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mind if i complain?

i'm kind of offended at this Olympic Athletes from Russia thing. it was crystal clear that russia systematically, as a country, from the top, conspired in the most blatant and naked way, to cheat the rest of the world's athletes out of their medals.

yes, russian athletes were in many cases innocent victims. but russian athletes are also, in many, perhaps most, perhaps almost all, cases participants in the doping.

is there no punishment for this? i don't see how OAR is a punishment. i see it as a reward.

why the IOC is allowing NBC to even use the terms "russia" or "russian" in the telecast is weak. if they're simply athletes competing under the olympic flag - which, by itself is weak - then they ought to be OFA: Olympic Flag Athletes. or some such thing.

this letting russia basically get a pass for the most blatant, systematic state sponsored doping, perhaps exceeding even east german doping of the 1980s, has lessened my interest in the 2018 games. if i was korea i'd be pretty pissed at this. as a non-russian, anybody-but-a-russian, i'm pissed at this.


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This bothers me, but then I think of a lot of the figure skaters, and curlers etc that aren’t doping and should we really punish them? Ugh...I’m torn on this...
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Love that band
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EnderWiggan wrote:
This bothers me, but then I think of a lot of the figure skaters, and curlers etc that aren’t doping and should we really punish them? Ugh...I’m torn on this...

we punish the 3 clean members of a 4 member relay team when 1 dopes. yes, it sucks. i don't see any reason why russia would change its behavior unless it becomes an international pariah.


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Aren’t you convinced that the IOC, like the UCI or any professional governing body (NBA, NFL), would really not bother with the PED problem?
I am enjoying the Olympics, but take all high level sports with skepticism. Thank you Lance! Kevin!
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Slowman wrote:
mind if i complain?

i'm kind of offended at this Olympic Athletes from Russia thing. it was crystal clear that russia systematically, as a country, from the top, conspired in the most blatant and naked way, to cheat the rest of the world's athletes out of their medals.

yes, russian athletes were in many cases innocent victims. but russian athletes are also, in many, perhaps most, perhaps almost all, cases participants in the doping.

is there no punishment for this? i don't see how OAR is a punishment. i see it as a reward.

why the IOC is allowing NBC to even use the terms "russia" or "russian" in the telecast is weak. if they're simply athletes competing under the olympic flag - which, by itself is weak - then they ought to be OFA: Olympic Flag Athletes. or some such thing.

this letting russia basically get a pass for the most blatant, systematic state sponsored doping, perhaps exceeding even east german doping of the 1980s, has lessened my interest in the 2018 games. if i was korea i'd be pretty pissed at this. as a non-russian, anybody-but-a-russian, i'm pissed at this.

Distinction,

Didn’t the IOC ban them and a three panel judges from the CAS overturn that?

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I agree this hasn’t changed anything from the announcing. It’s like they’re their own team just without the Russian flag.

I equally don’t get how two Americans that have lived here their whole life, are considered the first Nigerian Bobsledders. I have no problem with people competing for their parents country or another country you have citizenship at with. However, this isn’t a home grown bobsled team.

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The Olympic is a scam.. I am not watching
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Slowman wrote:
mind if i complain?

i'm kind of offended at this Olympic Athletes from Russia thing. it was crystal clear that russia systematically, as a country, from the top, conspired in the most blatant and naked way, to cheat the rest of the world's athletes out of their medals.

yes, russian athletes were in many cases innocent victims. but russian athletes are also, in many, perhaps most, perhaps almost all, cases participants in the doping.

is there no punishment for this? i don't see how OAR is a punishment. i see it as a reward.

why the IOC is allowing NBC to even use the terms "russia" or "russian" in the telecast is weak. if they're simply athletes competing under the olympic flag - which, by itself is weak - then they ought to be OFA: Olympic Flag Athletes. or some such thing.

this letting russia basically get a pass for the most blatant, systematic state sponsored doping, perhaps exceeding even east german doping of the 1980s, has lessened my interest in the 2018 games. if i was korea i'd be pretty pissed at this. as a non-russian, anybody-but-a-russian, i'm pissed at this.

I agree. It's a joke.

I believe that CAS also overturned most of the band the stemmed from the state sponsored doping investigation. Only a small number of athletes had their bans sustained.

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its all just a big ponzi scheme anyways dan - just cash the cheques (metaphorically)......we're all going to die soon anyways
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but yes - its fu$ckng stupid

i feel like theire fans in the crowd are revelling in it and being the most boisterous of anyone.
I cant wait for the hockey- I dont even care if we (Canada) win - as long as OAR looses I'm happy.
I'm actually a little let down by ovvie's vocal support of puttin lately as well....for some reason i thought he was better than that? hmmm whatever
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It's a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. 169 Russian Athletes have been allowed to compete in PyeongChang. That's only 8 fewer than the Russians sent to Vancouver in 2010. (They had 235 athletes at Sochi, but the host nation gets some qualification dispensations and, therefore, typically has larger contingent than they would had they not hosted). The stands at many venues are filled with Russian citizens in Russian colors waving Russian flags cheering for their comrades. What really gets me is that they're still allowing team sports & relays. You ban Russia, but then let their entire hockey team compete under the "OAR" banner? WTF.


What appeared, at first, to be a bold action has turned into something considerably less; little more than a slap on the wrist, in fact.
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Karl wrote:
Aren’t you convinced that the IOC, like the UCI or any professional governing body (NBA, NFL), would really not bother with the PED problem?
I am enjoying the Olympics, but take all high level sports with skepticism. Thank you Lance! Kevin!

Exactly! Especially since no one was doping prior to them...
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Karl wrote:
Aren’t you convinced that the IOC, like the UCI or any professional governing body (NBA, NFL), would really not bother with the PED problem?
I am enjoying the Olympics, but take all high level sports with skepticism. Thank you Lance! Kevin!


Exactly! Especially since no one was doping prior to them...

hey - take that cr@p to the comment section of RT
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Love that band

Glad I want the only one who was thinking that when I read the title

Matt
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EnderWiggan wrote:
This bothers me, but then I think of a lot of the figure skaters, and curlers etc that aren’t doping and should we really punish them? Ugh...I’m torn on this...

we punish the 3 clean members of a 4 member relay team when 1 dopes. yes, it sucks. i don't see any reason why russia would change its behavior unless it becomes an international pariah.

I don’t really understand why Russia does this in the first place... but I don’t think it’s reasonable to punish clean athletes because of the behavior of their country.

I’d prefer just ‘Olympic Athlete’ but it’s somewhat arbitrary given most are going to be from Russia.
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Does anyone think this is anything other than Putin flexing and the CAS/IOC cowering?

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My bigger issue is that it's more about officials than athletes. It's comments games and many officials are doing well but only few athletes.
I think IOC is a Scam and that's an even bigger problem than drugs ( which is obviously very big but it's not about nations is more about athletes as nations and athlete conjunction is way overrated. Iam totally ok if an Russian athlete that is less suspicious than the others are racing.

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Totally agree, the whole OAR thing is a total cop-out.

If they had made them compete under the Independent Olympic Athlete designation that already exists(!) it might have had some vague impact, but just renaming the Russian Federation to OAR is completely pointless.
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Olympic athletes from Russia. It like saying Russian athletes have the Olympic seal of approval. Total opposite of what it should be. I agree. It should be something like unattached Olympic athletes. UOA.

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EnderWiggan wrote:
This bothers me, but then I think of a lot of the figure skaters, and curlers etc that aren’t doping and should we really punish them? Ugh...I’m torn on this...

Me too. I don't know the total number of athletes who wouldn't be benefiting from PED's but I can't believe it's more than a few dozen.

But any sport that differentiates by: Speed, endurance or strength - sorry, but, those athletes (bye, bye). That leaves only the pure "skill" sports like curlers, ski jumpers,???

and, yeah. I'd be super pissed if I were a speed skater, or XC skier, etc.


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I am betting that Russia bribed the officials enough to allow the OARs in. It would have been too obvious to let Russia in still, so this was the next best thing they could do.
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Quite plausible

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Haven't read the full thread, but I was telling my wife my thoughts on it the other day.

I don't have a problem with Russian athletes at the games, however they should be on team "Olympic orphans" not some shadow if Russia.

If they have cleared the whole, never caught doping and thus shouldn't have received a ban, then they should be at the games.

There should be no Russians competing in team events other than Team Olympic Orphans which cannot be comprised of only Russian athletes. Otherwise it is just a turd called another name.
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