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Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16)
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I did a Di2 upgrade to my Felt IA16 last weekend, and this has the project details. I am posting, because Di2 takes a lot of research and planning, and there was very little quality information posted about different approaches, essential components, wire lengths, etc. (The Shimano installation guides have everything you need, but they are also word vomit, so almost as bad as nothing.) I picked Di2 over eTap because the big Blip Box is difficult to hide and shows lots of wires no matter what you do. I achieved a much more hidden installation with Di2 than eTap, and I still have my Junction A fully accessible.

First, Shimano’s product managers should be scolded for making so much confusion from something that is relatively straight forward. The CAN bus has been around for decades. My last two cars were built around the CAN bus. I used to have a serial-to-CAN bus interface so I could monitor traffic on the bus. I understand it pretty well, and yet Shimano found a way to make it seem complicated.

Junction A and Junction B are bad names; they are stupid names. Junction B should have simply been called something like “Splitter Block,” “Wire Junction,” or “Wire Joiner.” That is all it is. It just splices E-Tube wires in parallel. It has no internal brains. Junction A should have been called something like the “Charging Port” or “Status Port.” That is what it is. That it also happens to have additional ports is immaterial. And the EW-JC130 should never have been called a Junction B. It should have been called a splitter.

This is key, because you can have as many Junction B ports in a bike as you want. They are just parallel wire splitters. However, a Junction A (not a junction) is a special interface that you must have exactly one.

I used the bar-end EW-RS910 Junction A in the end of my extension. That took some Dremel work on both the module and the inside of my extension to get it to fit. I got a good friction fit, so it requires no other tape to secure, and neither will it come out on its own. I also drilled a couple wire exit holes on my extensions near the back end of spacers so that I have a totally hidden wire path. The net result is that I have only one Di2 wire visible on the cockpit going from the stem into the frame.

Following are some summary bullets along with pictures of the Shimano topology I used along with a diagram of my specific design.
  • The total package is complicated. It is 19 parts on the bike, each of which must be individually selected (except for the shifters, which you buy in pairs).
  • I chose Ultegra RD & FD, because DA commanded a $350 price premium for just 66g in weight savings. I could find no other written benefit or advantage of DA.
  • I chose Dura Ace brake shifters because there were very close in price, and because they say “Dura Ace,” which I do like.
  • Even choosing the correct battery charger is confusing, due to different types of batteries and generations.
  • I also used the method of measuring the wire lengths and then adding 10%. This gives you too much wire for the long runs and not enough for the short runs. Instead, I would probably modify that to add 20% for runs under 400mm and 10% above 400mm.
  • You can put buttons nearly anywhere you want and individually program their functions. I may add another button on my extensions to change Garmin screens.
  • I chose the single-button shifters for both my extensions and brakes. This commits me to Synchro-only. I think I prefer that, because it is a lean installation. But, you could mount a mix or two-buttons both places and use the convenient Junction A to easily shift between modes.
  • Be alert to correctly attach the RD to the frame with Shimano’s new direct mount adapter. That adapter piece is supposed to be horizontal and there is a tab that should nestle into the B-screw stop on the RD hanger.
  • Routing cables can range from easy to PITA, depending on your frame. It is very easy on an IA16. I pushed the RD cable in from the RD end, and it came out at my fingertips at the BB. And, I just dropped the other cable in at the calpac area and it showed up at the BB area with everything else.
  • Routing cables through the Alpha X was pretty easy as well. I recommend removing the brake cable housings first to make more space for the Di2 cables. Then, reinstall the brake cable housings after you have the Di2 cables in.
  • I choose the EW-JC130-SM splitter for my brake cables, because that let me use a 4-port Junction B instead of the 6-port Junction B.
  • Don’t forget to get all of the frame grommets you will need.
  • My Profile Design T1+ Carbon extensions had a ridge where the tube got thicker about 15mm in. This interfered with the EW-RS910, so I had to Dremel that smooth a few more mm in to allow room for the length of the EW-RS910.
  • The FD has a little plastic cover that routes the cable behind it to keep it from hitting the wheel. (This is not shown in my FD pictures.) Don’t forget this little piece.

My parts list:
  • Rear Derailleur RD-R8050
  • Front Derailleur FD-R8050
  • Brake Shifters ST-R8060
  • Bar Shifters SW-R9160
  • Bar-end Junction A EW-RS910
  • Junction B 4-port 2x SM-JC41
  • Wireless Unit EW-WU111
  • Battery BT-DN110
  • Battery Charger SM-BCR2
  • Cable Brakes-B1 EW-JC130-SM
  • Cable Extension-A 400mm
  • Cable Extension-B1 500mm
  • Cable A-B1 200mm
  • Cable B1-WU101 150mm
  • Cable WU101-B2 800mm
  • Cable B2-Battery 250mm
  • Cable B2-FD 300mm
  • Cable B2-RD 650mm

The forum only allows a few pictures per post, so I will follow with a few more posts with additional pictures. These are Shimano's topology that I used as reference, my specific design, and all the stuff I had to buy. Last is the finished cockpit with just the single cable going from the cockpit to frame.








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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Been waiting for the email 🤪
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Here are a pair of pictures of my modified extension and EW-RS910. Then, the back view of the cockpit with the EW-RS910 installed and the clean front view. The only imperfection is the front brake cable, which is not easily remedied on the IA16.







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Basebar Cable Routing & Kit [ In reply to ]
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Last is a picture of the interim cable routing in the basebar. Plus pictures of the installed derailleurs.









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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [Pwraddr] [ In reply to ]
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I finally got around to sorting everything out. On a related topic, yesterday I did a 50 mile ride on my newly upgraded road bike with eTap. Electronic shifting is so awesome!
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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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exxxviii wrote:
I finally got around to sorting everything out. On a related topic, yesterday I did a 50 mile ride on my newly upgraded road bike with eTap. Electronic shifting is so awesome!

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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Electrician by trade,

Thanks for sharing, and thanks for the excellent write up.

Cheers,
Maurice
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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for sharing, saving this down for when I upgrade to Di2 later this year.
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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Where did you buy the new calpac cover ? I have the same bike and hate the original cover . Bike looks awesome , hope hear back thanks again !
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Re: Felt IA16 Di2 Upgrade Write-Up [norcal4] [ In reply to ]
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I got the new Calpac from my bike shop where I bought my bike. Felt has a program where they are selling the new calpac for 1/2 price to original (I think) owners. Just give your shop a call. Or, you can order it online from Felt’s website for full price if you don’t feel like waiting or messing wiTh the admin.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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exxxviii wrote:
First, Shimano’s product managers should be scolded for making so much confusion from something that is relatively straight forward.
  • The total package is complicated. It is 19 parts on the bike, each of which must be individually selected (except for the shifters, which you buy in pairs)

Blame Japan. And also, the lack of an online widget that tells you what you need to build a complete kit. But mostly, Japan.

Related - I don't remember the names of their mechanic tools because it's too complicated, and I've taken about a million S-TEC online classes. I have to look up the stupid tool names for almost every quiz.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [PoorLBSEmployee] [ In reply to ]
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PoorLBSEmployee wrote:
And also, the lack of an online widget that tells you what you need to build a complete kit.
THIS. I was trading emails with one of the bike shops, and I told him that the first bike shop to put up a Di2 solution designer will greatly increase their sales.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Nice writeup. But with Alpha X, the eTap install is WAY less complicated and the blip box can be hidden behind the stem with practically 0 wires showing... and about 1 hour worth of install work. But of course, an eTap minigroup rarely goes for less than $1100, factoring in clicks that you will need to make this tidy and a spare battery that you may want just in case.....

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [alex_korr] [ In reply to ]
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I put eTap on my road bike the same weekend. And I agree that its installation is awesomely easy.

I considered eTap for my tri bike too, but I could not figure out a way to hide the Blip box. I was not willing to put the Blip Box inside the frame under the Calpac as some have done. So, the best case I could come up with was attaching the Blip to either the top of the stem cover or under the bridge. This would require two wires exiting from the stem cap and the other two coming in from the extensions-- four semi-loose wires in view and in the wind.

The other thing I did not like about an eTap TT installation was the button configuration at the brake levers. It looks a little less polished to have the blips and clamps behind the brake levers, especially on my bike, because I do not use handlebar tape. I could hide the blips under tape if I used it, but it is still sub-optimized compared to the Shimano approach with buttons integrated in the brake levers.

If SRAM ever decides to create TT brake levers that have integrated wireless and shift buttons (like their road brake levers), then I may remove the Di2 and install eTap on my tri bike.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Great posts, and timely. I am in process of buying the remaining parts I need to upgrade my IA16. Going with 1x11 with XTR rear but otherwise same setup.

Dennis
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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exxxviii wrote:
If SRAM ever decides to create TT brake levers that have integrated wireless and shift buttons (like their road brake levers), then I may remove the Di2 and install eTap on my tri bike.

Seriously. I can barely believe they even released it as is! I think it speaks volumes about the TT market relative to the road market unfortunately.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know if I want TT brake levers with integrated shifters. Cabling them would be a pain in the ass (unlike the road version). The blipbox is actually very convenient for doing microadjustments on the RD (because you can unplug it and get very close to the RD) and it gives you yet another way to shift.

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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alex_korr wrote:
I don't know if I want TT brake levers with integrated shifters. Cabling them would be a pain in the ass (unlike the road version). The blipbox is actually very convenient for doing microadjustments on the RD (because you can unplug it and get very close to the RD) and it gives you yet another way to shift.
I get that, and I considered buying a BlipBox to go along with my road bike for the convenience and coolness factor. But, after doing miroadjustments during the initial setup and then while riding, I decided it would have been a total waste of money. eTap is so easy and cool that benefit is overstated. Regarding microadjustments on the road, that would be very difficult on a well-hidden Blip Box. It would be a blind guess at best. Whereas, doing microadjustments from a combo brake-shifter would be super easy and cool. (It is super easy and cool on a road bike, superior to any Di2 microadjustment scenario.)

Cabling integrated brake levers would not be that different from cabling the current setup. You have to do basically the same runs, but the difference would be one long wire versus two separate wires. And once it is done, you never have to touch it. Definitely a crapton easier than cabling a Di2 TT setup... Want to truly experience a PITA, cable Di2 on a tri bike!
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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So you were you able to use the EW-JC130-SM Y splitter with the DA brake levers?, it did not work with my Ultegra's
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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exxxviii wrote:

First, Shimano’s product managers should be scolded for making so much confusion from something that is relatively straight forward. The CAN bus has been around for decades. My last two cars were built around the CAN bus. I used to have a serial-to-CAN bus interface so I could monitor traffic on the bus. I understand it pretty well, and yet Shimano found a way to make it seem complicated.

That's because it isn't CAN bus :) The first gen 4 wire dura-ace stuff was CAN protocol. The two wire stuff has some sort of phase shift encoding I think (I hooked it up to an oscilloscope once, and quickly decided it was beyond worthwhile effort to decode). Of course that doesn't detract from the valid general complaint of complexity!!
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [ianm] [ In reply to ]
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That's because it isn't CAN bus :) The first gen 4 wire dura-ace stuff was CAN protocol. The two wire stuff has some sort of phase shift encoding I think (I hooked it up to an oscilloscope once, and quickly decided it was beyond worthwhile effort to decode).
You have it backwards. The new DI2 is absolutely CAN bus. The old stuff was point-to-point direct wire-- each of the four wires carried a shift up or down to each derailleur, hence the four wires. CAN bus is a two-wire serial bus. One wire is ground and the other is +5V power & signal. Each device is a CAN interface that sends a network package to the battery control unit which interprets the command and determines the appropriate action based on the shift program selected. Then, the battery decides to send subsequent commands to each derailleur as determined by the button command and programming.

There are a crapton of CAN Bus interfaces in the world. Here's one that was designed for BMWs, but it will work on any CAN Bus. You can sniff the network packages across on a PC with this. And, you can even send commands. The really cool thing is that you can even send commands. http://www.reslers.de/IBUS/
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Yes I know one wire caries power and signal. I've also bought DI2 devices, taken them to bits for the purpose of seeing if there were easy to reverse engineer.
I've also designed CAN bus motor control systems in the past, both the electronics and the firmware, so I'm pretty reasonably au fait with what a CAN bus signal looks like.It ain't CAN!
The original 4 wire was power, ground and the two differential CAN wires - CAN works by the differential voltage between two wire defining the bit value. If you ain't got two differential signals you aint got CAN.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [ianm] [ In reply to ]
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Correcting myself, i've now found a single wire CAN standard :) The signal still doesn't resemble the Shimano one though, as it isn't modulated :)
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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So we're does DA 9071 di2 fall? Can or no can.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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CAN. Shimano switched to the current CANBus architecture with Ultegra 6770 Di2, and it has been the same since. All of the parts since then are kind of interchangeable. For example, if you don’t want to go synchro, you could use the 2-button shifters from either 9070 or 6800.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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    I am thinking of doing this same upgrade with the same bike. Any changes you would make? Different parts, cable lengths, etc.


    How is the synchro-shift working out?


    Great information btw!!




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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Edit: I should have read the first post!! đź‚đź‚ let me digest that and see if I still have questions.

Since you’re very well versed on this and I don’t know my arse from a hole in the ground.

I have mechanical 1x on my TT bike, but after looking at prices for an ultegra di2 rear derailleur I’m thinking I might want to upgrade (solely to remove the mechanical cable going from extension into frame).

What all would I need to buy to do this? I have tririg alpha x bars and I believe you can put one of the junction boxes in there but I think you need another that I could place in BB? I have a dimond so think I’d also have to put battery in BB too? Would I have to remove BB to charge or could I route a cable up to the headset for charging? Cables? Would only want to go with the click things on extensions, no brake shifters.

Thanks!
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Very impressive post and project. Thank you for sharing - I love in-process pics.

" I take my gear out of my car and put my bike together. Tourists and locals are watching from sidewalk cafes. Non-racers. The emptiness of of their lives shocks me. "
(opening lines from Tim Krabbe's The Rider , 1978
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [blackadder] [ In reply to ]
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I would do it exactly the same...

I measured my long runs too long. It turns out that I did a pretty good job of measuring the direct length, so on those long runs, 10% fudge factor was more than enough. Also, I screwed up measuring my short runs from my extension, because I forgot to calculate that I drilled exit holes a little further away from the shortest path.

I wanted to spend extra money to buy all DA, but I could not justify it. After riding a few hundred miles with it, I would buy the Ultegra parts over again. I bought the DA brake/shifters, and I do like the fact that they say "Dura Ace" on the levers, but there probably is not much value to the nominal extra spend.

I absolutely love Synchro on a TT bike. They are a match made in heaven. The single-button end shifters on the extensions is one of the features that swung me to Di2 from eTap. (I love the eTap clicks.) Being able to go totally Zen-mindless and just push up/down while focusing inwardly on a long TT ride is priceless. Synchro shifting lets you zone entirely on your position, ride, legs, whatever, and just like the bike do its thing under you.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Sean H wrote:
What all would I need to buy to do this? I have tririg alpha x bars and I believe you can put one of the junction boxes in there but I think you need another that I could place in BB? I have a dimond so think I’d also have to put battery in BB too? Would I have to remove BB to charge or could I route a cable up to the headset for charging? Cables? Would only want to go with the click things on extensions, no brake shifters.

If you go 1x Di2, you need the exact same cockpit parts I did-- just the up/down buttons up front. If you did just extension buttons, then you only need a 3-port Junction B up front. You could do the same Junction B at the BB but only run a cable to the RD. Or, you could do a 5-port Junction B in your cockpit and run 2 cables back-- one to the RD and one to the battery. Personally, I would do my exact same setup, but delete the FD and FD wire. That is just a little bit easier from a wire routing point of view.

You charge it at the Junction A. So, if you do a Junction A in an extension, that is all you need.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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Thx. Ok, so I think this would be the simplest setup - and cheapest? Damn, still pretty expensive, just looking at RD cost thought it would a lot less! (all prices from Amazon)

Bar end shifters - SW-R9160 ($202)
Cockpit A Junction 3-port EW90 ($76)
Battery - BT-DN110 ($120)
Charger - SM-BCR2 ($80)
B Junction ($30)
RD-R8050 mid-cage ($229)
2x ~500mm extensions to A junction ($50)
1x ~950mm A junction to B junction ($25)
1x ~200mm B junction to Battery ($24)
1x ~650mm B junction to RD ($24)

Adds up to $864

If I wanted to go ahead and route for FD and only slap it on there when I need it total w/FD

$1071

So I went ahead and priced out eTap as well, realizing I can put the blip box down by BB just like battery above. Blip box was a non-starter for me too as I was not going to have it exposed up by cockpit.

Blipbox ($272)
Clics ($121)
Battery Charger ($33)
RD ($610)

$1036

Add FD for $407

But Race view cycles has a mini aero group for $1,198. I'd have to buy the clics separately as this only comes with blips. I did not see any comparable Di2 mini groups available online.

Decisions, decisions. eTap would definitely be easier to install, but not much. Charging would be easier. Slapping the FD on when needed would be easier. I thought Di2 was going to be way cheaper, but not so.
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Thanks for this pricing breakdown. I was going to specifically as for that. Thanks to the OP as well for the in depth breakdown. I have a lot of faith I can handle most of this myself.

Think I'm going to try to get a bike fit next week and start shopping for a new bike. One option that is starting to stand out is building a bike from the ground up. I really want the Tri Rig Alpha X bars /front brake and Di2, so this write up is perfect. The IA frame is on my short list if it fits as well. Not knowing what I need, I've been looking up "di2 TT groupsets" and you end up with cranks and stuff I'm just not looking for. I think building a bike will work best for me as I already have some major things like race wheels. And getting a bike with di2 usually comes with things like wheels that make it cost more than necessary. Also a fun project.
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If you want to save money search for a 6870 group, many places are selling them brand new with big discounts. Also I seen better prices on line that the ones you listed, check competitivecyclist, that is where I got mine.
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got any links? i'm not finding anything. i checked competitive cyclist and they do not have a di2 mini group, but they do have a power kit that comes with battery/charger/junction boxes/cables, but it's $100 more than all those items bought separately on amazon.
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When I was shopping for mine, I had initially priced out parts from four different European shops. One downside, is that I found no one with a TT mini group other than eBay. So, I had to shop for individual parts. If you are going for the lowest possible price, check out Bikeinn, Probikekit, Jenson USA, Ribble, and Bike Bling. I have bought from all of these in the past with good results. I like Competitive Cyclist too, but they were the least competitive for Shimano parts.

The total was lower than yours. But then I decided I would rather have a US shop (if possible) and have another set of eyes. I bought everything from MyBikeShop. I really enjoyed the insights to not miss any parts. And, MBS's price was pretty close to what it would have cost to buy everything overseas. (Because of Shimano's MAP rules, US shops cannot publish good prices, but they can quote great prices if you speak with them.)
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Without pricing out each individual item, are these online discounts larger than ~15%. I get a 15% through my LBS and wouldn't mind going through them if they are close.
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KG6 wrote:
Without pricing out each individual item, are these online discounts larger than ~15%. I get a 15% through my LBS and wouldn't mind going through them if they are close.
I did not look at it that way, but I think it was more like 25% off US MSRP. I created a big painful spreadsheet with my list of parts, and I googled each one to find the cheapest price. I clicked on dozens of online bike store links. Then, I found the lowest prices, and did a logistics exercise to do the fewest number of orders while achieving the best price. In a few cases, I had picked a slightly higher price for a part to avoid adding another store to my order. But in the end, I threw it all away and just did a total order from MBS at their best price, which was probably within 5% of my best price from multiple international bike stores.

I would buy from your LBS. You could save something like $150 by buying internationally, but that to me seems like a small amount relative to the local support and fallback if you forgot something or need to swap something (like a cable).
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Competitivecyclist does not have a mini group, you have to piece it together, I just went back to look at my invoice and they had a 20% off sale on top of their discounted price sale when I bought mine, probably the reason they had the cheapest price at the time, here are a few links for some of the parts I bought, maybe they will help your comparison:
brake/shift lever
TT shifters
Rear derailleur
A junction
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  • Be alert to correctly attach the RD to the frame with Shimano’s new direct mount adapter. That adapter piece is supposed to be horizontal and there is a tab that should nestle into the B-screw stop on the RD hanger

  • Rear Derailleur RD-R8050

Question for as you stated this in your first part of your write up ^. I am assuming this special RD adapter is for shadow style derailleurs (aka R8000, R9100(?), and most MTB style ones). Wasn't aware this part existed since I run 6800/9000 stuff on my bikes (MTB is Shimano Alvivo but that was a full bike so I don't mess with that on too much).

Also, do you use the Garmin sync to the wireless unit to display the gear/battery status and syncro-shift mode? Curious how that looks. I've also mulled using a SC-MT800 display instead of the WU111 as the former has a built in display. There is nothing in the compatibility charts that doesn't say it won't work with a road setup despite it being a design for MTB.

Nearly done putting together a Di2 conversion kit for my road bike (but using 6870/9070 parts instead) and about to put it together (when I can get some time to do so). Deciding whether to keep a WU111 I purchased or return it and go for the MT800 instead. Yes I should be able to use my Garmin to display the Di2 info but I like leaving it as 1 screen and not changing things/flipping pages honestly.
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Yes, the new Shadow rear derailleurs have an extra little pivot stick on them that is different from prior gen derailleurs. It is part of the RD out of the box, because very few frames have the direct mount brackets yet. If you happen to have a DM frame, then you would remove that little extension piece and then mount the RD directly to the frame's DM piece. It is the opposite of intuitive.

Yes, I use the WU111 and and connect to Garmin. It is pretty cool seeing the gear graphics, battery level and shift mode. I actually never use that screen much in real life, though. I do use it occasionally to check battery level-- that is easier than trying to remember how to do it and interpret it on the Junction A. The major impact of connecting to Garmin is that if you use Synchro shifting, your Garmin will beep when your next shift will trigger a FD shift. This is huge, because Synchro will never surprise you with an FD shift. It is part of what makes Synchro on TT a wonderful thing. I am not as much a fan of Synchro on a road bike. Personally, I want absolute control over the FD on a road bike.
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Does the e-Tube app try to automatically force firmware updates? I want to make sure it doesn't do anything screwy with my system without my permission since I plan on running a EW90 junction A (and read that has to be updated via the PC connection potentially and not though the wireless way...not completely sure on that).
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E-tube will not do anything you don’t want it to. It takes multiple intentional clicks to do a firmware update. And, it doesn’t push them. It lets you do you.

I am not sure about the EW-RS910 update. I am not sure if that has come up on the FW update screen. I may give it a peek tonight...
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exxxvii, you are a legend for this write-up. So helpful that even an idiot could follow the instructions.

At least, most idiots. This particular idiot has encountered one problem and would be grateful for your help.

I have the Ultergra brake/shifters (ST6871) which come with etube wires attached. This makes it a challenge to work out where to use the y-cable (EW-JC130-SM).

Did you use some sort of mini-junction to join the y-cable with the cables already attached to the brake-shifters? Or is there another obvious solution which I should have noticed? (Like, purchasing the DA shifters rather than the cheaper Ultegra equivalent?!).
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I have the Ultergra brake/shifters (ST6871) which come with etube wires attached. This makes it a challenge to work out where to use the y-cable (EW-JC130-SM).

Did you use some sort of mini-junction to join the y-cable with the cables already attached to the brake-shifters? Or is there another obvious solution which I should have noticed?
I am not familiar with the ST6871 shifters and the cable type attached. It depends on the type of plug (male or female) at the end of the shifter cables. Is the plug type on those cables the same type of plug as on all the other components, like the junctions, batteries, derailleurs, etc. If so, then a standard cable will attach (such as the Y-Cable). On the other hand, are the cables intended to plug directly into a Junction box?

If they are the former (same as all other components), then you could plug the Y-cable directly into those ST6871 cables. However, if they are the same type of plug as on a standard cable and intended to plug into a junction box, then you cannot use a Y-cable without junctions, such as the 2-port EW-JC200. If the cables are long enough to reach the junction, then it probably does not make sense to try to use a Y-cable.
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Thank you for responding. The plug is a male plug and so won’t link to the Y cable without a junction of some sort.

I could ditch the Y cable, but that would require me to use a different B junction (6 port) in the cavity in the centre of the Alpha X, rather than the 4 port that you used.. That provides two challenges:

1. Locating a 6 port B junction (not as easy as I had expected); and
2. assessing whether that 6 port B junction will fit in the space available in Alpha X.

Do you have any observations?
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You could probably do it with 2 4-port Junction B boxes. There is a lot of room inside the Alpha X, and I am pretty sure you could fit two 4-ports and a short cable between them.

Another option is that you could install an EW-WU111 wireless unit inside the base bar to connect one of the brake levers to the Y cable. Then, on the other end, you could just use a EW-JC200 2-port Junction B between the brake & Y-cable. That would solve it with only one extra part and no discards. The only downside may be lots of extra cable length inside the base bar, but no biggie. And, your down tube cable may not be long enough if you had sized it for an EW-WU111 and short cable to the Junction B inside the base bar.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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...and that is why you are A Legend and I am an idiot. Two Junction B boxes taped together will solve the problem nicely.

Thank you!
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How are you mounting the internal battery BT-DN110 ?

I see Felt spells a cover that holds the battery at the bottom of the seat tube.

I have all my parts and am about to tackle this project ...battery is the only question.
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That plastic cover on the bottom of the IA seat tube doubles as the battery mount. Remove the cover/mount to expose the Di2 battery mount. You just zip tie the battery to the plastic cover/mount, and then insert it all into the frame.
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A-ha! So, I dont need to buy a different cover. Thank you for the info, much appreciated.

Dennis
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Got another question for you. I'm actually nearing piecing out a Di2 upgrade kit for my Tri bike (Felt B12 actually, previous gen that was the last of the threaded bottom brackets). I was wondering which rubber Di2 frame grommets you put on your IA16...circular (GM01) or oval (GM02). Not completely sure on which one to get honestly. I'm thinking the oval but still have to figure out what kind of battery I want to use (have an extra external I could use but still mulling going internal). Besides my battery situation I only require wires and however many Junction B's to finish the kit.
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [loxx0050] [ In reply to ]
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I used a generic round grommet up front and the Felt-branded round grommet for the RD. I have no idea what they are, though. My Bike Shop provided the FD grommet (definitely was not Felt). And, I got the RD from my LBS where I bought the bike.
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I cant say for sure what the size is on the B12, but my IA has the larger holes for front and rear derailleuers. I used Shimano SM-GM02 for both. The Felt cone shape in the rear just didnt work well for my bike, the SM-GM02 has a good angle to it.

SM-GM01 I think is for 6mm holes, the SM-GM02 fit 7-8mm holes.
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Your list is gold!!!!

Thank you for this thread. If you did not do the Bar end junction A EW-RS910 what would have been the other option? I am not sure this will work as a option on a trek speed concept.

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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah, Trek hides the extension bar ends... If I did not (or could not) use the bar end Junction A, then I would have done a standard 5-port Junction A up front.

So, I would have ditched:
  • Bar-end Junction A EW-RS910
  • Junction B 4-port SM-JC41
  • Cable Brakes-B1 EW-JC130-SM
  • Cable Extension-A 400mm
  • Cable A-B1 200mm

And, I would have replaced it with the following parts and home-run connected each of the brakes & shifters directly to the 5-port Junction A.
  • Junction A 5-Port SM-EW90-B
  • Cable Extension-B1 500mm
  • Left Brake eTube cable (measured to length)
  • Right Brake eTube cable (measured to length)

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playero wrote:
Could you please send or post a pic of where and you drilled extension for the wire
Here are a couple different views from the underside. I drilled the holes between the clamping area of the Tririg brackets. I could have also drilled the exit holes on the rearward end, close to where the wires clip into the spacers.




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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [loxx0050] [ In reply to ]
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How much you spent total on your di2?
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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PoorLBSEmployee wrote:
And also, the lack of an online widget that tells you what you need to build a complete kit.

THIS. I was trading emails with one of the bike shops, and I told him that the first bike shop to put up a Di2 solution designer will greatly increase their sales.


Hello All -

A little off topic, but I am looking to upgrade my Cervelo P2 from 105 to Ultegra Di2 this winter. However, I cannot find a Shimano TT/Tri Ultegra Groupset online anywhere. Everything out there seems to be road bike focused (i.e. I do not need the road bike brake levers, I need the base bar ones). Do you have to buy each Di2 component individually? I usually buy my stuff online from Merlin. Any suggestions to make purchasing what I need easier (and cheaper as a groupset) is greatly appreciated!

"The first virtue in a soldier is endurance of fatigue; courage is only the second virtue."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
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Your dilemma is one of the reasons that led me to post this along with the detailed parts list. Since there are no TT upgrade kits offered, you have to do your own research and buy the parts individually.

Try calling My Bike Shop. He put together this package for me and helped verify that it would all work. His price was very close to buying the cheapest I could find from several of the European shops. I am much happier having bought everything from a US shop that can help me if I need it.
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Sounds good - I will try them!

"The first virtue in a soldier is endurance of fatigue; courage is only the second virtue."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
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How much you spent total on your di2?

Which kit? I've already upgrade my road bike and nearly completed piecing together a kit for my TT bike (home stretch on this one with all the major parts and now need little bits).

Road Bike - $660 total (combo of 6870/9070 parts but went with a Bluetooth compatible external battery mount which I really didn't need because after riding around discovered I prefer manual shifting on my road bike so won't run Syncro....I do have the WU111 wireless unit still sitting in the box...will be returning it I think so I could've save some $ going with a previous gen battery mount instead). - So I could've save $120 in hindsight with how I pieced together my kit.

Tri - just under $660 so far but still require 3-4 more wires and some frame internal routing grommets (and most likely some new brake cables while I'm at it). Costs would be cheaper if I went external battery (ended up with 2 buying my kit for my road bike) but opted for a internal battery instead to hide it somewhere in the bike (don't have a Di2 ready frame for my Tri bike). That added some more costs to buy both the internal battery and the special charger for it (could've save $140 or so if I stuck with external battery on this bike too). Combo of 6870 parts and 9071 basebar shifter/brake levers) with a SC-MT800 Junction A Combo/wireless unit (and display).

Those totals so far are actual money paid including cashback rewards/deals factored in. But it doesn't include the cost offsets from selling my take off mechanical bits (already sold my road shift group and will eventually sell my TT shift group parts when I take those off). For both kits I've patiently been shopping around for mostly used parts on the best deals/prices I could find. Most of it on eBay, either winning auctions that went for way low in my favor, finding the right "buy it now" offers and a few hard to get hot items timed just right (aka in stock with certain sellers) with those eBay 15% or 20% off coupon sales that seem to be available at the end of the month to boost "sales numbers". Plus using credit card rewards and referral sites cashback rewards to the fullest advantage when I could (haven't added it up separately to get an exact number probably save me a $100 extra between both kits).

I honestly don't need Di2 but just have a problem always shopping for bike part upgrades...I always gotta have a project going on it seems and just can't be happy with what I got (always looking for what's next to do/try out).
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Hi
What size bike is your IA16 ?

What did you do when the wires where to short ?
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I have a Size 54 IA 16.

In general, you are hosed if your cables are short. The cost of a 2-port junction and short cable is likely greater than just buying a new correctly sized cable and tossing the old one.

I had mis-measured my extension cables slightly (I did not factor the actual routing when I measured), one was barely long enough. I eventually ordered another 50mm-longer cable for the one that was almost too short.
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What size RD did you get? I also have a felt ia 16
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What size RD did you get? I also have a felt ia 16

I think this depends on what cassette you are running. I am actually doing a DI2 upgrade on my SC Gen 2 right now and this whole thread has helped a ton!

Will report back!
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Ditto what Dream said... I got a short cage RD, because the biggest cassette I will ever likely run is a 28 tooth.
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Not really anything to do with di2, but I'm basically building up my ia16 almost identically to what it appears you've done on your's. Ordered the tri rig alpha x with one omega brake yesterday. I believe you changed out the front for sure. Did you swap out the rear brake as well? Did you go with the omega there too? I want sure that was the best option. Seems like the magnetic cover and everything is unnecessary and easily jarred loose in the rear. Not a fan of the stock brake, but unsure what to switch to.
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I put the Omega X on the back of mine too. The other very good option is a Shimano Ultegra direct mount brake. I chose the Omega X because it has the center pull for the easiest cable routing.

The magnetic cover is no problem at all. It is certainly overkill for a rear brake, but it is not a weakness. I have ridden over some very rough stuff that tossed all my bottles, and the cover has never come loose.
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Not really anything to do with di2, but I'm basically building up my ia16 almost identically to what it appears you've done on your's. Ordered the tri rig alpha x with one omega brake yesterday. I believe you changed out the front for sure. Did you swap out the rear brake as well? Did you go with the omega there too? I want sure that was the best option. Seems like the magnetic cover and everything is unnecessary and easily jarred loose in the rear. Not a fan of the stock brake, but unsure what to switch to.

As far as I understand the "cover coming off" thing is the custom cover used for the Omni front end, not the stock one that comes with the caliper. As a point of reference, I have one next to my bottom bracket on my P4, hanging upside down, and the cover just hangs on for the ride. No problem.

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I've got a mechanical Giant Trinity coming on Tuesday. I have 90% of the bits already to convert to di2. I'm liking the bar end junction idea, will definitely be looking to do something similar with mine to avoid filling the bento with a normal A junction. Will wait till the bike arrives first to see how feasible it is.

Thanks for the detailed guide, no doubt I'll be back on this page again!
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Thanks for the responses. Just getting started and trying to consume all this info, shopping around online for some of the best deals, we'll see how it goes.
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A couple of questions:

I have the same bike and want to do the same thing except I won't be doing di2 on the brakes, just extensions. Does this mean I dont need the EW-JC130-SM?

I know Junction B1 is inside the alpha x, but Where do you house the EW-WU11?

Also what tip do you use on your dremel when smoothing out the EW-RS910 and aero extensions? I have PD 50a aluminum.

Thanks
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Correct, if you are not doing brake shifters, then you do not need teh EW-JC130-SM cable.

The EW-WU11 just fits in-line with the cables. It is not much larger diameter than the cable plug. Mine is resting above my stem bolt as the cable passes from the basebar into the frame.

I cannot remember if I used a drum sander or one of the cylinder-shaped high-speed cutters. For aluminum, you would probably have to use a high-speed cutter, if needed at all. Carbon has thicker walls than aluminum, so your extensions may not need anything.
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Thanks for the response. I've read this thread many times and watched many videos and its starting to sink in, ha. I priced out most everything on competitve cyclist, Ebay, and bike discount. It's coming out a lot higher than I anticipated. Without the brake shifter and the jc130, which I'm not using, I'm at $1100. That seems way high to me, I thought I'd be getting some kind of deal in black fri/cyber Monday. Also, on this thread I read 600-700, does this cost sound right to y'all?
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Without the brake shifter and the jc130, which I'm not using, I'm at $1100. That seems way high to me, I thought I'd be getting some kind of deal in black fri/cyber Monday. Also, on this thread I read 600-700, does this cost sound right to y'all?
If you are looking for the current R8050 generation of Di2, then $1,100 is probably about right. I shopped all the best prices very hard, and I was around $1,500 (with a few minor DA extras and the brake shifters). I think that my absolute lowest was a little under $1,400 if I bought from four different European shops.

I have not priced the prior gen 6800 Ultegra, but you might find that for around $1K. No way you will find it for $600-700 unless you are getting used stuff.
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Kmck27 wrote:
Without the brake shifter and the jc130, which I'm not using, I'm at $1100. That seems way high to me, I thought I'd be getting some kind of deal in black fri/cyber Monday. Also, on this thread I read 600-700, does this cost sound right to y'all?
If you are looking for the current R8050 generation of Di2, then $1,100 is probably about right. I shopped all the best prices very hard, and I was around $1,500 (with a few minor DA extras and the brake shifters). I think that my absolute lowest was a little under $1,400 if I bought from four different European shops.

I have not priced the prior gen 6800 Ultegra, but you might find that for around $1K. No way you will find it for $600-700 unless you are getting used stuff.

General warning: I don't know how your IRS works, but Revenue Canada is pretty good at identifying expensive stuff being shipped into the country, so any gain you have from shopping overseas is erased by the duty that gets slapped on. And the problem is that you have no idea how much duty they're going to zing you with. That's the reason even ordering from the US is a game of chance for us Canucks.

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I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow but I still dont know what shifters I want. I rarely go into the small ring, I do mostly flat riding and hills small enough to where I can stay in the big ring. It looks like the two button shifters have more length, is that correct? My current extensions are at their max and i dont want to lose any reach. Also, if i got the two button shifters, could i use all the same wiring and junction boxes?
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I think I finally have all parts on order. Total all in was $910.00. That is with 6800 Ultegra derailleurs and Dura Ace shifters and brake levers that I found used, but in spotless condition (at least aesthetically).

I do have one question on wire length as I still have time to stop an order. I see you have 150mm then the wireless unit, then 800mm. I assume that is enough to get me from the stem to the BB? I'll have a 5 port in the stem of the Alpha X bars and this run will be from there to the SM-JC41 which will split off to the batter/FD/RD. The shifters and brakes I have already have the wire "pig tail" hard wired into them. Having everything meet at the 5 port seems like the simplest and cleanest solution. From there, I'm really just going off of your measurements for everything else since I'm on the IA16 as well.
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I see you have 150mm then the wireless unit, then 800mm. I assume that is enough to get me from the stem to the BB? I'll have a 5 port in the stem of the Alpha X bars and this run will be from there to the SM-JC41 which will split off to the batter/FD/RD. The shifters and brakes I have already have the wire "pig tail" hard wired into them. Having everything meet at the 5 port seems like the simplest and cleanest solution.
Yes, the 150mm+Wireless Unite+800mm gets from the stem to the BB. Actually, it is way longer than I needed. But, that was no problem because the cost was not that much different and the extra cable did make it a little easier to run.

The pigtails on the brake shifters are not long enough to make it to the 5-port junction in the Alpha X, so you will need to get short cables to make up the distance there.
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KG6 wrote:
I think I finally have all parts on order. Total all in was $910.00. That is with 6800 Ultegra derailleurs and Dura Ace shifters and brake levers that I found used, but in spotless condition (at least aesthetically).

I do have one question on wire length as I still have time to stop an order. I see you have 150mm then the wireless unit, then 800mm. I assume that is enough to get me from the stem to the BB? I'll have a 5 port in the stem of the Alpha X bars and this run will be from there to the SM-JC41 which will split off to the batter/FD/RD. The shifters and brakes I have already have the wire "pig tail" hard wired into them. Having everything meet at the 5 port seems like the simplest and cleanest solution. From there, I'm really just going off of your measurements for everything else since I'm on the IA16 as well.

I just purchased everything, just under $1100. Keep me posted on your status as I am doing the same thing. Looking forward to this!!!
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Everything works and all firmware updated. Was nervous as a lot of stuff is used and could not confirm it worked until I got all the widgets. Completely forgot the FD I bought came with the B junction and 300mm wire, so I'm actually 50 bucks cheaper than I thought. $860 all in I believe.

Bars should be in tomorrow. Hope to have this installed by the weekend!!! This write up made the whole thing a lot easier.




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Thought I would give back to this thread for all the help it has provided me. By the way, thank you exxxviii, without this thread I would not have been comfortable doing a DI2 upgrade myself, never mind going the Junction A box into the bar idea. Super sexy!

I did a DI2 upgrade on my Gen 2 Speed Concept. It went extremely well and I am very happy with how it ended up. I wanted to get more reach on my bike and the only way to do it without a headache was with a DI2 upgrade. Good excuse as any to go electronic!!!

Heres the part list all bought online. For us Canadians, I had the joy of worrying about getting slapped with tax, service fees etc. on this all. From my understanding we do not have to pay duty on bike components, so if you are importing make sure you make it EXPLICITLY clear that you are purchasing bike components. However, its still a hassle if it gets dinged, as you have to send a letter to the boarder agency and whatnot.

I spent around 1500 CAD for the DI2 parts, wires ect. and I ended up buying a bunch of parts from Canadian sites during Black Friday. This was to mitigate headache from shipping from the UK. Prices ended up being around the same +/- 50CAD doing this. I did buy some parts from Ribble and Sigma Sports. Funny enough, there was a postal strike in Canada so all the canadian parts were delayed. Not only that, but the UK sites were actually extremely fast... I got my UK orders in like 4 days, over 1-1.5 weeks from the Canadian sites! Sigma sports has a nice feature as well where you can prepay tax, which decreased the headache. TBH I would shop sigma sports again even though its from the UK. With shipping included I basically went with what was cheapest and also convenience factor. I avoided Probikekit because I heard nightmare stories of their shipping. Stuck to bigger retailers from the UK or Canadian sites. By the way, be prepared to make spreadsheets to get this whole thing done. You have to buy it piece by piece... thank you shimano... so I ended up making a spreadsheet and tracking the prices for around 6 weeks. Then I knew the baseline price for them in CAD and tried to see when the prices dropped locally or abroad. This worked really well. TBH I would have saved minimally buying it before or on Black Friday, as the priced barely changed. Best prices were from the UK. Black Friday allowed me to buy more locally from Canadian retailers. The Canadian retailers ended up being the same price I would have paid for them in the UK, but I had less fear of it getting dinged at the boarder.

I also over bought wires due to there being some packaged wire combos on Ribble. I also got some DI2 wires from a Slowtwitch user when I purchased some aerobars from him, which actually went unused. Guess you can never have DI2 wires though in case one gets damaged. The multiple sizes also came in handy when I ran into some wire issues in the build; if I went by the "buy only what I planned" route I would have been screwed and I would need to buy more wires.

My part list:


ST-R9071 Dura-Ace Di2 STI 2x11 Speed (Brake Shifter)
SW-R9160 Dura-Ace Di2 TT Bar End Shifters (Pair) (1 Button, plug)
Ultegra Di2 R8050 11 Speed Front Mech
Ultegra Di2 R8050 11 Speed Rear Mech
Dura-Ace Di2 9070 2 Port TT Handlebar Junction Box
DI2 Cable W/ Junction B (4 pack cables + 1 Junction B) X2
EW-JC130 B Junction Wire
DI2 Wireless Unit
Battery (Shimano BT-DN110 Di2 Battery)
Battery Charger (Shimano BT-DN110 Di2 Battery)
Assorted DI2 grommets (4 oval, 4 round)


Also for my upgrade, I got
Bontrager Mono Plug
Enve TT Extensions


I did not opt to get the carbon seat post for the Speed Cocnept; yest it comes with a "DI2" mount... but you can actually stuff the internal battery in the aluminum seatpost and save $300! Plus I like the aluminum seat post as I can use my bike stand with it. The carbon one would require another stand... and more $$$

Unfortunately I made a few boo-boos when I bought this all. First, I wanted the 2 button ST-R9071 Dura-Ace DI2 brake levers over the newer single button brake sifters. I assumed they came with female DI2 cable attachments but... well... it comes with male cable attachments. So... I bought a B junction 3 piece wire (EW-JC130) for the brake shifters and as a result, I lacked the junction B box to make this work the way I planned. Fortunately I was conservative in ordering the wire lengths and I was able to use the junction B wire to connect to the front shifter and the Junction A. I might go and buy one more Junction B box for the front to allow me to take the front apart a bit easier. The B junction EW-JC130 wire is baarely enough to get this all wired up. I plan to cut the aero extensions a bit as well so this would make it less of an issue, but I would prefer being able to take apart the front end without worrying about the EW-JC130 wire configuration.

The biggest PITA was trying to get the drive side BB out. The shield+bb had basically no room for my Park Tool BB remover to grasp the BB. I ended up having to shim the Park Tool open which allowed my to take the BB out eventually. Not a huge fan of the design but otherwise I did not encounter any notable disassembly hiccups.

All in all, with taking this thing apart, installing DI2, inspecting all the parts, putting it back together and indexing ect. it took around 12-15 hours- I took my time but I made sure each bolt was greased again, cleaned the parts and basically did an entire rebuild of the bike. Cable routing was not too big of an issue- I followed the existing Mech cables and made a few DIY wire cable tools. One of them came in handy for the battery as well. I bought 2 cheap shifting cables and glued a magnet to each side. Then I could route them from both sides and connect them in the middle, and tape the cable to one guide and pull it through. I still have to purchase a new brake cable for the front and a screw for the brake cover as it seems to be almost stripped. Fortunately its trainer season for the next 4-5 months at least so no need for those parts! I am also really happy I took the whole thing apart. Not only do I know everything about this bike, but I got a chance to clean those hard to reach places and apply some TLC to them. I do not know how detailed your LBS will be on cleaning the bike, but there is something to say about getting at every single screw and bolt. I also understand why you might want to spend some $$$ to make someone else do it... it can be a PITA. However its totally worth it imo.

I was able to hide the DI2 Junction A box in the extensions. I was worried about having to file down the internal bar diameter and also the Junction A box but the bars actually came with the internal diameter shaved down from the factory. I guess the ENVE Aero Extensions are "ready" for this whole project from the get go. From what I could read online, there was a few manufactures that seemed to make sure the ID of the bars fir the Junction A box, but in the end its hit and miss. I was lucky I had to do no work, but I was ready to sand that sucker down if required. The outer "holder" for the Junction A box had to be sanded down as the Speed Concept aerobar mount got in the way. I filed down the outer frame for the A box by around 30-45% and it fits perfectly now. I plan to cut around 20mm of the aerobar so I can bring them back a bit. Right now they are a tad bit long, but they are a HUGE improvement on the "Ergo" Bontrager SC bars. I can actually get fully stretched out now and my shoulder is much happier.

I'll add some pics of my DI2 build once I figure out how to upload them. Let me know if you have any questions

https://imgur.com/a/vN5BvtY
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Re: Di2 Detailed Upgrade Write-Up (Felt IA16) [Aid.dre.an] [ In reply to ]
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Slight diversion. If you've only got the single-button shifters (either aero only and/or plus single brake levers), you're committed to (full) synchro only right? My question then is, what use are the gearing modes on the Junction A box? Or do they become redundant at that point?
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BMS wrote:
Slight diversion. If you've only got the single-button shifters (either aero only and/or plus single brake levers), you're committed to (full) synchro only right? My question then is, what use are the gearing modes on the Junction A box? Or do they become redundant at that point?

Oh good question! I havnt had a chance to completely screw around with it but the answer is no, you are not only allowed to use synchro. You can assign for example the FD changes to the brake buttons and the aero buttons to activate the Rd for example. You can also assign weird combos like fd for the left shifters and Rd for the right shifters and whatever combo you want.

To piggyback on this, cool thing I found was that I can do full synchro with the single buttons and since I got the older di2 brake lever, I can change the FD with the extra button!! It's awesome! So happy I went with the older button. I duno why they started going single button only. Now I can go synchro only, synchro with the FD control (my favorite, likely gonna stick with this especially since I live near the mountains) or doing some funky single button shifting wizardry.

You can also set different modes to the junction a from my understanding. Again I have not had a ton of time with it but for example, if you had a shallow rim and different cassett type, you could have a specific setting to run that setup. Then when you go deep rim and tighter cassette type, you might want it to synchro shift at a different gear ratio (in stead of cross chain switching at say 2 gears left, you can switch at 3 left, so your like 1-8 into 2-3 instead of 1-9 into 2-2 if that makes sense).

Unfortunately my Fenix 5 watch dosnt seem to pair with the di2 controls so I need a dedicated bike computer to do screen switching and such :(
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Aid.dre.an wrote:
Oh good question! I havnt had a chance to completely screw around with it but the answer is no, you are not only allowed to use synchro. You can assign for example the FD changes to the brake buttons and the aero buttons to activate the Rd for example. You can also assign weird combos like fd for the left shifters and Rd for the right shifters and whatever combo you want.

Wow, really? So even though full synchro you don't have FD control, you 'could' set it up such that single aero + single brake button acts like defacto two-button, thus giving you semi-synchro functionality, that is both cool and wierd!

Aid.dre.an wrote:
You can also set different modes to the junction a from my understanding. Again I have not had a ton of time with it but for example, if you had a shallow rim and different cassett type, you could have a specific setting to run that setup. Then when you go deep rim and tighter cassette type, you might want it to synchro shift at a different gear ratio (in stead of cross chain switching at say 2 gears left, you can switch at 3 left, so your like 1-8 into 2-3 instead of 1-9 into 2-2 if that makes sense).

Right, I could see that being useful, for my personal setup (in the process of upgrading to Di2), I could see me perhaps having different (full synchro) gearing modes for outside riding, and then riding on the indoor trainer.
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BMS wrote:
Aid.dre.an wrote:
Oh good question! I havnt had a chance to completely screw around with it but the answer is no, you are not only allowed to use synchro. You can assign for example the FD changes to the brake buttons and the aero buttons to activate the Rd for example. You can also assign weird combos like fd for the left shifters and Rd for the right shifters and whatever combo you want.

Wow, really? So even though full synchro you don't have FD control, you 'could' set it up such that single aero + single brake button acts like defacto two-button, thus giving you semi-synchro functionality, that is both cool and wierd!

Aid.dre.an wrote:
You can also set different modes to the junction a from my understanding. Again I have not had a ton of time with it but for example, if you had a shallow rim and different cassett type, you could have a specific setting to run that setup. Then when you go deep rim and tighter cassette type, you might want it to synchro shift at a different gear ratio (in stead of cross chain switching at say 2 gears left, you can switch at 3 left, so your like 1-8 into 2-3 instead of 1-9 into 2-2 if that makes sense).

Right, I could see that being useful, for my personal setup (in the process of upgrading to Di2), I could see me perhaps having different (full synchro) gearing modes for outside riding, and then riding on the indoor trainer.

Well I should clarify, I have a 2 button brake shifter so I have the option of running full synchro with FD control. I thought I would have to give it up if I went full synchro. That is not the case. However, I think you COULD set it up so the aero buttons control rear derailure and single brakes control front derailure only, which would give you FD control. However, you need to shift from the aero bars which kinda defeats the purpose of the di2 :/

Gets even weirder becuase you could set the FD shift up to be like left aero button and Rd down to be left brake and make it all screwed up lol!

Yeah the only thing is you need to select your gear range prior to riding a new cassett setup, so if your going from a say 11-23 to 12-28 or whatever you need to use the app. At least that's what I understand. I don't think you can do say function 1 to be your cassette 1 and function 2 to be cassette 2 on the junction a box. You need to do that on the app or computer. Don't quote me on that though, as I only screwed around with this for a few days.
Someone more experienced might be able to confirm this
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"The FD has a little plastic cover that routes the cable behind it to keep it from hitting the wheel. (This is not shown in my FD pictures.) Don’t forget this little piece."

Hey what's up. I cant seem to figure out where this piece goes. There is also a little silver piece, is that used at all? Do you have a pic? Or can you explain where it fits? Thanks!
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You can see both in this picture... The silver sticker sticks on the frame, behind the derailleur hanger bracket and is what the "support bolt" contacts when you adjust it. The purpose of the support bolt is to maintain the FD's angle when shifting. The silver thing protects the frame.

This also exposed how dirty my bike is. I need to give it a very good cleaning.


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Got the plastic thing! I understand where the metal piece goes, but I dont see a support bolt. Am I missing that or will I see it when I take it off?
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Check out page 39 in the Shimano Di2 installation manual. Out-of-the-box, that screw is fully retracted within the FD. After you install and align the FD, you extend that screw until it just touches the sticker you stuck on the frame.

http://si.shimano.com/.../DM-R8050-02-ENG.pdf



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The support bolt also called the 'rotation angle screw' (see here for reference)





The metal thing (Frame protector), is only absolutely necessary when the rotation angle screw contacts carbon. In the felt example shown here, it looks like the rotation angle screw contacts the aluminum front derailleur plate, so the frame protector isn't of much benefit.
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Thank you!!!
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This is one of those I don't know what I don't know questions. I have a 10 speed Felt DA with Enve 10 speed 6.7 wheels. I'd love to upgrade to di2 but I'm at a loss as to whether it's necessary to upgrade to 11 speed at the same time. If I stick with 10 speed would the parts list change?
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This is one of those I don't know what I don't know questions. I have a 10 speed Felt DA with Enve 10 speed 6.7 wheels. I'd love to upgrade to di2 but I'm at a loss as to whether it's necessary to upgrade to 11 speed at the same time. If I stick with 10 speed would the parts list change?
I don't know either. The first question is "what makes a Di2 behave as 10 speed... is it a configuration setting in the SW or is it a least common denominator component?" I do not think it is a SW configuration setting. Therefore, my hunch is that if you install a 10 speed RD, the system identifies as 10 speed and the whole thing works as 10 speed.

If you stick with Ultegra 10 speed Di2, a lot of the parts could be the same or similar. For example, you could buy the older 10 speed FD and RD, but all the rest could probably be the latest.

On the other hand, your only 10 speed stuff on the bike would be the cassette and chainrings. If your Enve wheels could accept an 11 speed cassette or could be converted to 11 speed, there would be very little difference in trying to keep it all 10 speed versus upgrading to 11 speed.
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Thanks, a 11 speed conversion might be the way to go. I know Chris King has a 11 speed conversion kit (for $309). I'll look to see if there's a cheaper workaround...I know DarkSpeedWorks has a workaround. I've been running Powertap C1 chainrings...I'm guessing they're 11 speed compatible...need to verify.
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One workaround to consider is use of an 11 speed 11-34 HG-800 cassette which are designed such that they still fit on a 10 speed hub. That can get you along until you can upgrade your wheel to 11 speed.

See this article for more details: https://cyclingtips.com/...34t-cassette-review/
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Thanks, that’s certainly an option if my derailleur could handle the 34. I’ll probably just end up biting the bullet and get the CK conversion kit...looks like it’s $346 + another $20 to redish the wheel...cheaper than buying a new wheel.
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Can you not just buy an 11spd cassette and have 1.8x mm machined off the back? That's what loads of people have done with great success. Should be pretty inexpensive
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I’ve gone through the whole topic and it’s helped me a lot in installing my own Di2 groupset. For now I’ve gone without the Bluetooth interface, so only way of adjusting the system is via the laptop. There are some things that I’m struggling with a bit:

- I have the single button shifters, so stuck with full synchro. However to get this to function properly working I have to set the buttons have to be set to either shift the RD up or down. Can this be done differently?

- if all buttons are set for shifting the RD, how do I make adjustments on the FD without using a laptop?
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TomvdS wrote:
I’ve gone through the whole topic and it’s helped me a lot in installing my own Di2 groupset. For now I’ve gone without the Bluetooth interface, so only way of adjusting the system is via the laptop. There are some things that I’m struggling with a bit:

- I have the single button shifters, so stuck with full synchro. However to get this to function properly working I have to set the buttons have to be set to either shift the RD up or down. Can this be done differently?

- if all buttons are set for shifting the RD, how do I make adjustments on the FD without using a laptop?

I'm glad it was of help, this whole thread was extremely helpful to me and even though I have since sold the bike on a sexy upgrade, knowing how to build the bike up and understanding the Di2 inside and out really helps trouble shooting and doing maintenance in the future.

To be quite honest with you, the bluetooth really only helps me with the data for my Garmin and if I am in a pinch I can whip out the phone and fiddle with the settings, but the computer is like 100x more easy to calibrate and screw around with. The Etube software sucks at least on android and it can crash, which can brick the entire system. TBH just use the hard connection to the computer to do your setting changes if you can.

Yes you are stuck with synchro unless you want to say configure one of the brake buttons to do something else, but tbh synchro is basically the only logical choice for you. TBH on a TT bike its really nice and I only see myself missing the FD control on the weird climbs, which are more location dependent than anything else. For a race scenario the synchro is all you need, the BT helps you know when the FD shift is coming up (but you can anticipate it as well if you are experienced with gearing). You can configure any button however you want though, but with only 4 buttons, 1 on each extension and 2 hands, shifting is really your only option.

Read the Shimano Manual (theres a FD guide to adjustments). I believe the computer is the easiest where you just click to "configure/adjust FD" or something on the computer app and it will let you do it automatically. Otherwise I believe you can use the junction box by doing some button pressing, but I forget as its been a while since I did it; its in the manual. TBH though via the computer is the most simple way, just make sure the FD is installed correctly (lined up and all set wrt bolts being tight) prior to adjustment via computer. Once set its basically set and forget.
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I also agree that the best way to do this in your case would be the computer..

Alternatively, just set the shifters to shift the FD up / down, do your adjustments and then switch the buttons back to shift the RD only.

Also, if you're using R8050 / R9150 or even GRX your front derailleur only has one adjustment bolt. You will have to set up the low limit electronically (using the buttons). The dealer manual suggests you can do this using the TT levers, but I've never tried that muself.

Have a look at the dealer manual pages 137(139) / 142(143) https://si.shimano.com/.../DM-R8050-04-ENG.pdf or https://bettershifting.com/...ne-bolt-derailleurs/

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By default the brake shifters are indeed configured for FD operation. In my enthusiasm to configure full synchro I had already set these to RD control to get full synchro to work. However, this created a problem with setting up the FD without a computer.

I agree that setting up the FD with the computer is by far the easiest, especially given the click-by-click guide that Shimano provides. However, my main concern is with fly away races where I don't necessarily carry a computer. If something goes wrong I would like to be able to solve it without a computer, but it seems that once the brakes are setup for RD control, there is no way of adjusting the FD. It's a pitty Shimano doesn't allow the buttons to be configured per mode, i.e. synchro has a different configuration compared to semi-synchro.
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Yeah, agreed - that would be a lot nicer.

You can change the button assignment using the wireless module too, so if you don't have to tweak things every race then it could be OK doing it that way. But yeah.. that does require the bluetooth module.

Perhaps they'll change this in the future.. we can only hope.
E-Tube Project 4.0 is being released in September, but what changes it'll implement isn't known at this time.

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