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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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FC also packed up and headed home as prep for Worlds, which makes the ITT a foregone conclusion--sans a crash. I can't remember a Tour where so many top names are out this early.

GC is Nibali's to lose, Sagan has points lead consolidated (baring a crash), field sprints are way less of a contest without Cav, and now the TT's not likely to be much of one either. Only half way and the Tour went from looking like of the best ever to snoozer.

No schitt......in the blink of an eye, the biggest race of the year has basically become a promenade. Watch for more and more breakaways to succeed as there is little impetus for Astana to waste energy chasing and nobody will want to help Giant - Shimano chase, only to set up Kittel.

It is really too bad for Nibali.....he'll win this Tour (barring catastrophe), but it will be noted as one of opportunity rather than ability.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Just a general comment, not an answer to any post.

Can NBCSN please give us some new commentators. Or offer a second screen offer like many countries do.
The two commentators are not updated and do not pay attention to what is happening during the stage.
This has nothing to do with age, my favorite cycling commentator is over 70. They are just not up to the game anymore.

I agree with you. Bob Roll and Christian VDV are pretty good. Paul isn't really that bad, pretty good a matter of fact. Phil on the other hand.....not so good. He's always referring to the wrong riders, not sure if it's a replay that he's seeing, can't figure out if people are going off the front or falling back. The big kicker for me was the other day when Astana gave up the yellow jersey, the had people working for NBCSN talk to team Astana and confirm that they would sacrifice the yellow jersey, yet Phil still said over and over again that they "lost" the yellow jersey, and had it taken away from them.

With that said. I still enjoy watching on my tv in HD. I could watch on my computer and check out Eurosport, or hook my computer up to my tv. But the picture quality wouldn't be that good. Part of that is also Im not too tech savvy. In fact I can only find slowtwich and porn on this thing

Wait, what? You say that as if there's something else we're missing...?
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
FC also packed up and headed home as prep for Worlds, which makes the ITT a foregone conclusion--sans a crash. I can't remember a Tour where so many top names are out this early.

GC is Nibali's to lose, Sagan has points lead consolidated (baring a crash), field sprints are way less of a contest without Cav, and now the TT's not likely to be much of one either. Only half way and the Tour went from looking like of the best ever to snoozer.


No schitt......in the blink of an eye, the biggest race of the year has basically become a promenade. Watch for more and more breakaways to succeed as there is little impetus for Astana to waste energy chasing and nobody will want to help Giant - Shimano chase, only to set up Kittel.

It is really too bad for Nibali.....he'll win this Tour (barring catastrophe), but it will be noted as one of opportunity rather than ability.


Meh...no big deal. There have been plenty of good bike races and stage races so far this year, and still a few more to go. I feel sorry for the people who think the TdF is the only bike race of the year as that would truly be disappointing.

I also would feel bad for those who think the TdF is all about the yellow jersey...there are plenty of epic stages left where guys can go for glory...even if it's guys that most casual fans have never heard of.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [vecchia capra] [ In reply to ]
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vecchia capra wrote:
monty wrote:
Today Nibali showed the dominance he had at last year's Giro. Unless he crashes, this one's over. //

And how did that give the yellow to some other team so they can do all the grunt chasing work out for ya?? His team was front and center even though he gave up the yellow yesterday, and i think i could feel him saying WTF and just get it back since we have to do the work to protect it or his place either way. I agree at this point it is his to lose, no one showing they can climb with him except of course the guy that just quit the tour.


You know who has really stepped up is Porte. Guy hired to be second banana and now kicking all the other captains asses. If one assumes that each team had a top GC guy, then he is doing about 15 places better than he should be, and not counting all the other LT's on the other teams too..I like his chances for a podium..


Astana didn't start to lead the peloton until after Contador crashed and changed dynamic of the race. With Contador gone, the fact that Kwiatkowski was way up front became more important so Astana started to chase the breakaway.

Astana was on the chase for Kwiatkowski before Contador crashed. It's specifically why the commentators were saying that it was a bad time for a major GC threat to go down because the peloton would not wait for him. This was being discussed immediately after he went down...several minutes before Contador even tried to get back on his bike. There is no way that Astana made the decision to chase Kwiatkowski after news got out that Contador had abandoned. Chris Horner or Lampre and Geraint Thomas of Sky didn't even know Contador had abandoned until they were told by the people interviewing them after the stage. They simply thought he lost time.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.


I don't see at as disappointing at all. In fact, it's been one of the more exciting tours so far. Relative parity, aggressive racing, some incredible performances, some spectacular failures.

Why would the next 3 weeks be disappointing? It takes one bad day of nutrition, a mechanical at the wrong time, a dog, a pothole, an idiot waving a flag or taking a selfie, a gorilla pacing someone up the hill for things to not go according to Nibali's plan, Sagan's plan, or pick your jersey. Not to mention there's Alps and Pyrenees still to come.

If you view it from the favorite's seat at the moment, it could be a snoozer. But before today, I'm pretty sure Contador thought that same thing, as did Froome. And there are 10+ days of racing left.

I'm not disappointed. I think there's more fun to be had.



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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Rick in the D] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed. The dramatic withdrawals of Froome and Contador count as exciting for me rather than disappointing. It's made for great viewing so far and I don't think that will change.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.

Exactly. Sure, catastrophe could hit at any moment (as it has throughout this Tour), but that just goes to underlie the point we are making.

The major competitions (yellow, green and arguably the mailot pois) are pretty much locked up. All that is left are stage wins and the white jersey. And the stage wins are gonna be contested by long breakaways that succeed because the main bunch doesn't really care that much once they are established.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.

I get your point...it does bring in the strongest field compared to other races, but it's not like everyone is "all in" for the tour. If they were, then Quintana, Hesjedal, Evans, Wiggins, Uran, Pozzovivo, etc.

It does suck that we're not going to get to see some big hitters racing for the one grand tour they were focusing on all year...but it's not the end of the world. I know you know that...I just get the feeling from others (not necessarily in this thread...but on FB, etc) that it seems like the whole cycling season is a catastrophe now.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Ancillary thought to the above......the best racing for the remainder of the Tour is likely to be in the first 10K of each stage as a break tries to establish itself. IN that sense, I am gald that NBC Sports is showing every stage form start-to-finish!! Wink

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Jason N] [ In reply to ]
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Other than Quintana and Uran, none of those guys would have done more than play a support role. And for the former, the Giro was a leadership learning opportunity, which worked pretty well for Nibali's trajectory.

Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree that the Tour is just one race. Frankly, as far as GTs go the Giro and Vuelta--especially the Vuelta this year--tend to be more wide open and less scripted, and thus more fun to watch. But they also lack the collective talent that shows up in July.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Ancillary thought to the above......the best racing for the remainder of the Tour is likely to be in the first 10K of each stage as a break tries to establish itself. IN that sense, I am gald that NBC Sports is showing every stage form start-to-finish!! Wink

I don't think it is everyday, they get the footage from someone else and it is that group that decides when the coverage starts, not NBC.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, bummer to see the other favorites out. But I'll keep watching because,
A. The jour sans. The juicer peloton just didn't have those days. They'd juice right through. When Nibs has that day, and I believe he will, it'll be fun- for everyone but him.
B. The little Tasmanian is aggressive. Will be fun to see what he's got.
C. I'm bored at work.
D. Sagan. Dude is a clown.
E. I hate my job.
F. Podium girls.
G. Phil and Paul. Not really, but they've upped their game a bit and I'm going to cut them some slack.
H. Ben King
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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chaparral wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Ancillary thought to the above......the best racing for the remainder of the Tour is likely to be in the first 10K of each stage as a break tries to establish itself. IN that sense, I am gald that NBC Sports is showing every stage form start-to-finish!! Wink


I don't think it is everyday, they get the footage from someone else and it is that group that decides when the coverage starts, not NBC.

Could be...... I was out of town from Fri - Mon and didn't watch any coverage, but all the stages I have seen so far have been shown from the start of the stage.

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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.


Exactly. Sure, catastrophe could hit at any moment (as it has throughout this Tour), but that just goes to underlie the point we are making.

The major competitions (yellow, green and arguably the mailot pois) are pretty much locked up. All that is left are stage wins and the white jersey. And the stage wins are gonna be contested by long breakaways that succeed because the main bunch doesn't really care that much once they are established.

I wouldn't say the Yellow Jersey is "locked up" at this point. We haven't even hit the Pyrenees or the Alps yet. If Nibali has one bad day in the mountains, the 2:30 or so that he has over Porte and Valverde could disappear pretty quickly. This could be one of the most wide open Tours in recent history. I'm sure we'll have plenty of guys that are 5-10 minutes out of GC trying to go on long breakaways (like Kwiatkowski yesterday), which will force everybody else with GC intentions to chase and chase hard.

On a different note, does anybody know whether Tiago Machado made the time cut yesterday? I know that he finished the stage and initially the tour organizers were tweeting that he was cut due to time, but that tweet disappeared. Heck, with stories like that, the Tour will never be boring.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Sadly, it won't be exciting anymore for me. It was disappointing when Vroome got injured, now AC is out too. It's the shark to lose now, I guess I'll have to follow the Vuelta seeing as I didn't get my TdF fix this year, as long as Froome, AC and Quintana is confirmed to ride it. Do they even show the Vuelta in the US? Or we have to rely on EuroSport for video coverage?
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [flyrunride] [ In reply to ]
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Sadly, it won't be exciting anymore for me. It was disappointing when Vroome got injured, now AC is out too. It's the shark to lose now, I guess I'll have to follow the Vuelta seeing as I didn't get my TdF fix this year, as long as Froome, AC and Quintana is confirmed to ride it. Do they even show the Vuelta in the US? Or we have to rely on EuroSport for video coverage?

AC needs surgery. Highly doubt he bounces back from a broken leg in one month. Vuelta is available on Universal Sports. Time Warner finally picked up the channel last year I think.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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D. - did you see his no-hands wheelie near finish line yesterday? That is freaky talented.
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Re: TdF (Tour de France) 2014 Thread [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:
There have been many great races and more ahead, but that's not the point. The Tour is the one circled on everyone's calendar and brings out the most fierce competition. The Ronde and P-R might be the best test of strongmen, Ardennes the all-arounders, and so on, but at no other race is the collection of talent so great. That's why it's disappointing.


Exactly. Sure, catastrophe could hit at any moment (as it has throughout this Tour), but that just goes to underlie the point we are making.

The major competitions (yellow, green and arguably the mailot pois) are pretty much locked up. All that is left are stage wins and the white jersey. And the stage wins are gonna be contested by long breakaways that succeed because the main bunch doesn't really care that much once they are established.


I wouldn't say the Yellow Jersey is "locked up" at this point. We haven't even hit the Pyrenees or the Alps yet. If Nibali has one bad day in the mountains, the 2:30 or so that he has over Porte and Valverde could disappear pretty quickly. This could be one of the most wide open Tours in recent history. I'm sure we'll have plenty of guys that are 5-10 minutes out of GC trying to go on long breakaways (like Kwiatkowski yesterday), which will force everybody else with GC intentions to chase and chase hard.

On a different note, does anybody know whether Tiago Machado made the time cut yesterday? I know that he finished the stage and initially the tour organizers were tweeting that he was cut due to time, but that tweet disappeared. Heck, with stories like that, the Tour will never be boring.

Machado was put into an ambulance and he refused to quit, got out and rode his bike to the finish, arriving after the time limit. ASO was so impressed by his courage that it issued an exemption and kept him and team mate Andreas Schillinger who rode with him in the race according to Team Net App.
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I wouldn't say the Yellow Jersey is "locked up" at this point. We haven't even hit the Pyrenees or the Alps yet. If Nibali has one bad day in the mountains, the 2:30 or so that he has over Porte and Valverde could disappear pretty quickly. This could be one of the most wide open Tours in recent history. I'm sure we'll have plenty of guys that are 5-10 minutes out of GC trying to go on long breakaways (like Kwiatkowski yesterday), which will force everybody else with GC intentions to chase and chase hard.

x2. Nibbles having a bad day is a bit of a long shot as he's looking awfully strong, but you never know - a cold or some bad supper get him sick, a moment of inattention cause a crash... He was leading the Giro until the penultimate day, when Ryder Hesdjal over-took him in the TT.

The contenders can allow guys like Kwiatkowski, Gallopin, etc. to go because its known they will lose big chunks of time once the really big mountains come. Kwiatkowski is a great rider... as long as the road is not heading a Cat1 or HC climb.

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craigj532 wrote:

I wouldn't say the Yellow Jersey is "locked up" at this point. We haven't even hit the Pyrenees or the Alps yet. If Nibali has one bad day in the mountains, the 2:30 or so that he has over Porte and Valverde could disappear pretty quickly. This could be one of the most wide open Tours in recent history. I'm sure we'll have plenty of guys that are 5-10 minutes out of GC trying to go on long breakaways (like Kwiatkowski yesterday), which will force everybody else with GC intentions to chase and chase hard.


x2. Nibbles having a bad day is a bit of a long shot as he's looking awfully strong, but you never know - a cold or some bad supper get him sick, a moment of inattention cause a crash... He was leading the Giro until the penultimate day, when Ryder Hesdjal over-took him in the TT.

The contenders can allow guys like Kwiatkowski, Gallopin, etc. to go because its known they will lose big chunks of time once the really big mountains come. Kwiatkowski is a great rider... as long as the road is not heading a Cat1 or HC climb.

Haven't both Carl and I said "barring catastrophe"? Of course Nibali could crash, or get sick or whatever.....If. Dog. Rabbit.......which as I stated before, just underlines the point we are making. It is HIS Tour to lose now. Those that are even close to him are not really Tour contenders. You could make a case for Porte having the potential, but history has shown that he lacks the constitution for a 3 week race. In the meantime, Nibali has won both the Vuelta and the Giro.

What did Kwiatkowski get for yesterday's efforts? More lost time and handing over the maillot blanc. Don't look for him to repeat that move anytime soon....and other riders will have taken note of how strong Astana was in bringing him back.

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D. - did you see his no-hands wheelie near finish line yesterday? That is freaky talented.

I saw the pic. Did a double take. Crazy.
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Carl Spackler wrote:
D. - did you see his no-hands wheelie near finish line yesterday? That is freaky talented.


I saw the pic. Did a double take. Crazy.

Seen him do a 1 handed wheelie in Montreal last year...after a 6km all out TT effort to ride away from a late breakaway to win the race. Dude's nuts!
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Phil and Paul. Not really, but they've upped their game a bit and I'm going to cut them some slack.

Indeed - On the feed we are getting here in Canada, there is an Australian who's been doing some of the early part of the stage coverage before Phil & Paul take over, and then the wrap-up at the end. He's been VERY good.

I sense he may be a former Pro based on his intimate knowledge. Does anyone know who that is? I've never caught his name.


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