Definitely not sounding good for the event.

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Bigger issue the governor. He has already canceled 2 races I was planning. Hopefully he gets booted quickly so he can't screw up much else (or more importantly - kill more old people)

Here's a follow-up meeting. Things are all a go for now.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/

Damn flu, don't they know this is going to ruin people's lives

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I think my sister is registered for Placid so that’s better news.

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I saw this article too, but I don't think there's much information in there other than Ironman (and other events) are planning to go ahead with the intent of being flexible to guidelines set by authorities. Seems much less definitive than a councilman saying holding the Ironman is "impossible".

That being said, Tempe town council said IMAZ was a go all the way . . . until it wasn't. So these people change their minds. Perhaps LP officials will change it in a positive way if vaccine rollout goes well.

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Tupper Lake Tinman, 4 weeks earlier and 10% the overall size is already cancelled. The could not get permits for the park to host the race. Tupper Lake is 30 Miles from Lake Placid.

Yeah, just the state had already set inflexible rules regarding the permits at parks, no? I don't think IMLP needs a state permit, it doesn't go through a state park, so from that perspective possibly they are better placed? But the race obviously leaves Placid, so there will be additional municipalities that have to agree to the event besides just Placid, and they probably benefit from the race much less.

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and outdoor sports venues with a capacity of 2,500 or more people would be allowed to open at 20% capacity, starting April 1.
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I wonder if the WTC would be motivated to host IMLP if they're only allowed 400-500 athletes. My gut says that's below the threshold for their business model, but perhaps they've changed it for the Covid era.

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It looks like they had 1100-1200 finishers at IMFL. Not sure how many DNF's as their list has quite a few people listed who never even started.

We don't how many people the Oval can hold. I know it does hold at least 3500 bikes, but if there aren't going to be changing tents, and maybe no bag racks, as you keep everything at your bike, they could conceivably get that number north of 6,000, which would get them 1200 racers.

But I'm sure there's already 2-3000 people registered, so how do you determine who gets the spots? Open deferrals and hope enough people take them? Offer actual refunds like Mont Tremblant did? Not sure there is a good answer.

I think I read elsewhere that the oval is under construction and won't be used this year regardless. It's unclear to me how you would define the capacity of an ironman course, seems like you could just pull whatever number you want based on how you want to calculate it.

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The practical question for the RD is how many bike racks fit with how many bikes allowing for social distance spacing. A bike rack that would normally be 8 bikes is now 3 or 4.

Where else could a transition zone be without the Oval? There isn't any other place in town that could handle it.

Maybe the main parking lot and/or inside the skating arena? The Horse Show grounds would be perfect, but a 2 mile transition run kind of sucks.

What about Mirror Lake drive?..all on one side. The lake side? Just a thought. Shorter walk.

At Challenge Miami last weekend it was 4 bikes to a rack.

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Bolded is correct - from another race:

the State has already made the decision to deny any permits for events within their parks in 2021 due to the corona virus.

Email from the race was on January 23'rd.

Wow, Tupper Lake is a relatively tiny local event. In any case, getting used to spending another summer just enjoying personal training challenges for the time in the future where we can all socialize around structured racing.

This would be such a bummer. We all should be vaccinated by then. I have to imagine this would be brutal to local businesses—not just the loss of IM but all the other weekend events.

Unless people want to take IM Indiana slots, it would be another deferral to 2022–nothing else is open.

I wonder if WTC ever could schedule a US race on short notice. Give people from LP, TX, etc a chance to race this year, and allow them to target 2022 races for fresh revenue

Those are organizers of events saying that they plan to conduct them (what else are they going to say?) permits to actually do it is a whole other story. Probably not happening.

There is no news or real information in this article, but it is an editorial from the local newspaper prompting the newly elected town council members to follow through on their promise to cancel the ironman this year.

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/...ents-are-a-big-risk/

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It is not accurate that NY State Parks are not issuing permits for events this year.

I hosted an event in a state park in 2020 and have approvals for 2021 as well.

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I like my little rubric for race likelihood discussion. NY scores low on all three.

1. Political Bias - The state and local political attitude toward social and venue restrictions
2. Event History - Has the state hosted similar events since Pandemic
3. Covid Metrics - Trends in cases, hospitalizations, deaths, & vaccinations

NY has demonstrated a strong bias toward cancelations and restrictions of all gathering-type events. NY has not hosted any races or events (I have read about) like an IM 70.3. NY is OK in deaths, and vaccinations (top third of US), but cases are up and have never really settled down since last summer.

The best case decision now is probably a no-decision. A "no," is kind of permanent, even if things vastly improve in the next few months.

That's awesome news.

I'd be curious what the real story is at the other 2 races that were already canceled this year as they are hosting other events.

That's cool, seems like you may be the exception rather than the rule though. Only tangentially related, but I'm registered for SOS as well as IMLP this year. SOS sent out an e-mail last week saying the permits they would need are not being issued at all right now, but they were hopeful that would change in time for the event. The real tell though was they accidentally titled the e-mail "SOS 2022", which I'm guessing was some kind of Freudian slip that they really expect it to be canceled.

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When it comes to events in NY State there are so many permits that could be needed.

State Park permit would be just 1 if held inside a state park, go outside the park at all and then there could be village, town, county, State, town DOT, County DOT, State DOT, Heath Dept., State mass gathering permit if its a large event. Add on all the police agencies that might need to sign off and it can get tough.

We've been able to get most all permits we need for all of our events minus City, which just does not want events right now and would be cost prohibitive anyhow. We've had to keep events small and enforce a lot of restrictions but at least we are producing events

Since last year we have had so many meetings with different groups, working to get approvals and also to give guidance on how events can safely operate.

I know Buffalo Marathon recently had meetings with a state committee to try and get their event approved for end of May

Slowly but surely events will get going in NY

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replying to last post...

I really hope IMLP goes off! Know a few folks doing that one.

Any word on IM Mussleman 70.3 scheduled for July 11, 2021? Geneva, NY (finger lakes region)?

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Oh wow. I got the SOS email as well. I didn't pick up on that. Yikes.

I told my wife it wasn't the most encouraging email....

Can we bribe you to start putting on tri's again?

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You'd have to bribe the wife and that will take a very large number :)

Honestly, producing tri's just stopped being fun. They're way too much work to produce a good, safe, high quality, high production event to also not be fun for us or our team just sucked

They also lost too much money so I'll leave it up to someone else to subsidize the sport around here, I served my time

I do miss having a Duathlon since that's my background but same story

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I don’t disagree with anything you wrote except that I’m not convinced a no decision is the best option. If the odds of having the race are minuscule, and only in some fantasy world of zero covid or something comparable, it would be better just to cxl now in my view. That preference is likely individual though, and obviously we know by now that Ironman doesn’t say or do anything until cancellation is definitive.

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I’m not planning on that race, but my tendency is to hope for the happy path. It is still 3.5 months way, and a lot can change in that timeframe. I hope they wait another 6 weeks and take a read late May. If doubtful still then, cancel 2 months away.

Ok y'all, what are our thoughts about the current status of the race? Feeling pretty good about it being held, as planned?

Ironman does an incredible job of keeping this stuff private, so I’m doubtful anyone is coming here to say anything new. Just reading the articles I already posted, no I do not feel good about it. Would think 50-50 best.

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Considering the Olympic Oval is all torn up for renovations (i.e. where transition is), along with Main Street being one way for the summer during construction, along with the COVID issues, I seriously doubt we will be racing this year.

Is it possible these renovations and construction right now are being done for the Ironman?

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It's going to take them all summer to complete all this work

(I am sortof a local to the area - I have a house nearby and keep up with the local news)

Oh that is a bummer! Yeah I live not far from Stowe, VT and it took most of the summer to work on construction on route 100. And now they are resuming again this spring. It's never-ending. So I can imagine on going construction in LP. I did that IM in 2017. I'm aiming for IMMD this year. I'm keeping my eye on IMLP as it will be an indicator of whether Musselman goes off (I'm signed up for that on July 11).

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I am registered for both IMLP and IMMD this year. I expect IMMD would happen. But given the state of COVID in NY, and all the construction going on in town, and also the people newly elected to the local government (and their attitudes towards the events that bring crowds), I am not confident at all.

I haven't raced IMLP since 2017... and I bought my house in Jay later that year. I want to race something where I get to sleep in my own bed... maybe next year?

I'm hopeful that is the rate of vaccinations increases the chances of Lake Placid happening goes up as well but I agree with everything set above it seems doubtful.
The bigger question is do they cancel in time for everyone to get their money back from where they're staying.

As for Maryland save your money not a whole lot to see down there.

I’ve raced Maryland twice. It’s good race. Yes not much to see but Cambridge is still a neat town. I’ll race it this year if it happens (I kinda think by then we will be in a better position for it)

Towns ok. I just felt like the run course was mind numbing...
Fingers crossed for Placid

USAT multisport nationals is in NY, entirely in a state park this year. I had hoped that by the planned late september date they would be able to get the necessary permits. Fingers crossed. Aquabike nats was going to be my big goal for the year.

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IMMD wasn't my first choice but I was able to transfer from an overseas IM and IMMD was still open at the time. I am very grateful to now be registered for this race as many are scrambling to find a race or are on waiting lists. Yeah it's not a fancy destination race, but we are making the most of it. We have a nice house rented on upper Hooper Island right on the water. We may bring SUPs for afterward. Will be a longer drive in the morning to the race venue but still worth it. From what I see and hear, it looks very pretty on those Islands. And the other great thing is that I don't have to fly to this IM. It will be long drive but it's reasonable.

I really hope all races go off. Fingers crossed!!

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Lake Placid intends to notify IM either the second or third week of May of their decision.

This sounds great, can you say how you know this?

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Yes... It was a complex process of emailing the individuals on Town council and those responsible for permitting.

Sorry I couldn't resist being a smart-ass.
But seriously I did just look up who the individuals were emailed them and politely explained what my questions were and they were quick to respond.

Having the decision made in the next 3-4 weeks is probably not a positive for the race happening.

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I totally agree there's a very real possibility numbers are still trending upwards at that point

Given the apparent bent of the town council towards cancellation, it even seems plausible that they want to rush the decision ahead of state reopening mandates that might allow it to go forward.

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You would think they would want to find any way they can to have it go off... But who knows I also don't know what in the world they're going to do about transition isn't the oval under construction

This sucks.

I hope they let us k is by end of May as you suggest. I’d rather not make the life sacrifices of that last big 2 month push of volume for nothing.

No idea about the established members of the town committee, just the new ones ran on a platform of race cancellation. While googling around looking for information that doesn’t exist I did notice that the race was initially postponed to the end of August last year. Anyone think they might do similar this year? Haven’t seen this possibility discussed.

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My one concern about the end of August is that it's the same weekend as Maine 70.3 You have a lot of people looking to do both events. I was thinking it could be the same date as when LP 70.3 was. That's the second weekend of September. That is also the same date as Atlantic City. I am hopeful they will try for a late August early September date. The other problem with that is the Kona slots would be 2022. Who knows.

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Just a headache all the way around.

Well.. They've released the athlete list, so hopefully that's a positive for the event being held.

They released a list, but it doesn't seem to have any international athletes listed:(

Looks like just a share under 3,000 names on the list. Doesn’t appear they downsized it at all.

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Its been updated, now has international competitors on it.

good to hear!

Pump the brakes. That is coming from IM.... unfortunately they don't decide.

I'm not sure why people don't understand this very simple concept. Ironman is going to proceed as if the race will happen until it doesn't. People shouldn't read anything into it.

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Within a month, most people will be back to work and be vaccinated. Unless the people of LP want to kill off this event for other reasons, it should take place.

Can I have the name of your medication? I'm going to request some.

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But seriously I'm not sure what to expect. There seems to be some desire on LP end to squash it again this year or maybe we are reading the tea leaves wrong.

Don't think it's that simple. Unfortunately, from the looks of things, US may only get to 50-60% of adult population vaccinated... because huge % of people showing they won't get a shot. That's just going to push back things.

I hope people get to race at LP. But it seems pretty tough (I'm not local, don't have inside information, this just speculation):

• We will not have magical "great news, this this is over" in next 30, 60, 90 days. If someone (local politician) who wants to read/find data/opinion pieces to show holding a race will be potentially devastating to a local venue, they will be able to do so.
• Tourist spots are heaving. They have been heaving. Again, not local, but read the news regarding Lake Placid. They were fully booked last summer. They've had huge numbers of tourists this spring. The town, residents, property owners aren't going to lose money by not holding IM this year. What's worse, and I've seen this in a couple tourist spots where we own property - locals are resentful for last 12 months...because they believe people have run over their towns to "get away from COVID" and as result... have brought there.
• This is just my speculation...but if you think about psychology of local government officials... if the town is heaving, what incentive do they have to hold large events? The only people who really benefit are the out-of-towners who come in and race... and then leave. Just adding to the headaches of people in the town right now. Worse, IF there is a demonstrable spike in infections... then they have to eat sh*t about it. Why risk that? Finally, in locations like LP, they know IM will be back.

The opposite of this is a race like Tulsa. OF COURSE, they will hold this race. As red a state as can be. A city that needs people to come to it. An event that is launching that needs to do whatever it can to launch.

In my opinion - this is where 2021 is going to be frustratingly asymmetrical. Some people will race. And some won't. And it won't seem fair.


Hope I'm wrong about LP as I believe racing can be responsibly held.

I hope you are wrong too, but I think you hit the nail on the head.

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In general, and I think you nailed it, racing won't have anything to do with science, but will have everythiing to do with instantaneous psychological profile of a collective of politicians in the town that has to issue permits. In many locations this will lag actual case load, and risk of hospital support by many months or quarters.

Also keep in mind that politicians in general are on full pay. They actually feel an unequal burden from the pandemic compared to private sector. So in general public sector officials who want to hold on to power, and on full pay, will be conservative in terms of allowing things that have potential or perceived risk. If there is perceived risk, rolling the dice may be a bad political move and if you never feel it personally in your bank account, then erring on the side of real or perceived caution will initially rule any decision making (and you can understand how things shake out that way).

devashish_paul wrote:

Also keep in mind that politicians in general are on full pay. They actually feel an unequal burden from the pandemic compared to private sector. So in general public sector officials who want to hold on to power, and on full pay,

What do you mean by full pay in this instance? I don't think being a trustee (town councilmember) in Lake Placid is a full-time job in terms of pay. I think it pays about US$6K/year.

This is common in small towns in this part of the US at least. Council members have other jobs or sources of income.

Here is an example from Lake Placid - this guy (who was elected) owns a store and is involved in tourism
https://www.lakeplacidnews.com/news/local-news/2021/03/05/questionnaire-lake-placid-trustee-candidate-marc-galvin/
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I think that guy was quoted as saying his bookstore had a great year last year, as did many other local businesses, and so LP doesn’t need the Ironman, or something to that effect.

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Yeah. And my point is that he is not fully paid as a politician who can ignore the external economic environment.

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Sorry, my statement was a general statement about politicians and govt officials on full pay. Agreed this may not apply to LP. But those who are on full pay (be it public or private sector) inherently have a different view on what opens up or not. Those who won't be able to pay for groceries tomorrow because of inability to do commerce inherently will lean another way. Its just how human psychology works. Military does tons of tests on soldiers in training depriving them of food and shelter on exercise to elicit those survival reactions, while simultaneously seeing how the teams keep missions on track. Mainly I am saying that if you're well fed, its easier to stay on whatever mission. Those who are unfed at some point fall out of line with the mission.

May not? May? Thanks for the political insight.

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I was replying to Dan Funk talking generally about races and permits all over, not just in LP. No need to get snarky about that.

You literally wrote "LP" in the sentence I commented on:

And if we're talking about "all over" as I said, in plenty of small towns your comments about politicians - at least elected ones - being fully paid is just not true.

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Ok let's move on. I was just trying to focus on the general scenario. Mainly I hope the psychology of politicians changes early enough to allow for racing in the summer where Covid19 is sufficiently suppressed.

Don’t apologize Dev, you are one of the most respected people on Slowtwitch.
We know what you meant. Let the crybaby libs sit inside and nitpick with masks on, WE will just train our asses off and be ready when the politicians (paid or not) give us the green light.

You gathered that in the less than two weeks you been registered on ST?
Ah, Troll with bold. Gotcha ya.

You’re doing a lot of editorializing with Dev’s post about stuff he never said, dickhead.

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Hey guys, can we just move on. Most everyone wants to get back to some racing including LP. Almost all of that is at the whim of politicians allowing for racing in towns they control. We need politicians to mentally be ready for that. When and how they are ready, well, that's not in our hands, so let's hope they feel that outdoor sport and having people from out of town is a good thing at the right point and if it happens to align with when we want to race, that would be awesome. I believe Dan Funk was trying to allude to some of that in general terms.

Best post so far. And what I highlighted above is probably very true. The pool where I swim is located in a very popular ski town and locals are very tired of all the city people fleeing covid and coming to our state in droves (trying to move here too! ugh). There is a lot of resentment from locals (heck, myself included). We saw massive amounts of out-of-state plates all year long, even when covid was at it's worst.

And having trained and raced in LP (I live a few hours away) we got a taste of how some of the locals feel about the triathletes. My husband had a bad incident with a local rural man in a pick up truck while running on the race course during a training weekend. Police were involved and we even felt that law enforcement didn't care much for all the triathletes training there every weekend. While there is a lot of support for IMLP and the volunteers are awesome, I always felt many of the locals would be happy to see the Ironman not return. But that is just my perception as well with a few other triathletes who have done the race many times.

That all being said, I hope it happens. The selfish side of me watches closely as this might indicate if my 70.3 in Geneva NY will get it's state permit for use of the state park (musselman).

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I'm also from NY, near LP and have spent some time there. Sorry to hear of your incident. Although, I would venture that while there will always be some a-hole locals who don't want ironmen and ironwomen to invade their otherwise quiet area during the summer for racing/training, it's only the negative incidents that make headlines (or result in a story like yours). No one will come up to you during a run or pull alongside during a ride and say "thanks for all the economic input to the town, train on!". I think there's many smart people up there who understand the benefit the tourism provide, but it's only the bad apples that are heard so it skews the true perception. What the ratio of love/hate is, that's the real question.

I'm very interested to see what happens with racing in NY/northeast this year. i was in for the escape the cape race in NJ for this year (early june), and they already postponed that like a month ago. I was shocked, i really thought that one was going to go on (seeing the beaches there last year, it's a joke that they won't let a triathlon happen a year and many vaccinations later...). every race is going to be different. the comment about there being no consistency was right on. it's gunna be a weird year.

Thanks for the post. That one bad incident was most likely an outlier. But because it happened to my husband, he has not had a desire to return and race there. It really soured his perception of the whole area sadly. I would like to race there again.

I'm surprised to learn of NJ races being postponed. I'm racing IMMD in September. It's a conservative area (most vote red). So thinking it will happen. Fingers crossed.

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most of the run course isn't busy/sketchy to train on if you ask me, so the fact the incident happened there is a bummer. The bike course has some busy/sketchy sections as far as traffic, most of it I personally wouldn't be willing to ride if it was midday during the summer season. i would say, there are many roads to ride/run on up there off the course which are excellent and probably overlooked by us since we all have a desire to "ride the course". Seeking alternative roads may mitigate the risk of encountering a disgruntled local, maybe. just in case you explore the idea of going there to train again. my knowledge of LP is paltry compared to others on here, I'm sure if you searched the forums or asked you could get a ton of good suggestions to enjoy the area.

As far as this goes, I have been going to LP many times a year for 25+ years in every season. LP absolutely does not need IM. We were there twice last summer and it was the busiest I can ever recall. As mentioned many times, I can't even fathom how that can put on IM this year, with restaurant capacity restrictions (don't see NYS being at 100% in 90 days), Main St being tore up, no Olympic Oval/construction, etc.

Anyway, to the bold. Places like LP has a point. Currently Essex County is 41% full vaccinated whereas the NYS is a 31% fully vaccinated, with (I assume) a municipality like LP being much higher than the 41% as opposed to many areas of the County that is very rural.

On the positive news front, they just added a pro field to the event.

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I just got an email from IMLP with this option to book an entry (I am on standby list):

https://www.nirvanaeurope.com/...placid/race-entry-57

I anticipate that I would be fully vaccinated by then, but I don't even know the status of the land border from Canada that I would have to drive across should the event happen. Furthermore I have no idea what the quarantine requirements will be then even if vaccinated.

Oh and there is this tiny thing called actually training for an Ironman!!! But it got me thinking for sure.

There is some loophole if you fly in to the states. I don’t know the specifics. It will be totally worth it though so you should do it! Plenty of time to train.

Not to always be the skeptical one but I'm seriously losing faith in this race happening this year.

I have a soft sport for IMLP. I did it 10 times in its first 11 years and an 11th time in 2013. It would be cool to do it as I have not done an Ironman in 6 years and this year is 15 years since my first KQ at IMLP 2006.

https://www.cnbc.com/...rcent-on-july-1.html

If the city is opening, it makes me wonder what the rest of the state will do.

Buffalo marathon (one month prior to LP) just got the seal of approval from the governor today.

Hopefully that's a good sign races will happen in NY this summer.

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I'm a local and have done the race numerous times. However, it's gonna be annoying for the athletes if it happens this year. Construction is in full swing. Main St. is being ripped apart, but it will be on pause during July and August. Unfortunately they're going to store the construction vehicles in the parking lots around town. Parking is a major issue if you're not staying in town, more so this year. The Oval is also off limits this year due to construction. Swim will start in the usual area, but the course will be in the shape of a weird paperclip. You'll exit at the far end of the lake, and run to transition which is at Northwood School. So transition is about 1.5 miles from the start. No changing tents this year. Finish line is the parking lot across from the post office. Finish line also might not have catchers. You may be tripping over bodies once you cross. Especially if we get one of those hot days that always seems to show up on race day.

I understand wanting to race this year, but it could be a disappointing venue this year. In my opinion (with the pandemic, NY politics, logistic nightmare from construction) I still give the race a 50/50 chance of happening. The Tupper Lake Tinman which happens the month before is virtual this year. The Lake Placid Marathon (which the race director owns) was moved from June to September.

I was also told it's all or nothing. Meaning it's a full race or it's not happening. Hopefully the Canadian border opens soon.

This all sounds awesome. Bring it on. Let’s race.

Thanks for the updates. With transition and finish at the oval it kinda loses some of the magic. Would feel like Kona with no finish on Alii beside the ocean and some random finish line a few blocks away.

Anyway regardless of all that I hope it happens. I did 50km biking and 12km running and 6km on rowing machine today on a work day. Solid day that felt like training for actual racing vs just exercising. If I get to race at any venue it will be a bonus. I hope you guys all have a full throttle event !

What a mess it will be if it goes off.

Trying to think where they would exit on the far end of the lake. Most to the right side is private property, i believe. There is the canoe/kayak launch, but that is way to narrow

The hotels on the far end/left side but then the racers would be running at least a mile to the T1 at the School. This would also eliminate a lot more street parking, making it even worse

I was wondering why you would not just put T1 on half of Mirror Lake drive or even half of main street. 2.5 hrs later you just sweep up that transition. But from what I recall the main street is closed anyway so you cuold just leave it there on half the street

We are staying near the oval in town and we were scheduled to pay the remainder of the hotel bill last month. We were told to hold off by the hotel because they are having a meeting in mid May (I believe it's the 12th) to make a decision. I am not saying this will mean a go/no-go but it should give us a little more clarification.

Did anyone else have this same experience?

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Hampton inn pushed the cancellation window back one month from April 23 to May 23. I’m hopeful this meeting we are hearing about will result in a go/no go answer. Obviously things can change, but if NY state is approving the state fair/medium sized marathons there is no reason we can’t have an answer.

Thank you for responding. I am staying at Art Devlin's. So we now have at least 2 hotels that pushed off the final payment.

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Also putting T1/T2 at the School will also, assumingly, eliminate the traffic pattern/detour to the Northway causing even more of a complete mess in/around Lake Place in race day.

The most awesome part of this latest development on this thread, is we are bantering about transition zone formats, athlete flow, local traffic flow. In a weird way discussing normal world things helps morale (where I live we are on our 3rd lockdown but I could literally get on my bike and ride the 220km to Lake Placid if the border was open)

IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE ARE BACK IN 2019 AGAIN !!!

I'm discontinuing training for Placid!!!! At this point I think it has next to no chance of happening.

Based on any specific recent development? Or just more of a culmination of all of the above mentioned variables?

Governor announced major reopening of NY state later this month. It will be interesting to see what the town of LP decides to do. If they want the race to happen, there will be a race. On the other hand, I guess they still have the power to block it. If they do, I suspect Ironman would be very unhappy given the major shift of reopening and other events going off across the state.

Here's the thing, though: it's the local community that matters.

See: IRONMAN Texas cancellation versus Galveston.

I will be *very* surprised, given the local hesitation, if IMLP gets a stamp of approval.

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Exactly. What New York City does or any surrounding area has nothing to do with whether this race goes off or not

Just based on everything mentioned above. Between the construction and what seems like zero desire by Town officials for this race to happen I just don't see the point in grinding myself into a pulp. I agree that it's going to be an all or nothing kind of deal and I personally don't see a scenario where they can bring it all together and have the complete race given all the hurdles...... With all that said who knows maybe on race day I'll be there kicking myself and thinking about just finishing rather than a PR..... But I think I'm right.

Want to wager a guess as to what deferral options registrants will receive?

My guess is just any race that's open right now + Placid 2022:

Placid 2022
Waco
Indiana
IMSG

Maybe also Texas in the Spring.

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The Governor might not be the Governor next month...................

I guess Placid 2022 it is... I'm sure nothing will be open as far as spots in Maryland and I ain't going down to hang out with David koresh in Texas.

I think if it does get cancelled we would be allowed into a few of the southern IM's. For example, IMCHOO, or IMFL even if it's 'sold out'. The city would allow them to add more participants. I don't think we have heard but I believe IMMT will be cancelled. I know it's going to be a lot of racers looking for limited spots for '21 races.

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We can only hope....

I just heard from someone who is entered in the White face mountain bike race in June that that has now been canceled.


I do not think Placid is happening

WE'VE MADE THE DIFFICULT DECISION ALONG WITH THE TOWN OF WILMINGTON AND WHITEFACE MOUNTAIN RESORT NOT TO HOST THIS YEAR'S WW-100 MTB DUE TO THE ONGOING SITUATION SURROUNDING COVID-19. WHILE WE PLANNED TO HOST THE RACE THIS YEAR, THATS NO LONGER A SAFE OPTION.


All registrations are being rolled to our 2022 race date of JUNE 4TH. Put that date on your calendar and look forward to a great race! If you have any questions, please reach out. We realize not being able to race is tremendously disappointing. We're grateful for your understanding and your support of our races, and we can't wait to see you next year! Stay safe and healthy.

That’s a bummer, much smaller event. Guess it’s still ~6wks before Placid is scheduled if you want to be optimistic. But ... IMLP would need permission from Wilmington too I presume, and they benefit much less from the event than Placid.

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Given my situation documented in the other thread, part of me is not unhappy with it... but it sure is a bummer that it looks like IMLP won't happen this year. I'll go that weekend anyway because why not... I'll probably ride the course... or ride to Canada and back

I know this will never happen, but in the increasingly likely event this race does not happen, I wish IM could pivot and create a new race in the Northeast that same weekend. Remember the speculation about Timberman coming back? Resurrect that! It wouldn’t need to be a 140.6.

Or find some downtrodden community near a body of water, and create a no-frills IM for 800 people.

Surely, there’s a million reasons why this won’t happen. Losing IMLP again is going to ruin a lot of people’s 2021 season.

I wonder if the race will ever come back, given that the public health justifications are bogus.

Agree completely. They are bogus and they’re using them as an excuse to block the race. IM needs to pull out of LP and find another host city in the northeast.

Anyone have any idea when the next meeting is?

Tonight, maybe based on the schedule on website but not sure if this is normal business or special session business in a separate agenda meeting

Town website calls tonight's meeting an "Administrative Work Session" and the 17th has a "Regular Board Meeting". Without knowing much about the town's governance I'd guess any info will come out of the meeting on the 17th, but again just a guess, could be wrong.

In my email exchange with them they didn't specify they simply said second or third week of May for what it's worth.

I wonder if there's somewhere we could view the minutes from the meeting.

Looks like the town publishes them, but they don't have the most recent up yet.

http://villageoflakeplacid.ny.gov/content/MinuteCategories

Someone on Facebook is saying they listened to the meeting today, IMLP was discussed, and the tone or content of what was discussed made it sound like the race was happening. They were very light on details.

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Not to sound like a jerk but I find it hard to believe that it's happening after they cancelled a MT bike race and all the construction...

We'll be able to watch that today, assuming the video is correct.

Watched all 42 minutes of the last one, where nothing much was discussed outside of a very small concert at the park, where they requested strict COVID protocol and following the rules of the park.

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I tried to watch but had some work stuff going on and only caught bits and pieces. There was a lot of discussion on events and Ironman was definitely included. Most toward the end. The audio feed isn’t great.

Where are you guys watching or listening to this

There was a link to the live meeting on the village board website. I’m assuming recording and minutes also get posted there.

Just a couple other details posted from the same guy ...
- vaccination may be required of all participants, volunteers, and ... spectators(?)
- IM village at the horse grounds

I don’t get how they could consider vaccination requirements for spectators, maybe in some specific area? What’s that going to mean for kids? Also, how are they going to check vaccinations? My card from Walgreens would be the easiest thing to forge in the world.

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I thought I heard something like this also, but I couldn't tell which events they were speaking about at the time. They were bouncing back and forth between discussions on lacrosse tournament, horse show, and ironman. Ahhh the speculation.

NYS has the Excelsior Pass app for vaccine proof. We used it twice so far for concerts and they scanned it at the door to verify the accuracy. Maybe they can do the same with the information on the paper cards?

I agree the spectator requirements sounds like a colossal undertaking. Maybe have a few check points/check-ins on Friday and Saturday, where spectators can go to verify vaccine information and are given colored wrist bands, so they can move around on race day?

I assume the discussion is around only vaccinated spectators allowed in stands and event venues?

What's the latest ideas on where to put transition

I haven't really kept up on whats happening in the US re vaccinations.......do folks actually have any proof of vaccination? Is the US giving out some sort of passport when they get their shots?

While I don't think anything will go off in Canada, I wouldn't be surprised if Placid happens, given other races in the US being held. Wish I could go!

Just because it would be hard to enforce doesn't mean they can't state it as a requirement. The honor system works for some and not others.

Why not just call the town manager's office and ask them. By now, a decision has to be near, if not already decided.

If you don't think I've been trying that, you don't know me well. :)

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They had been responding to emails as of a couple wks ago

Yeah, that's where my speculation on the front page story came from after an email or two out...

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Meeting is up, discussion about IMLP around 45 mins in.

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Seemed fairly promising to me. Was a little hard to hear but my takeaway was IM is going to come back to the next meeting with a more detailed plan for the city to react to.

Sounded like they wanted at least a 20% drop in participation, as well as COVID vaccinations. The board really wanted some heavy detail, IMO. Felt like they wanted it in advance of the next meeting, which is next week.

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I listened a few minutes
Yes, sounds like they really was pushing for a reduction above/beyond the normal DNS.

I would think if they are going to require vaccines, this needs to be decided quickly so it would give the requirees (sp?) time to get the shot(s) and past the 2 week period

One message that seemed loud and clear was they want specific details ASAP. Everyone seems in favor of a decision well in advance of July 25 and hopefully after Monday’s meeting. I wonder if the LP village board members are following these threads for their own personal entertainment.

I like how Greg wanted to keep it a "secret" that there will be zero parking in any lot in the Village due to construction

So I stand corrected it sounds very much so like this race is going to happen. Having listened to the meeting the only questions I really have is how are they going to cut 20% and where will transition be they talk about where they're going to exit the water and how to manage that but they don't specifically talk about transition unless I missed it.

I thought I had heard Northwoods school for transition?

I'd think this is perfect for all spouses. NO, I'm not vaccinated. Guess I'll have to stay at the pool.

And would you really forge a card to watch an IM?

Maybe they offer deferral to other races.

That would make sense.

Now as for cutting 20% how do they do that. And I was trying to figure out when listening to that meeting who was saying that there's going to be a lot of unhappy people I'm assuming that was the race director in regards to how they're going to chop 20% off. And does that 20% already take into account people from Canada who won't be able to cross the border???

The way I understood him was that they'll get their 20% through cancellations of people who want to defer, are to worried about racing/travelling etc. He seemed to indicate the numbers were already down due to this effect.

Yeah I heard that but I was also having a hard time with the audio I kind of was under the impression that they wanted more than just that. Like I said I kept hearing him say there's going to be a lot of unhappy people which made me think there's going to be extra cuts made but again that audio was tough.

It would be pretty crazy if IM contacted people to say that they were cut from the race...yikes!

So what would that mean for the swim . . .

- A shortened loop that you do ~2.5 times?
- Different entry point?
- Crazy long T1 run?
- Other?

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I was confused on the numbers. Thought he said they limited signups to 2400 and were expecting 20% to drop, getting them below 2000. But the recent athlete list has ~3000 names i think, and that's not including the pro field.

I commented the below on this a few pages back:

- Also putting T1/T2 at the School will also, assumingly, eliminate the traffic pattern/detour to the Northway causing even more of a complete mess in/around Lake Place in race day.

- Trying to think where they would exit on the far end of the lake. Most to the right side is private property, i believe. There is the canoe/kayak launch, but that is way to narrow. The hotels on the far end/left side but then the racers would be running at least a mile to the T1 at the School. This would also eliminate a lot more street parking, making it even worse.

Yes...no matter what, if they use Northwoods school, that makes for a very loooonggg transition run to t1. But, I can see where the large athletic fields would be an obvious place for transition.

Anyone have a couch I can sleep on?

If it's just you coming and not the whole family - and you can convince my wife to allow it - I have a couch.

(I think the two guest beds are spoken for already)

That kinda assumes my septic disaster is fixed by then. If it's not, well, we have bigger problems to worry about than this race

it would seem to me that the race field would sort of self-seed, esp if proof of vaccination was required. in our own poll, more than 20 percent said they are not in favor of a vaccine passport. so, you may have close to or more than 20 percent defer to another race.

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Very true... But just because they're not in favor of it doesn't mean they're not willing to get vaccinated to race . It will be interesting to see how they handle this

yeah. i just would wager that if the canadians have a problem attending, and the vaccine passport objectors defer, and if you allow others to defer who just haven't been able to get into the pool, you'll solve your 20 percent problem. for that reason, if i'm IM i don't stress about the 20 percent reduction. of all the problems, that will (i believe) turn out to be the simplest problem.

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Also almost no Canadians would be fully vaccinated by the IMLP date and our border will be shut for vehicular crossing. So the only way will be to fly to a US airport and then rent a car and fly back and 2 week quarantine, but you still won't be able to race IMLP on single dose. So almost no Canadians will be able to attend

Yeah sounds like a good point.

I guess we will have a definitive answer before too long from lake Placid but that meeting sure sounds like it's going off

Hell, I'm vaccinated, have no objections to vaccine passports, and have access to swim training. Hell I even have a house in LP. But I will gladly defer because my body isn't responding to training the way I want it to and am not convinced I can complete right now.

If they give me a chance to defer I will take it and let someone have my slot. I am not sure they will let me do it since I am registered as a voluntary deferral from last year after St George was cancelled (this was days before all the COVID madness started).

I bet they allow people in your situation another year of deferral. However, I do not think they will let someone else take your spot when you defer. It sounds like in order for the village board to approve the race they want to see fewer athletes. The question is how low do they need to go in order to make the board happy? 1900? 1500?

By "take my spot" I mean someone currently registered who wants to race. It sounds like they need to reduce the number of people racing. I will gladly volunteer to defer another year so that someone else can race. (Assuming the alternative is for IM to just say "we need to reduce capacity and sorry you were randomly selected to not race this year")

Ahh gotcha. Hopefully others will be just as generous as you!

Northwoods School has property on Mirror Lake directly across from the school which they use for a boathouse. I assume water in/out would be there and swim would start/end from the opposite side of the Lake.

I’m pretty sure IM will let anyone defer from any WTC race. All you have to do is email them. I didn’t feel comfortable traveling to 70.3 Chatty as I knew I wouldn’t be fully vaccinated by then, so I emailed them in March and they let me defer until 2022 no questions asked.

So for those of you on the fence… please do email and request a deferral. Let’s get those numbers down so those of us who are ready can race.

I am wondering if this is the way to go with how everything has gone for me over the last 16 or so months. I want to be ready for WC's and am not sure if this will just dig the hole too much trying to get fit enough in the next two months and then doing the event. Wondering if an Olympic distance/70.3 focus makes more sense.

EDIT: Just sent the email requesting a transfer to 2022.

My second dose is scheduled for the day after the race.
There was talk of possibly being able to get it a bit early. I was hoping to be able to grab a cancellation to get it done early.
Right now, I can't even leave my province. This is so frustrating. Not only do I have to worry about if the race will go ahead, but whether I will be able to leave my province and cross the border. I could possibly swing a 2 week quarantine upon return, but my husband wouldn't.
I signed up to race with a friend, which is the only reason I haven't yet deferred.
I'm also wondering if transferring to IMMT would be a possibility if the race doesn't go/border doesn't open. Unfortunately my friend racing is American so that won't work for us racing together.

I was very optimistic with the vaccine and the numbers we have had here in my province. Until a few weeks ago. Now we are in the worst situation since the beginning of the outbreak.

Update on my deferral. It took less than 2 hours to get a response.



Thank you for reaching out, and we are sorry to hear that you are unable to attend 2021 IRONMAN Lake Placid. Within the guidelines of our internal COVID-19 protocols, we can accommodate a request for a deferral to 2022 IRONMAN Lake Placid, but we are unable to offer withdrawal options beyond this. Below is what will happen:
Your entry for the 2021 race will be canceled without a refund
The entirety of your 2021 entry fee will be applied to your 2022 registration
We will send you a registration link next year for the 2022 race whenever online registration opens
Any additional purchases (i.e. FinisherPix, merchandise, the Event Registration Protection, USAT) will not defer over to 2022
Should you be unable to compete in your 2022, you will not be eligible for any additional accommodations (i.e. refunds, transfers, deferrals)
If you understand the above, please click here to complete the deferral by June 11, 2021. Please note, if you select a different 2021 event than 2021 IRONMAN Lake Placid, your deferral request will be cancelled, and you will need to resubmit your request. Please let me know if you have any issues with the link. Once you complete the above link, you are all set! Thank you!

I guess I'll go send a similar email now. I just hope they don't give me shit about it because technically this was already a deferral from St George 2020.

Mine was a deferral from LP 2020...and a free entry at that. They just state this is the last time. No more!

Isn't today the day of the town council meeting where we're expecting/hoping a decision is made regarding the race?

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Hopefully. There appears to be a meeting at 5pm.

Can't leave my province (NS) either and no real end in sight of that. Re IMMT, keep in mind that race most likely won't happen this year either. Quebec, Ontario, and basically all of Canada have been pretty vocal about how there will be no large events this Summer, and that what we can hope for by mid-late Summer is to have family picnics, etc., and by Fall, maybe small social gatherings. That is literally what they have said. Thats a far cry from an Ironman.....

it is, but I have some health concerns and a lack of fitness that concern me when I considering doing a full iron. Its going to be 70.3 focus for me this year.

It's on!.... I'm shocked as s*** but it's on

How do you know?

I was notified on Saturday by the mayor I'm sure they'll be an article on the front page with the rest of the details later this afternoon or tomorrow

Thanks!

It was discussed at length on the Board Meeting that just concluded. The Village required 2 things from IM 1) 20% reduction and 2) vaccine requirements for athletes, volunteers. Also spectators (I believe, some parts was hard to listen) in designated IM areas.

No one is allowed on the beach expect athletes. Athletes line up on Mirror Lake Drive

No change tents, no body marking, no wet suit peelers, etc. Pretty much self service

Reductions in volunteers and aid stations. Finish line (not discussed where) area @ 50% capacity

“The North Elba Town Board North Elba, New York approved the 2021 IRONMAN Lake Placid triathlon and Summit Lacrosse events following in-depth written and oral presentations from Summit Lacrosse and IRONMAN representatives, which included assurances of a reduction of athletes by 20% and that eligible athletes, coaches, officials, vendors, staff, volunteers and spectators in designated event areas will be required to provide proof of vaccination,” said Jay Rand, Town of North Elba Supervisor. “We thank the organizers for exceptional efforts to conduct these events with the highest degree of safety, and we wish safe and successful events to both IRONMAN and Lacrosse organizations.”

My understanding was that meeting was at 5pm. When I asked it wasn’t yet 5pm in LP which was why I asked.

Many thanks to all involved on both the side of the town and Ironman. Best of luck to all athletes competing!!!

Great news!!!

I'm glad to hear it's a "go". That said, I just pulled plug and punted to next year. You guys all have fun. I'll be cheering from the pub.

I may still want that couch so I can go to the Pub as well, lol.

better get your ass training!

Like I said, talk to my wife. Lol

So transition at Northwoods school, but do we know if swim in/out is also from that end of the lake? It would have to be, no? My Hampton Inn reservation is much less convenient now. Oh well, just happy to race.

Ironman just emailed. They're on board. Offering deferral to 2022 IMLP (extending deadline to up to 1 week before race day) or deferral to 2021 Chattanooga or Maryland on a limited basis. Otherwise- GAME ON!

https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/...-to-reduce-capacity/

I'm glad it's going to happen!

And I am glad I am bumped to 2022.

I'll be cheering from the pub

According to stuff I see elsewhere (FB) the decision to require vaccinations was not made by the village, but was an agreement between ROOST (the tourism bureau for the Adirondack region, which is the entity that pays Ironman to have the race) and Ironman.

Super excited the race is happening. And glad to see they’re requiring athletes to be vaccinated.

I'm glad to see this!

I wish other IM events would require proof of vaccination (of course exceptions for those who legitimately can't get vaccinated for medical reasons). Maybe it will encourage a few more to get vaccinated.

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I agree!! Any incremental increase in the vaccine rates is a positive thing. Like a lot of sport teams, retail stores, etc that are offering incentives to get vaccinated, and help from IM and Lake Placid is a good thing.

Though I know a group of 20+ athletes that in any given year more than 50% does IMLP. Most are deferring ou of this year. Some (maybe) are anti-vaxx and deferring out, but several are backing out due to the pending logistical sh%t-show it seems it will be with all the changes (and assumingly constantly be changing up to race day) due to COVID protocols and construction and them wanting to race the iconic course with the Oval finish line

This is the best possible year for those going for a kona slot!

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Yea... I am bummed I am not in shape to go for it. Otherwise I would be all over this for a Kona slot.

Sadly I had to defer.

Just curious why you think that? I guess it will have 20% fewer participants than normal, so that might help, but the pointy end of the races that have happened so far has been awfully strong. Seems to me that a lot of people used extra time gained the last year to up their performance (many went the other way too, obviously). I was somewhat hopeful that they might announce extra slots given there have been few qualifying races, but since they haven't done something similar for IMCDA [yet] that's probably a pipe dream.

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Hopefully the planned 20-30% reduction in field size will free up some lodging around LP.

I'm registered, but didn't want to commit to housing until there was some kind of green light like we have now. The market is tight.

So if anyone deferring happens to be cancelling a 2 bedroom AirBNB or similar near the venue ...

I think it is time to change the thread title. We can flip from the doom and gloom from several months ago to "IMLP IS ON !!!!""

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Not racing but we were able to book an AirBnB pretty close by last week.

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They did in fact add slots for IMLP, all the way to 150 as with IMCDA. So KQ is going to go pretty deep, on a reduced field size. I now agree with Triingtotrain.

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Sweet!!!!

Now I just need to get my second vaccine actually get into the race and get over the border and get in shape

....but anything is possible right???

Is it too early to speculate on potential (imminent) course changes? First time to Placid for myself and while it is disappointing we won't get the traditional oval finish, I'm stoked to have the opportunity to do a long course.

Transition and the finish will be about 3/4 of a mile away from where it normally is. Any course changes will be minimal in order to support moving to the other side of the lake, really. And the bike course normally would go right past that area (right after climbing the three bears and making the right onto Northwood Rd

So swim will be ~1.5 loops of the regular course, then a line out to the far side of the lake? Do we know where the likely swim exit is going to be? I was just looking at Google street view and everything looked pretty private. Not having the oval is kind of a bummer, but honestly, other than the [likely] longer T1, this seems like NBD on the changes.

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That is my understanding, but I certainly could be wrong. I, also, do not know where the swim exit will be, and yea it looks like your run into T1 will be fairly long to get over to the school fields.

I'll be there tomorrow though. I figure at some point this weekend I'll take a closer look around and see where swim exit might be.

Based on their virtual tour thing, this little boat launch area is owned by the Northwoods School, my guess is swim exit would be there. Doesn't appear to be a ton of space, but seems like it'll do. (edited to fix image file).


http://www.northwood360.com/




Since the bike already passes the school, I don't think there's going to much of a change there. Couple articles mention that the finish will still be on Main St. (across from the oval).
https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2021/05/ironman-lacrosse-to-reduce-capacity/
Based on that my guess is they'll extend the turn around on River Rd. a little bit to account for the fact that you would only do the Mirror Lake Dr. leg 3 times (assuming the turn-around is at transition).


This is all just me procrastinating and digging around the web, so absolutely not official, just my guesses.

Or shorten the turn around on River road on the run and do Mirror Lake 5x (once out leaving T2, out and back Mirror Lake ending Loop1, out and back on Mirror Lake on Loop2, finish at Oval).

Personally I would prefer your suggested 3x. I always hated coming up the hill by High Peaks and coming right by the finish line and then having to do Mirror Lake again. Your swim exit location makes sense. Its going to be a long line up for single swimmers anyway with rolling start and a reduced field due to only vax'd field plus likely no Canadians able to make the trip due to border still being shut

Best of luck to everyone racing. I did my first IMLP in 1999. Thomas Hellriegel lapped me as I was turning off run loop1 and he was finishing the Mirror Lake drive segment on run loop2 heading to the oval.

If I can get my second shot, and they open the border, and I can get in if they open up slots, and I can get in shape, (3 things outside my control one thing in control), would love to join you all. Never say never. This summer is also 30 years since my first Ironman in Penticton. So would be cool to do one, but looking unlikely. For everyone who can, go and enjoy.

There are a few rumors of a figure 8 swim course flying around the internet. Should be a fun day!

Do you mean two different size loops (a large loop and a small loop).

I just did the Rouvy IMLP 40km from Keene to Wilmington with the out and back. Man, I forgot how hard that is, but then again I am 22 years older than the first time I cruised thru with better legs and better cardio

Hey who are you guys contacting about deferring out of LP this year? I didn't know if there's a specific email address you guys are using.

For the races I deferred I just emailed the email address for that race. They usually responded in a day or two and provided a link to Active to do the deferral.

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I just got an event preparation email today that had the link in it again to defer or to transfer to IM Maryland or IM Chattanooga by June 23 even though last week I was told it was too late to transfer to the other races.
I missed the original June 1st deadline and emailed LakePlacid@ironman.com to see if there was anything else I could do.

I've not received any emails from Lake Placid about event preparation. WTF

Fishbum wrote:

I've not received any emails from Lake Placid about event preparation. WTF

I know some people on Facebook mentioning they hadn't either. It's a glitch or something. If you email them, they will send it to you. In the meantime, this was it
"Dear ViewSPORT IRONMAN Lake Placid Athlete,
The ViewSPORT IRONMAN Lake Placid triathlon is quickly approaching and we are looking forward to seeing everyone next month!

When we last communicated to you, the Village of Lake Placid, the Town of North Elba and ROOST set forth new requirements for hosting events this summer, including the requirement to provide proof of vaccination in designated athlete-only areas in order to participate in the event.

Our team has been hard at work developing and refining event operational plans in a manner consistent with local community objectives and within these guidelines and recommendations set by public health entities as it relates to COVID-19 and will be in effect for all those engaging with the event such as athletes, officials, vendors, volunteers, media and staff.

To ensure that you have a smooth event experience, we have outlined the protocols and implementation plan as it relates to proof of vaccination in designated event venues to meet the requirements outlined by the Village of Lake Placid, Town of North Elba and ROOST.

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  Athletes will have a designated entrance at the Horse Show Grounds and all athletes will have to show proof of being fully vaccinated before proceeding to athlete check-in area.
  
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  Athletes will be required to show their designated valid Vaccination Record Card or a Digital Copy (photo of both sides of your card will be sufficient) with photo ID. Event Medical Staff will be at the entrance and will be visually checking cards for validation.
  

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  Please note according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), people are considered fully vaccinated for COVID-19 ≥ 2 weeks after they have received the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna)
  

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  2 weeks after they have received a single-dose vaccine (Johnson & Johnson [J&J]/Janssen)
  

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  International athletes must show a valid country of origin Vaccination Record Card or Digital Copy of the card with a photo ID. By default, international individuals will be considered fully vaccinated for COVID-19 2 weeks after they have received the second dose in a 2-dose series, or 2 weeks after they have received a single-dose vaccine
  

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  Once an athlete is validated as being fully vaccinated by the Event Medical Staff, that athlete will proceed to athlete check-in to receive their designated athlete wristband. The athlete wristband will identify that an athlete has being fully vaccinated and allow them to show their wristband to access the various designed Event Venues during event week. Face coverings will not be required for these individuals who have been validated as fully vaccinated.
  
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  Any athlete that does not show proof of being fully vaccinated must show a valid exemption. If a valid exemption is not able to be presented, the athlete will be deemed unvaccinated/non-exempt and will not be able to enter event venues.
  


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  Age Exemption – Any individual that is 15 years of age or younger
  
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  Medical Exemptions – Individuals that have a Medical Exemption from being fully vaccinated and MUST bring a copy of written documentation from their personal physician stating they are medically exempt from receiving the vaccine. Medical exemptions may include but are not limited to:
  


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  Allergic reaction to available vaccines
  
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  Recovery from COVID-19
  
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  Underlying medical conditions preventing individual from receiving vaccine
  
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  Additional medical exemptions as outlined by personal physician
  
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  Individuals that have a medical exemption that is approved by the Event Medical Team during the entrance process will be:
  


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  Presented with an additional designated colored wristband and must wear the wristband for the duration of the event.
  
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  Required to wear a face covering at all times outside of competition while in the Event Venues. Post-race, athletes be supplied a face covering to wear.
  
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  Please know that if any Athlete loses their wristband during the event week, they will need to repeat the validation process before receiving a replacement wristband. They will NOT be able to enter event venues until they have received a replacement wristband.
  

If at any time you don’t feel comfortable racing or will not be able to provide proof of vaccination or medical exemption, you can choose to defer your race entry to the 2022 IRONMAN Lake Placid and may do so all the way up to race week. However, we have also made a variety of options available to provide registrants flexibility. Additional race options include transferring to the 2021 Little Debbie IRONMAN Chattanooga presented by McKee A Family Bakery or 2021 SelectBlinds IRONMAN Maryland (limited availability). You can make your desired race selection via the link, here. Please note these options are for those who do not wish to race in Lake Placid in 2021 under any circumstance as the selection is final. Once you elect to transfer or defer you will not be eligible for additional options offered should the 2021 IRONMAN Lake Placid race be rescheduled at a later time. Please complete the link by Wednesday June 23, 2021 11:59 pm ET.

For assistance with this or for any additional questions, please reach out to lakeplacid@ironman.com.

In the meantime, please remember to review our event website, review the IRONMAN Return to Racing details and follow us on Facebook for race day updates.

We wish you all the best and look forward to seeing you at the start line in July!
Greg Borzilleri"


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