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Are there any Democrats here who can defend this?
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Here is the first page of an article about Michael Steele. Mr. Steele is Maryland's Lt. Governor. I have met Mr. Steele and had the opportunity to speak with him. Based upon my brief visit with him and on what has been reported, he appears to be a straight forward and fairly reasonable moderate to conservative Republican.

I find the Democrats' behavior towards Mr. Steele abhorrent. Are there any Democrats here who can defend this?

'Party trumps race' for Steele foes

By S.A. Miller
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 2, 2005




Black Democratic leaders in Maryland say that racially tinged attacks against Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele in his bid for the U.S. Senate are fair because he is a conservative Republican.
Such attacks against the first black man to win a statewide election in Maryland include pelting him with Oreo cookies during a campaign appearance, calling him an "Uncle Tom" and depicting him as a black-faced minstrel on a liberal Web log.
Operatives for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) also obtained a copy of his credit report -- the only Republican candidate so targeted.
But black Democrats say there is nothing wrong with "pointing out the obvious."
"There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names," said a campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and former president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
State Sen. Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said she does not expect her party to pull any punches, including racial jabs at Mr. Steele, in the race to replace retiring Democratic U.S. Sen. Paul S. Sarbanes.
"Party trumps race, especially on the national level," she said. "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It's democracy, perhaps at its worse, but it is democracy."
Delegate Salima Siler Marriott, a black Baltimore Democrat, said Mr. Steele invites comparisons to a slave who loves his cruel master or a cookie that is black on the outside and white inside because his conservative political philosophy is, in her view, anti-black.
"Because he is a conservative, he is different than most public blacks, and he is different than most people in our community," she said. "His politics are not in the best interest of the masses of black people."
During the 2002 campaign, Democratic supporters pelted Mr. Steele with Oreo cookies during a gubernatorial debate at Morgan State University in Baltimore.
In 2001, Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. called Mr. Steele an "Uncle Tom," when Mr. Steele headed the state Republican Party. Mr. Miller, Prince George's County Democrat, later apologized for the remark.
"That's not racial. If they call him the "N' word, that's racial," Mrs. Marriott said. "Just because he's black, everything bad you say about him isn't racial."

The following link will take you to the whole article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/...101-104932-4054r.htm
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Brick] [ In reply to ]
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I just read that myself. Unelievable and dispicable. Can you imagine the outrage if the circumstances were reversed and Steele was a democrat with republicans making these comments? I hope he kicks ass and wins the seat.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [armytriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I guess it isnt quite as bad as the Bush campaign doing telephone inquirys in South Carolina asking If the person called knew that Mcain fathered Black Children.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Brick] [ In reply to ]
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Of course not. Then again, everything is not always what it seems. Steele unfairly reacted by smearing the Democratic party for the actions of a blogger (note: liberal != Democrat), when in fact the Democrats reacted by pulling advertising from the web site, and generally disagreeing with it (and other things).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...02702115.html?sub=AR

"The Steele depiction was "extremely offensive and distasteful and has no place in politics or in any other aspect of public discourse," said Derek Walker of the Maryland Democratic Party."

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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Can't you stay on topic for even one post?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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So, you think this OK and are defending it?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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What about the rest of the Democrats quoted in the article?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Brick] [ In reply to ]
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"So, you think this OK and are defending it?"

Boy you read alot into my post. My point was both partys have a "win at any cost" attitude That is bad for America. Dont be so quick to be insulted. your (and my) party do it too.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but when stuff like the alleged "Bush campaign" calls happen, they get criticized by other Republicans.

So where is the Democratic criticism?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Brick] [ In reply to ]
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What about the rest of the Democrats quoted in the article?
Is there a particular quote you find offensive? Reading the actual quotes (not the descriptions of what the person quoted said), I don't find anything offensive (except perhaps the "Uncle Tom" bit). I see no problem with black Democrats criticising a black Republican because his policy stances are seen as antithetical to the good of the black community. I think "party trumps race" is fine; do you think an entire racial group should act as one? I'm not going to defend someone of my ethnicity simply because we share that trait.

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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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"Yes, but when stuff like the alleged "Bush campaign" calls happen, they get criticized by other Republicans."

I never heard any other republican, besides me, critisize this tactic. Did you critisize it? Are you saying this tactic is wrong? Are you saying the Bush camp was wrong to do that to McCain?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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I think calling him Uncle Tom is offensive. I think throwing Oreos at him is offensive. I think Senator Gladden saying racial jabs at him are acceptable is offensive. I think Delegate Marriot saying that he invites comparisons to a slave who loves his cruel master is offensive. I think that saying he's white on the inside because his conservative political views are anti-black is offensive.

Don't you?








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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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I never heard any other republican, besides me, critisize this tactic.

jhc criticized it. I'd criticize it, but I'm not a republican, so maybe that doesn't count.

Have you ever heard a republican defend it?








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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Is there a particular quote you find offensive? Reading the actual quotes (not the descriptions of what the person quoted said), I don't find anything offensive (except perhaps the "Uncle Tom" bit).

Maybe I interpreted the article differently than you. It seemed clear to me that the Democrats quoted in the article were defending the propriety of the race-based attacks on Mr. Steele. I was asking what you thought of their position. Maybe you did not read their quotes as defending the attacks.

I see no problem with black Democrats criticising a black Republican because his policy stances are seen as antithetical to the good of the black community. I think "party trumps race" is fine; do you think an entire racial group should act as one? I'm not going to defend someone of my ethnicity simply because we share that trait.

I agree with you that race should not hinder a party's ability to criticize. If you don't like Mr. Steele's positions debate those positions without regard to race. However, that is exactly what the Democrats are not doing. They are attacking him because he is black and does not share views they think all black people should hold.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Of course such tactics are wrong. If it actually happened, those who did it should be ashamed.

I am not sure what the term "Bush Camp" means. If it happened, it was probably Bush supporters. I never heard of a tie back to the actual campaign, but such connections would be unfortunate at best.

In that same campaign, McCain also distanced himself from some rather shameful campaign literature as "not from his campaign" despite its having the words paid for by the McCain for President Committee.

This is just democracy. This stuff happens. What is amazing about the article is that racist politics seems to be considered all right by Democrats. That is a big distinction.

If that stuff was done by a few discredited lunes, it wouldn't be worth the newsprint.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Silence on something like that is as bad as defending it IMHO.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Boy you read alot into my post. My point was both partys have a "win at any cost" attitude That is bad for America. Dont be so quick to be insulted. your (and my) party do it too.


You still have not said whether you are defending the race-based attacks on Mr. Steele. I did not and do not defend the attacks on McCain. I think they were abhorrent. Your deflection is not a denunciation of the attacks. Rather, it appears to me to be a tacit approval of the attacks in the manner of "what is good for the goose is good for the gander." Can you denounce these tactics? Can you say that the Democrats who support them are wrong?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [elund] [ In reply to ]
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Silence on something like that is as bad as defending it IMHO.

Except it isn't. The Rovian tactics were widely condemned, and I didn't hear anybody step up to defend them- instead people pretty much let the condemnation stand. Which represents at least tacit agreement with the condemnation. (Not to mention, again, that many Republicans did, in fact, criticize the tactics.)

That's a good bit different than actually defending these types of tactics, and claiming they're legitimate, which is what the Dems in Maryland are doing.

Come to think of it, it's kind of what you're doing, isn't it? Instead of condemning the Maryland race baiting, and instead of merely standing by and letting others criticize it, you're trying to deflect attention away from it. Very noble.








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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Brick] [ In reply to ]
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"Can you denounce these tactics? Can you say that the Democrats who support them are wrong?"



YES.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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"Come to think of it, it's kind of what you're doing, isn't it? Instead of condemning the Maryland race baiting, and instead of merely standing by and letting others criticize it, you're trying to deflect attention away from it. Very noble."

I can and will condemn it. I thought i was just adding to the discussion, not deflecting it. Is this where I yell "But Clinton got a blowjob?"

I believe in another post I said both partys do it and it is bad for America.

Yo are easily distracted arent you.
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Except it isn't. The Rovian tactics were widely condemned, and I didn't hear anybody step up to defend them- instead people pretty much let the condemnation stand. Which represents at least tacit agreement with the condemnation. (Not to mention, again, that many Republicans did, in fact, criticize the tactics.)


I think you may be overemphasizing the condemnation a bit. The typical response that I've read/heard is neartly summarized by Art's post:

This is just democracy. This stuff happens.

But I think we agree that Rove's smear tactics deserve condemnation, and the smear tactics against Steele likewise deserve condemnation

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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [jhc] [ In reply to ]
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What sets this apart is from the typical political smear is the pure hatered of it. I won't call it racist because it is impossible to be racist against your own race but it is a prime example why I refuse to take any raciai conversations or any of the race leaders for anything other then crap.

Clean up your own back yard then attack me.

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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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"I won't call it racist because it is impossible to be racist against your own race "

It is? Since when?

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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Ken, did you actually read the article? You aren't suggesting something like this is not offensive:

"Delegate Salima Siler Marriott, a black Baltimore Democrat, said Mr. Steele invites comparisons to a slave who loves his cruel master or a cookie that is black on the outside and white inside because his conservative political philosophy is, in her view, anti-black. "

Or pelting Mr. Steele with Oreo cookies?
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Re: Are there any Democrats here who can defend this? [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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[reply]Ken, did you actually read the article? You aren't suggesting something like this is not offensive:

"Delegate Salima Siler Marriott, a black Baltimore Democrat, said Mr. Steele invites comparisons to a slave who loves his cruel master or a cookie that is black on the outside and white inside because his conservative political philosophy is, in her view, anti-black. "

Or pelting Mr. Steele with Oreo cookies?[/reply]

Don't tell me you believe everything you read, all of a sudden. I asked which quote (not description) he found offensive. Go back and read the words I actually wrote.

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