actually some evidence out there that cold therapy (aka ice baths) are a bad thing for training. If you have inflammation from a sprain/break/strain/etc., then of course ice can help. But there's some evidence now that part of the process of "increasing fitness" is your body's response to inflammation. I.e., the compensation part of training load response is, it now seems, at least partly due to the presence of inflammatory stress which training creates. If you artificially remove that stress with an ice bath, you can limit the body's compensatory response. You'd be better off just allowing your body the time it needs rather than artificially shortening your recovery time with ice. That's part of why devices like the NormaTec & RecoveryPump are superior to ice - because they are basically supporting what your body does naturally. That is, in fact, the specific design of the NormaTec and part of why it was designed to function the way it was. I'll have to dig around to find the article. A quick googling didn't yield it; though it did yield a reference by a coach on letsrun to the same article, but of course without a link. Anyway, something to consider.

Secondly, and this is more of a question because I'd love to know, where do you get massage for free?

Well I do not know about free, but I do not need all these silly systems you guys are talking about right now, because everyday after I ride my bike a million miles I have a thai woman walk up and down my legs for like $5/hour... and I swear to god I'm stronger than jens voigt the next day and normatec or whatever has nothing on thai feet. So answer to your question.... thailand.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [sedated] [ In reply to ]
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sedated wrote:
This thread has had a lot of great info and anecdotes put out there, but here's a quick update regarding current market options, since many of the previous posts mention now incorrect information regarding Rx's and pricing, etc.


  • Normatec (http://www.normatecrecovery.com/) Just went live with a new website like today, they have their MVP model available for $1650, no Rx needed. There is also a Pro model that needs a Rx.

These are still the two main options to choose from, and I can't decide for myself. (As for others, podium legs site has been down for weeks so I'm guessing that's done and sport pump I cannot take seriously.)

I would not be so quick to diss SportsPump. While I am partial to NormaTec, they are selling the BioCompression SC-2004 and BioCryo which are FDA approved devices sold in the United States. The Podium Legs... Any searches and references I found always go to Asia, so I am not sure if their status.

That being said, the Podium Legs are around $600 and what you are getting is pretty much what you get with the Recovery Pump... Both are very basic systems, both offer sequential compression by which the feet get more overall compression than the quads, and I would put the build quality along the same lines. The LymphaPress Petit Basic System (RecoveryPump) has been around for over a decade.

I think the BioCompression Boots are a little better build quality than the Recovery Pump ones.

If I were to rank them, the NormaTec Pro is the best one on the market. LymphaPress does have some other comparable model that likewise sell in a similar price range, so their price for what they offer is not exaggerated. Some of the LymphaPress offerings are much more expensive in fact.

The NormaTec MVP is the best of both worlds. The compression pump is quiet as hell. You really hear the air more than the pump, and again, I love the calibration, build quality, and like their form of phased sequential compression with the pulse.

I would probably look at SportsPump next. I don't really like the compression or lack of features, and think their model is too cut back, but price and build are better than Recovery Pump.

Podium Legs I would put at 4th. Not sure if they are still around or whether they will still be around because I don't think they went through the FDA process... but if you are going to buy cheap boots and cheap pump, you should pay a cheap price. Podium Legs are about half the Recovery Pump and all things considered, outside of price they are very similar.

I can't justify RecoveryPump. I almost went through a medical wholesaler, and you can find the Petit basic system cheaper. The technology is old, and when you really start looking at what is out there and available, there are other cheaper options. I don't like their compression, or the compression of PodiumLegs or SportsPump, and find it uneven

Everyone has their own decisions or values / Cost Benefit to weigh, just be warned, you slip into the NormaTecs a few times, it is almost impossible to slip into the other offerings without feeling cheap and dirty.

Just an opinion. But the was the exact visceral reaction I had. I had purchased another boot pre-Rev3 Knoxville, and after getting back into the NormaTecs, then next day plus when I would see ads or images of the other products, I just thought.. "Yeah... NO!" and called and cancelled and went NormaTec.

Been there. Done that. Tried the justifying the cheaper price, and grateful for the fact that my first purchase was back ordered. No regrets
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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just my .2...I used NormaTech MVP...the base level unit, at Rev3 WI Dells. They had a tent set up and had an open sport when I finished the race. I was zipped up and getting compressed maybe 5 min post race/ This is after 3100ft climbing ont he bike and a hilly run. I have to say the normaTech felt great while pumping and days after I was surprisingly less sore int he legs than anytime after a HIM. I'm thinking about shelling out the $1600 bones for a unit...just wish it was closer to that $1000 price point of the Recoverypump
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [waupaca11] [ In reply to ]
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waupaca11 wrote:
just my .2...I used NormaTech MVP...the base level unit, at Rev3 WI Dells. They had a tent set up and had an open sport when I finished the race. I was zipped up and getting compressed maybe 5 min post race/ This is after 3100ft climbing ont he bike and a hilly run. I have to say the normaTech felt great while pumping and days after I was surprisingly less sore int he legs than anytime after a HIM. I'm thinking about shelling out the $1600 bones for a unit...just wish it was closer to that $1000 price point of the Recoverypump

+1- I used them at Rev3 Dells and WOW what a difference just riding home 2 hours and actually getting out and training the next day. I am with you- the price is killing me but still trying to find a way to justify them (to the wife especially)
May have to look into the "other" models now just to see what else is out there, thanks for the info from everyone else.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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Normatec sure seems like an awesome product, but I wish they could be a little bit cheaper. Sadly, for us mortal without sponsorship they is some cheaper option around that, even if they are not as good, would probably do the trick.

I would be interested in reading a study that could prove me that paying twice the price is worth it.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [rlejeune] [ In reply to ]
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Google "sequential compression device", amazon has a 4 chamber full leg for $ 379. This is old medical technology, but I bet it wold give you the vast majority of the recovery benefits- my reading of the medical literature suggests one would need very little pressure (30-40mm HG) to see the best femoral artery blood flow (which suggests to me increased recovery possibilities). At some point I will take a shot with $400 and color it some sporty colors :)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [tridad3] [ In reply to ]
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tridad3 wrote:
Google "sequential compression device", amazon has a 4 chamber full leg for $ 379.

I looked into that one and gave up after discovering it has limited leg choices and concluding they were too short for me. I believe they were 30" max.

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This is old medical technology, but I bet it wold give you the vast majority of the recovery benefits-

(Not targeted at you tridad, but more generally)

I'm still surprised and disappointed that everyone assumes that the "old technology" is worse, based on some combination of NormatTec's marketing, and the fact that some famous people are using it. There are numerous medical studies showing that the old style sequential compression devices are effective for various medical conditions. I've yet to find any medical studies showing that Normatec's technology is superior.

Normatec's site (and quite honestly, Rappstar's posts above, which even contain factual errors) have more marketing fluff than substance:
- It uses "old technology" as a negative term, implying anything new must be better
- Uses the fact that it's patented to imply efficacy, which is crap (you can patent bad ideas.. they just must be new)
- It's invented by a PhD - therefore the technology must be awesome?

It's also a potentially misleading description: Their writeup originally lead me to believe that NormaTec invented and patented peristaltic compression (where only 2 or 3 chambers are compressed at one time). This is not true. There are other units that have been doing peristaltic compression for a while now. NormaTec's patent is based on adding in the pulsing action combined with peristaltic compression.

I would love to see a study comparing:
1) Sequential compression vs peristaltic compression
2) Peristaltic compression with and without NormaTec's pulsing

Until then, it would be nice not to see everyone be dazzled by marketing info and propagating the "newer must be better" mantra, whether due to being sponsored or otherwise. It very well could be better, but we don't know that for sure, and the lack of published comparative studies makes me at least somewhat skeptical. (If it exists and I missed it, send me a link?)

Their FDA status is also meaningless in terms of arguing efficacy. Technically they are only "FDA Cleared" which does not involve any testing for safety and efficacy, but simply arguing that the product is similar to a device that has already been approved. Here's an example post in the Lymphedema community that expresses concerns over Normatec's marketing and efficacy.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [matto] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with you. It is old, proven, effective technology (for medical issues) that I have not seen evidence, or am aware of, any "new" technology that is more effective. SCD (sequential compression devices) are the standard of care for preventing blood clots after surgery/trauma, improving lymphedema etc... Now how this translates to athletic recovery is more anecdotal (at least to me) at this stage, but appears to be positive. Given the proven medical benefits of increased blood flow/lymphatic movement I would anticipate it being an effective tool for recovery- as long as the price is right!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [tridad3] [ In reply to ]
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There are other newer cheaper pumps out. Just as effective, and some have more features.
Check out The RevitaPump at http://www.revitapump.com. Basic Model similar to Recovery Pump is $649. The Digital Model with 8 compression modes is $999.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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Another new player. I've been selling compression pumps for years. These pumps are actually USA made.

There are other newer cheaper pumps out. Just as effective, and some have more features.
Check out The RevitaPump at http://www.revitapump.com. Basic Model similar to Recovery Pump is $649. The Digital Model with 8 compression modes is $999.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [revitapump] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, you created a whole new login just to tell us that huh?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [revitapump] [ In reply to ]
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revitapump wrote:
Another new player. I've been selling compression pumps for years. These pumps are actually USA made.

There are other newer cheaper pumps out. Just as effective, and some have more features.
Check out The RevitaPump at http://www.revitapump.com. Basic Model similar to Recovery Pump is $649. The Digital Model with 8 compression modes is $999.

So why would I buy it from you, when I can get it from NeoMedic directly since it is their devices as well as it looks like I can get it off of Amazon cheaper?

In fact, the digital model is the the price of your basic.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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do any of these models cover the hams/glutes/hips areas?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [DC Pattie] [ In reply to ]
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Check out:

http://www.h-e-a-t.com/...lancer-pro-1033.html

These pumps have a "pants" garment that addresses your needs.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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 Maui5150, thanks for you imput.....the Normatec MVP is on my list of things to get. I wish I had them this moment too!!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [bad91] [ In reply to ]
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New to this forum - I discovered it as I was investigating recovery pumps. Has anyone tried a device called the Venowave? Its portable (battery-operated) but I'm not sure if it will generate the same pressure and pneumatic devices.
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doesnt include the glutes.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Maui5150] [ In reply to ]
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Recovery Pump is still on sale for $995, although more partial to the NormaTech. Hard to wrap my head around the additional $600. Anyone been using either lately?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Khai] [ In reply to ]
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Khai wrote:
Come on, Jordan - step up for NormaTec and have them ship me a demo unit for early June... I can guarantee HUGE exposure!

When you get the units rather than trying them and judging the effectiveness by how your legs feel, you should go a ve3ry scientific run test. Just shut your eyes and run for a while If you go in a circle then the faster leg obviously recovered better.

Styrrell
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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PSA:
I just ordered my Normatec MVP's from their site. . . the coupon code "Alexander12" is still good for $150 off and free shipping. . . .so $1495 shipped.

Thanks to this thread for dragging that dough out of me. I've got most of the boxes checked equipment and training wise. I sooo wanted to jump to the P5 this year but, bang for buck, I feel like developing my engine further is still the best investment. I already ride a well positioned P3, 808 FCs, quarq, etc so lets see what freshening up the legs does for me. My anesthesia job + 12k meters/pw Swim, 50 mpw BarryP, and 200 (building) quality riding is taking its toll.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mjcrna] [ In reply to ]
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Lordy lordy! I got my Normatecs...arrived approx. 5 days after ordering. Very easy to use right out of the box. Build quality is medical/commercial grade IMHO. The pulse technology is a winner for these boots over systems I've seen in healthcare. I've settled in on setting 5 (1-7, 7 strongest). My wife prefers 2 (girls lol). They are already making a difference. I even put them on after a long day of work... Game changers
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mjcrna] [ In reply to ]
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Looking for a pair of recovery boots if y'all have any for sale. Shoot me a PM. Thanks.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Rappstar] [ In reply to ]
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Not sure I want to choose everything Lance chooses...and I still like Lance -- but let's not open that can of worms (or did I just do that??)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [timryan] [ In reply to ]
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timryan wrote:
Not sure I want to choose everything Lance chooses...and I still like Lance -- but let's not open that can of worms (or did I just do that??)

Don't really care what you're eluding to. Just want some good recovery boots...that's all. No need to bring something irrelevant to this string of posts.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [mjcrna] [ In reply to ]
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Waiting for mine to be delivered today!
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [TgrsJon2007] [ In reply to ]
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Anywaaayyy....wasn't me that brought the subject up...sheesh...
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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I have used Podium Legs for over 6 months now and have sold several sets to both clients, PTs and sports medicine practices.
Look for them to get their FDA approval this spring, but in the until then - here is a great review on them by the Daily Peloton:

http://www.dailypeloton.com/...article.asp?pk=19730

And best yet, they retail for under $800!

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [runshoe] [ In reply to ]
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I've been tossing all these brands around for months, good information you're all putting out there peeps, thanks!!! keep it up!

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Normatec is by far the best product in the market. Not only the product is great but their customer service is unreal. I travel over 200,000 miles for work every year and I use the boots on the plane. It is amazing how I feel when I get off the plane. Not only I can train right away but most important I can get to work and feel fresh. Highly recommend Normatec. I used the Recovery pumps at an expo and the different between the 2 products was drastic. If money is an issue purchase the MVP version which cost about $1,650 similar to recovery pump. One last thing, remember how many professional athletes use Normatec and they all paid the full price for their equipment.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [rwurbina] [ In reply to ]
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I've been using the RevitaPump LX7. At only $529 the price was fair and it works great. www.revitapump.com. They have some "pants" garments coming out soon, and look forward to trying them. I have done my research. A friend of mine uses the PowerPress Digital Sequential Compression pump he purchased for under $700 on Amazon. Its not marketed to athletes, but essentially does the same thing as other "sports recovery pumps". The Recovery Pump, Sport Pump, and Normatec MVP are excellent products. But many of these devices are somewhat similar or rebranded from their medical version. There are various brands of 'pumps" all over Amazon.com. I also heard Podium Legs www.podiumlegs.com are decent and priced fairly, but they are waiting on FDA approval. I don't think you need to spend over a thousand dollars as long as the pump has at least 4 air segments, and inflates with a "sequential gradient" technology. I believe some of brands like the RevitaPump and PowerPress pumps both offer "regular" and "peristaltic" inflation options. So, you get the best of both arguments of Normatec vs. other brands. These in my opinion, are the key qualities. This is America, and its all about marketing. The only one claiming to be USA made is Sport Pump brand www.sportpump.com. Granted some brands may seem more heavy and substantial. But I think they mostly serve the same purpose and have similar warranties, with a few whistles and bells that may or not be worth the price. Some of the cheaper pumps actually have some cool programable feature and an extra garment to address the gluteaI muscles or "glutes". I think the higher prices of Recovery Pump, Normatec MVP, and Vessports pumps are up there because of the all the marketing and event sponsorships they may spend money on. Nothing wrong with that. Are the features and perceived quality justified? Maybe, but the internet allows us to find good alternatives to products. The same reason why Best Buy and Circuit City ran into problems with electronic comparison shopping online . Many of us love our sport, but are on a tight budget. I wanted to educate my fellow athletes with the options out there and maybe save some people money in these tough times.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [rwurbina] [ In reply to ]
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rwurbina wrote:
Normatec is by far the best product in the market. Not only the product is great but their customer service is unreal. I travel over 200,000 miles for work every year and I use the boots on the plane. It is amazing how I feel when I get off the plane. Not only I can train right away but most important I can get to work and feel fresh. Highly recommend Normatec. I used the Recovery pumps at an expo and the different between the 2 products was drastic. If money is an issue purchase the MVP version which cost about $1,650 similar to recovery pump. One last thing, remember how many professional athletes use Normatec and they all paid the full price for their equipment.

How do you use them on the plane?

Are you flying business class all the time? When mine are blown up they take up nearly the entire side of a king bed.

And then there is the power. I've never had a powerpoint on my flights.

I call BS but feel free to prove me wrong with a photo of you using them on a flight.



Rhymenocerus wrote:
I think everyone should consult ST before they do anything.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [PJC] [ In reply to ]
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Yes. I use them on the plane all the time. If you want to see a picture go to my twitter @rwurbina I do travel business class or first regularly so I can plug them on the plane. However I also have the battery pack that last about 3 hours
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [rwurbina] [ In reply to ]
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You know what is funny, you can get the same results, lying down, with your legs on the wall. This what an ITU / olympic athlete did when he stayed over my home...


http://www.coupleofathletes.com
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [rwurbina] [ In reply to ]
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Talk about travelling in style! Awesome ;-)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cortez] [ In reply to ]
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SportPump is Made in the USA(nj) . SportPump has a 3 year warranty on sleeves and machine. The results of these machines are well documented. It is the most used compression device among Doctors nationwide. The SportPump athletic cut sleeves offers the ability to use regular compression or cold compression(cryo Model). SportPump is fast becoming the choice of trainers and athletes all over the USA. Instead of filling machines with ice(game ready) and then compression pump for therapy.Trainers are using one device to save time. The amount of cold and duration can be adjusted to suit the athletes needs. SportPump has been tested and proven over 15 years in the medical arena. SportPump provides the best modality to reduce swelling and edema. If your looking for bells and whistles our pump is not for you . sportpump offers a reliable product with affordable attachments . At the end of the day a recovery session with SportPump will provide the same results as any of the higher priced pumps and a very well built well tested device. SportPump sleeves are cut to each customers specifications . We have talked to many people from this forum and would like to thank you for all the input . SportPump.com biocompression.com spectrumhealthcare.net . With SportPump you get 40 years of compression knowledge.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [DC Pattie] [ In reply to ]
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The RevitaPump sports recovery compression pump is only $529 and also is medical grade. They now also have some nice half pants garments to take care of your glutes and core. http://www.revitapump.com.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Bringing back this old thread....any new info from anyone. Opinions???? Anyone with experience as to how this compares with e-stim?

Thanks!

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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I recently juggled between the MVP boots and Recovery pump. After reading several threads, I decided to go with the MVP boots. I can definitely feel a difference as compared when I wasn't using the boots. I'm pleasantly surprised how much I recover after my tough workouts. My vote goes to normatech.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Been using my NormaTechs since Jan/ Feb? Use them about 5 days a week and really really happy I made the leap...love em.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the opinions....Anyone able to compare it to other recovery modalities???? Estim, ice baths, massage, etc?

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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I haven't done a comparison of MVP to estim - I have a Compex as well. So, it's a good idea for a head-to-head comparison. Looks like you have landed on the MVP - but in case you're looking for a side-by-side, I wrote a review on my blog earlier this month comparing the two.

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Joel0135] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Joel! I'll check it out. I haven't decided either way, but many prefer the Normatec it seems. I have a Globus e-stim, but was wondering if the boots would be more effective.....

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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Globus and compex are totally different from the 2 pumps.

I have used both globus and compex (bigger fan of compex due to ease of use) and have used normatecs and recovery pumps. I actually own recovery pumps, but that was before I tried the new normatecs. It's the difference between a 1980 ford escort and a 2013 Audi A7. Normatecs have more features and I feel do a better job massaging the legs and relieving stress and build up (I swear I feel the lactic acid being flushed out). The recovery pumps do a great job of reducing the swelling and help with blood circulation, but it is very straight forward. Each cell fills with air up the leg, then releases it all and starts again. The normatecs are programmed with specific sequences to help aide in recovery.

I'm considering the normatecs even though I own a recovery pump already.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [prattzc] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the great response! That sounds like much of what I'm hearing, but cost pretty much keeps me from Normatech. Save my money, or get cheaper....that's my dilemma. So recovery pumps are better than nothing?
Sell me yours!

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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [ggeiger] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, better than nothing. Search the forums here or ebay for used. Just buy new boots though, it can get sweaty from use.

For normatecs deals, Rapp has a 15% discount and if you do a rev3 event, you can probably strike a 25% discount with the reps there or any other event that normatecs is at their expo.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [westlake] [ In reply to ]
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I have the Recovery Pump but I really want the half pants to work upper quads and glutes. Does anyone know if the Revita Pump hoses and connections work with Recovery Pump? They look similiar.

I wish Recovery Pump would make a half pant.
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [westlake] [ In reply to ]
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I can't speak for the other brands but i can vouch personally for VES. I was strictly a normatec user for years and was lucky enough to get a chance to try the VES when they first came on the scene. I never went back. The price may be higher for the VES but for me it's worth it if i can actually compete again the next day. The results were that good and I can customize it to what i need on that day. So - the features probably bump the price up but whatever - the results are what im interested in. Note: im not affiliated with VES - just wanted to say that the saying "you get what you pay for" is true in this situation :)
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [Kimcassidy] [ In reply to ]
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PS - anyone here going to nations on Sept 8th?
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Re: NormaTec MVP Boot vs. Recovery Pump Boot [cam2win] [ In reply to ]
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Podium Legs second version is tough and great for its price! Feel free to private message me for $25 off $799 coupon code! http://www.podiumlegs.com
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