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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe cobble can correct me here, but doesn't Sep have team obligations as well? It would surprise me if he left Mollema unprotected to go chase down FC.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [WILLEATFORFOOD] [ In reply to ]
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Technically he does.....but I think Belkin is also realistic that Mollema is a Top 5 guy, at best and they need a new sponsor. So Sep may be given the freedom to chase a stage win, if Mollema has other guys around hi.

The ideal situation would be that Mollema is in his group, obviously......

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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McNulty wrote:
Sagan makes up 5 spots in one corner.

I say Greg van A in yellow tomorrow.
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None of those other than GvA I guess. Going to be a tough day for Froome after crashing today, serious bad luck for him.

Watching Kittel and Sagan move forward in last 2k was a thing of beauty today. Around every corner Sagan would go forward while others hesitated.

Good pick on Kristoff. Degenkolb is also racing. So two sprinter types who do well on cobbles. Chavanel may also be able to do something special, as does Langeveld. Real long shots go to Demare or Ladagnous on FDJ.

I'm hoping GvA would be able to do something special.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Philloody] [ In reply to ]
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Hey diddle diddle marcel kittel up the middle.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Now if merida had a sky like presence, i think merida sales would increase.

I must confess that locally, here in the Toronto area, I do see more than a few Pinerello's. Although they tend to be under, riders who would appear to be very well off financially. I higher-end customer if you will.


Merida is an interesting example.....their distribution is very scattered. They have a European presence, but are non-existant in North America (dunno about OZ) and have a very strong Asian presence. While I have never had this confirmed, I believe their lack of NA distrobution is mostly due to the fact that they don't want to compete directly with their customers. They are primarily an OEM supplier and a brand second.

Too often we gauge the return of sponsorship based on our NA view of things......

Correct. Merida [arguably the worlds second largest bike co.] owns 49% of Spesh, and doesn't need to compete with itself in the NA market.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Philloody] [ In reply to ]
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Interested on views on cavendish vs kittel - assuming that cav hadn't gone out so early this year, seems like it would have been an epic battle in the 'true' sprint stages. Early days, but Kittel looks well set to keep on banking stage wins - can cav match him next year?

Have to say Kittel is looking awesome. I'd have expected Greipel to put up a better show than he has done so far though. I think Cav would have been a lot more competitive than last year when he was tired after the Giro and his train wasn't really working. Great shame that he's gone.

I definitely think he can match Kittel next year - he'll be hugely motivated to get himself back on top after 3 relatively poor Tours in a row and he's got one of the smartest tactical brains in the peloton so am sure he'll be working on strategies to combat Kittel's outright speed. I remember a few years back Cav saying he'd deliberately sacrificed some top-end speed to become more of an all-rounder who could to compete for points jerseys and in one-day races such as the World Champs and Olympics. That was at a time when he was winning Tour stages for fun (20 in 4 years) and was being accused of being a one trick pony - having now won a World Champs and the points jersey in all 3 Grand Tours and after "only" winning 5 Tour stages in the last 3 years I suspect he might just be thinking it's time to focus everything on stage wins again.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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Riding with a bad wrist over cobbles is going to be absolutely miserable.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [RoYe] [ In reply to ]
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RoYe wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Now if merida had a sky like presence, i think merida sales would increase.

I must confess that locally, here in the Toronto area, I do see more than a few Pinerello's. Although they tend to be under, riders who would appear to be very well off financially. I higher-end customer if you will.


Merida is an interesting example.....their distribution is very scattered. They have a European presence, but are non-existant in North America (dunno about OZ) and have a very strong Asian presence. While I have never had this confirmed, I believe their lack of NA distrobution is mostly due to the fact that they don't want to compete directly with their customers. They are primarily an OEM supplier and a brand second.

Too often we gauge the return of sponsorship based on our NA view of things......


Correct. Merida [arguably the worlds second largest bike co.] owns 49% of Spesh, and doesn't need to compete with itself in the NA market.

But even before they owned 49% of Specialized, they had no interest in the NA market.

Outside of Specialized, I'm not certain who they are building bikes for in the US anymore.....they used to have a fair amount of trek's business, as well as Schwinn's among several smaller brands.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [cartsman] [ In reply to ]
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I definitely think he can match Kittel next year - he'll be hugely motivated to get himself back on top after 3 relatively poor Tours in a row and he's got one of the smartest tactical brains in the peloton so am sure he'll be working on strategies to combat Kittel's outright speed. I remember a few years back Cav saying he'd deliberately sacrificed some top-end speed to become more of an all-rounder who could to compete for points jerseys and in one-day races such as the World Champs and Olympics. That was at a time when he was winning Tour stages for fun (20 in 4 years) and was being accused of being a one trick pony - having now won a World Champs and the points jersey in all 3 Grand Tours and after "only" winning 5 Tour stages in the last 3 years I suspect he might just be thinking it's time to focus everything on stage wins again.

But there is no cure for Cav's sprinticuscontactuscrashitis.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [USCoregonian] [ In reply to ]
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No doubt about that, today was probably the worst possible time for Froome to go down. Will be really interesting to see if he can get through tomorrow, and if the GC teams even contribute to making the stage as hard as possible.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
No doubt about that, today was probably the worst possible time for Froome to go down. Will be really interesting to see if he can get through tomorrow, and if the GC teams even contribute to making the stage as hard as possible.

I think Nibbles and Conti will be killing it so hard



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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [jackmott] [ In reply to ]
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jackmott wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
No doubt about that, today was probably the worst possible time for Froome to go down. Will be really interesting to see if he can get through tomorrow, and if the GC teams even contribute to making the stage as hard as possible.


I think Nibbles and Conti will be killing it so hard

Yup, they have a really good shot to put time on Froome. He's no Wiggo on the cobbles for sure......
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [ridenfish39] [ In reply to ]
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ridenfish39 wrote:
jackmott wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
No doubt about that, today was probably the worst possible time for Froome to go down. Will be really interesting to see if he can get through tomorrow, and if the GC teams even contribute to making the stage as hard as possible.


I think Nibbles and Conti will be killing it so hard


Yup, they have a really good shot to put time on Froome. He's no Wiggo on the cobbles for sure......

With all that staring at his stem, he's almost certain to crash...never going to see the pesky cobbles that are popped up higher than the others. They may have to run MTN bike tires on his bike to try to make up for the stem staring
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
No doubt about that, today was probably the worst possible time for Froome to go down. Will be really interesting to see if he can get through tomorrow, and if the GC teams even contribute to making the stage as hard as possible.

Did he lose any time?

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [ridenfish39] [ In reply to ]
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Any of the contenders could crash and end their Tour tomorrow, especially if they get overly ambitious and try to play with the big boys.

If the Wiggo decision kept Brailsford awake last week, today he's lamenting wtf he was thinking listening to Froome on team selection.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Any of the contenders could crash and end their Tour tomorrow, especially if they get overly ambitious and try to play with the big boys.


Indeed.


It will be an interesting day tomorrow - that's for sure.


There is going to be offense and their is going to be those on the defensive - possibly with some major time losses.


Cancellara for the win and Sagan in Yellow, when the dust settles.


As for Sky/Froome - could be a very challenging day for them. They have some guys like Bernie Eisel, who are at home in this sort of stuff, but can Froome keep up? What shape is he in after todays tumble?


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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Weather is going to suck. GC guys will sit in, survive, limit damage, the pounders will pound it looking for the stage win.
But then......GC guy attacks GC group, a la Niboli, in an attempt to pick up some time.
Going to be fun, in most any scenario.

Also, while not a Sky fan, Froome is one tough, mean, competitive bwana. He will hang in and then some.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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The smart play for GC guys is to agree to not got ape-sh*t, let the classics beasts do their thing on cobbles, and get through it in one piece. But hard to see that happening. Throw a Belgian in the mix plus chance to give Froome a kicking and all bets are off.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I hear selfies are an obstacle to look out for!

http://www.cnn.com/...index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Some of the comments at the bottom of the page made me LOL:

--- Just hash tag #selfiefail when you get run over by a cyclist, so the rest of us can see what a tool you are.
--- Or when a cyclist pimp slaps a person as they drive by. #roadrage #tourdeforce
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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The smart play for GC guys is to agree to not got ape-sh*t, let the classics beasts do their thing on cobbles, and get through it in one piece. But hard to see that happening. Throw a Belgian in the mix plus chance to give Froome a kicking and all bets are off.

Agreed.

Crowds will be HUGE. Emotions will be running high. If time can be gained, for a lower ranking GC guy, then why not have a go at it - I am thinking of a cagey vet here like a Valverde or a Dutch or Belgian rider( home turf for them). There may be some detente to start, but I am guessing when the race breaks wide open, all that will go out the window!


They are already talking this up like a big mountain stage - Phil & Paul going so far today to call it, "The Queen stage of the first week of the Tour"!


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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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I'm hoping some of the GC guys actually attack. They'll know Froome will put time on them in the ITT and possibly the mountains so if they have the guts and the skill I hope some try to put time on the others who wants to play it safe. FC or Sep VM for the win and maybe Sagan/GVA for the Yellow.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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Timtek wrote:
But there is no cure for Cav's sprinticuscontactuscrashitis.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
The smart play for GC guys is to agree to not got ape-sh*t, let the classics beasts do their thing on cobbles, and get through it in one piece. But hard to see that happening. Throw a Belgian in the mix plus chance to give Froome a kicking and all bets are off.

I think Froome's injury could cause some GC teams to change their plans. Even if they do not gain any time on Froome, they will have in the back of their mind, "I am feeling pretty miserable, but at least I know Froome is feeling worse, so lets get more miserable." It is maybe a bit too predictable for Garmin to be unpredictable, since it makes sense for a GC guy like Talansky that is not quite at Contatodor/Froome level to use this sort of stage to get time to use this sort of chaos to grab time, so I think people will be watching Garmin. I would love for BMC to realize they are not Sky and do something unexpected.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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I think you're right about BMC: they have GvA, Schar and Burghardt at the ready to make a move with Tejay. Arguably the best GC group for tomorrow
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Really excited for tomorrow! Maybe Tony Martin could be a darkhorse. He has the power but hasn't been interested in the cobbles in the past.
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