veganerd wrote:
JSA wrote:
You are not right. You are talking about volume produced, not number designed.
Assume there were only 10 different gun designs in the world. Assume only 1 was the AK and the rest were range toys. Assume 1 million AKs were made and the other 9 designs only produced 100k combined. Using your logic, most guns were designed to kill. But that isn’t the case. Only 1 gun was designed to kill out of 10. This is the logical fallacy you are attempting to use. You said “designed,” not “manufactured.” That is false.
Im specificically talking about VOLUME. most guns belong to the killing category. Youre talking about different types, im not, and i made that clear when i said to put them into 2 piles, pile all the guns in existence, into 2 piles, kiling, and target guns, which pile is larger?
Not 1 ak7 or 1 m16 ro represent all, i literally mean every fucking gun. Every ak7, every m16, every biathlon gun, every target pistol...etc. one of those two piles is larger. Which is it?
And here we go. This is the point of the debate were veganerd, being proven wrong, moves the goal posts. This is the primary reason no one can take seriously a discussion with you.
Here is what you said in Post 29: "A
lso, most cars are designed for transporation, most guns are designed to kill. Theres a clear reason why they are treated differently, even though both are dangerous."
You doubled down in Post 38:
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What i wrote is not a fallacy, but ironically, what you wrote is. Its a non-sequitur. Just because something isnt used for X, does not mean it wasnt designed to do X. By your logic, nuclear weapons arent designed to kill since most do not.
Nearly all of the guns in existence are designed to kill."
You used the word "designed" multiple times. You even distinguished between "used" and "designed." Now it appears you want to clarify your position. Ok. I will accept your clarification.
You and I can agree the AK47 is the most produced firearm in the world. But, then you and I have to agree (1) that is only one of thousands of designs of firearms, (2) there are very few actual AK47s in the hands of civilians, (3) there are hardly any AK47s (not variants, actual AKs) in the US, and (4) outside of war zones and military troops, the AK does not really exist.
So, now you want to claim the majority of guns currently or recently manufactured were done so "to kill." Well, I could split hairs, but, if we want to discuss that, ok. Given the sheer volume of military rifles produced each year, yes, in raw numbers, we can agree.
However, we have been talking about guns in US airports being carried in by civilians. The discussion then moved to responsible gun ownership by US citizens. The discussion then moved to firearm use by US civilians. Given that context and your repeated use of the word "designed," you are wrong.
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