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How awkward would Xterra be for me?
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So I am a FOP swimmer and a comparatively modest cyclist. I don’t have much experience with mountain biking, and my bike handling is average. I imagine doing an Xterra in which I come out of the water near the front, and then proceed to piss strong mountain bikers off by blocking the single track as they try to charge by.

I am looking at the NJ races as a fun early season warm-up. How do people with my kind of profile fare in these races? I don’t have the time or inclination to spend a lot of time on the mountain bike beforehand. Is this scene really hardcore with respect to the biking? I don’t want to ruin other people’s races or put myself at significant injury risk for the regular tri season.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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I think you will do fine. Its not much different than most other tri's you will have cyclists of all abilities out there.

I have friends that did their first Xterra with very little mountain biking experience. One of my friends bought a new bike shortly before the race and used the race as her first ride on it.

In the local race here the single track is a no passing zone. There is plenty of time and space to pass on the more open sections.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [j.shanney] [ In reply to ]
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So it’s not like there are sustained periods on technical paths with no passing? On a non-technical path, I could hold a decent pace. I wouldn’t want to create a traffic jam as I was trying to navigate a bunch of roots and rocks.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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As long as you give the riders a place to get by within 30-60 seconds they are normally cool about it. They understand you can only do what you can.

They are normally a bunch of calm level-headed riders that are just looking for a safe place to pass. There are some a-holes out there but they are few and far in between.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Are you saying good mountain bikers can't be FOP swimmers?
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Testament TN] [ In reply to ]
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I have no knowledge of how good the Xterra crowd is at swimming. I’m relating my IM experience.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Testament TN] [ In reply to ]
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Someone has to be FOP in Xterra and they have to ride a mountain bike :)
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Trail swimming is our specialty!

There was supposed to be smiley face on that first reply. I was too quick to post. Sorry!
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Poon wrote:
So it’s not like there are sustained periods on technical paths with no passing? On a non-technical path, I could hold a decent pace. I wouldn’t want to create a traffic jam as I was trying to navigate a bunch of roots and rocks.

I have only raced Xterras on 1 course, and it has lots of climbing on fire roads, and a few short single track sections. It wasnt overly technical. I have ridden much of that course on my cyclocross bike so it definitely was not too difficult.

Your course may be different, but from what I have heard Xterra courses typically are not that technical. My local race has more of a grassroots/fun/less serious atmosphere around it than many regular tri's. As others have said as long as you make room for faster people to pass within a reasonable amount of time most riders are cool with it.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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As others have said, it's a matter of courtesy, and good on you for being able to accept your place in the pecking order. Keep your ears open for people behind you. Some will announce themselves, others might stalk. It's better to just find a place to let them by than to let them apply pressure and force you to make a mistake.

The XTERRA scene is laid back hardcore. You're gonna have some people with some intense riding skills and speed, but they will also be the first to stop and help you with a flat. It's a good scene.

Travis Rassat
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Noblesville, IN
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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I would add that for domestic US races, it’s more likely that you will encounter an MTB leg that is comprised of multiple laps. That being the case, the strong MTB riders/overall racers are quite patient about and accustomed to working with and around slower riders. I would say that everything gets worked out nicely.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Travis R] [ In reply to ]
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Confirmed- everyone I have raced with has been cool about making room to pass safely and calling out and making safe passes. Holding someone up intentionally is very bad form and likely will cause an impatient rider to try and make a heroic pass. That's bad for everyone.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [elf6c] [ In reply to ]
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The bruised ribs from the first time I tried this was enough to insure that there won't be a second time.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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This is exactly what occurred in my first and only Xterra to date
Left the water in good position, had a trail following me the whole bike.
No rider showed any signs of anger or disappointment - more a feeling of personal disappointment than anything else ,Remember a lady having to clip off when seeing me after turning a corner (due to my low speed)Crossed paths with the pros on loop 2, crazy skills - made me respect offroad biking a lot
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Last-offtheBike] [ In reply to ]
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Over all I think Xterra racers a way mellower crowd than road tris. My first Maui Xterra I was drinking beers with Udo Bolts post ride on the side of the road. Pretty cool after seeing him blasting away in the Tour the year before. Unless things have changed in the last 5 years or so I don't think you could have any problems in most Xterra events.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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My favorite part of Xterra races is the much more relaxed vibe. They are smaller and people are not ratcheted up as tight.

At Xterras ( and any MTB race) people are accustomed to singletrack and you generally hear a cheerful, patient " looking to pass " when someone comes up behind you. If it works out that you are out of the water ahead of the podium contenders you may have some guys hard after each other coming through early - they may not be as patient ( although the pros are usually the most gracious people out there) . If you are walking a climb - always give way to a rider coming up behind.

Most times I'll just swing wide in a wider section of trail, or ride a few meters on the shoulder. It is a race - you are not expected to stop and let a competitor pass you, but if you are clearly blocking a faster rider, the right thing to do is let them by as soon as is convenient.

" I take my gear out of my car and put my bike together. Tourists and locals are watching from sidewalk cafes. Non-racers. The emptiness of of their lives shocks me. "
(opening lines from Tim Krabbe's The Rider , 1978
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Like others have stated Xterra races and racer are way more mellow then the regular tri crowd. That’s why I enjoy them more, the same goes for trail running races. Maybe it has something to do with being in the woods :)
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in the same boat as you. Testing the Xterra waters this year at Jersey Devil, but have only been mountain biking once in my life... Looking forward to it.

Strava
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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I'm pretty similar to you. I'm a FOP triathlete with no mountain biking skills. A few years ago I signed up Xterra Lake Placid. I test rode the bike course the day before the race. It was a mess, very confusing, lots of rocks, logs and narrow gaps. I thought very technical, I went down a few times and frequently had to dismount. The only reason I signed up was one of my training partners was getting married the night before the race at the White Face Club. Most of the people at the wedding were triathletes and I figured someone should do the race. It was raining race morning and I was hung over. I figured if I couldn't ride the course alone in dry weather I'd really be in the way in the rain during a race. So I went for it on the swim then DNFed.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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Only as awkward as you make it, in that it's not very likely that other racers who want to pass you are going to get pissed off unless you intentionally block them.
My experience in XTERRA has pretty much been exactly that, both in the age group field and now racing elite, is spending most of the bike leg getting passed.
As for Jersey Devil, it's almost entirely a non-issue. Most of that course is wide enough for at least two riders so passing is no problem. It's also pretty non-technical, so you might actually surprise yourself how well you can do on minimal MTB experience.

PS drafting is allowed in XTERRA, which tends to benefit the faster swimmers on faster, less technical courses like Jersey Devil because you might just be able to latch on as somebody catches you, but the fast riders moving up through the field aren't going to have the same dynamic.

IG: idking90
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [iank] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for all the comments here.

How would people describe the Xterra Jersey Devil vs the Way Over Yonder races? Distance discrepancies are obvious. I’m most interested in the bike courses, along the lines of what is discussed above.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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I am an FOMOP triathlete but I was DFL for my age group in the first Xterra I did this summer. The mountain biking was way more technical than I expected and the run was also super technical.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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You will be fine (for Jersey Devil at least). I was in same boat as you and did Xterra Jersey Devil and really enjoyed it. I bought a hardtail mountain bike to try Xterras. Went on a group ride from bike shop on some trails. The 5th time I fell during that ride and bruised my knee, I said no more mountain biking. Signed up for Jersey Devil the next year anyway. That was the next time I rode my mountain bike on a trail. It was fine. The course was not very technical at all. Wide enough for people to pass me. I had one of the slowest bike rides in the race, but still had a blast. The trail run at the end was really fun. I would recommend Jersey Devil if you want to try an Xterra without too hard a bike course. Very fun race.

I have since gotten a full-suspension bike and it makes a big difference - I can ride places I could not ride before, so you may also want to give that a shot.
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.buduracing.com/...ts-inset.php?eid=754

Ha, I saw your post and it brought back some memories of when I got into Xterra racing. Scroll down to 48th place overall and look at my swim time with T1. Since most the races have so few athletes there was just one wave of everyone. Even at 56 years old I got onto the bike in 2nd overall. It was a super technical course the had gotten rained on the night before, so I was a definite obstacle for all the good MTB'ers out there. But as others have mentioned, they were all to a person polite and patient. I even had to get off the bike on some uphills because my gearing would not allow me to climb the muddy ascents, and there was no way around me on many sections.

Now that was then this is now, but I assume not much has changed in 5 years as that group is just insulated from the me first attitude that a lot of triathletes have adopted over the decades. When I come back and race again, it will be a MTB triathlon somewhere, they were a blast. Hard as hell though, be prepared for some spikes HR's, but it is nice that time is not really a factor, just doing a good job and getting a place..
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Re: How awkward would Xterra be for me? [Poon] [ In reply to ]
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This is Bob, the race director of the XTERRA Jersey Devil. I just noticed your post. If you are a beginner mountain biker the Jersey Devil course will be perfect for your 1st XTERRA. As someone else here mentioned the trails are mostly wide so it allows a lot of room for passing. The trails are packed down sand and pine-needles. The bike is 2 loops of a 6.5 mile course, so if you do not get a chance to pre-ride the course you will at least know what to expect on the 2nd loop.

As a veteran XTERRA racer myself I highly recommend checking out the bike course ahead of time at any XTERRA you do, it will make a big difference come race day in knowing what to expect.

If you have any more questions about the XTERRA Jersey Devil please email me from the contact info found on the Jersey Devil webpage: www.xterrajerseydevil.com

If you have questions on the XTERRA Way Over Yonder email the race director Dave, he can answer questions on that course, I'm sure his contact is also on his website.

Bob
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