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Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally.
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" While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally...."

A concerning statistic.

http://www.pewresearch.org/...her-religious-texts/
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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Concerning because 4 in 10 is low or because you believe 4 in 10 are loons?

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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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How did they define "literally"? I know that sounds silly in one way, but when the definition of "god" is so widespread in Christendom the definition of literally should carry weight with such a poll. Honestly, there's one named god in Christianity, but in actual Christian practice the reality is that many Christians aren't even really referring to the same thing when they say they believe in God. That's an entirely different subject, but a way of saying that these sorts of polls are probably more opaque than clarifying on the subject.



Double-Double wrote:
" While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally...."

A concerning statistic.

http://www.pewresearch.org/...her-religious-texts/
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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Well, among other things, seems to be a lot of death penalty punishments in the bible for behaviours that are acceptable today.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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" A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God."

Only 18%...!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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last tri in 83 wrote:
Concerning because 4 in 10 is low or because you believe 4 in 10 are loons?

Concerning because.....CHRISTIANS!!!!!! RELIGION!!!!!!! But mostly CHRISTIANS!!!!!!


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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Rodred] [ In reply to ]
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Don't say any of my trigger words or I will stone you or mangle your clit!!!

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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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last tri in 83 wrote:
Don't say any of my trigger words or I will stone you or mangle your clit!!!

Depending on your trigger words, Leviticus 24:16 is your go-ahead.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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Are you worried about being stoned?

They constantly try to escape from the darkness outside and within
Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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I'm just hair away from going all old testament on you.

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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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Double-Double wrote:
last tri in 83 wrote:
Don't say any of my trigger words or I will stone you or mangle your clit!!!


Depending on your trigger words, Leviticus 24:16 is your go-ahead.




udud (Arabic: حدود Ḥudūd, also transliterated hadud, hudood; singular hadd, حد, literal meaning "limit", or "restriction") is an Islamic concept: punishments which under Islamic law (Shariah) are mandated and fixed by God. The Shariah divided offenses into those against God and those against man. Crimes against God violated His Hudud, or 'boundaries'. These punishments were specified by the Quran, and in some instances by the Sunnah.[1][2][3] They are namely for adultery, fornication, accusing someone of illicit sex but failing to present four eyewitnesses,[4][5] apostasy (opinion is not unanimous on this crime.[6]), consuming intoxicants, outrage (e.g. rebellion against the lawful Caliph, other forms of mischief against the Muslim state, or highway robbery), robbery and theft.[7][8] Hudud offenses are overturned by the slightest of doubts (shubuhat).[9] These punishments were rarely applied in pre-modern Islam.[10]
These punishments range from public lashing to publicly stoning to death, amputation of hands and crucifixion.[11] The crimes against hudud cannot be pardoned by the victim or by the state, and the punishments must be carried out in public.[12] However, the evidentiary standards for these punishments were often impossibly high, and they were thus infrequently implemented in practice. Moreover, the Islamic prophet Muhammad ordered Muslim judges to 'ward off the Hudud by ambiguities.' The severe Hudud punishments were meant to convey the gravity of those offenses against God and to deter, not to be carried out. If a thief refused to confess, or if a confessed adulterer retracted his confession, the Hudud punishments would be waived.[3][9]
In most Muslim nations in modern times public stoning and execution are relatively uncommon[citation needed], although they are practised in Muslim nations that follow a strict interpretation of sharia, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.[13][14]


Im sure you see the difference.


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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Rodred] [ In reply to ]
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Rodred wrote:
last tri in 83 wrote:
Concerning because 4 in 10 is low or because you believe 4 in 10 are loons?


Concerning because.....CHRISTIANS!!!!!! RELIGION!!!!!!! But mostly CHRISTIANS!!!!!!

One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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last tri in 83 wrote:
Don't say any of my trigger words or I will stone you or mangle your clit!!!

You and Rodred should get a room. That way, we can stone you.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Rodred wrote:
last tri in 83 wrote:
Concerning because 4 in 10 is low or because you believe 4 in 10 are loons?


Concerning because.....CHRISTIANS!!!!!! RELIGION!!!!!!! But mostly CHRISTIANS!!!!!!

One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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Kay Serrar wrote:
" A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God."

Only 18%...!

And the balance?
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
Are you worried about being stoned?

Only if they pull him over while driving
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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U.S. history books also talk about the time this country endorsed slavery as a legal practice and defining non-Caucasians as being legally worth less than a Caucasian.

Just because the Bible talks about what was at one time doesn't make those practices any more acceptable today than slavery is in our country today. Your understanding of the Jesus of Christianity is simplistic if you think that just because ancient, bronze age people thought of what they identified as God at one time is what Jesus was talking about. There's a reason Jesus paid homage and respected certain parts of his heritage and tradition while burning other parts of his heritage -- or other parts of the belief system common in that day -- up in smoke.




Double-Double wrote:
Well, among other things, seems to be a lot of death penalty punishments in the bible for behaviours that are acceptable today.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...


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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...


Well, that and...people float, but can drown. Not sure what makes him think a duck can't drown.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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You take what everyone else here has already said, and then you throw in the fact that literally doesn't even mean literally any more, and I guess you've got a pretty useless research poll.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...


Well, that and...people float, but can drown. Not sure what makes him think a duck can't drown.

not a monty python fan?

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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Double-Double wrote:
" While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally...."

A concerning statistic.

http://www.pewresearch.org/...her-religious-texts/

A guy surviving for days after being swallowed by a whale? Putting two of every animal on a wooden boat? Yeah, that could really have happened. These people must have voted for Trump.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

Um ISIS are terrorists ...
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...


That is right. Since the water covered all land it must have been above Mt. Everest. What is called the death zone. Maybe the ducks died of that.


Of course we know that the story about a global flood is nothing but a common story from the middle east.
Same with being born from a virgin.
Looking back, being born from a virgin was quite common. Wonder why things like that stopped.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



That is right. Since the water covered all land it must have been above Mt. Everest. What is called the death zone. Maybe the ducks died of that.


Of course we know that the story about a global flood is nothing but a common story from the middle east.
Same with being born from a virgin.
Looking back, being born from a virgin was quite common. Wonder why things like that stopped.

LOL!!!!!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



That is right. Since the water covered all land it must have been above Mt. Everest. What is called the death zone. Maybe the ducks died of that.


Of course we know that the story about a global flood is nothing but a common story from the middle east.
Same with being born from a virgin.
Looking back, being born from a virgin was quite common. Wonder why things like that stopped.


Actually its a world wide "story".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths


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"You lie!" The Prophet Joe Wilson
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

Um ISIS are terrorists ...

OH NOES YOU JUST DEFENDED ISIS!!!!!!

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



That is right. Since the water covered all land it must have been above Mt. Everest. What is called the death zone. Maybe the ducks died of that.


Of course we know that the story about a global flood is nothing but a common story from the middle east.
Same with being born from a virgin.
Looking back, being born from a virgin was quite common. Wonder why things like that stopped.
Virgin conception never stopped. Apart from the issue of immaculate conception, sperm are noted swimmers.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
" A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God."

Only 18%...!

And the balance?

I guess the rest think it was written by God in one way or another. I thought it was a matter of historical fact that it was written by men. But I guess anyone can believe anything. The most UFOs are spotted in California.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

Um ISIS are terrorists ...

OH NOES YOU JUST DEFENDED ISIS!!!!!!

youve lost me
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
slowguy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



Well, that and...people float, but can drown. Not sure what makes him think a duck can't drown.


not a monty python fan?

Sorry, didn't make the connection. Probably because Grail doesn't mention ducks not being able to drown.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
Halvard wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



That is right. Since the water covered all land it must have been above Mt. Everest. What is called the death zone. Maybe the ducks died of that.


Of course we know that the story about a global flood is nothing but a common story from the middle east.
Same with being born from a virgin.
Looking back, being born from a virgin was quite common. Wonder why things like that stopped.

Virgin conception never stopped. Apart from the issue of immaculate conception, sperm are noted swimmers.

Point of clarification - immaculate conception does not refer to Mary's conception of Jesus, it refers to Mary's conception by her own parents, via normal biological means, and then she was made immaculate so as to be worthy of being Jesus' mother. https://en.wikipedia.org/...mmaculate_Conception
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slowguy wrote:
veganerd wrote:
slowguy wrote:
Sanuk wrote:
One question. During the global flood, did god kill all the ducks or did all the ducks survive?
I really wonder since ducks are floating and cannot drown.

They could starve though...



Well, that and...people float, but can drown. Not sure what makes him think a duck can't drown.


not a monty python fan?

Sorry, didn't make the connection. Probably because Grail doesn't mention ducks not being able to drown.

anytime someone mentions ducks and floating, i assume its a reference.

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

Um ISIS are terrorists ...

OH NOES YOU JUST DEFENDED ISIS!!!!!!

youve lost me


you "defended" isis the same way you said i "defended" christianity. of course, neither of us defended either group.

who's smarter than you're? i'm!
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

I'm putting that in the defended category.

isis are not terroists. careful, if you disagree then everyone will know you defended isis.

Um ISIS are terrorists ...

OH NOES YOU JUST DEFENDED ISIS!!!!!!

youve lost me


you "defended" isis the same way you said i "defended" christianity. of course, neither of us defended either group.

Yeah still not following your logic but whatever
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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It's historical fact that the words were written by men.

Some people believe that God told them, word for word, what to write down.

Others believe that the words were inspired by God working in their life and that it's God's message.

These are the two main Biblicalliteralist camps, in a nutshell. The belief comes from a verse about "all Scripture that is inspired," which I believe is in the book of 1st Timothy if I remember correctly. Of course, however, "Scripture" in that day meant something quite different than the 66 Protestant or 73 Catholic "books" of the modern Bible, much less the exclusion of non-Canonical works that were read by some in the early church. And it also doesn't take into account the fact that we literally don't have a single original manuscript of anything that's known as the New Testament today & early transcription methodologies were dubious at best, downright dishonest at worst. If it is "literal" we don't have any way to say that what's read today is the "literal word of God," not to mention the fact that the Gospel of John doesn't refer to the "Word" as something written, rather something that gave voice and meaning to life.

More open Christians instead take the inspired by God to generally mean a collection of written expressions to attempt to put words and voice to the very human exploration of what it means to be human and find an encounter with something divine that defies explanation and gives a meaning to this existence, not as God telling people what to write. Instead it's an invitation into the conversation of what it is to be human, not the why behind our humanity and an explanation of what we must do & believe.


Kay Serrar wrote:
windywave wrote:
Kay Serrar wrote:
" A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God."

Only 18%...!


And the balance?


I guess the rest think it was written by God in one way or another. I thought it was a matter of historical fact that it was written by men. But I guess anyone can believe anything. The most UFOs are spotted in California.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [Double-Double] [ In reply to ]
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Double-Double wrote:
" While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally...."

A concerning statistic.

http://www.pewresearch.org/...her-religious-texts/

Seems high given that it's roughly similar to those that even go to church on a regular basis.
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [len] [ In reply to ]
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len wrote:
Are you worried about being stoned?

Is it the 2.5 nanograms he's worried about?
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Re: Pew Research: 39% of Christians take bible literally. [veganerd] [ In reply to ]
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veganerd wrote:
windywave wrote:
veganerd wrote:
no they dont. some, take PARTS of the bible literally. even among believers there is wideapread disagreement on which parts are supposedto be taken literally.

You realize you just defended Christianity?

no, i didnt. i pointed out that most christians are ,thankfully, not absolute literalists.

Or clit manglers.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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