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Bars without monoposts are going to start looking quite dated soon. Interesting that they settled on a very slim fork profile rather than giving the wheel lots of space. Not like there's been a consensus either way but the trend seems to have been trending towards the wide forks.

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Good to see Orbea getting serious about tri again. I would ride that bike.

Looks quite nice indeed! Orbea is doing a great job on the design front lately.

Interesting. My thoughs:

-Looks like a complete 180 from their previous "Freeflow" aero fork philosophy.
-Cockpit adjustability looks extensive and relatively easy.
-Not easy to visualize what the actual frame differences are between the S/M and M/S sizes. Is it maybe just cockpit and seat post length differences on the same frame?
-Not sure what to think of the toolbox. Looks out of place on the light colored frames; not so much on the darker ones. And' I'd worry about the lid coming open on a bump and the tools spilling out (how ironic would it be if you ran over your own flat kit with your rear tire and got a flat?). But it is out of the way and I'm open to the idea that it may be an aerodynamically advantageous location.
-Like that they offer a fairly well equipped mech version for under $5k , and a frameset at a competitive $3799....plus no-cost MyO paint customization at all price points.

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Good looking bike, but they are now all looking the same. I find it odd that they do not feature anyone riding with a high hands position that is very popular now as well.

All their marketing, and unless I missed something, not a single picture of their sponsored triathlete that is all bout the bike. Am I wrong??

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Agreed. It's only a matter of time for someone to make a bar that combines a monopost design and treks micro pad x adjustment capability to maximize fine tuning adjustments on the fly.

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I'm liking what I'm seeing so far, but it doesn't appear to have bosses on the top tube for a bento system (not a dealbreaker, just an observation)

I like the price point, too. $7000 for Ultegra Di2, hydraulic disc brakes, and Vision 55mm race wheels on the 2nd tier bike.

This comment for the win.

Looks like it is a functional version of the "shark fin" on the Trek SC.

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Not quite, as it doesn't extend below the bottom bracket. Of course, there's no rear brake that needs faired, so maybe it doesn't need to?

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

I am not sure if they got a new design team or what, but if I had to buy all of 1 brand of bike, I think it would be Orbea right now. Orca/Orca aero/ Oiz and now Ordu, all seem like great bikes right now.
Also I think the no pro rider thing is part of their marketing plan, they dont show team riders on their XC or Road bikes that I can see.

I agree, Orbea is on a roll, although the Orca Aero, with it's exposed cabling, is already looking a bit dated next to their newer stuff. Even the $1599 Tiagra-level alloy Avant now has semi-integrated cabling. Wonder how much faster, if any, the Orca Aero is than the Orca OMX. The Terra's getting dated, too.

I actually like the potential range of the new Orca OMR. Racey enough geo for road/crit/draf-legal-tri racing, yet clearance for up to 35c tires for comfort on endurance rides.

As for marketing, Starkowitz was front-and-center on the page for the old Ordu as recently as this summer. Maybe they aren't bringing their athletes in for photography out of caution over Covid-19?

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Yes, I forgot the Orca aero did not get the same update this year as the Orca. Wonder if the Aero will continue, or go the way of the venge.
I would not be surprised if the Terra gets an update next year.

Preach! The Occam is one of the best trail bikes on offer right now too.

Not quite no pro...they are the primary sponsor of the rebirth of the Euskadi cycling team (as pro continental). But that team's first year was this year, and it's been kind of cancelled for obvious reasons.

Damn. Kind of wishing I hadn’t just bought a new bike. Had zero idea this was in the works or probably would have waited.

Looks super badass.

I like how this bike looks. It's sweet. For a straight up TT hells yeah!

Yet, I'm going to be the naysayer on this thread.

In today's tri world that's a TT bike or a sprint or oly tri bike, not a 70.3 for the masses, maybe the more discriminant STer, but not the avg triathlete and definitely not an IM focused bike. Orbea missed the mark on the LC segment, which is biggest segment of the market, at least the NA market.

It doesn't answer the questions around storage. Where to place bottles or food. Most triathletes are going to end up hanging stuff all over that bike negating many of the benefits they designed it for. You're seeing it's fastest iteration. A tiny aero downtube bottle, no bosses, no integrated aero neutral storage options.

The avg triathlete is going to make that bike the equivalent of a U-haul truck.

Does it look good? It sure does. Do you think it solves hydration& nutrition issues for IM racing?

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I know they sponsor pro riders/ teams. It just seems they don't use them as the primary imagery on their site as it seems most other companies do.

Thinking more on it, the lack of top tube bosses is pushing me away from considering it. I have the 2008 Ordu and have always relied on a single bottle behind the saddle and a bottle mounted BTA for long course, so I can forgive the lack of integration there (my flat kit was in an aero bottle on the down tube), but I shouldn't have to strap anything down on a 2021 bike.

Hopefully they'll put some more bosses on the frames once they go to production (the MyO custom page said it'd be ready in February). It'd look pretty rad if they integrated a bento like Cervelo did with the P5!

I'm assuming the downtube has bosses? Maybe that's not a good assumption. Bosses on the toptube, and for a BTA setup would be nice for sure, as would something streamlined for the seatpost. Those would be fairly easy for Orbea to add though.

Though the move to form fitting aerobars has meant that there is now a number of conversion available that make mono stackers into dual stack to fit the aerobars e.g. d2z, Aerocoach and wattshop's speed concept adapters.

It has the downtube storage for a flat kit, bottle BTA, bottle behind the seat is all I need for 70.3 racing. Obviously YMMV, but for me it would be perfect for anything 70.3 or less, which is all I'd race anyway.

As a bonus it looks like it's also stock UCI legal based on the marketing. I'm guessing you'll have to pull the box off the bottom, hopefully they have something to fill the hole with.

That's the smart person set up for LC racing. 2 bottles for fluids, hidden flat kit. That's 30% of the field, not your average AG athlete and the overwhelming majority of those set ups are at the pointy end of the overall field and within the AGs.

Yet at every 70.3 I've been to in the last few years, there are a ton of high end bikes set up to negate the advantages of those bikes, well all bikes.

In response to the bosses on the downtube post above, my educated guess is a round bottle on the downtube instead of that aero bottle causes a hefty increase in drag, except maybe in the smallest of sizes. Aero eyeballing though is somewhat difficult especially since I know there are bikes/frames where you can get away with a round bottle up to about a medium/55/56 with only a small penalty, say 2-3w, or in the smallest of smalls make it a watt to 3 faster.

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i really dig what they did with this bike. if i was in the market id def give this bike a look.

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I don't think there's a hole, I think the box is a stand-alone piece that's molded to fit around a fairly conventional airfoil-shaped downtube.

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

Edit, also noticed that sizes are interesting.... S/M and M/L appear to be the exact same frame with a different front end and different length seatpost. Eitherway, a integrated bike that can hit a long / low position is a win in my books!

Also seems to have an adjustable frontpost (also vertical a al Tririg). I think Cervelo gave TriRig quite a bit of trouble on the legal front. Wondering how things went here (whether Orbea licensed it or whether we'd see some legal action here).

Nice reach adjustment range!

https://www.orbea.com/...du-m20iltd/geometry/

very good points, but i dont think this bike is much different than something like the P5 Disc if you really think about it.

i think the addition of a top tube provision for a bento box would have been a good idea. unless im just missing it in the photos im not seeing one.

outside that i could easily make this bike work for 70.3. BTA bottle solution, downtube bottle and one behind the seat bottle full of calorie mix and id be good. thats 3 full hours worth of nutrition on the bike, completely bypassing aid stations. if youre an aid station kinda athlete i dont really see why one couldnt live off the land for a full distance.

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Given how the previous Ordu came with Tririg Omegas in stock configs, I'd speculate they've sorted it out well before the launch of this bike.

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Doesn't look like there are top tube bosses. THis picture seems high res enough that we should see it. So you might have to rivet your own.

In general when I look at a bike in the 4+ range I want to see some type of integrated nutrition solution as part of the design. So Bento and some type of BTA solution.

With Cervelo on the new P-Series 105 model you get: downtube aero bottle, bento, BTS hook up. When I think back to my first 70.3, if I brought a second BTS Bottle I would not have stopped at a single aid station. I'm no FOPper. But When I think of endurance training I'd want to go fully kitted out for my training rides personally.

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you would not want to have a bento box on this top tube its not designed for it .
if thats a good idea to design a tri bike like this is another question.
i think it is, but as somebody had said for many it is not.

Where do you store nutrition and trash? Wasn't aware of any other option.

Tri-top pockets should provide ample storage for nutrition in addition to two bottles.

Ah, fair enough. I use a tri-suit with barefuly usable pockets. Can barely fit a single gel pack, so didn't think of that.

Meh.
It’s a no for me.
I rather have the Premier Tactical. At the 5k price point you get way more bike and it’s prob more aero or the same.

I think that's a great looking bike, and kind of like that they designed it without a top tube box (at least in terms of aesthetics).

I don't do more than 70.3 so it would be great with BTA/BTS bottles. Jersey pockets are fine (for me) on longer rides for solid food or extra bottles.

Couldn't agree more. Great looking bike, but I'd rather carry my hydration where it's hidden from the wind (BTA+behind saddle) and easy to access without breaking aero. Would have been nice to see an integrated front hydration unit.

I would have expected this also ... especially given that I showed Orbea the Alpha One a couple years ago when this bike was still in development. But Orbea chose to go their own route and develop their own bar without responding to our Alpha One demo or contacting us at all.

I just spoke at length with Orbea about this, because their website animation suggested they were possibly infringing on our patent. However, the Ordu bar does NOT have continuous tilt adjustment (although their animated graphics suggest otherwise). Instead, you disassemble the whole bar and you can put in a series of wedges to add tilt at discrete angles of 5, 10, or 15 degrees. In my mind, this is similar to how the Scott Plasma 6 shows continuous stack adjustment up and down but doesn't have it at all (and instead uses a cut-to-size post).

TriRig has always been, and remains, available to supply our hardware OEM, or to license our patents. Many customers and industry folks alike have come to see the value in our work. A prominent individual on this forum privately told me recently something to the effect of "You've solved aerobars, end of thread." I tend to agree. Sadly, some companies choose to invest in fancy/misleading animations, instead of actual functional technology.

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this to me (in my admittedly harsh worldview) means "no tilt, or extremely limited" and is a complete design failure IMO

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This is a very poorly thought out design. Orbea is last again...

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Exactly. It has a flat kit storage area but no food? Time trialists don't need flat kits. Boggles the mind.

Also, until I see 3rd party aero data, Orbea is not to be trusted on eyeball windtunnel alone...

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i would think there is many who dont need a 5000 euro bento box . While the first ordu was really bad the 2nd version was according to one fussy guy,at least in an open air velodrome , as fast as his speed concept. So i do not think this bike is last, and i would think in the sub 5000 euro bikes category its very competetive.
in a way orbea,s design is simply fast ...
value for money i think the mechanical version so far its my favorite bike released this year.

for what purpose?

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real world value.
and the knowledge that for myself storing nutriton in the front of my tri suit creates negative drag.
so any tri distance.

ps no bike so gave me the feeling i should change from my p4 ...

I’m all about negative drag, but I’m not keeping 2500kcal in my Tri suit. Design fail.

Again, what *purpose*? If I hear you right, you’re saying that you just want to look good on the way to the coffee shop.

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did you test carrying 2500 kcaal in your tri suit? if not maybe you should test to have a evidence based answer for yourself rather than answering like a 3 year old no iam not doing that.

Looked through the Blue Paper on this bike this morning, hoping to see some provision for a bento or BTA bottle mount. Nothing there. That said, they do allow drilling of the headset cover for hard-mounting a SRAM blip-box on top. You may be able to hard-mount a small bento bag there, like an X-lab Stealth Pocket 200. That's assuming you're not running mechanical shifting, of course.

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

I think it would be fairly easy to put a bento, hardcase model like PD, and mount it on the stemplate just behind the monopost.
You could use the bolt or replace it with a longer one that also holds the top cap. And probably one other point of attachment.
It does move of course when you steer but I think it could work.

Jeroen

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I don't know anything about quality of this bike but I have previous Ordu (2018) and had a chance to check orbea livetime frame warranty. During one ride chain fell of front chainring, hit chainstay near bb and disintegrated it like it was made from cardboard. Orbea said it was my fault, not production issue and they won't do anything about this.

https://drive.google.com/...89B/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/...p5n/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/...hdf/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/...UwB/view?usp=sharing

So, has anyone actually rode one of these yet or even saw it in the flesh? I probably would have pulled the trigger on one except the lead times are quite far out, currently May

Yep, i have one and set up in my fit studio

Jeroen

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Why would you expect them to do anything about that? The lifetime warranty is about defects. Obviously a metal chain will chew up carbon and that isn't a warranty issue.

They do have an optional accident policy which may apply of you paid for it.

There seems to be a bit of stock on bikester, for the M sizes. Of course it would be nicer to have a custom paint shop, I agree.

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I ride TTs (in UK) so have no interest in bento boxes ;) but I do want my frame to be fast, and more importantly allow a long low position (which looking at the geometry this does).

Can anyone help me with a summary of this article: https://www.triathlete.com/...edmax-cf-slx-8-disc/

It’s behind a paywall, and whilst I don’t mind paying for content, $49 is a bit steep if it’s just a marketing wash on the two products. I believe USAT members get free access?

Thanks
Nic

I can't give insight into the article but just be aware that neither of these bikes are going to be easy to get a hold of in the UK. I talked to a local dealer about getting one and it was looking like June/July in terms of earliest delivery and that was only for some sizes. These were also estimated dates from Orbea so they could shift further. The size I was after, M/L, had no estimated dates so who know when it will be available. Canyon is even worse with estimated availability dates for all but the XL size being 'October 2021.'

By the time either bike is shipped the 2022 models may well have been announced. Shimano is expected to launch new groupset(s) this year and the rumor's are a complete overhaul of Di2 in on the cards. If this happens you will have bought a very expensive bike that is already out of date by the time it lands on your doorstep.

Tell me about it... trying to get hold of anything is a nightmare.
The dealers I have spoken to are struggling with prices going +15% overnight (all because of the rules of origin under Brexit agreements)

Don't worry, those "2022 models" will be even more vaporware than existing 2021 "stock" (deliberately put into quotes), unless the supply situation changes for some miracle recovery reason. So while something might be "outdated" on paper, in practice it won't be at least a year. Neither expect Shimano providing new DA with any meaningful availability, given the 16+ week delivery dates of full groupsets of existing DA/Ultegra ATM in retail channels.

Orbea is nowhere the worst manufacturer currently, Specialized, for instance, has not been available at all in some regions since November (they just raised the prices for the 2nd time in 5 months, but who cares if you can't get the bikes anyway).

Thus, if you can grab a bike right now wherever you find stock, do it.

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Hi Ordu owners
Looking for some advice....just got a new Orbea Ordu and am trying to set it up on my turbo (Elite Suito). My turbo previously has a standard quick release skewer for my road bike. But the Ordu TT bike has a Allen bolt rear skewer. The standard release skewer wont fit becuase its too short.

How do I overcome this? Do I need to buy a new longer skewer or how does this work?

Thanks in advance

Ok nevermind the above, after some googling I have discovered a thru-axle adaptor is what I require.

So...any Ordu owners around here?

What are your thoughts on the bike?

For me, this is my first TT bike and so far I am struggling to get somewhat comfortable with the bike. The first most noticeable problem for me, is the basebar handles...They almost feel like they are too far for me and I feel really stretched out when just on the basebars. the basebar grip is quite uncomfortable for my wrists as well. I may need to remove this and just use bar tape.

As its my first TT bike, I am still getting to terms with handling and staying in TT position. I guess the more I can work on this, the less I will need the basebars...

Have you tried flipping the basebar? The added height might help.

Since most of your time will be in pads/extension, TT bikes generally don't provide adjustable basebar reach (short of cheap bikes with standard stems)

Dan has it and wrote a lengthy review on it. But sounds like he got the wrong size: https://www.slowtwitch.com/...s_New_Ordu_7933.html

It looks like a great bike for a great value, relative to the other brands' superbikes. Long and low, too. Looking forward to hearing your and others thoughts on the bike.

Did you actually get a proper bike fit before you got the bike so that your current set up is based on that fit? Or are you just ‘ experimenting’ with the set up?

Jeroen

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I’ve been on the new Ordu for a couple months now with a little over 2,000 miles on it currently.

The base bar reach was definitely too forward for me. It wasn’t an issue of where my hands were at, but rather the strange leverage of it being so far in front of the steerer tube. I cut it back an inch or two and now it’s perfect. (My base bar is flipped up)

I am on the S/M size frame which is a bit strange sounding since I’m 6’1”, but it pretty much fits perfectly (long torso, short legs). I figured out a good front hydration solution for me and the handling is really good too.

Only real complaint of the bike is that I wish some of the bolts on the front end were a size bigger and/or more robust. Snapped one and stripped some others despite using a proper torque wrench and everything.

Let me know if you have any questions about it.

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Can you explain what you mean by "Cut it back"? I am on the top end of the size small.

What is your bike component build and have you weighed it? Here so much about sub 8K in reviews but more like 9k (~20lbs) from shops I have called.

Cut the carbon on the bullhorns to make them shorter. I have bar tape on currently so not sure how it would effect the use of the grips.

I weighed mine at right about 20 pounds right after building at the shop. That was with DT Swiss 80mm ARC wheels, mostly Ultegra di2 components with SLF Motion cage, Quarq dfour power meter and 54/42 Dura-ace chainrings, Berk Saddle, speedplay pedals. Didn’t have my front hydration on yet or flat supplies, but pretty much everything else. Could likely get sub 20 if you are a true weight weenie.

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I will probably leave cutting the bars as the last measure (im not keen on cutting anything).
But its funny you mention that, I dont really like the grips that come as standard, I find them uncomfortable, I will probably take them off and replace with standard bar tape.

I dont suppose there is a YouTube video that shows whats involved with flipping the basebars do you? I read somewhere about having to bleed the brakes if you do it and Im not confident enough I would know what to do with that....

No videos I know of, but you will have to rerun the brake cables and switch the levers. So it is somewhat complicated.

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Well, Orca Aero got an Ordu-like update a few weeks ago instead of the axe, and the new Terra Carbon was released today. The entire Orbea road bike range is now pretty damn compelling.

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Anyone have idea for a bta standard bottle? I also have PD 43 ASC extensions. Not sure if I can do both.

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