If the lag is around 10 seconds, then it will keep the honest folks honest. Most people won't fight a 10 second screen blackout that happens once you go into motion unless you are a passenger in which case you have time. But it woudl need to be legislated for all cell phone vendors, if not none of them will do it in fear of losing market share with this negative feature.

Both teens charged with murder.
https://l.facebook.com/...IrCgodHOql2B&s=1

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Let food be thy medicine...

For those who neither wants to go on to facebook nor be directed the newsmax, this AP article (which formed the basis of the articles on newsmax) provides a summary of the relevant updates re: the apprehension and charging of the two perps involved. Murder charge for each perp, with no indication as to whether it's 1st or 2nd degree.

Unfortunately, we are dealing with humans that are clearly beyond redemptions in a non-religious sense of the word.
I do agree with you that as a society we got less violent for a while after we banned public displays of grotesque cruelty. But it seems like something broke after the Floyd riots. I am not sure what needs to be done as a non-trivial part of our population has become increasingly feral. Like the perps in this case. I really don't think that kindness is the answer here. There will definitely be more of that.

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It's really a symptom of the moral decay of our society. The fact that someone could put so little value in another human's life, or even just their well-being, that they are willing to deliberately hit them with a car just for giggles, is clear evidence that this person was raised in an environment that had little or no positive moral guidance and influence. If it turns out these two were, for example, a couple of young men just about to head off for their Mormon mission - I'll eat my hat.

“Justice will be served in this case,” Wolfson said. What could possibly be justice? No punishment, no amount of compensation, can do anything to make the victims whole. It would be nice to see some level of accountability for the people who created these monsters, wound them up, and let them go. Although it's too easy to just blame parents...these may be outliers but the tide has sunk to a level where these guys may be within about 4 sigma of average.

I have dreams of retiring in a few years and spending a lot of time on my road bike, but crap like this makes me think it's going to be a lot more mountain biking, backpacking and kayaking.

I like that idea very much - holding parents accountable for their under-age monsters who commit terrible acts such as intentional murder. The two teens need to be tried as adults and put away for life without a chance for parole. I would be very open to the parents being held accountable as well. Maybe LR conversation but how does a child become a violent murderer? Upbringing, environment, genetics, a combination?

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Death is easy....peaceful. Life is harder.

These two statements are true. The answer IMHO to statement 2 is understand the world in which you are living and take the steps needed to survive while preserving stauement 1. Personally, I have already taken steps to reduce the risk of myself or my family being harmed by the "non-trival part of our population that has become increasingly feral".

Personal responsibilty is paramount. No one nor government is going to take care of you personally.

I will continue to use Zwift only more now.....I don't want to trust some distracted driver who can't look up from their f--phone for 5 seconds to keep their eyes on the road.

I think this moral decay started with Trump, social media and the me me me society that we have now. I think when kids like this do stupid sh-- that the parents should be held accountable.....

Just my .02c.

KK

We're going there, eh?

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The assholes have been arrested.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/16p0zom/las_vegas_teen_expected_slap_on_the_wrist_for/

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"Good genes are not a requirement, just the obsession to beat ones brains out daily"...the Griz

Maybe not, but I can guarantee they won’t do it again.

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Not everything is as it seems -Mr. Miyagi

One can also guarantee that with a preemptive strike. You seem like an imminent threat as a vigilante.

. A scene from the 70’s movie Marathon Man comes to mind

not sure if you realize this, but the world has never, is not, and never will be safe.

also, when I see pure evil, I will eliminate it. if it makes you feel better, I can pull the trigger on these animals.

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Not everything is as it seems -Mr. Miyagi

Pulling a trigger is metaphorically and literally the easy part.

Oh, you want me to dig the hole, too?

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Not everything is as it seems -Mr. Miyagi

Bragging he will be out in 30 days:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/...robst-las-vegas.html

Those two guys belong in prison.

The look and demeanor of these 2 are exactly what you'd expect - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx52YKPpN7w

Oh and it looks like hit another cyclist prior to the murder - except that he got lucky and survived.

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I saw this in my local paper today:

https://www.seattletimes.com/...o-4-years-in-prison/


In this case, of course, the perpetrator didn't intentionally kill anyone, but he was driving 25 mph over a 25 mph speed limit and then fled the scene (hit and run). Punishment? 4 years in prison.


I realize this is far different from intentionally running someone off the road, but in my opinion, anyone driving a motor vehicle who kills a cylist or pedestrian while either driving recklessly (20+mph over the speed limit or other obvious indication or reckless driving) or impaired (drunk or using a cell phone) should be spending 10+ years in prison. 20 if you flee the scene as this guy did. Four years just seems entirely inadequate to me.


I can't help but think the "juveniles" discussed on this thread will get a similarly light sentence.

Teen indicted

https://abcnews.go.com/...-fatal-hit-103800932

Copying the text from the article for ease of reading. Glad to know they were tried as adults. Sadly it does not bring back the person who was innocently pedalling and lost his life. I can't imagine what the family is going through right now.

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RENO, Nev. -- Two teenagers were indicted Friday and charged as adults with several felonies, including murder and auto theft, after allegedly recording the moment they targeted and fatally struck a bicyclist in a Las Vegas hit-and-run.
Police have said they tied the teens, who were 17 and 16 at the time, to at least three hit-and-run incidents the morning of Aug. 14. The indictment expands on the charges the teens were already facing.
The Associated Press is not naming the teens because of their age at the time of the alleged crimes. Messages seeking comment that were left late Friday with the teens' attorneys, P. David Westbrook and Daniel Hill, were not immediately returned.
The alleged hit-and-run incidents include the crash that killed cyclist Andreas “Andy” Probst, a 64-year-old retired former police chief from the city of Bell, outside Los Angeles, who was pedaling along the side of a road when he was hit.
The video, shot from the front passenger seat of an allegedly stolen vehicle, shows it approaching Probst from behind on an otherwise traffic-free road. Male voices can be heard laughing as the vehicle steers toward Probst and rams the bicycle. Probst is thrown backward across the hood and into the windshield. He is then seen on the ground next to the curb.
Along with murder and residential burglary, the teens were indicted on charges of battery, attempted murder and residential burglary, and multiple counts of automobile grand larceny and possession of a stolen vehicle.
The younger teen also was indicted on a charge of possessing burglary tools.
Under Nevada law, the most severe sentence the teens could receive on the murder charge, if convicted, is 20 years to life in state prison, not the death penalty. That's because they were not 18 at the time they were accused of the crimes. One of them has since turned 18.
Both teenagers are in custody without bail.

I had the cyclists lawyer work for me when I got hit.

As much as he could tell me about an active case, there will be justice.

Given what he did for me, I believe him.

For me, a low rent insurance company tried to ignore me.

I needed his patience as I wanted to go scorched earth. He prevailed on my behalf.

I did ask him if the person who hit me could go through some of my treatments, which hurt as much or more than the initial injury. Apparently, you can't legally request such action.