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I think the eye witness accounts are the reason people are suspecting he is guilty rather than his status as mayor.

IOW, you'd consider their immediate assessment/conclusions to be more reliable?

If so, what do you make of the 911 tapes that recorded one of the witnesses shouting at the mayor to stop because he had just hit a cyclist and was attempting to flee the scene?

ETA: Not to mention that Randy and the witnesses were immediately interviewed at the scene for 1.5 h. (while the mayor was allowed to leave after just a few minutes).

True, true...does the mayor happen to have any children who went there?

I don't know that MU1998 is a shill for the mayor but he sounds like one. He refuses to address very valid points of fact and repeats similar talking points of the mayor.

If he's not a shill for the mayor he lacks critical thinking and the ability to analyse facts.

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"Look, will you guys at leats accept that you are a bunch of dumb asses and just trust me on this one? Please?" BarryP 7/30/2012

Seriously? you joined a forum... defended a guy you claim not to know... all to play devils advocate for someone who by 3 accounts did exactly what the plaintiff to be claims he did? I call bullshit.

This forum will not ruin the mayors life. Be realistic. You joined this forum to play defense for a guy who quite honestly needs it. Evidence is mounting in the plaintiffs version of the event. As a cyclist who as encountered many angry motorists I don't have any sympathy for the mayor. I find it hard to believe his story. I WAS SOMEONE WHO WAITED FOR THE EVIDENCE TO CAST JUDGEMENT! Look back, it's the truth. Now that multiple accounts of the event are surfacing it appears the mayor acted poorly. He will likely pay the consequence, and it will likely be far too light a punishment. Not because he is the mayor, but because that's the world we live in.

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You think the witnesses' memories were all tainted?

Consider this. The mayor was not detained at the scene. The victim and witnesses *were*, for 1.5 hours, immediately after the accident. The mayor had time to fabricate a plausible story and even to fix any scuffs in his car paint. I don't know how long it was before the police took a statement, but it was at least 1.5 hours, or even if they took a statement at all before finally passing the matter on to another district/division, as they should have in the beginning. Sheer incompetence? Or intentional coverup?

The whole thing smells to the heavens.

I agree with the others. Why would MU1998 take precious time in his or her day to write in defending the Mayor, spewing a carbon copy of the Mayor's version of the events, AND taking a swing at the victim's reputation. Does MU1998 feel that the slowtwitch community is full of imbeciles? Just wow. Until MU1998 can convince us that (s)he is a longtime forum user as claimed, I smell a rat.

I'd believe the victim and three arm's length strangers who are voluntarily testifying. What rational person wouldn't?!!! Give it a rest, MU1998.

Okay, MU1998. I went to your River Front website, where you said I would find evidence for your statement, "I'm saying this guy seems pretty suspicious. There have been plenty of other local cyclists to call him out too. Apparently is reputation in general isn't a favorable one. "


There is nothing there. This is the closest I could find, and it has nothing to do with the cyclist's reputation.


Scott Shoemaker: "Some say the cyclist was holding on to the car and catching a free ride." This said without any evidence, or stating who "some" is referring to.

Other than that, I didn't find a single person in the 100+ comments denigrating the reputation of the victim cyclist. Plenty of exasperating folks ignorant of the law and your usual I Hate All Cyclists contingent. There, I took one for the slowtwitch team, going through the annoying comment section of the River Front story. That's how angry this incident makes me. You're welcome.

Do you actually believe anything you type?

There are 3 witnesses.

IF they actually argued at a stop sign do you think there is even a 0.0000001% chance he would "hang" onto the car?

I think the most suspicious thing of all is that the Mayor didn't stop. How do you not stop if you ran someone off the road. Even if they were hanging on to your car you have to stop.

Ok lets break this down a little bit.
So they weren't moving?
And the witnesses all suffered from the same spontaneous delusion?
Fair point. But this could just be a response to "do you need an ambulance".
So here's a question. (http://www.stltoday.com/...e6-afa62e3f51c9.html)
"Furrer said Murdick grabbed onto his car during the incident, which Murdick denies. Furrer said he didn�t accelerate or swerve, but saw Murdick tumble from his bike. Furrer said he kept going, but turned around at the first opportunity to go back to check on him."
So either Furrer continued down the road, at the same speed as when they had the conversation with Murdick holding his car, and turned around at the first opportunity (at pushbike speed he should have just been able to stop), or he accelerated away from the incident. Which sounds most unlikely to you? I ask because, to me, someone who accelerates away from an incident like this does not sound like the concerned citizen type, especially one who want's to stop and check the cyclist is OK.

tr.v. ad�vo�cat�ed, ad�vo�cat�ing, ad�vo�cates. To speak, plead, or argue in favor of.

You guys are feeding a troll. Think about it. ST is quoted on the Today show, then this guy shows up with this pro-mayor propaganda. Wonder how many other forums he joined just to smear the cyclists.

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Could you please link to where you found "locals" not defending the cyclist? Earlier you said a lot of locals weren't on his side then backed it up with 0 evidence. Also I'm calling BS on you not knowing said mayor. Who signs up just to defend someone they don't even know?

Also I would say this is evidence your friend is in hot water: http://www.stltoday.com/...b4-fa2fa299d45d.html

Much more likely especially because Michigan is UM aka University of Michigan.

Ok. So this is my last post then I'm done. I originally posted just to get some people to open their eyes and think that just bc some guy is mayor for a few months doesn't mean he is immediately wrong. And just bc someone says they are a victim, doesn't mean they are one. All I wanted was for people to keep in mind that it has happened on plenty of occasions that someone who is judged guilty by the public turns out to be innocent after all and this mob mentality where everyone believes the one claiming to be wronged is simply lazy thinking.
I don't have any connection to these men, but as I have stated earlier, I can relate to having someone you love drug through the mud only to find out later they were innocent, and it's too late to repair the damage. Just because a fellow cyclist says this happened, doesn't make it true.
If you haven't been able to find any posts at all supporting the mayor you simply are not looking. Go to the comments section, hit the "more" button if necessary, but the comments are there.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/...striking_cyclist.php

http://m.topix.com/...cyclist-with-his-car

http://drunkcyclist.com/...mark-e-furrers-road/

http://fox2now.com/...-cyclist-hit-by-car/


Say whatever you want about me, speculate all you want. The fact of the matter is no one truly knows what happened and jumping on a band wagon is a pretty lazy way of thinking, and dangerous to the community if it turns out you are wrong, treated someone who doesn't deserve it in an awful way, and just looks stupid. We don't know what happened but it's easy to be outraged and point fingers when you don't have all the facts. And to make assumptions and speculate about a person who shows you an opposite view just to make you think is pretty sad and is why this world is as divided and messed up as it is.
Hopefully you never find yourself in the unpopular seat trying to prove your innocence while society refuses to think for themselves and simply joins in with whoever is loudest. But I bet if it ever does happen to you or a loved one, you too will start to second guess the validity of one mans victim cry.
Say what you want, think what you want, but do yourself and the world a favor and at least think for yourself. Goodnight.

did you sign up a while back as tasha or something to defend trayvon?

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MU keeps mentioning working at a bank, the Mayor's late father was president of a bank.

So we now have evidence that there is Internet access in the afterlife.

Ok. Let me tell you what I have as a cyclist. I have about 500 cars drive by me, some wait to pass, some give me a really wide berth, some give the bare minimum. Then every now and then you get the 1, they engage you, and it has never been to be polite. They put my life in danger. That is my circumstantial evidence.

So you're blasting us for "mob mentality" then link sites and tell me to read the comments to find defenders of the mayor? Isn't that the same thing we're doing here but in favor of the mayor? Also you really have to look to find those comments. Every single time there's a car v. cyclist incident you're going to find people who defend the car. Some people just hate cyclist. There were 3 witnesses and the cyclist giving one story and only the mayor gives another. Why should we believe the mayor?

Then every now and then you get the 1, they engage you, and it has never been to be polite. They put my life in danger. That is my circumstantial evidence.

Everyone who rides a bike knows this. MU1998 does not know this. Does that tell you something?

Please ignore him. Do not reply to his posts.

I've not read all the posts on this thread, but I'm already tired of this blatant misdirection: two people for sure know exactly what happened: the cyclist and the mayor. Since their stories don't match, one is not being truthful. Now ask yourself, who benefits the most from a revised version of events?

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