Hah I'm not actually upset nor holding onto it. Emotion is not easily conveyed via text and that was meant to be tongue in cheek. It is what it is, I made a call based on my perception of the situation and it looks like I was wrong given my lack of swimming experience. Onto the next one...

It was a 3x300 continuous (whatever that means) with each 300 stronger than the first. Next was 16x25 sprint which in my opinion is not very conducive to circle swim. I'll just join the crew next time.

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2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8

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Yes, this is me. And because swimming is my glaring weakness, I try to do exactly what coach prescribes. But I also realize that swimming in a group may help me more than following a strict regimen. Not knowing how to flip turn has keep me from joining, but I'll just join next time with open turns and dolphin kick.

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2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8

Doing a 900 yard repeat ruined his workout IMO...

OP 3x300 is fine...

But this is better

300 rest 30"
8x25 fast @ 30-45" pick a send off that gives you about 10" rest

Do the whole thing 3x. Far more effective...

Texas distance group does this set:

300 cruise
8x50 at 1650/1500 pace
^3x

300 cruise
4x50 at 200 pace
^3x

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Coolness. :)

Continuous just means don't stop at the walls until you're done. 25s sprint are totally doable in circle swim, they are just a bit messy. And an opportunity to practice mass swimming dynamics (bumping and grinding). Real swim practice is a lot like basketball or cycling in a pack - there's gonna be some crowding and contact. Don't be afraid of it, it's rarely causes a real problem. If you bump somebody, just say sorry and keep going. 99% of the time it just motivates the non-serious swimmers to pick another lane, which benefits you anyway, so go for it.

Say you're doing your sprint and you start to swing around the person in front of you. Another person is coming the other way! Either really punch it hard to get around the guy (good practice) or dive down deeper and go under the person coming at you, popping back up after he's passed (good practice). And to do this, you gotta keep your eye on who is where, which is also good practice for race day. After about 2 or 3 of these, that new person that joined your lane may say F-this and pick another lane. But now that's HIS choice and he's not as upset at the RudeDude. :)

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BTW why such a random interval? 900 yards? //

That was the giveaway that this is really a Somalian scam. You know those emails you get that have misspelled words, or the language is used wrong, or it begins with Dear Sir? There is no coach dead or alive(swimming wise) that gives out 900 swims, unless it is in the middle of some up or down ladder. This entire episode either did not happen, he does not really have a coach, or said coach is his brother in-law who never swam a lap in his life.. I call bullshit..


And if it did happen as described, dude needs to learn the etiquette of crowded pools. When you are the last lane splitting and someone else gets in, you circle. At that point I would look around and rearrange the lanes a bit to make sure I was swimming with the more proficient swimmers, but that would be about it...

Try this - One flip turn per every 4 turns. That'll get you some practice without exhausting you. Then after a few practices, bump up your game to occasionally doing one every other turn. After you got that down, Then doing them for all turns on easier sets. Then upgrade to all the time. Should take about a month. Then you are rockin' like Dokken.

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When all else fails, swim butterfly.

Good advice. I don't mind the bump and grind at all since that is like race day, but other folks may get annoyed. As you say, it would be his choice to peace my barbaric lane.

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2017 races: St. George 70.3 May 6 | Madison 70.3 June 11 | IM Zurich July 30 | Chicago Marathon October 8

I asked a question about etiquette and you say dude needs to learn etiquette. Thanks! And yes, that was truly a workout from my real coach who I pay (3x300 continuous pull).

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Can you not work out for yourself that you don't own the pool and can't tell people not to swim in a lane with you?

They probably wanted to let you know that they were getting in, but got sick of waiting for your 900y interval to end.

And yes, that was truly a workout from my real coach who I pay (3x300 continuous pull). //

You are killing me dude, 3X300 continuous pull!!!! How is that different than a 900 straight pull? This really has to be a scam now...


Just breaking your balls a bit, but not about these two sets you put forth, something fishy there...No coach dead, alive, or yet to be born would ever write 3X300 continuous pull...

Yup. Lots of body language available to send the message you intend to use your lane to the full extent possible. Reminds me of this -

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Didja get a trucker hat, too?

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mostly true. I can think of one workout recently where I was doing all out 25s and 50s so if I was circle swimming with someone that could get annoying for them if I was constantly coming up behind them. Of course, being how slow I am, with my all outs they would still be coming up on my heels with their normal pace. ;) luckily at my pool I mostly have a lane to myself and if I am circle swimming with somebody I'll just adjust my workout if I think it's going to end up being an annoyance.

Heh I deserve to be razzed for my poor etiquette, but coach is legit.

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Now, I hate to jump in uninvited and all, but I also have an etiquette question. I am spoiled as I rarely have to circle swim. I have AOS, but I've been in and out of the pool for about 4 years and never run into outright hostility.

During a busy circle swim in an outdoor 50-yd pool last summer I passed another swimmer who felt I'd come too close to her so she punched me and took a swipe at my leg as I went by. I really honestly didn't feel I was that close---but I was avoiding oncoming traffic as much as her when I made my pass. There is no question about her sincerity. She yelled at me for a while at the far end, and by that point I wasn't going to apologize. I pointed out that it was really busy that day as there were probably twelve people in the lane (which was kind of two regular lanes merged) although only maybe 7 or 8 were actually swimming at any one time. I steered around her most of the rest of the morning until I again had to pass her, and which point she grabbed at my leg again. I suggested that she could try moving over to the right a little given the crowd. More yelling, to general amusement. The most I heard from anyone else was "Saturday mornings get weird."

Again, no doubt she was sincere. Far as I know she didn't yell at anyone else but me. That day, and any other day, no one else I passed seemed concerned by my passing methods or how I got out of the way as they came by.

Question is: How close is too close? I try to pass with minimal kick and to pass wide enough to avoid contact, but not much further. Shouldn't slower traffic move right a little?

I don't think so...and we are on to you. Admit it now before it gets (really) weird. You made this all up, didn't you?

Close enough to not make contact. Somewhat depends on who is coming the other way.

Her problem was that you were just close and there was no contact ? That caused her to punch you? I'd chalk that up to she's crazy.

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*If* circle swim for lanes with more than two swimmers is the rule of the pool (and it seems to be the case, since you mentioned that a few other lanes had circle swimmers in it) - then, yes, you were wrong. If I was the other guy I would have ignored your special demand, since I'm paying the same amount of money as everyone else to use the pool and started circle swimming. You can then circle swim or collide with me and ruin your special 900 pull.

I get it, circle swimming sucks - especially when you have to share with johnny-wide-stroke, and grandma slowpoke. We've all been there. But, they pay the same amount to swim as you and I and believe it or not their workout is equally important as yours and mine.

Frank

Yup I was just lonely and wanted the attention.

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She was clearly just flirting

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you were fine. she sounds like a psycho. if she doesn't want you passing her, just tap at her toes constantly until she lets you pass. other options are to do kick behind her or turn early at the wall.

That's fine if you personally own the pool. Otherwise, it's disrespectful to the 99% of swimmers who have cracked the code of how to fit more than 2 people in a lane.

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