Jesus.

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Are IVs banned out of competition? Honestly, I don't know.

So, would getting an IV post race be illegal from USADA/WADA?

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Certainly not legit, but the real question is whether they will be at the Miami 70.3 expo!!

Edit - and did WTC approve of their use of the Miami 70.3 logo for that ad?

You are supposed to get a TUE for an IV, but there is a difference between a medical necessary IV (deemed by doctor at med tent) and then just some shop that is going to pump you full of juice like a Thanksgiving Turkey without necessarily determining medical need.

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No idea whether they will be at the expo or whether it was approved. Doesn't make them seen any cleaner if they tried to associate with Miami 70.3 under false pretenses.

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Any IV outside of a hospitalization is a doping violation.

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I'm alluding to the USAT Nats in 2016 where the expo included a doping firm. USAT took a lot of heat after that for not screening vendors who are pushing products against their rules. Here's the thread.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Surprised_I_didn't_see_any_posts_about_this_after_USATAGNC..._P6058551/?search_string=vendor%20at%20usat%20expo#p6058551

What happened at Arizona?

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...na%20doping#p6109505

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Official race med tents at Buffalo Springs 70.3 and St. Croix 70.3 were loaded with people getting IVs after the race...does that qualify as "medically necessary"? Literally every bed had a body in it with an IV...pretty safe to assume some weren't exactly necessary.

They are supposed to go thru the TUE process yes. Does it happen, no.

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This doesn't bother me in the least (as long as it is post-race). If it is just water & salt, no big deal.

If I have am planning a big hangover in Las Vegas, I'm also planning on one of those mobile IV things the next day. Can't put a price on recovery! :)

It’s Miami. This won’t crack the top 10 insane things you will see this weekend.

No idea what the service includes. This was posted on Facebook but has now been removed fwiw. The reason IV Rule exists: ". It is a fact that IVs can be used to change blood test results (such as hematocrit where EPO or blood doping is being used), mask urine test results (by dilution) or by administering prohibited substances in a way that will more quickly be cleared from the body in order to beat an anti-doping test."


That quote comes from this USADA page: IV Infusions: Explanatory Note

It makes it pretty clear that: "IV infusions during home visits, urgent care or after-hours clinics, boutique IV and rehydration services, and doctor’s office visits are not hospital admissions and would require an approved TUE in advance."

I am big into recovery too, but this still requires the TUE. Part of the Fancy Bear leaks from last year included TUEs for MBK for IRRC IV needed.

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They will also take care of your age-related "hormone imbalance" before the race.

It really is a one-stop shop experience, so you do not have to feel dirty twice.

And 20% off everything!

Amongst other things, Gentera are an anti-ageing clinic. Say no more.

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Are you saying that if you finish a hot race in a dangerously dehydrated state, and the folks in the med tent can't stop your cramping, so they bag you up, that you need a TUE?

Yes, you do, unless they send you to the hospital. Though (and I am guessing here) that it would be easy to get a retro-active TUE in that circumstance.

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This is quote from the link I have posted in an above reply:

"ll IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6 hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE)."

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I should sure hope so. It's concerning to me because while it hasn't happened to me, it did happen to my wife. She raced hard at Raleigh 70.3 this year in the heat, and would up cramping so badly at the finish line that they carried her into the med tent. Then after a few rounds of massaging and salty gatorade-type fluids, they just bagged her. 20 minutes later she was capable of walking out, but not "100% right as rain". They let her just walk out. I didn't even think that would be against the WADA rules since the med staff at the race declared the IV necessary.

According to the link previously posted yes, as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received

Unauthorized use of the MDot logo. Gentera is not associated in any way with the race. I confirmed this with IM Anti-Doping this morning. They have taken action to have Gentera remove these ads.

Gentera posted on here claiming a "misunderstanding." I removed the post and disabled the account. Not the sort of business we want on Slowtwitch either.

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Thanks for the info. Good to know that WTC isn't taking money from this vendor. They don't need to have egg on their face like USAT did when "Nu-Male" was an exhibitor at Omaha AG Nats.

Ironman had a similar issue with an IV-vendor at IMAZ (or IMAZ70.3) last year. Following that, IM Anti-Doping really made some meaningful changes in the way that they worked with event sales & marketing to prevent it from happening again. It was quite the contrast with USAT's response to the Nu-Male debacle. Ironman admitted it's mistake and took real steps to prevent it from happening again. Obviously they can't pre-empt cases like this one, but I was impressed that they had already taken action here.

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Well I'll be damned. I hadn't considered it being used as a masking or diluting agent. I viewed it as a recovery tool, like those blow-up compression leg boot things, or a soak in an ice bath.

I ran Bryce Canyon 100 this year in the blistering heat (fucking hot!), drove to Vegas afterward & had planned to get an IV so I would not embarrass myself at the bars. As it turned out, I felt OK so i passed on the IV. But even in light of this new info, and under the same circumstances I've outlined here, I wouldn't hesitate to do it next time. Odd, because typically, I am a super-stickler for rules.

Am I the only one who thinks there's something funny going on in your head when you think of an IV as something elective to make a night out more palatable when you're a bit run down?
If you've done a major event and you're fatigued and/or dehydrated, get some rest and drink some fluids. If you can't manage the night out, skip it. If it's unmissable, maybe you aren't available for the preceding event?

An IV is a medical intervention. Start normalising that as part and parcel of sport and it's a very, very slippery slope.
Put it this way, I'd be very suspicious that anyone who normalises use of an IV is likely in the habit of normalising the abnormal, or imagining everyone else is doing it. Doping for example.

+1

Furthermore, it seems like there's little evidence to suggest it's any better than oral rehydration outside of an acute medical condition that prevents this method e.g. gastrointestinal distress or vomiting. In short, if your condition is bad enough to require an IV you shouldn't be hitting up the bars in Vegas. Otherwise it's just an expensive way to take a pee.

I agree with most of what you've typed - but dumbasses who run 100's aren't normal to begin with. :)

I only run two or three 100's a year. The majority of the races are nowhere near a rocking, all-night hotspot. So the opportunity to, or even consideration to top myself off with fluids was a pretty isolated incident.

For the record, I've never had an IV. Furthermore, I bet I have taken no more than 3 over-the-counter medications in the last 20 years. You know, like popping an ibuprofen after one of these stupid races. That would count as one of the 3 incidents.

I always feel like I"m hungover for a couple days after one of these long-ass races, so, yeah, I'd be willing to give it a try once to see what effect it would have on me.

As I said earlier, weird, cause I am pretty stickler for rules, and am pretty anti-drugs of any kind.