I like Rogans podcasts. He's good.

Thx for the heads up.

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Is he the dude that was bullied for refusing to participate in a white out protest?

His interview on Dave Rubin was good as well.

I posted an article about him on FB yesterday and compared it to one I recently found about Fareed Zakaria discussing the recent intolerance among college students.

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/bret-weinstein

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Could only listen to a minute of it at work so I googled the guys name. WTF

Have to listen to more of it tonight.

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Pfft. Two white guys talking about racism. What do they know?






/Pink.

Great episode.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

A very good recap of the story:



I am sure business are falling all over each other trying to get graduates from Evergreen to work for them.

Just watched the whole discussion. Hard to imagine any professors at that place are willing to show up at all. If one of my kids were attending, they'd no longer be attending - why would anyone bother at this point?

Not worth articulating any further sentiment.

Thanks for the video, I had not heard about this at all. I rarely say this, but what the fuck. I watched some of the other videos and it's absolutely mind boggling.

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Interesting discussion, thought the first half was better than the second, but overall very good.

The idea that this is in some ways misdirected anger that is focused on a "soft target" made sense to me.

This episode at Evergreen is one more reason (out of a million) I wish my mother was still alive. She was a tenured professor for decades at a famously liberal university and I remember her being in disbelief about earlier iterations of this kind of behavior. Specifically I remember her telling of knockdown drag out arguments with faculty who advocated radical feminist ideas in the 70s and 80s, and she caught a lot of heat for pushing back on some of it. Ironic because she took (and fought) a lot of shit from the male dominated academy over the years - she was an actual feminist in deed who got bushwhacked by other women who didn't deem her radical enough from a theoretical perspective. Would love to hear her take on this.

Anyway(s). I traditionally tend left and will admit to some elitist tendencies, but this kind of stuff as evidenced at evergreen is just plain crazy.

Never imagined I would listen to the whole thing but couldn't stop and watched a bunch more. N have to applaud the Onion, I have never seen them put this much effort into a hoax before. Because no way this shit is real.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

LOL!!!

Interesting to see this thread and the Harvard thread running at the same time. Haven't had a chance to watch the Rogan interview, but googled and read some of the articles, and that sh*t is crazy.
But what is sad is you have both extremes playing out. The whackos who see racism hiding behind every bush and the psuedo-Harvard Skulls building their WASP society on racism and anti-Semitism. It's just bad reality all around.

I catch maybe 1/4 of Joe's podcasts. This is fascinating in a morbidly dystopian sense.

I'm only an hour in, but the two questions that jump to mind are: given the degree of pedagogical freedom and time of influence these professors have to exert over these kids, does he or other sympathetic faculty members feel any sense of culpability for this? And, in the larger sense, has it influenced his thinking in terms of ideology, and how this might be perceived by today's and future students as a logical outgrowth of modern American Progressivism?

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Ha! Wish I could claim that was a purposeful choice of verb, but I have to admit it was an unintentional bad pun.

<<He and Joe do mention that this is PC culture taken to its logical extreme.>>

Joe might, but the professor seems to lay more of the blame at the feet of the postmodern movement and its assertion that logic itself is a tool of oppression. And now, in a meta-meta way, rejection of logic as a tool of oppression is itself being used as a tool of oppression (or that is the argument advanced by the professor as I understood it).

<<I don't think he sees liberalism as the problem, though.>>

He actually explicitly condemns the movement of blacks wanting to reverse (get revenge) their past oppression.>>

Agreed.

<<In the end, though, he's a dyed in the wool leftist and surprise at the treatment he is being subject to is evidence of just how much his ideology has blinded him. How else could he not see this coming?>>

You can be a leftist (or a hard right conservative) and not think that everything will be or should be played out to its logical extreme.

<<On your last point...this logical extreme on the left has been expressing itself for quite some time. Someone who is surprised when it happens to them is either not paying attention or is willfully ignorant.>>

Maybe...I think real world, absurdist logical extreme stuff actually happening in reality like Evergreen is a relatively new phenomenon - last decade or less, say. Maybe he should be more attuned to it, maybe he's got biases due to his ideology or the bubble he teaches in, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he's not paying attention or willfully ignorant. But then, most of the time when I read stuff you write in here, my reaction is some form of "yeah sort of, but I probably wouldn't go that far...." :)

<<I did find it interesting (and personally vindicating) when Weinstein talked about how the "tools of science" have deemed to be racist, bigoted, etc. by the post modern left.>>

Schadenfreude for sure. The proverbial "they" are at risk of being consumed in the real world by their theories. I love me a good theory, but you have to know when to put the brakes on it, and it's usually sooner than you think.

This sounds good, going to try to listen to it later even though despite usually agreeing with him, I find Rogan hard to take.

Just wanted to add that I think we are at a turning point here were even hardcore liberals are asking themselves "what have done".

Maybe. This is the first thread about the insanity going on at our colleges in which they haven't all jumped in and said it was an isolated incident, and it's just a handful of kids being silly, it isn't part of a pattern, and they are sure it's not a widespread problem because they didn't witness this kind of thing when they were studying mechanical engineering 20 years ago.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

but the professor seems to lay more of the blame at the feet of the postmodern movement

You make it sound like liberalism, the PC culture, and the postmodern movement are unrelated phenomena.

If anyone else wants to hear more of Joe Rogan talking about this, they should check out his recent podcast with Jordan Peterson.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

<<You make it sound like liberalism, the PC culture, and the postmodern movement are unrelated phenomena.>>

They're certainly related but they're not the same thing.

Essentially, they are.

Liberalism need not be post modern, but in fact, it currently is.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Well...
I've been on University campuses for all of my adult life and I've never personally seen or even been aware of any of the nonsense people post about here. I can't comment on this because I haven't watched the video yet.

Probably the closest I've seen to this rampant liberalism was at the non-religious private University where I work there was a vote by the faculty to remove the God mumbo jumbo from our ceremonies. But it was voted down.

<<Essentially, they are.>>

Well, if you say it is, then it must be so. Very postmodern of you ;)

<<Liberalism need not be post modern, but in fact, it currently is.>>

Some strains of liberalism are going down this absurdist, Evergreen-style road. But liberalism isn't one, monolithic thing or idea set, nor is it inseparable from PC culture or postmodernism.

You left out the key principle on which this monster has turned.

There is no equality or freedom or individual liberty without Justice.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

^^ this. I've taught and worked at a very liberal public college - and have colleagues/friends at many others and this story is a tempest in a tea pot. Sure one can find stuff like this (PC gone crazy) if one looks for it, but most schools have social issues like sexual assault, binge drinking, meningitis and etc to worry about.

This is the exception and not the rule, obviously, but to your point, a pot doesn't go from lukewarm to boiling over without reaching the simmering point first.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

2:17 in and I've heard passive references to postmodernism and college campuses as soft targets. He did mention a pending course on the subject, but who knows when he hatched that plan.

This place is an oddity. Extremely liberal academic structure with in-state tuition of less than $7k/yr, and a 99% acceptance rate?

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

I don't know where I've heard of Evergreen before, but my impression was that it was crazy liberal. Seems weird to worry about what's going on there any more than the nonsense that goes on at a place like Bob Jones University or other extreme right wing religious schools. I suppose it's the social unrest that gets people worked up.

One should be able to recognize the fire underneath the pot, and the fact that the water temp is rising precipitously. Lotta people still refuse to do so. Lotta others don't recognize that they're already in a boiling pot themselves. (I wonder, for instance, how many people who deny the current equivalence between postmodernism and liberalism believe that gender is not necessarily related to sex.)

Can you expound on your point about justice? I'm not sure I follow.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

I could not agree more. Anyone who believes free speech is important should be concerned about what is and has been taking place. In many different areas or life people are trying to shut down discussions and silence people of opposing views.

I agree this is very disturbing trend and should be opposed.

The pursuit of what is perceived to be Social Justice is what drives people to act in immediate and direct opposition to those virtues Duffy listed. It's not fair, or free, or treating individuals with equality, to demand reparations, for example, but without it there is no justice, and without justice, there is no fairness, or freedom, etc. There's a reason why Social Justice is at the heart of all things Progressive today.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Haven't listened to it but I will. That school is up here in my neck of the woods. Its a school for left-wing whackos. IIRC they don't give out grades...

No, I don't think that's true. It assumes that justice has been denied, or injustices committed against progressives and those who they champion. It isn't so, for the most part.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that social justice is an inherent evil. There are plenty of areas in which I think they're on the right track (criminal justice reform, first and foremost), though it can easily be used to justify injustice toward others in an attempt at tilting the playing field in the historically opposite direction.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

I don't think it's true, either. I was explaining how the concept is central to Progressive's worldview, and how it's incompatible with those liberal virtues Duffy listed.

Wholly incompatible.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

Ah, I gotcha now. I was misunderstanding you.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Didn't listen to the podcast, but read the WSJ article. Then watched a bunch of videos of demonstrations, etc., at the college. As Sam Harris says, it's the "irredeemable left."

Don't you think this progression starts way before they are in college?

They stopped using grades A-F because this could hurt some feelings

No red markers to highlight mistakes

Endless participation trophies

3 different bathrooms...

US history consist more about the negatives, than it's great accomplishments...

Liberal indoctrination of entitlement for 12 years gotta leave a mark

My neighbor's kid (4) just graduated from "preschool" They had a full on cap and gown ceremony. Oh yeah, it was sooo cute... as I shake my head ruefully.

His words echo through my head every time I see flare-ups like this. While I maintain hope for the ostensibly well-intentioned individuals who get caught up in this nonsense, the wing of progressivism that cultivates and capitalizes on their confusion, without question, is.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

In a sense he also said the swamp needs draining and Trump has a better chance at that then Hillary would have. He also said they may try to take Trump down.

I've listened to a good chunk of it, will finish it today. Crazy situation, sounds like the president screwed up royally and gave the keys of the nuthouse to the patients. Good on Weinstein for standing up to the craziness. Wish there was something out there with a more insightful interviewer.

It's not an intelligent position to take but it's pretty effective with the brainless masses. Look at the Paris accords, if you question mans impact on the earths temperature you're a science denier. If you voted for Trump it's because you're sexist. The list goes on and on.

President George Bridges has to go and then replaced by R. Lee Ermey. It is these kids only hope to survive the real world.


"If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit! Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair.






The pathetic list of demands from the children: (Of course Geogie capitulated to most of them)


We demand the creation of a permanent position that will support undocumented students. This position will have a budget that will create scholarships, housing, and protections.

We demand that the video created for Day of Absence and Day of Presence that was stolen by white supremacists and edited to expose and ridicule the students and staff be taken down by the administration this Friday.

We demand Bret Weinstein be suspended immediately without pay but all students receive full credit.

We demand an official statement on each of these demands from George Bridges that is divided up into 10 sections on this Friday May 26th, 2017.

We demand that no changes to The Student Code of Conduct be made without democratic student consent

.We demand that Officer Timothy O’Dell be fired and suspended without pay while an investigation takes place.

We demand the immediate firing of Andrea Seabert Olsen, the Assistant to the VP for Student Conduct, from all Evergreen State College positions.

We demand the immediate disarming of Police Services and no expansion of police facilities or services at any point in the future.

We demand mandatory sensitivity and cultural competency training for faculty, staff, administrators, and student employees.

We demand the creation of an Equity Center We demand for the coordinator of the Trans & Queer Center to be permanently hired full time.

We demand the creation of a position that will support undocumented students.



Not to be outdone, a coalition of dozens of faculty and staff have signed their own letter, and it’s one of the most craven academic documents I’ve ever read. It begins:

We acknowledge that all of us who have power within the institution share responsibility for the racist actions of others. Furthermore, those of us who are white bear a particularly large share of that responsibility. We acknowledge that we have a great deal of work to do in order to honor and live up to the demands made by student leaders during last week’s protests.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/...emand-censorship-and

And then later, during one of the protests, demanding to know what the administration was going to do to protect them from the off-campus racists and bigots...

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