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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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It's possible to make most things safer. But I've yet to see any real evidence that disc rotors cause any more injuries than any other part of the bike. Chainrings aren't covered and I've seen plenty of injury from those, even had them myself.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [PhilipShambrook] [ In reply to ]
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PhilipShambrook wrote:
It's possible to make most things safer. But I've yet to see any real evidence that disc rotors cause any more injuries than any other part of the bike. Chainrings aren't covered and I've seen plenty of injury from those, even had them myself.

Agreed on chainrings. They do make chainguards to guard against rocks and such, but do a decent job in protecting you as well.


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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [ In reply to ]
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[not responding Tom or to anyone in particular]

So let's assume she got this from the disc rotor, that her knee went into the rear wheel of the rider infant of her. I wonder what her knee would have looked like if she had gone into the rear spokes/dropout/QR of a rim brake bike? Bikes have so many sharp and hard edges that can split a knee open.

I think that anyone trying to make a point about disc brakes from this gets an eye-roll from me.

JFC cycling is so full of petty jealousies and pointless conflict. I really don't understand why people get so hot under the collar about bike tech. I mean, just read the comments sections on Bikerumor, Cyclingnews or Road.cc and they are full of people with nothing else to do but shit on every single new product.

A long time ago I got tired of justifying bike purchases to naysayers and luddites. I don’t care for some pedantic codex that lists how bikes should look and what I should wear while riding them. No sport is as hopelessly in love with its past nor as indifferent to its future as cycling. If I was a triathlete I'd buy an Diamondback Andean as the ultimate fuck-you to all the bike snobs out there.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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We need more people like you on the forums.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Is there no way to encapsulate a disc rotor to prevent this problem from happening?

I'd imagine that a cover like one used on MX motorcycles might work. Pretty light weight.
Yet, to a weight wennie, it is more weight.

I'd go with the incidence of rotor injury is relatively low, in every discipline.


MTB has used discs for 15+ years and there has been no call there for rounded discs, covered discs or no discs.

Type of crash may differ, but I still think it is a relative nonstarter.

That being said, still sucks for those 1 in a 1000 or so like Katie F'n Compton.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [PhilipShambrook] [ In reply to ]
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PhilipShambrook wrote:
It's possible to make most things safer. But I've yet to see any real evidence that disc rotors cause any more injuries than any other part of the bike. Chainrings aren't covered and I've seen plenty of injury from those, even had them myself.

...hence my RChung quote in the first post.

And to those saying "just cover them"...the hard part for road bikes is doing that but not causing problems with overheating on descents...or, just adding additional aero drag. Not to mention even MORE mass added to an ~ 1lb difference vs a rim brake system.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [PhilipShambrook] [ In reply to ]
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PhilipShambrook wrote:
But I've yet to see any real evidence that disc rotors cause any more injuries than any other part of the bike.

It's too bad there's no possible way to collect real evidence.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
PhilipShambrook wrote:
It's possible to make most things safer. But I've yet to see any real evidence that disc rotors cause any more injuries than any other part of the bike. Chainrings aren't covered and I've seen plenty of injury from those, even had them myself.


Agreed on chainrings. They do make chainguards to guard against rocks and such, but do a decent job in protecting you as well.

And there are lots of them in the pro peloton, in mountain bike races and cyclo-cross.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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RChung wrote:

It's too bad there's no possible way to collect real evidence.

You're too late. Your clever observation was already given in post 1.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
yes, it's called a tire and tube

Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Is there no way to encapsulate a disc rotor to prevent this problem from happening?

would have loved to have seen you on a rim braked cyclocross bike in that race. would have been exceptionally entertaining.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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do you know that I raced BMX as a kid and BMX and MTB as an adult?

jkhayc wrote:
ericMPro wrote:
yes, it's called a tire and tube

Thomas Gerlach wrote:
Is there no way to encapsulate a disc rotor to prevent this problem from happening?


would have loved to have seen you on a rim braked cyclocross bike in that race. would have been exceptionally entertaining.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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yes, since you talk about it all the time. doesn't matter in this context. your standard "tom a response" is just funny for a situation like this, regardless of what actually injured compton.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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well I only give my Tom A. response to silly things like "let's cover discs". I for one don't have an issue with disc brakes anywhere, especially cyclocross.

jkhayc wrote:
yes, since you talk about it all the time. doesn't matter in this context. your standard "tom a response" is just funny for a situation like this, regardless of what actually injured compton.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [alexZA] [ In reply to ]
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My disc brake QR tri bike arrives Tuesday (finally!). While my goal with it is not giving the world a FU, I eschew non-data based arguments and anecdotes are not facts. If someone presents anecdotes, they are telling you the bigger picture trend is against them.

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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
RChung wrote:


It's too bad there's no possible way to collect real evidence.


You're too late. Your clever observation was already given in post 1.

Or perhaps too early, since we're still having this conversation. If data had been collected when I first made that observation we'd have had a couple of years of data to examine. That is, if there were some way to collect real evidence, but of course there isn't.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Her husband's name is "Legg?"

That's kinda funny

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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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The discussion over here is interesting:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/compton-injured-by-disc-brake-rotor-in-lille/#disqus_thread
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [pdxjohn] [ In reply to ]
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pdxjohn wrote:
The discussion over here is interesting:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/compton-injured-by-disc-brake-rotor-in-lille/#disqus_thread


Best quote from the comments:

"We'll never know how many serious injuries disc brakes have prevented."

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Last edited by: gary p: Feb 11, 18 10:48
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [gary p] [ In reply to ]
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So every time a cyclist suffers an accident we're going to blame them and just disregard their version? Or is it just with disc brakes?

Really classy ...
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [elquike] [ In reply to ]
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Yea, and are we going to blame the two cyclists in front of Katie for causing the crash without hearing their side? Extra classy.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [NealH] [ In reply to ]
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We might as well. Why not? Anything but admitting we don't have the facts (yet)
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Re: Katie Compton's season ends... [gary p] [ In reply to ]
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gary p wrote:
pdxjohn wrote:
The discussion over here is interesting:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/compton-injured-by-disc-brake-rotor-in-lille/#disqus_thread


Best quote from the comments:

"We'll never know how many serious injuries disc brakes have prevented."

It's too bad there's no possible way to know.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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Real evidence as in thousands of miles raced with discs and what, 3 or 4 incidents, 1 of which was debunked?
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Real evidence as in thousands of miles raced with discs and what, 3 or 4 incidents, 1 of which was debunked?

The nice thing is that the plural of "anecdote" is "data," and that there's no reason to even collect a single anecdote when cycling is dangerous.
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Re: Katie Compton's season ended... [RChung] [ In reply to ]
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Or flawed data, as we’ve already seen.

But there’s no debate that cycing is dangerous.
Last edited by: Carl Spackler: Feb 11, 18 14:39
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