Nothing to do with Payton, but various forms of cancers have been linked to steroids, EPO is linked to heart failure.



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According to TH's website and even USADA, there isn't a test for chrimerism.

Again this is from a tyler interview, but the test showed he had the equivalent of a tablespoon of "foreign" blood mixed with his, which in any case would hardly be a benefit.

Do you think he had a fresh transfusion right before the test? That's really the only way that blood doping will help your performance. You can't race if your above 50% HC. You can take EPO in the weeks leading up to a competition to get your HC level up and only traces of EPO will be left by testing time. With blood transfusions yes you have to transfuse close to the testing time.

his doctors surmised that up to 50% of the population could have blood abnormalities at this level.

Again no other riders tested positive! that 50% number is bullshit.

Its a damning arguement I'll agree, and the 50% number is likely bullshit. However Dick Pound has admitted that TH was targeted for blood tests. I would love to know how many riders were given the same test and what level of scrutiny those tests had, but WADA isn't saying.
If it did I tend to say let the dude ride, its not like traces of steroids or EPO where having taken it in the past still helps you

Um, blood doping is just like taking EPO, and taking it in the past can help you train harder. See above, EPO and Blood doping aren't exactly the same thing, but they achieve the same result ie 49.99HC. My point is that the test is new and relies on an expert eye to see small differences, hence the original OG test initially being called negative, then being rexamined and being called positive. Under these circumstances I think you have to at least find a significant amount of doping to have occurred. If Tyler is to be believed and in the absence of WADA releasing a different set of data Tyler is guilty of boosting his HC level from 47.00 % to 47.01%. As to higher HC level in training helping you - I've never heard that before. Certainly you could ride faster or longer in training, but that doesn't guarantee that those benefits will be their at the lower HC level. Its possible that the mental aspect of feeling less strong would be detrimental to a good racing performance.

/As to higher HC level in training helping you - I've never heard that before. Certainly you could ride faster or longer in training, but that doesn't guarantee that those benefits will be their at the lower HC level. Its possible that the mental aspect of feeling less strong would be detrimental to a good racing performance./


Did you actually read what you wrote before you hit the send button?? So I dope all year, train my ass off, build more strenght, more endurance, recover better, and then when I stop, let's say a month or two out, I probably get no benifit...Come on now, and a detrimental mental attitude to boot. I think if I'm training faster, longer, and with more recovery, that I'll have a pretty good attitude going into a race... That's why I train up here in the mountains, like so many before me, to get the legal and safe advantage of a high HC%. And no, EPO is not blood doping, they just do the same thing......And by the way, once your HC% is built up, it can last up to two months.

However Dick Pound has admitted that TH was targeted for blood tests. I would love to know how many riders were given the same test and what level of scrutiny those tests had, but WADA isn't saying.


Can you point me to where he said this?

That's really the only way that blood doping will help your performance. You can't race if your above 50% HC. You can take EPO in the weeks leading up to a competition to get your HC level up and only traces of EPO will be left by testing time. With blood transfusions yes you have to transfuse close to the testing time.


You can blood dope so that you can train harder... Monty brought this up also. You can certainly train faster, and its possible that their will be some bennefit, but no one has shown that training at say 50%HC then racing at 42%HC is bstter than training and racing at 42%HC.

However Dick Pound has admitted that TH was targeted for blood tests. I would love to know how many riders were given the same test and what level of scrutiny those tests had, but WADA isn't saying.


Can you point me to where he said this? I can't. I distinctly remember it and I suspect it may have been in his Velonews article, but I'm not sure. He said that Tylers tests in the past had shown irregularities, which weren't enough to suspend him but were enough for them to target him for additional and new tests. He also mentioned Kevin Livingston as a rider they were suspicious of, due to lower HC levels out of competition than in competitions. Styrrell