I can see why ESM left this forum - now I wish I too had the strength.

I dunno. Guys like BarryP are entertainment.

Do either of them wear a hat at the dinner table?

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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That would require self awareness and honesty.

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Sure, among my friends. But here I'm going to be as Deplorable as possible and defend Trump even if I disagree with him for the next two years just to get a little payback for the last 8.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

The butthurt is strong with this one.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

   I don't understand all the either/or. Just because Trump redefines classlessness for the office, does not mean that Obama was not classless on a number of occasions.

"Because he's the President America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll flame him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a tweeting guardian, a watchful sex-predator. A dork knight."

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You're like school in the summertime....no class.

Call it what you will, but every pro-gun rights law, every round up of illegal immigrants, every break from tradition, every repeal of democrat/Obama laws and policies, every repeal of green legislation, every appointment, and every outrageous treat that pushes us closer to the abyss will be cheer led by me for at least two years. Depending on who the dems put up, I may extend it beyond that.

I may give entertain debate on unquestionable support for law enforcement, law enforcement reform, policy that reasonably encourages energy efficiency, illegal immigrant families who committed no other crimes being deported.

You, democrats and liberals created the shit storm that made America ripe for trump. I'm just embracing it.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

Is trump going to deport more people than obama? Onamas the current record holder. Can trump keep up?

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

We'll see. I doubt it actually. They will focus on the clear and present threat that provides better optics. Like the Illegal immigrants that inhabit much of our prison populations.

Immigration enforcement isn't really my thing. I look at it from an economic perspective. Including one that says how can you demand a minimum wage while at the same time allow illegal immigration to fill jobs Americans "won't do".

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

The notion that Obama has deported more people than any other president has been repeatedly debunked. The only reason that number went up is because they changed who counted as "deported."

http://www.latimes.com/...-20140402-story.html

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C'mon spot. You know that vegan likes to use his own facts.

I think the point is that the republican claims of Obama being "classless" were, to some, quite a stretch. Now we have a president that is anything but classy, so the comparison might demonstrate the unreasonability of the attacks on Obama for his "lack of class".

BarryP wrote:

President Trump... lacks class

Trump doesn’t lack class – he offers classes. The first one is even free.

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Of course Donald Trump lacks class. His hotels, his style hell even his gold plated interior of his apartment are gaudy. But bogans love Trump.

https://thingsboganslike.com/...20/250-donald-trump/

My favorite excerpt.

Donald Trump is everything that the bogan wants from being a bazillionaire: he started by investing in residential real estate, and then became max celeb. Eventually, he scored a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, walked past countless velvet ropes, and now co-owns the Miss Universe beauty pageant. The bogan is also inspired by the idea that Trump gets to be an arsehole to people without repercussions. The 65 year old New Yorker was in Australia recently to record a cameo appearance in Celebrity Apprentice, reminding the bogan that its reality television-driven admiration of Trump is based on solid bogan philosophy.

You won't get any defense of Trump's class, or lack there of from me. But like I said, Obama lowered the dignity of the president so much that the time was just right for a bogan idol like Trump.

Thanks Obama.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

You have a funny definition of debunked.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

You have a funny definition of debunked.

What definition are you laboring under?

From spot's link:


Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.
On the other side of the ledger, the number of people deported at or near the border has gone up — primarily as a result of changing who gets counted in the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's deportation statistics.

The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now.

BTW, thanks for that info, spot. Was news to me.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

    Changed the definition. If you were turned away at the border, that did not count as a "deportation" before Obama.

No, I have the standard definition. Did you even read the article?

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I think most of Trumps personal actions look classless...think of it this way, if a female acted this way, all the guys would call her "batshit crazy". I'm less and less hopeful that Trump can hold it together for a presidential term.

Wrong. The article explains that obama did not start that. A previous president did. But as usual, lets blame obama!

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Yes, the article notes that the change took place under Bush. But that's not really relevant to the "increase" in deportations under Obama, which has been debunked. See my post above.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Trump will be fine. He's got 70 years of experience acting that way. The good news is that the media and Democrats are now back engaged in scrutinizing the Executive role after an 8 year hiatus.

Did you also read where convictions have gone up?

Also, if the definition has broadened, then the claim is true. Feel free to add an asterix but what i said still stands.

If you had the home run record but we later changed the rules to include ground rule doubles as home runs. I can get the new hr record by including those plays as well. You are saying that i cant. Nonsense. I can by definition.

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Stop digging.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Why do you hate fully understanding someones position?

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I didnt say it was. i was responding to daves statement that it was never that way before obama. i see you agree with me on that point, but maybe cant bring yourself to agree so you have to disagree with something else i didnt say? Am i correct in that? Curious.

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I understand your position perfectly. It's just that your position consists of intellectual dishonesty to avoid admitting the obvious fact that you're wrong on this point.

Like I said, just stop digging.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

My position is completely honest. Im not denying any truth here. Can you point to something true which im denying? If you can, id happily thank you and correct it.

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Yes the increase is not an increase in what most people think of as a deportation.

But, these aren't people turned away at the border. They are caught after crossing. And instead of just shipped back, they now have a formal deportation order. That matters. Not only can you be prosecuted if you re-enter, but legally re-entering is much more difficult and usually comes with a 5 - 20 year ban depending on circumstances. And you can be summarily removed if caught again without benefit of even going before an immigration judge.

So the numbers are goofy but the change does have consequences.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Never mind. You're clearing not going to stop digging, but you don't need my help burying yourself. Carry on.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Exactly. It also means that the numbers of illegal immigrants deported with formal records has....dun dun dun....increased!

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Its cool. I knew you couldnt do it.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

That's not what we're arguing. You claim that Obama deported more people than any other president. That is only true because Bush changed the definition of "deported." From the article:

"The vast majority of those border crossers would not have been treated as formal deportations under most previous administrations. If all removals were tallied, the total sent back to Mexico each year would have been far higher under those previous administrations than it is now."

Also, I serious doubt if you have any sort of reference to support the notion that the number of illegal immigrants deported with formal records has increased under Obama.

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Isn't that also how they got the idea that the unemployment rate was ohhhh so low under Obama even though Obummer's analytics changed the definition of unemployment.?

I added another point.


Is this what you intended to write? I feel like you mistakenly omitted a word. I just want to be clear.

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who's smarter than you're? i'm!

No, I edited it so that it now makes sense, as it did not before.

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It logocally follows. We both agree that is how they do it now? Catch people, book them with a formal record, then return them. This is a relatively new process. If so, then the number deported with records would increase.


Also, wouldnt it be grand if we all allowed clarification in debates, as i did here? I think it would be nice. Usually people here just accuse the other person of backpedaling.

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TriFortMill wrote:

Isn't that also how they got the idea that the unemployment rate was ohhhh so low under Obama even though Obummer's analytics changed the definition of unemployment.?

"Obummer" ...

Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you sound?

Make your argument on it's merits if you actually have one and want to be taken seriously. If you just want to be thought of a as a douche bag, moronic troll, then carry on.

Here is a nice list of Obama and Trump nick names. Hey, I admit it, they ARE funny.

http://brainshavings.com/obama-nicknames/
http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald%20Trump%20Nicknames.htm

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Kevin

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My Strava

What is your fascination with butts? Do you and Duffy have something going on we should know about?

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#WeAreTheForge #BlackGunsMatter

"Look, will you guys at leats accept that you are a bunch of dumb asses and just trust me on this one? Please?" BarryP 7/30/2012

Me and jpo? No.

Me and Forge? In his dreams.

Me and JSA? Don't ask. Don't tell.

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Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Ha - I love that Jnr's toy cars are mostly stretch limos

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Thanks, I either had not read, or did a partisan skip-over in articles I've read on the issue.

Ooh a rare mea culpa. Carry on!

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