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I thought detroit was all urban ghetto and shit.......

(Joke, used to visit friends on wolverine (?) Lake. Edit; always for the 4th. Big party. 6-7 years in a row)

I'm guessing it is the 2019 Explorer.

http://www.motorauthority.com/...hots#image=100596245

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About once a year I'll see cars wrapped up like driving in the Colorado mountains. I'm interested to see what engines turn up in the next gen Wrangler.

Definitely the Explorer. The non-Urban Ghetto Edition, I'd say. ;-)

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We see them a lot along the I-70 corridor, both disguised and not.

drn92

Cars in disguises!! I don't know why I find this so funny. Maybe they should be wearing hats and sunglasses??

It makes sense, but it never occurred to me that they would do this.

It is an SUV which means it is shit.

My wife would agree with you, which is why she drives our Infiniti and leaves me with our Ford Edge or my company car (a Volvo V70 turbocharged station wagon). She won't go near an SUV. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Whatever.

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Me, I'm disappointed. I had my heart set on one of those Elio 84-miles-per-gallon three-wheelers. But it looks like that ain't happening anytime soon. So maybe I'm up for a Chevy Bolt or a Tesla Model 3 (rhymes with "Model T" hahahaha!), when it finally comes out? Maybe... :-)

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Depends on what you want to do with it I suppose. If you want to do the Nurburgring as fast as an M5 then, yes. They are indeed shit.

If you want to haul a boat, 3 kids and all their shit up to the cottage... then no, they are not shit.

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They are built to do many things. No good at any of them. Work well in very specific and not common circumstances.

They are good for hauling 3 kids and a boat. This is common in Canada.

Yes, I know that minivans are also good for this.

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If I want to haul a camper, 2-3 kids, wife and dog, plus supplies for a 2-5 day camping trip, what would be a better alternative?

Serious question, because I will probably* be trading in the old Civic for something, and one of the requirements of whatever we get next is that it can haul a trailer.

*probably - I've been saying that the Civic will get us through "one more winter" for 5 years now. It just won't die...

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Minivans are good for hauling a boat?

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The odyssey has a 280 hp engine. Maybe if it's a really big boat you might want 4WD for launching it but something like a pontoon? It would be fine.

My FIL launches his pontoon with a FWD Santa Fe. Works just fine. Shirley a minivan could do the same.

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Your options are an SUV, a 4 door pick up or a minivan. Count crossovers in the SUV category.

I'd go for the 4 door pickup. My wife would not. She'd want an SUV/Crossover.

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My favorite answer to hauling a boat is what a friend of my does. A crappy pick up. He has a 20 year old Ford that he keeps at a friends place and uses it only to tow his boat. This way he can drive a real car and enjoy it. Also like was stated before, a mini van will work.

It is not recommended that you tow a trailer with FWD:

"Having a tow vehicle that has rear-wheel drive, four-wheel drive, or all-wheel drive is important to have when choosing a tow vehicle. You want to have a vehicle that has the option for a rear-wheel drive so that when you are towing the engine’s power is directed to the axle that is bearing the most weight. With a front-wheel drive vehicle, you have more of a chance to lose control of the rear of the vehicle"

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

Drive at a safe speed and don't do stupid things. It works.

BTW, the tow limit for the Odessey is 3500lbs. The average pontoon weighs 2200 lbs. No issue.

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What do I think? I think it's a Ford, therefore a POS.

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can't carry the kids and dog in a crappy pickup (I had one). A "proper" SUV is built on a pickup chassis, but more interior room. more towing capacity than a minivan.

Minivan will pull a trailer up to a certain (not very large) size.

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I am not saying an SUV can't do a job I am just stating the fact it doesn't do any job well. They just get by in all categories.

But why is a pickup better for towing than an SUV built on a pickup chassis?

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Looks like camper trailers weigh more than I thought. So, no a minivan would not work for most trailers (but it will work for most boats)

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I would actually prefer a minivan. All depends on what style of camper we end up getting. a pop-up would be fine behind a minivan.

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My brother has a 2017 Honda Odyssey and that thing is lit. Really great.

My friends just got a Nissan Pathfinder. I think they said towing was around 6000lbs? Like you said, looks like similar specs to the Nissan frontier, maybe even same engine, just with more interior space.

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You're ok with the requirement that you turn in your penis in order to buy a minivan? I wouldn't be ok with that. But, hey, not my penis, so do what you want ...

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We have both an SUV and a 4 door pick up with camper shell. For what you describe we would take the pick up. Mostly because stuff gets dirty and smelly and can go in back of the truck. My SUV is a Hybrid though and has a lower tow rating than a traditional SUV. Either would work- but we would always choose the truck for that job. If we did not have a camper shell I guess we would choose the SUV.

Dirty and smelly stuff would just stay in the camper (assuming we don't get a pop-up).

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Looks cool, but have they tried opening the rear sliding door...

Weight distribution and suspension. A well designed truck is made to carry and tow loads. That is why they suck to drive in. An SUV is designed to tow kinda sorta.

We aren't talking about towing a 5th wheel or a horse trailer, just a small / medium camp trailer. Kinda / sorta towing is sufficient.

Don't need a vehicle to be best in class at anything, just sufficient for the various things I will ask it to do. which will include hauling 2-3 kids plus dog and wife. Can't do that in a pickup. I can in an SUV.

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I am not saying an SUV can't. It's just to do that it loses ability in other areas. It's a pile of compromise.

This is exactly why SUVs make perfect sense. As a people-hauler, an SUV can do just about anything a minivan can do, plus, you keep to keep your penis if you buy an SUV, unlike what happens when you buy a minivan. As a toy-hauler, an SUV can do just about anything a truck can do. So, you are not giving up or compromising on anything when you buy an SUV.

The only argument I have ever seen regarding SUV vs truck for hauling is that an SUV body has a higher center of gravity than a truck on the same chassis, so the SUV is prone to more bounce and roll, but it is negligible in most cases.

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I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with compromise. Every vehicle ever made is a "compromise" to some degree or the other.

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The only people driving SUV's are soccer moms...

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Could be. Better than minivans. Plus, the husband doesn't have to turn in his penis when he has to bus around the kids.

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And what's wrong with that? I can get everything I want in a car/truck if I go out and buy 6 different cars/ trucks. Ain't nobody got money/space for that.

Or I can compromise.

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http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/10-sports-cars-that-couldnt-keep-up-with-a-toyota-minivan.html/?a=viewall

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Do what you need. Buy what you want. Be a thoughtful consumer. Enjoy your purchase. SUVs still suck.

I love big vans and minivans. They are most dope. I dream of a Ford Transit.

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Jack of all trades suck.

My fishing multi tool sucks. Is it the best knife? Nope. Is it the best set of pliers? Nope. It must suck then.

Hot logic.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I'm curious why you think a truck cannot carry 2-3 kids plus wife and dog.

The new trucks (we just got an F150) have massive back seats. There really is not much functional difference between a truck back seat and an SUV backseat unless your wife or kids like to wear really tight short skirts which makes the truck harder to get in and out of. But running boards solve that problem.

 It's great logic. I love driving. Like love to a creepy level. I don't play the radio or like it when people talk when I drive because it takes away from my experience. Dig? So a SUV offends my most delicate and highly refinde senisablities. I am fancy.

Now I don't give a shit about electronics in any form. Can't be fucked. If I feel have to get an electronic device I get the cheapest with less features and don't care about audio or visual quality. My phone and Chromebook would turn your stomach.

It's all perspective.

Have you met our dog? She rides in the trunk of our wagon right now. Don't want to put her in the same row as 2 kids in car seats. If she steps on one of the kids that wouldn't be good.

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Whatever it takes to make you comfortable Nancy. My wife has instructions to put a small caliber bullet in the base of my brain if I ever buy a minivan. Same instructions if I ever wear a sweater vest non-ironically.

Drove a Land Cruiser for 13 years. Now I have a Tundra. I miss the interior space of the Cruiser especially on long vacation drives with two giant dogs, but I use the bed of the truck to haul furniture/dirt/stone/mulch/brush/etc. much more often than I needed the covered space and now hardly ever have to break out the trailer.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

What kind of car do you drive?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Right now I have the dishonor of driving 2008 Ford F150.

Well, there's your problem.

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Truck is my problem. Rather have an SUV than a pick up.

Tibbsy wrote:

Right now I have the dishonor of driving 2008 Ford F150.

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I deserve that.

I have taken to backing into parking spots like everyone else in this terrible state. I do it to be an asshole. It takes the average Texan 45 minute to an hour to back into a parking spot. I can do it in under 30 seconds. I continue to do this waste of time to mock my fellow Texans. I am the only one who knows I do this and I am the only one who would care anyways. Yeah. I am a sad person.

No kidding. I used to drive an F150. Biggest POS I've ever been in. I've driven Toyota and Nissan trucks since, and while they might be marginally less capable in terms of brute strength they are far superior vehicles.

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You never drove my old Silverado then....

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Chevy. Like A Rock.

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Bullsh*t. My LR4 can carry 7 people, gear, tow a boat, out climb most Jeeps, take on snow, mud, and water crossings, and do it in style.

Ah, the Silverado - the minivan of pickup trucks!

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=-1;

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Probably do all that better than most

No, minivans are better than that piece of shit...

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