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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [de-tri-mental] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed.

In addition, if they assay at this sensitivity, the amount of false positives increases dramatically.

I would want to know how many more riders were showing up positive.
Hard to believe he was the only one who showed up positive. All depending who they tested and if that particular procedure was used for all racers.

I do believe in the "contamination" excuse. But I am more inclined to believe that it may be from a masking agent or supplement.


What they aren't telling us is what the linearity of the instrument is. I do drug testing all the time in my lab and the line between positive and negative is clear, and it is always set much higher than the linearity of the instrument. The machine may be able to detect very small amounts, but when they get below a set point, the number cannot be guaranteed. That's why those things are tested, repeatedly.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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Regardless of the truth, the timing is interesting.

Contador was informed in late August, yet the news is announced during the middle of the World Championships.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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So THAT's how he beat LA. I knew there had to be something else to it.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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The good news is that, fortunately, the entire team didn't eat the contaminated beef. That would have created quite a controversy!

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [NJSteve] [ In reply to ]
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Landis is kind of like Conseco. The source is slimy but they are probably the ones telling things closer to the truth than anyone out there.

Is it cheating if everyone does it?
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [Z fan] [ In reply to ]
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So THAT's how he beat LA. I knew there had to be something else to it.

And how LA beat Wiggins!
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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Ahhhh, NOW I get it!

So you call up one of those cattle farms where you can Pre-order your own cow, and then you stuff it full of GH, clenbuterol, etc. Then you have it slaughtered, eat it and train like hell......then go race.

Get caught?
No problem,........ it was contaminated beef!



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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [E_moto] [ In reply to ]
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Step 1: Eat beef
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

speedySTATES
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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good piece on the topic

http://www.sportsscientists.com/
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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Wow. It's Gerard Vroomen. Thanks for your insight into that one aspect. I still cry foul but only because I've grown skeptical. I love NFL football and despite their less stringent testing, rarely do r they win ' contamination' cases. Even STARCAPS case is legal wrangling over state testing laws
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [ttram] [ In reply to ]
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Awesome

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [JollyRogers] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, good reading. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [SeasonsChange] [ In reply to ]
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has anyone looked at the effectiveness of this drug? its really not that good... and the evidence isnt there.


Wasn't that landis testosterone defense? "Why would I take that? It's not much of a PED for an endurance athlete."

P.S. The Magic Mountain Man bike is intimidating me. Any chance I can get EPO contamination from In n Out Burger but next weekend?
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [ninesixfour] [ In reply to ]
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Food contamination? That's almost as good as, "I tested positive for testosterone because I got shit-faced last night. Then while hung over I rode solo to victory on a mountain stage. Really."


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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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Step 1: Eat beef
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

Actually....it should read like this

Phase 1: Eat Beef
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profits

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [SeasonsChange] [ In reply to ]
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has anyone looked at the effectiveness of this drug? its really not that good... and the evidence isnt there.


And why would anyone name an asthma med after the drummer for Blondie???



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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [randymar] [ In reply to ]
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has anyone looked at the effectiveness of this drug? its really not that good... and the evidence isnt there.


And why would anyone name an asthma med after the drummer for Blondie???


It is CLENbuterol and not CleM.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [Fastyellow] [ In reply to ]
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Damnit! My plan for world domination has already been foiled.

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [E_moto] [ In reply to ]
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Or just drink milk, it is full of IGF1's and hormones and what not.

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [Fastyellow] [ In reply to ]
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So it was 400 times less than the labs are suppose to be able to detect.....sounds like a non issue to me. If the labs were calibrated to only look for the amounts they are required to, we would have nothing to talk about right now.

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“The issue is the lab has detected this. They have the responsibility for pursuing [it],” he told the Associated Press. “There is no such thing as a limit where you don't have to prosecute cases. This is not a substance that has a threshold.

http://www.velonation.com/...d-to-a-sanction.aspx
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [53x12] [ In reply to ]
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So it was 400 times less than the labs are suppose to be able to detect.....sounds like a non issue to me. If the labs were calibrated to only look for the amounts they are required to, we would have nothing to talk about right now.


Here is your answer:

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“The issue is the lab has detected this. They have the responsibility for pursuing [it],” he told the Associated Press. “There is no such thing as a limit where you don't have to prosecute cases. This is not a substance that has a threshold.

http://www.velonation.com/...d-to-a-sanction.aspx

Yes. ANY amount of clenbuterol is cause for investigation/suspension. The certification means they have to be able to detect a certain level, their detection was an amount 400x less than their certification threshold.

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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [gerard] [ In reply to ]
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As for double standards for Li vs Contador, this may be due more to the greatly differing concentrations of Clenbuterol found than anything else.

Gerard, I think you might be wrong on this account. UCI says that Contador's sample was 0.05 ng/ml.The level found in Radioshack's Fuyu Li sample in March was 0.05-0.10 ng/ml. Li ended up getting banded. Very similar levels between the two riders.
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [fartleker] [ In reply to ]
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AWESOME! Oh all that talk of a clean peleton was a little to quick. His best move is to confess even if he didn't do it and cry a little. Serve the time and come back. Fighting it will destroy his career.

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So Contador is suspended/on probation from racing until the outcome can be decided?
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Re: Contador- TdF positive for Clenbuterol [53x12] [ In reply to ]
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Yep. Which ought to make it difficult for UCI to justify handling the cases any differently...
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