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Burkini ban on French Riviera
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French municipal authorities in a couple places have put a ban on wearing a 'burkini' (full body covering, tight-ish, not flowing) on the beach, citing security measures and secularist principals (if think wearing a face veil is illegal in france.)

So really, a government can prescribe how much skin a person must show on the beach? Do. Not. Like.

BTW also hate religious principles that dictate how much should be covered.

http://www.independent.co.uk/...cannes-a7186401.html
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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I really don't see the point in this other than pandering to some nasty elements in French politics. What's wrong with covering yourself up at the beach. Maybe they should issue some state approved clothing for use at the beach? Is Kosher swimwear ok?

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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [Nobbie] [ In reply to ]
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Exactly. I was very surprised to see Valls agreeing to this. The cities that have asked that are very pro front national, and this is done because 'these women are oppressed'...which is incredibly ironic given the number of women trying to get into 'beach body shape' for the summer.

This is done supposedly to preserve laicity...but I bet that wearing a little cross around your neck will not get you off the beach. I wonder if wetsuits are ok.
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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laicity --

state secularism, new word, thank you
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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With all fairness to France, Air France has required all their flight crews going to Iran to cover themselves accordingly (if they work this route).
https://www.theguardian.com/...ute-in-headscarf-row
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/...ance-iran-headscarf/
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [b4itwascold] [ In reply to ]
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b4itwascold wrote:
With all fairness to France, Air France has required all their flight crews going to Iran to cover themselves accordingly (if they work this route).
https://www.theguardian.com/...ute-in-headscarf-row
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/...ance-iran-headscarf/

nice laicity by the national airline

do. not. like. :>
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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It's France. Why should I care? They can do what they want. If people don't like it, leave.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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Could not be stated BETTER !
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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TheForge wrote:
It's France. Why should I care? They can do what they want. If people don't like it, leave.

To wrap up: TheForge is not interested in French women in bikinis.
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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Where do you get that? I'm not interested in commenting laws or current politics in france. It isn't my place, like it isn't some foreigners place to comment on US gun laws. I like looking at scantily clad women as much as any heterosexual male, but I can do that here, or watch Olympic volleyball.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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some were fined 38 euros and had to leave the beach.




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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [TheForge] [ In reply to ]
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TheForge wrote:
Where do you get that? I'm not interested in commenting laws or current politics in france. It isn't my place, like it isn't some foreigners place to comment on US gun laws. I like looking at scantily clad women as much as any heterosexual male, but I can do that here, or watch Olympic volleyball.

Ironic? Given the Egypt team and the cool weather this year, that damn near burkini coverage.







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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Good point, but if they were all dressed like that, I wouldn't be watching. But even 2 out of 3 pictures posted, there is some hot ass in there.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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You don't change mindsets with bans. You do that with education, social pressure, patience and time...lots and lots of time.

~Matt
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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kiki wrote:
TheForge wrote:
It's France. Why should I care? They can do what they want. If people don't like it, leave.


To wrap up: TheForge is not interested in French women in bikinis.

Most French women favour monokinis, and I don't mean the American version of it with both pieces loosely stitched together...just saying ;-)
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Francois wrote:
kiki wrote:
TheForge wrote:
It's France. Why should I care? They can do what they want. If people don't like it, leave.


To wrap up: TheForge is not interested in French women in bikinis.


Most French women favour monokinis, and I don't mean the American version of it with both pieces loosely stitched together...just saying ;-)

been there, done that :>
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [MJuric] [ In reply to ]
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MJuric wrote:
You don't change mindsets with bans. You do that with education, social pressure, patience and time...lots and lots of time.

~Matt
Well said. One thing that is lacking in today's society is patience. Most people want everything NOW.

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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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So really, a government can prescribe how much skin a person must show on the beach? Do. Not. Like.

A really sad state of affairs in what is supposed to be one of the original examples of modern democracy.

It's one thing to limit how much skin one can show. It's another to demand that one show more skin, at risk of criminal charges.

Slowguy

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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [kiki] [ In reply to ]
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France has a major Muslim integration problem. So does Germany. So does Sweden. When liberal democracies throw open their doors with the best of intentions to a culture that has no intention to integrate this is what you are going to get. You can be as nice about it as you want and downplay it as Euro governments are doing, but a shit storm in Europe is forthcoming in the future with a clash of cultures. Just a matter of time. I'm not a Trump fan but when he said France and Germany have nobody to blame for themselves for allowing them in, then I agree with the guy.
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
France has a major Muslim integration problem. So does Germany. So does Sweden. When liberal democracies throw open their doors with the best of intentions to a culture that has no intention to integrate this is what you are going to get. You can be as nice about it as you want and downplay it as Euro governments are doing, but a shit storm in Europe is forthcoming in the future with a clash of cultures. Just a matter of time. I'm not a Trump fan but when he said France and Germany have nobody to blame for themselves for allowing them in, then I agree with the guy.

Really? When you allow in people who have no desire to integrate, what you get is ridiculous government action that criminalizes modesty?

You must be kidding.

Slowguy

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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Most French women favour monokinis, and I don't mean the American version of it with both pieces loosely stitched together...just saying ;-)

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I'm surprised that the French government didn't simply declare that toplessness was required by all, regardless of sex, gender, or religion. It seems that would solve the discrimination issues in the name of equality.






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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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"When you allow in people who have no desire to integrate, what you get is ridiculous government action that criminalizes modesty? "


The latest thing I read today was that some extreme left wing politician in France stated that banning burkinis will only increase ISIS recruitment in France so they must be accommodated. Its almost like he's saying if we don't become like them we will have terrorism. So what next - ban bikinis on the Riviera so the Muslim "guests" won't be offended.
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
"When you allow in people who have no desire to integrate, what you get is ridiculous government action that criminalizes modesty? "


The latest thing I read today was that some extreme left wing politician in France stated that banning burkinis will only increase ISIS recruitment in France so they must be accommodated. Its almost like he's saying if we don't become like them we will have terrorism. So what next - ban bikinis on the Riviera so the Muslim "guests" won't be offended.

There's a wide difference between banning bikinis to appease Muslims, and banning Muslims from being able to wear more modest clothing. You know this, so don't pretend you don't.

Slowguy

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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Its strictly a case of the French becoming fed up. Their country has been under a constant terror watch and has had a few serious incidents. Its only a symbolic issue, but people are finally saying enough is enough. Banning burkinis is a way of saying "we are still French" and this is not part of being French. I sympathize with the French people because their idiot politicians have created a situation with immigration/integration that will only get worse.
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Re: Burkini ban on French Riviera [MJuric] [ In reply to ]
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This is the kind of BS that got Europe where they are & the US is following a similar path.

What Utopian Island do you live on ?

Multicultural Harmony with people who refuse to integrate.

Please read While Europe Slept by Bruce Bawer.
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