This is classic ST… “you’re wrong, but let me tell you how I do exactly what you do because it’s right”. Same thing happened in the 200/100 thread with some 13x/wk runner.

Perhaps the injury risk is not associated with running per se but rather associated with being in a cult to some extent or degree… believing the stories you tell yourself.

“Things that cause injury are out of my control, things that don’t are good choices because of my sharp intellect and handsomeness”.

Vs.

“Things that cause injury are within my control, I can make good choices because of my intellect and good looks. Things that don’t cause injury, or cause no injuries, are out of my control.”

I like my cult better.

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200/100 was last year, this year we are on to 300/100.

I’m beginning to think running does not in fact cause injury, just by the type and caliber of responses here. Why are we even talking about injury on this thread? Running is effing cool and fun and fun makes you feel good. I’m not hurt, I’m not even tired. If people have a question, ask it, this is an AMA thread. If people are coming here to talk about themselves and tell how running causes injury they can go start their own thread.

Maybe *people* cause injury, because they make bad choices like ramping too steep, not eating enough, not running easy, or not doing BarryP style governing of the long run distance %. Also taking bad advice from hobby joggers ;)

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That was not my point at all. I did not assert that things that cause injury are out of anyone's control, nor would I assert that my handsomeness (or the the lack of) has anything to do with anything, or any alleged sharp intellect for that matter, either.

My first point was that lots of people get injured running--ergo, there's a reason for a fuss. Its easier in running to do the wrong things---knowingly and unknowingly. Nor was I asserting that *you* weren't doing things right. Quite the contrary.

There are things that most know (or should know) to control, but often don't: frequency, consistency, intensity, and rate of build up...all the things you've pointed out in this and other threads. I completely agree with all those---and likewise make the same points. My own training in 2020 looks nearly identical to what you described above. 13-15 runs per week. With runs of 6-20 miles, and super easy pace (~9mpm with a sub-20 5k the same year). Likewise, I built up to that over a period of ~3 years (from 40mpw in 2018, to 70 mpw in 2019, to 90 - 100 mpw in 2020).

My only point with my anecdote was to compare it with your squats...to say, that I agree that is also a part of what you are doing right. And, that is a less widely understood thing that people can control. I did not (and would not) suggest that squats / hip stabilizer work / etc replaces the other training variables. It all adds up. But, I DO think that mileage amplifies the risks from BAD mechanics.

what are the most common injuries though? I mean, obviously I can think it through but I'm interested to hear others' experiences. I'm not likely to pull a muscle or strain anything if I'm controlling my intensity. Sure, if I add track workouts when I'm tired and try to force a pace that I shouldn't, I could pull a hammy, but in general as Eric is saying, what's the likely injury going to be?

Common sense is not so common, but unless I step off a curb wrong (and that will happen anyway), I don't see how my risk goes up from doing it every day.

Several things that Eric has said in a few different posts imo are gold that many more could get value in and stay less injured:

-easy easy running (I'm just glad he didn't call it slow)

-leaving a couple of intervals in the tank (this is likely the most important with people "reaching" to do "just 1 more hard interval...my coach said to do 8 so i must do 8 line of thinking).

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Let’s steelman my thesis… what must I and my coach be doing right? “Be a mutant” or “be lucky” is not an answer. Make me a list.

Conversely, if running doesn’t cause injury, what does? You could steelman a list there as well.

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I think your risk goes down the more you do it, hence the 200/100 and 300/100 challenges.

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Elon Musk, hero or villain?

How is your swimming and cycling fitness these days?

there are a myriad of soft tissue overuse injuries that can come on slowly but once they are present they don't go away without time off and recuperation.

the returns are hugely diminishing though, running that much "easy." renato canova believes the break point for inducing gain from mostly easy/aerobic running is at something around 70mi/week and to produce tangible benefits beyond that one must go to absurd mileage (like 150).

running 118mi/week easy is just a colossal waste of time other than as an experiment and a badge of honor.

My personal experience, and from helping others over the last 30 years....the most common injuries are over-use types of injuries--things due to repetitive stresses. IT Band syndrome, Patellar tendonitis, patella-femoral syndrome, Achilles tendonitis, plantar fasciitis, posterior tibialis tendonitis, peroneal tendonitis, and morton's neruoma. Other than PFS and neuromas, these are all tendonitis' to various tendons from the hip to the ankle. By definition these are caused by small stresses that build up over time.

I agree that acute type injuries (pulled muscles, sprained ankles) likely don't increase in probably, and may decrease from strengthening, and experience or other factors.

Do you go to the Lavender Room?

Based on my comments about the nature of reality with regard to running 100mpw or the cult of Lionel Sanders or the wind tunnel tested fastest bike which I ride because of data here on this forum for a few examples, you should know my answer.

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Non existent.

OTOH, I thought I would not be able to swim any more but I jumped in recently and did and easy first 50 and it was :35, same as when I was a 58:30 IM swimmer, so it’s still in there.

When I finish with this running experiment here in December at Kiawah or maybe my local 26.2 loop in March I plan to target the 2023 IMFL.

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I agree with Renato except that 70mpw was the big waste of time for my physiology and phenotype.

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Counterpoint, I’m not getting injured, I’m not even tired. Why would that be?

You would think that you would ask a question on an AMA thread.

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well his point was that you then inject pace/quality into your week. i can't imagine you're doing any hard work at 120mi / 16hrs of running per week. You'd be totally thrashed. What's your 10 week average?

Last 10 weeks is probably at 100 except for a dip to do a mini taper for a local half marathon… it’s in the OP. Before that was a year of 70mpw. Before THAT was a year of nothing. You know the rest before that.

That’s exactly my point about intensity…. Track Tuesday, tempo Thursday, some quality in the long run Sunday. The other TEN runs are in the “easy-easy” range, which for me is 8:30/mi or slower, unless I’m running with other people in which case easy nose breathing seems to cap out at 7:15/mi. Having two or three easy runs between hard sessions really pumps out the metabolites.

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well strava's graph is very vague. so i knew it was more than 59/week.

what's your goal pace? kiawah has a ton of turns.

The Lavender Room scares me! LOL.

My biggest run week ever was 70 miles. Coincidently I ran my fastest 10k later that year.

Yeah I think the first week in that graph is 73mi and to the left of that would have been an 85 and a 70. The several across the top are 105mpw. The first dip is accurate, a race week, but the week after is missing some runs.

No goal, just go full send and hold on. I did Grandma’s in June in a more reasonable fashion and negative split a 2:55 for reference.

The “science experiment” behind what I’m doing is to divine exactly what “full send” should be and have the fitness and nutrition execution to back it up.

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That was mine too this year and I did a marathon PR.

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Couldn't just round it off to 120?

Good for you? What is that a counterpoint to, exactly? The list of common overuse injuries?

You already stated why you think that is, and I agreed with you. You spoke in vague generalities, without much specifics. But, I agree with the description to the degree of specificity give. However, these injuries still happen to people when following those tenants. Great, they didn't happen to you, this year.


Do I need to phrase every statement in the form of a question? Is this Jeopardy, are you Alex Trebek reincarnate?

I don't have any questions, because I don't think its that remarkable. Sure its a lot of miles, but I've done it, too...and, with the exact same approach (as near as I can tell from your description. There's still someone around here who's done more for more often...Herbert? I didn't post an AMA for that reason.

What I find interesting is that you think that your sole example somehow represents the possibility for every person on the planet. "I did it, so everyone else can too if they just did exactly like me." That's a rather myopic perspective.

Frankly, I don't really understand what you're being so "testy" about. You're the one who brought up injury, and stated "you didn't understand what all the fuss was about". There's quite a bit of research into the cause, and treatment of these overuse injuries. They aren't well understood on either front. But, I'm glad you think you've found the holy grail.

As stated a couple of times now...

1. Running easy (most of the time)
2. Running frequently (regular doubles)
3. Running consistently.
4. Increasing volume appropriately. Typically, not volume and intensity in the same week.
5. Doing squats (or some other form of stabilizer strengthening).

If you are doing more, you didn't list it. So, I have no idea what that might be.

6. I run hills once a week.
7. I take a day off once a week (usually).



That's your thesis, not mine.

I consider the above to be risk management strategies. They do not GUARANTEE injury-free running for life. They limit the risk, but mechanics, weight, morphology, age all impact the overall risk for an individual (I'm sure there are other risk factors that I don't know).