they say Troll's have a dark side to their personality, very very dark. It's almost as if they were bullied as a kid and/or feel very insecure so in order to make themselves feel better they have to put others down.

In another thread for instance, a forum member was asking for running advice, he wanted to go from a present half marathon time of 1:52 to 1:30 in just 3 months. Anyway, several people basically in one form or another

1. Build up your base slowly, run a lot, and you will nail your time goal
2. Run Run Run Slow but a lot, you don't need any speed work, you will hit your time goal.
3. Run Run Run slow, but run run run a lot

I told the OP on that thread to not listen to those who are advocating you don't need any kind of structured training. Then all these guys were using word play to prove to me you don't need any formal half marathon training program unless you are an elite.

It was so ridiculous because there are many great running coaches who have training programs for all levels, beginners, intermediate, advanced, and elites. I can't think of one athlete who is serious like the OP wanted a specific time goal, that just goes out and wings it, no training program, not taking any advice from people who are qualified. I have never heard of anybody wanting to hit a time goal, that just goes out and runs slow with no speed work to hit a specific time goal. I wasn't advocating he train like an elite, but to follow a training program appropriate for ones level I felt was good sound advice

Wow that is insane. The 808's seem to require the legs of the hulk to get moving quickly. I am sure there are guys with lots of watts that can make these wheels go fast, but I don't have the leg strength. I primarily am a runner and not a cyclist and not to say runners can't be good cyclists, but for me at least I don't have a lot of leg strength to spin a deep wheel set

Skin suit on a road bike? My bib I wear has pockets in back and I am sure the breathable fabric is creating drag. I may look into getting one but shoe covers? Holy cow maybe 6 nanoseconds for a 50 million mile ride?...lol.... but yeah I think riding just to keep up with this guy seems childish. He is a serious competitor and races locally. But he is seems bent on making sure I know he is faster and when he passes me after I get gassed on a gentle rolling hill, he always tells me how fast he was going while getting passed. Anyway once I get my Carbone back on, hopefully I will be more competitive on the hills if I choose to ride with this guy.

But the other part is saying no way, this guy is going to cause an accident. He almost biffed it going up a bridge. A guy was adjusting his chain, he finished and then started without warning to turn his bike and himself and wheel it 360 degrees. He almost caused this guy I rode with yesterday to crash.

Looking at your picture, why is the frame so much smaller than the seat height? Wouldn't it make more sense to get a frame size that is nearly as tall as your seat height? Does choosing a small frame offer the best way to save weight and get in a more aero tuck? My bike seems to fit me fine but then again I was never fitted. I just read that your back should be 45 degrees while on the hood and knee slightly bent while extended down

What picture? What bike? My P2?

I don't care about weight for flat crits. I also don't care much about "fits". I do care about aero and a short head tube is good to get low! Reasonable short cranks are good to pedal through corners, which is sometimes necessary to follow a fast lead out. With this bike I don't do centuries.

I'm not sure why you don't know this. Everyone knows that 808's and round tube frames cause an anti Kama tail design that causes turbulent flow and increases drag by a minimum of 12.19%. Explains everything that you are experiencing.

It's the red decals. Everyone know that red Zipp decals are slow.

You'd look much cooler on the bike path with a 10 inch flat handlebar and really tight jeans!

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OP: TL;DR.

But, is that C-dale for sale?

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Op is def the new h20runner!

your floor is a mess and you lack matching stickers on the oven.
you should be banned from ST for at least a week.

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Lol!!!!

LOL....OK I will have to get one of you guys to come over and clean it up for me.

I wasn't aware of this but if my memory serves me correctly, the Tour De France riders I think many of them had a similar frame set like the Cannondale EVO(carbon version of aluminum) and they had like 404's on them.

So then the issue now remains, do I want to put the Cosmic Carbone's back on and actually have a road bike that may give me the best chance to keep up with some of the guys who have high testostorone and need to show me they can out ride me up a gentle hill or would I rather be a bit slower but look really slick. Either way the 808's seem pretty ridiculous on a road bike. Yes I know people do race on them but the vast majority of Riders I watched at Tour De France didn't have hoops that deep unless they were on a time trial bike

I think you brought up a valid point. Zipp decals are probably not as aerodynamic as someone wearing jeans over unshaved legs...lol

Maybe more like Kiley's Pube's alias. So an alias of an alias...?

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If I look at the pic of that bike for more than like 3 seconds it makes my eyes flicker, like when looking at one of those optical illusion things

For most people, having a frame that is as tall as their seat height is going to be too big, the height might be ok but the bike is going to be long.

No not selling it. If I sell this then I am stuck riding my speed concept all the time. I like this one because it is great for just tooling around the bike trails. I have to resist the temptation to take on another rider who wants to go fast fast fast through the corners.

I hope you have the matching kit for tooling around the bike paths. It always bothers me when people ride expensive bikes and have some shitty kit on the MUP.

Fair enough. Do you race? I find that having to spin up the really deep rims gives me too muscular legs.

"I'm not sure why you don't know this. Everyone knows that 808's and round tube frames cause an anti Kama tail design that causes turbulent flow and increases drag by a minimum of 12.19%. Explains everything that you are experiencing."


I called Zipp and they told me they never heard of such a thing you are describing above. Do you have any documentation or articles supporting this? I have seen plenty of 60mm dished rims on road bikes.

Are you joking?

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I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite thread on the Citadel!

Well, is he isn't trolling, I would have loved to have listened to that conversation

I know very little about cycling so if JTtrig was being a smart A$$ then I guess I am gullible. People who don't have questions generally will most likely not find a reason to post threads. I am just trying to figure out the best methods for a road bike setup.