Pink? The anti vaccination thread was more logical.

Which is worse?

I have my opinion. It's probably pretty clear by how I wrote what I wrote.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

The world is turning to shit. That the topic of your question is a real thing is proof.

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KING OF THE ROAD SAYS YOU MOVE TOO SLOW

It's based on the crazy thread and this story.

http://www.cnn.com/...signation/index.html

I just don't understand how anyone can think that doing this to a child is better for them than assigning a gender to them.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

This

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

It's really amazing to me. I understand due to biology this is not a black/White issue for how people feel vs what they were born with which I think we had a huge thread on.

But a kid doesn't know what food they should be eating everyday let alone have the mental capacity to determine what gender they should be.

And if left up to them what they will choose is conformity once their classmates start mocking them. So if they have a penis, they will say "I am a boy".

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

They should amend the birth certificate to state "Biological Sex" and remove 99.99% of argument

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http://tri-banter.blogspot.com/

It's like parents completely forget how ruthless kids are or they are in a fantasy land thinking that bullying is actuallying going to go away.

Yeah, but this SJW is going to change the world.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Thats nonsense of course. Trans kids and gay kids have problems precisely because they do not conform. Your opinions are in conflict with those of people who actually know what they are talking about; medical and mental health professionals.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

Yes, I understand that. But what I am talking about here is the child that is "normal" but hasn't been given a gender identity by their well intentioned but idiotic parents. They will choose the path of least resistance. They will choose to conform.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

This has to be my favorite part of that article, "Doty's lawyer, barbara findlay (who does not use capital letters to spell her name), "

Does it really matter what "identity" you assign to a little kid? Pre-prepubescence, do kids really act that different based on sex without outside influence?


It seems rare for this sort of thing to be done by well-adjusted parents. It may just be what hits the news and a product of my elderly failing memory, but most of the time it seems that this is done with boys not getting their hair cut, playing with dolls, and wearing dresses. I'm not sure a little girl playing with trucks in pants with short hair gets much attention.


So on one hand I can kinda sorta see the point, but on the other it is straight up nincompoopery.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

I'll go with the first one, although I think "assigning" seems to mistate what most people do.

Yes. Infants show prefrences towards types toys in ways we would consider stereotypical.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

OK, (and I'm thinking this through as I type, so...) then it doesn't seem to require being "assigned" anything. Kids don't really go around checking their birth certificate before picking up toys.

Instead of jacking with birth certificates, which are used to help establish identity and kind of need identifying characteristics on them, can we just not fuck with kids who decide to play with different toys or do things differently than is stereotypical? That seems easier.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

It's the next logical step in new age, hands-off parenting.

Went from not physically disciplining kids, to not disciplining at all, letting them "figure things out for themselves", taken to the extreme. How dare you stifle your child's independence by determining their gender for them!

We are having a girl in August. A girl. She will be a girl and treated as such until such time when she may not decide to be anymore. Chances are, even if she does identify as a boy later in life, she will be much less fucked up in the head then she would have been had we let her figure it out for herself as a child.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

I don't think that clears it up at all. From Websters:


sex
(seks),
1. The biologic character or quality that distinguishes male and female from one another as expressed by analysis of the person's gonadal, morphologic (internal and external), chromosomal, and hormonal characteristics. Compare: gender.


Then, if we look at "gender:"


gen·der
(jen'dĕr),
Category to which an individual is assigned by self or others, on the basis of sex. Compare: sex, gender role.



You seem to want a category that specifies the genitalia of the baby. Neither of these do that. In addition, we know genitalia of a newborn is not always fully formed and sometimes more than one type of genitalia appears.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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My son asked for (and received) a doll to play with.

Of course he also asked for (and received) a Tonka truck.

We have never told him what toys he can or can't play with. Now that he's at school he doesn't want "girl stuff". He didn't get that from us. He's simply conforming.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Usually when we talk about "assigning sex" in an infant, its because they were born with both or unambigous genetalia. In those cases its a huge mistake to decide for them. Parents often get it wrong and so far, there is no way to tell how to get it right.

Yes, i agree that we should not fuck with kids who are not stereotypical.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

Cool. Thats all within the wide range of normal behavior.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

I agree with what you are saying. But, to nitpick and get into semantics, we do not "assign" sex. Even if we perform a surgical procedure on genitalia, we still do not assign sex. As shown by the definition I posted above, sex is determined by many characteristics, only one of which is genitalia.

We do, however, "assign" gender. As pointed out in the definitions I posted previously, gender is "assigned" based on a variety of sex characteristics, the primary one being genitalia.

We tend to use sex and gender interchangeably, which, unfortunately, is done in the law as well, which is a mistake.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

And I agree as well. Lets just not make kids go through mockery from their playmates until they "decide" that they are a boy because they have a penis.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I agree.

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