wow that's a lot of he said she said...

It is strange though that the bike that came off the roof in the collision of the cars was again Contador's bike and not one of the other ten bikes on the roof.

Usually the bikes that are kept in the more accessible positions are those of the more important riders and those positions are obviously on the outer edge of the bike rack.

Good point! Probably just a lot of bad luck all at once for him. At least he didn't need it!

Astana could have got away with giving up the jersey if Kwiatkowski wasn't in the break. Lotto wasn't going to chase him down, but if the break didn't have any GC threats, then it's possible they could have let the break go, Nibali attacks the last climb but not enough win the stage or regain the yellow...then Lotto is responsible for going to the front on stages 11 and 12. //

That was kind of my point, he did get into the break, they let him get into the break, and then they had to chase it down even though they were not protecting the yellow. When you have a rider you expect to win at the end you pretty much have to defend for that rider against a lot of different scenarios, so may as well keep the jersey. I think after 1/2 of one day they figured that out, and will not let it go again. It may be taken, but my guess they will defend to the end now.

can someone explain what this chart is, for us dumbasses?

thx

Contador is pretty bad ass to ride that far after suffering a broken leg, could you imagine an athlete from any other sport do that? there are a few but not a lot

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What's up with the Moto cameraman following contador in the car? Watched part of the live feed this morning, as he takes off after the tinkhoff car, holds his hand out, thumb up, ok sign, shaking a fist in victory it seems. Very animated and obviously happy that contador is out.

Watching the recorded feed after work , they show a little of that, but only the thumbs up and ok sign, then fades to different scene. What's up with that? France 3 happy he's out? Not like it puts a Frenchman anywhere near being able to win (unless he thought gallopin had a snowballs chance.....)

No, Cav is weak mentally and he proved he can't take the pressure of possibly losing. He's a head case. ( And he uses it to knock people over ) Kittle would have crushed him.

Just a general comment, not an answer to any post.

Can NBCSN please give us some new commentators. Or offer a second screen offer like many countries do.
The two commentators are not updated and do not pay attention to what is happening during the stage.
This has nothing to do with age, my favorite cycling commentator is over 70. They are just not up to the game anymore.

I noticed that as well when watching. Seemed really odd in the sense that is the first time I've ever seen the camera man make any type of hand gesture during a race that's trying to communicate something to the viewing audience or the commentators. A bit puzzling what he was trying to imply...maybe he should have just stuck the middle finger?

Yeah...you're right that Astana never should have let Kwiatkowski go to begin with if their goal was not to lead any chasing today or later in the week. I didn't watch how the break actually formed so it's hard to say if it was easily preventable or not.

That said, it's also possible that Astana and Nibali purposely gave up yellow yesterday (by not chasing the break) just so that he and his team could be fresh today...knowing this may be a good stage to put more time on his main GC competitors.

It was the UCIs "index of suspicion" : http://www.velonation.com/...-Tour-de-France.aspx

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Its pro cycling...shouldn't everyone be a 10?

Sprinters crash, it comes with the job description. If you think that any sprinter with the palmares that Cav has (43 Grand Tour wins) is "mentally weak" then you clearly have absolutely no idea what is involved in competing in a group sprint at the pro level. Kittel may or may not have beaten him, but I'd have been very surprised if Cav hadn't managed to poach at least a few wins. I just hope we get to see them both fit and in form duking it out at next year's Tour.

Chris Horner at zero.
We can all sleep easy. UCI is on the job.

Right alongside Michael Barry and Dave Zabriskie...

I agree with you. Bob Roll and Christian VDV are pretty good. Paul isn't really that bad, pretty good a matter of fact. Phil on the other hand.....not so good. He's always referring to the wrong riders, not sure if it's a replay that he's seeing, can't figure out if people are going off the front or falling back. The big kicker for me was the other day when Astana gave up the yellow jersey, the had people working for NBCSN talk to team Astana and confirm that they would sacrifice the yellow jersey, yet Phil still said over and over again that they "lost" the yellow jersey, and had it taken away from them.

With that said. I still enjoy watching on my tv in HD. I could watch on my computer and check out Eurosport, or hook my computer up to my tv. But the picture quality wouldn't be that good. Part of that is also Im not too tech savvy. In fact I can only find slowtwich and porn on this thing

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Nobody pays attention to Phil to find out what's going on in the race. We all listen intently to Phil for his Liggetisms

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In the original broadcast the motorcycle (not sure if it was the cameraman or rider) man was wearing a Team Astana glove when he was giving those gestures, showing the team logo on the back of the glove and then giving the thumbs up and OK sign. Pretty sure he was indicating that Contador's withdrawal was good news for Astana/Nibali. I was a little taken aback by his jubilation at Contador's predicament although at that stage he probably wasn't aware of the broken tibia.

Astana didn't start to lead the peloton until after Contador crashed and changed dynamic of the race. With Contador gone, the fact that Kwiatkowski was way up front became more important so Astana started to chase the breakaway.

I agree that Porte is looking good, but I also like T.J. who is getting stronger after his earlier crashes. I don't think that either of them can beat Nibali, but the changed dynamic will be well thought out in todays rest day and we will have a new tour on Wednesday that may just change how several teams think about their chances.

I saw that as well. Definitely a "things that make you go hmmmmm" moment.

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I like Christian VDV think he is doing a real good job

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I agree. I think him and Bob Roll are head and shoulders above the rest. As far as I know this is VDV's first analyst job. With that in mind, it makes just how good of a job he is doing even more impressive

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FC also packed up and headed home as prep for Worlds, which makes the ITT a foregone conclusion--sans a crash. I can't remember a Tour where so many top names are out this early.

GC is Nibali's to lose, Sagan has points lead consolidated (baring a crash), field sprints are way less of a contest without Cav, and now the TT's not likely to be much of one either. Only half way and the Tour went from looking like of the best ever to snoozer.