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Re: Amgen ToC [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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Well once again TS screwed Sagan, nobody could stop Sagan at the finish, except his team was too weak to pull back the break. Cannondale might have had more support for him than what i have seen this spring.


actually, Sky did more work to bring it back than TS did :). Real bummer. Why would they allow an almost 5 minute lead 15K out?

And Cav will win today and run his mouth even though Sagan was done with podium/interviews/shower by the time he casually rolled in yesterday. Don't get me wrong, I know he's just about unbeatable in a flat stage (which is why nobody will help his team - why does he constantly complain about that?). It takes a lot of talent to do what he does but it's all or nothing. He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.

SKY had to work because TS did not chase when they were expected too. SKY had not real stage goals, cav knew he would not win, everybody was looking at Sagan and TS to chase when the initial attack happened. TS did not have enough people in the front to chase. Then SKY realized that the lead was serious and had to go full force at the end, but it was just too take. TS should have had more people at the front and upped the tempo earlier to keep the break within reason.
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Re: Amgen ToC [Ron_Burgundy] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I'm not disagreeing with you. TS didn't do jack to keep their leader within striking position. Odd, really.
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Re: Amgen ToC [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
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He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.

If the stage doesn't suit Cav he better roll in a handful of minutes ahead of the time cut. That's his job. There is no award for foolishly burning matches.
-SD
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Re: Amgen ToC [allenpg] [ In reply to ]
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allenpg wrote:
I have a few friends who are riding it. I'd rather drive up and watch in warm, non-sweaty clothes...:) I'm most interested in Big Bear. They are expecting 1"-3" of snow on Friday. I'm wondering if they might have to cancel TT or move it. The only good news is that it's a TT and not mass start. They might get the women and early riders in, but otherwise it might end up getting a little sketchy later in the day.

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Re: Amgen ToC [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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I had the same thought, but I'm guessing price would be too high. I do know of an open former air strip in Irvine that might do the trick! Pretty cheap get, I expect, too.

I'm expecting a change of venue announcement pretty quick. Wouldn't surprise me if it's Solvang if they can make it happen that fast and nothing else is happening up there this weekend. Known course, all the necessary relationships already in place, bike friendly, and getting everyone there would be fairly easy from Santa Clarita. I'm hoping for a change...I'm not keen on driving up in the snow.

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Re: Amgen ToC [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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SuperDave wrote:
kollac wrote:
Ron_Burgundy wrote:
He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.


If the stage doesn't suit Cav he better roll in a handful of minutes ahead of the time cut. That's his job. There is no award for foolishly burning matches.
-SD

Absolutely; I wonder if Sagan would do better or caught less flack from Oleg if he said "Eff it, I can't beat Cav today" and rode in in 90th place to save himself for stages like yesterday to guarantee a win.
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Re: Amgen ToC [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
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kollac wrote:
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He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.


If the stage doesn't suit Cav he better roll in a handful of minutes ahead of the time cut. That's his job. There is no award for foolishly burning matches.
-SD


Absolutely; I wonder if Sagan would do better or caught less flack from Oleg if he said "Eff it, I can't beat Cav today" and rode in in 90th place to save himself for stages like yesterday to guarantee a win.


And after today, the new topic is Carter Luck now that Sagan has dominated the ToCA again.
-SD

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Re: Amgen ToC [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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I'd vote Solvang too. Big Bear is too much of a unknown given the weather. Another option would be uphill TT on GMR. Personally, I think that would awesome...;)

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Re: Amgen ToC [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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And after today, the new topic is Carter Luck now that Sagan has dominated the ToCA again.
-SD

Dang, a lot of mediocre results for that guy. I wonder how widespread doping is in collegiate cycling. I could barely afford a bike, let alone PEDs.
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Re: Amgen ToC [durk onion] [ In reply to ]
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Cheating in college is pretty widespread I think; doping, plagerism, scribbling notes on your hand, etc.

I knew lots of guys who took expensive drugs in college.

SD
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Re: Amgen ToC [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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I took drugs in college but they didn't help me ride any faster. Plus they weren't that expensive.
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Re: Amgen ToC [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Amgen ToC [HeidiC] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, I was sworn to secrecy earlier. Details tomorrow, but start times are the same.

Jim Manton / ERO Sports
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Re: Amgen ToC [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Yeah, I was sworn to secrecy earlier. Details tomorrow, but start times are the same.

Hmmm...Santa Clarita vicinity...Piru TT course, perhaps? Wouldn't be the first time the TOC travelled on Guiberson Road ;-)

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Re: Amgen ToC [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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I actually don't know the course details, Tom. I'm working with several athletes on Friday and, depending on start times, will be in the follow vehicles of a few men and women, so we're dying to get the exact route. Especially the women...this is a big event for them and they want to know the course asap. I get it...they don't want anyone to get the details before anyone else. I've been working back channels, and got the info that it had been switched, and even knew where, but that's when the trail grew cold. They knew what I was after - I was looking to "let a few psi's out of the ball." ;-)

Jim Manton / ERO Sports
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Re: Amgen ToC [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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I was just kidding about the Piru course...as is typical of a TT course that's good for us amateurs, it's too much out of the way to make a compelling Pro course :-)

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Re: Amgen ToC [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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willembad wrote:
He was also on a Tarmac. Can't explain that looking at the stage profile.

Venge and an Evade wins him the stage today. Maybe.

From Chris Yu's Twitter:

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He and I agree.

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Re: Amgen ToC [kollac] [ In reply to ]
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kollac wrote:
SuperDave wrote:
kollac wrote:
Ron_Burgundy wrote:
He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.


If the stage doesn't suit Cav he better roll in a handful of minutes ahead of the time cut. That's his job. There is no award for foolishly burning matches.
-SD


Absolutely; I wonder if Sagan would do better or caught less flack from Oleg if he said "Eff it, I can't beat Cav today" and rode in in 90th place to save himself for stages like yesterday to guarantee a win.

Pop quiz: Who is the best all around bike racer on the planet.
Answer: Sagan, of course.

No one else can do what he does. Rolleur, puncheur, sprints, pulls, descends, climbs. TT's when he has to. He's a stage threat in Grand Tours and a favorite in every one day race out there- the Ardennes, Flanders, Roubaix. Hardly any support. Handles the bike better than anyone. Could ride cx or mountain and win there too.

And he has a team owner who is a big mouth tool and once Sagan wins again (now) he'll tell the world he was only trying to motivate him, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Happy for Sagan to win again.
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Re: Amgen ToC [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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McNulty wrote:
kollac wrote:
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kollac wrote:
Ron_Burgundy wrote:
He either wins or rolls in just ahead of the broom wagon. The guy who finishes top 5 - 10 in every race is not the same type of rider so measuring them on flat stages is the same as using yesterday's stage for comparison on who's a better rider.


If the stage doesn't suit Cav he better roll in a handful of minutes ahead of the time cut. That's his job. There is no award for foolishly burning matches.
-SD


Absolutely; I wonder if Sagan would do better or caught less flack from Oleg if he said "Eff it, I can't beat Cav today" and rode in in 90th place to save himself for stages like yesterday to guarantee a win.


Pop quiz: Who is the best all around bike racer on the planet.
Answer: Sagan, of course.

No one else can do what he does. Rolleur, puncheur, sprints, pulls, descends, climbs. TT's when he has to. He's a stage threat in Grand Tours and a favorite in every one day race out there- the Ardennes, Flanders, Roubaix. Hardly any support. Handles the bike better than anyone. Could ride cx or mountain and win there too.

And he has a team owner who is a big mouth tool and once Sagan wins again (now) he'll tell the world he was only trying to motivate him, etc. Blah, blah, blah. Happy for Sagan to win again.


And he can perform a no handed wheelie.
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Re: Amgen ToC [Triagain2] [ In reply to ]
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And most importantly, this.
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Re: Amgen ToC [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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I all seriousness he has absolutely insane handling skills.
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Re: Amgen ToC [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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You appear to be even more of a fan than I am ;). Glad he got a win today. While constantly finishing up near the front is impressive to other cyclists and educated fans, history only remembers the winners.
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Re: Amgen ToC [McNulty] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Amgen ToC [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Flat 10K course at Magic Mountain... Piru would have been more interesting!
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