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The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4
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Eurobike starts tomorrow so let's find anything and everything awesome and post it in this thread.

http://www.eurobike-show.com/eb-en/

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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FSA K Force WE wireless Groupset

SRAM Etap Hydra

New Zipp Disc?

And a $hit load of Ebikes!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Updated Kick'r too
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [kyle h] [ In reply to ]
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kyle h wrote:
Updated Kick'r too

That's what I'm waiting to see!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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An NSW disc would be a surprise as I remember reading somewhere that the NSW disc was a low priority. I don't think discs sell as much as 808s or 404s.

EDIT: Zipps Instagram is showing something coming from the NEST group. Then the next post is their first disc so I think it's safe to say an NSW disc is coming.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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An NSW disc would be a surprise as I remember reading somewhere that the NSW disc was a low priority. I don't think discs sell as much as 808s or 404s.

EDIT: Zipps Instagram is showing something coming from the NEST group. Then the next post is their first disc so I think it's safe to say an NSW disc is coming.

I'm thinking a disc break disc!!!!
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Annonomys539] [ In reply to ]
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If they did that, it would break Slowtwtich haha.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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If they did that, it would break Slowtwtich haha.


Hahaha. I think ST will be broken after Kona then for sure. So much new stuff is being teased and surely there will be at least one disc brake bike revield I hope!
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Annonomys539] [ In reply to ]
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As much as people hate disc brakes, it's inevitable. They will be on tri bikes.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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As much as people hate disc brakes, it's inevitable. They will be on tri bikes.

It's the way it's all going in sure . Once people get used to them they'll be okay. Especially after they try them out on long descents.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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An NSW disc would be a surprise as I remember reading somewhere that the NSW disc was a low priority. I don't think discs sell as much as 808s or 404s.

EDIT: Zipps Instagram is showing something coming from the NEST group. Then the next post is their first disc so I think it's safe to say an NSW disc is coming.

if there is a nsw disc coming, I suppose we may have already seen it? didnt jordan rapp just get a custom impress grapic disc for his new dimond recently? I wouldn't imagine they would let him do that if a nsw disc was on the horizon... so maybe thats it?
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Viper966] [ In reply to ]
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Jordan had the regular Super 9.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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well shit...

no "show stopper" brake track?

bah.. my conspiracy theories suck
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Viper966] [ In reply to ]
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I just wonder if it's worth the development costs to make an NSW disc.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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what development costs?

add show stopper brake tract to a super 9 disc make it marginally wider and change the shape just enough to be different .

show it to the marketing guys to generate buzz words for the new "breakthroughs"

sell them for 3k each to a bunch of dentists on p5's...
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Viper966] [ In reply to ]
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There is plenty of development costs. It's not as easy as you think. You still have to test product to failure, brake track testing, wind tunnel testing, etc. It all adds up. I own an 808 and Super 9. I'd buy the new disc but my 2011 P2 can't take any wider wheels.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I'm on the verge of splurging some money on a new helmet and tri shoes. Should I be expecting some new stuff coming out on eurobike? Or should I go ahead and make it rain?
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
kyle h wrote:
Updated Kick'r too


That's what I'm waiting to see!

me too. i think we'll read the DC rainmaker hand-on in the next few days and this evening (GMT time) there is the DC Q&A with the boss of wahoo !!!
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Fab4mas] [ In reply to ]
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Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Magma wrote:
Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/

they have updated the offil website. the new ones start from 2300 and the frame is similar to the CF SLX line frames...very cool.

i think the CF 9.0 will be my next bike, love it: https://www.canyon.com/...speedmax-cf-9-0.html
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Fab4mas] [ In reply to ]
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Wow that looks like a killer move by Canyon. Brakes in the conventional positions and possibility to put in your own bars but for the rest similarly shaped frame to the top of the line bike. Sure it doesn't look as killer as the SLX but the price is unbeatable.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Annonomys539] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
An NSW disc would be a surprise as I remember reading somewhere that the NSW disc was a low priority. I don't think discs sell as much as 808s or 404s.

EDIT: Zipps Instagram is showing something coming from the NEST group. Then the next post is their first disc so I think it's safe to say an NSW disc is coming.

I'm thinking a disc break disc!!!!

You were correct! Zipp Made a 202 NSW and a disc brake Super 9 disc!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Yup, I came out too soon. 2013 showed the Culprit Legend with disc brakes. Was before my time!!!

Had all the current momentum been around I think my bike would have caught on.

Great to see this wheel. So My next tri bike will have the option to run a disc wheel with my disc brakes.


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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Annonomys539 wrote:
BryanD wrote:
An NSW disc would be a surprise as I remember reading somewhere that the NSW disc was a low priority. I don't think discs sell as much as 808s or 404s.

EDIT: Zipps Instagram is showing something coming from the NEST group. Then the next post is their first disc so I think it's safe to say an NSW disc is coming.

I'm thinking a disc break disc!!!!

You were correct! Zipp Made a 202 NSW and a disc brake Super 9 disc!



Oh snap!!! Disc are here to stay, for at least a year! Haha.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Annonomys539] [ In reply to ]
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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ehm...Bryan. that is the old one :)
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Fab4mas] [ In reply to ]
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Nope! That is the NEW Wahoo Kickr.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Nope! That is the NEW Wahoo Kickr.

sorry...not seen the grey handle with the phone.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Would like to see a better integrated sram etap TT/tri set up with no blip box.

Canyon adding the Jan Frodeno Roth (Rafael) handlebar setup to their Speedmax lineup.
Time make a more Aero version of their current pedals.

However doubt any of this will be at Euro bike this year.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [boing] [ In reply to ]
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Still confused about what the "Prime" version is of the Quarq!?!

U can get a Dzero Spide and attach to Prime ready cranks? What is a prime ready crank? A new crank?

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Power meter ready cranks that will be found standard on some bikes using SRAM components. I think Canyons new CX have these cranks.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Production bikes are being sold with 'Prime ready' cranks. These are cranks that have the same bolt pattern as the new Quarq DZero power meter spider. If you want to upgrade to a power meter down the line you buy a powermeter spider, and replace your non-power meter spider with the it. Keep your cranks and no double paying for the crank part.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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So pretty much what you can do with power2max. If you have a compatible crank you can buy a spider at a later date.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [boing] [ In reply to ]
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Yup.....the only difference between this and Power2Max is these cranks come with a sticker w/ a QR code to make it painfully freaking obvious that you can, and should, upgrade to a power meter.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...ios-app-version.html

Zwift comes to iPad and iPhone. I posted this in a separate thread but this is great news for indoor training.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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So can I buy the spider to fit to my all ready 10 Spd Red cranks?

That's the bit I wanna know!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Call up Quarq and ask.

Traditionally SRAM has had 3 bolt and 8 bolt interfaces. I am ASSUMING this is a continuation of the 8 bolt interface they have already been using. For reference my Red Quarq is a 3 bolt so it would not be directly update-able.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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Garmin Virb Ultra 30 Camera!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
More Quarq DZero news! http://www.bikerumor.com/...s-simplified-lineup/

Notable that this is Quarq's first BB386EVO compatible power meter.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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You were correct! Zipp Made a 202 NSW and a disc brake Super 9 disc!

The disc announcement from Zipp overshadowed some other cool developments:

Those clamoring for a tubeless Zipp wheel now have the updated 303, albeit disc only 303.

The Zipp Vuka Evo 110 (and 70) extensions have become very, very popular with top fitters for the hands-high position they yield. Until now these were available only in aluminum. Now Zipp is offering them in carbon. And for E-tap users the ends are shaped to work better with the e-blips.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [SummitAK] [ In reply to ]
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Another option for oversized pulleys from KCNC: http://www.bikerumor.com/...-derailleur-pulleys/
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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ISM has full carbon saddles at Eurobike. Saw it on their Instagram

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Magma] [ In reply to ]
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Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/

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On to geometry, this bike has a slightly more comfortable position than its older brother the Speedmax CF SLX. So there's a shorter reach and higher stack height,

Booooo. Hisssss.

The world does not need any more short / tall bikes. I'll wait to see the final geo's, but this is disappointing. I would have considered this model when Canyon comes to the US.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Ceramic Speed SRAM OSPW Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BMNhPecU8

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Game changer? Smart bike? Sounds pretty cool.

Will give aero data and fit data through a series of sensors on the bike.

http://velonews.competitor.com/...y-at-eurobike_419677

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [mknight84] [ In reply to ]
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Great find! That will be incredible to have on a bike

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Ceramic Speed SRAM OSPW Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BMNhPecU8

Why is there a RD di2 wire just dangling there on Frederiksen's bike in that video?

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BryanD wrote:
Great find! That will be incredible to have on a bike


Yes. Not sure they'll be able to offer real time aero. Stagnation could be an issue too if it remains in that form. Good to see some interest in this sort of thing.

Eta. They will be doings real time as its using the Alphamantis kit.

Developing aero, fit and other fun stuff at Red is Faster
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
Magma wrote:
Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/

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On to geometry, this bike has a slightly more comfortable position than its older brother the Speedmax CF SLX. So there's a shorter reach and higher stack height,

Booooo. Hisssss.

The world does not need any more short / tall bikes. I'll wait to see the final geo's, but this is disappointing. I would have considered this model when Canyon comes to the US.

x2

The high end Canyon is one of the only bike I can not only hit my stack and reach on but also have room to get lower (aside from TT Shiv, P4)

Disappointed that the geo won't trickle down
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [ In reply to ]
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Is there a good place to see a collection of what's been shown?

Looking for new adventure/ gravel bikes specifically, and entry low-mid level mountain bikes(sora-105 level stuff).
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [JSully] [ In reply to ]
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I`m taking a trip up to Friedrickshaven tomorrow so will have a look and will take pics of anything new I can find - taking requests :-)
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [PubliusValerius] [ In reply to ]
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PubliusValerius wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Magma wrote:
Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/

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On to geometry, this bike has a slightly more comfortable position than its older brother the Speedmax CF SLX. So there's a shorter reach and higher stack height,

Booooo. Hisssss.

The world does not need any more short / tall bikes. I'll wait to see the final geo's, but this is disappointing. I would have considered this model when Canyon comes to the US.

x2

The high end Canyon is one of the only bike I can not only hit my stack and reach on but also have room to get lower (aside from TT Shiv, P4)

Disappointed that the geo won't trickle down

It only makes sense for Canyon to make their entry level bikes fit for less commuted athletes. If you are blowing your money on a Shiv or a P5, Canyon already has a competition for these. Making a entry- to mid-level bike in the same geometry will only eat on its own profits, as a competition to its own high end model. It is unlikely will attract P5 people as well as the CF does.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Behan] [ In reply to ]
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Some pics of the Cervélo stall would be nice :-)

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if Cervelo is at Eurobike? I looked on the vendors list and they were not there.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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Very true. And I for one am very happy with this geo! Or you could say, I was happy that the SLX didn't fit me, I could just rationally tell myself, phew now I don't have to spend 4500 euro on my next tribike...But now I'm seriously tempted! And at a lower pricepoint, to boot. When you're comparing the SL vs the SLX, taking identically specced bikes, there seems to be a 2000 euro price difference for the frames alone.

I also just noticed going over the specs of the SL, all models come with a carbon basebar. That's a nice touch imo, which Canyon generally does. Only the groups and wheels are significantly better when you pay more, but all the other bits and pieces are already good (assuming the basebar is any good) at the entry level.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [pyrahna] [ In reply to ]
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Cervélo ist part of PON and should have a stall next to Focus, Gazelle, Raleigh, Santa Cruz .. sometime they are settled in a complete hall!

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [sausskross] [ In reply to ]
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10-4

I looked for PON as an exhibitor as well, but stopped there. I wonder who they are listed under in the exhibitor list.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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kgro wrote:
PubliusValerius wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Magma wrote:
Hearing of a New Mid Range Canyon Speedmax CF.

105 to Durace. 6 Models.

top model has Full Carbon Clinchers, Dura Ace DI2 for $4500 Euro or Just over 5k USD

http://www.bikeradar.com/...w-speedmax-cf-47994/


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On to geometry, this bike has a slightly more comfortable position than its older brother the Speedmax CF SLX. So there's a shorter reach and higher stack height,


Booooo. Hisssss.

The world does not need any more short / tall bikes. I'll wait to see the final geo's, but this is disappointing. I would have considered this model when Canyon comes to the US.


x2

The high end Canyon is one of the only bike I can not only hit my stack and reach on but also have room to get lower (aside from TT Shiv, P4)

Disappointed that the geo won't trickle down


It only makes sense for Canyon to make their entry level bikes fit for less commuted athletes. If you are blowing your money on a Shiv or a P5, Canyon already has a competition for these. Making a entry- to mid-level bike in the same geometry will only eat on its own profits, as a competition to its own high end model. It is unlikely will attract P5 people as well as the CF does.

NO, and this is exactly the type of minset that the industry needs to move away from.

You can pedestal a "long & low" bike up, often w/o negatively impacting the aerodynamics of the bike. You cannot get a short & tall bike to effectively be longer / lower.

Long & low bikes are more versatile and can be set-up for just about anyone.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Behan] [ In reply to ]
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I'd love to see what the new Eddy Merckx road bikes look like. Interested in purchasing either an EM 525 or San Remo 76
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall on a long and low geo bike as a short and tall rider.

It's also worth noting that the SLX only came in three sizes, and the SL will come on fives sizes. Regardless of who fits on what, I think we can all applaud that (and yes I'm probably applauding a bit more than you ;)
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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BMC Impec TT bike?
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [JSully] [ In reply to ]
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But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall on a long and low geo bike as a short and tall rider.

It's also worth noting that the SLX only came in three sizes, and the SL will come on fives sizes. Regardless of who fits on what, I think we can all applaud that (and yes I'm probably applauding a bit more than you ;)

The Shiv TT has the same stack for all frame sizes (except the XS)....kinda deflates your first point.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [gd28] [ In reply to ]
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I'd love to see what the new Eddy Merckx road bikes look like. Interested in purchasing either an EM 525 or San Remo 76

Someone is selling a Merckx EM525 in the classifieds. Saw it a couple of days ago.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
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But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall on a long and low geo bike as a short and tall rider.

It's also worth noting that the SLX only came in three sizes, and the SL will come on fives sizes. Regardless of who fits on what, I think we can all applaud that (and yes I'm probably applauding a bit more than you ;)


The Shiv TT has the same stack for all frame sizes (except the XS)....kinda deflates your first point.

So you're saying its OK to pedestal a bike 20cm?
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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snaaijert wrote:
But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall on a long and low geo bike as a short and tall rider.

It's also worth noting that the SLX only came in three sizes, and the SL will come on fives sizes. Regardless of who fits on what, I think we can all applaud that (and yes I'm probably applauding a bit more than you ;)


The Shiv TT has the same stack for all frame sizes (except the XS)....kinda deflates your first point.


So you're saying its OK to pedestal a bike 20cm?
Yes? But if you need to pedestal 20cm on even a low-stack bike like the Shiv TT you're looking at a pad stack of 700+ mm in which case you might as well just buy something like an S5 and slap on a nice aerobar (that you will probably still need to pedestal 5-10cm). Will probably fit you better, be lighter, ride better and be pretty damn close in aerodynamics if you set it up well.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [MTM] [ In reply to ]
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.

What's wrong with riding a so-called road bike if that hits your fit coordinates better? Because it doesn't jive with the marketing/name of a "TT/tri bike"? You could just go with the S2 if you want something cheaper. I'm pretty sure it's more aerodynamic than a whole lot of "TT/tri bikes". But of course it may not be as "sexy" - I guess Tom A. is right when he calls the bike industry a fashion industry.

Why is it ridiculous with 20cm spacers? Because it "looks" off? If it's struturally sound and aerodynamic I don't see the problem. But of course, if it doesn't look right/"sexy" I guess people won't buy it. I know what I choose when I have to decide between "sexy" and fast. I also know that a lot of others (most?) will choose differently than me. I like to stand on the top step of the podium more than riding what someone deems as looking "right", but if others would rather ride what is generally perceived as a "nicer" setup compared to going the fastest they can I guess it's entirely up to them. Just don't tell me that it's the only way to do it just because the majority happen to perceive it as the only right way to set up a bike.
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.


What's wrong with riding a so-called road bike if that hits your fit coordinates better? Because it doesn't jive with the marketing/name of a "TT/tri bike"? You could just go with the S2 if you want something cheaper. I'm pretty sure it's more aerodynamic than a whole lot of "TT/tri bikes". But of course it may not be as "sexy" - I guess Tom A. is right when he calls the bike industry a fashion industry.

Why is it ridiculous with 20cm spacers? Because it "looks" off? If it's struturally sound and aerodynamic I don't see the problem. But of course, if it doesn't look right/"sexy" I guess people won't buy it. I know what I choose when I have to decide between "sexy" and fast. I also know that a lot of others (most?) will choose differently than me. I like to stand on the top step of the podium more than riding what someone deems as looking "right", but if others would rather ride what is generally perceived as a "nicer" setup compared to going the fastest they can I guess it's entirely up to them. Just don't tell me that it's the only way to do it just because the majority happen to perceive it as the only right way to set up a bike.

Mate I'm not telling you to do anything, you're the one telling me what to do... You're also saying if I need to pedestal a Shiv TT 20cm I should get an S5/S2... So make up your mind and get back to me. Is it ridiculous to pedestal that much or isn't it? I'm confused. Not that I particularly care.

Regarding the 20cm pedestal, I think a big problem would be the large drop when I'd be off the pads and on the basebar. I've never tried it, don't need it on my current bike (waiting on confirmation from you whether its sexy, I mean, not too ridiculous to try). Again though, all of this is a non-issue as there are plenty of tri bikes that fit me.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.

Yeah, you continue to miss the point. I already noted that there are plenty of short / tall bikes in the market. I am not advocating for every bike to be long / low. I am just advocating for MORE long / low options.

But in your ridiculous 20cm scenario, by all means, let's design bikes around the outliers with geometries that make it difficult / impossible for most people to achieve a good position.

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Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.

Yes.
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.


Yeah, you continue to miss the point. I already noted that there are plenty of short / tall bikes in the market. I am not advocating for every bike to be long / low. I am just advocating for MORE long / low options.

But in your ridiculous 20cm scenario, by all means, let's design bikes around the outliers with geometries that make it difficult / impossible for most people to achieve a good position.

I guess you and Canyon's marketing team have different thoughts on this matter.
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Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.


Yes.

Yes, I too was hoping to see something fresh, to update my good old TM02. Damn...
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Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.


Yes.


Yes, I too was hoping to see something fresh, to update my good old TM02. Damn...

I don't know if there's a lower model coming but I've got a friend at Eurobike who mentioned a new TT bike.
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TheFisher wrote:
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Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.


Yes.


Yes, I too was hoping to see something fresh, to update my good old TM02. Damn...


I don't know if there's a lower model coming but I've got a friend at Eurobike who mentioned a new TT bike.

I am looking to upgrade. Please post if any info becomes available.
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Well, no. I'd get the new Canyon bike which will get me that pad stack easily (don't even have to get the largest frameset). Kind of a blanket statement that someone with a 700mm pad stack should just ride a road bike don't you think? S5 plus aerobar would also be about double the cost.

Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that, which is why Power13's point doesn't make sense at all.


Yeah, you continue to miss the point. I already noted that there are plenty of short / tall bikes in the market. I am not advocating for every bike to be long / low. I am just advocating for MORE long / low options.

But in your ridiculous 20cm scenario, by all means, let's design bikes around the outliers with geometries that make it difficult / impossible for most people to achieve a good position.

My ridiculous 20cm scenario was prompted by you referencing that ridiculous Shiv TT geo to prove that long and low bikes can be adapted to short and tall but not the other way around. That was hardly convincing. Notice that nowhere in my posts am I saying that you should ride a short and tall bike and try to make it to fit you. I accept that there are different geometries and that we all can't ride every bike we want. Let's not forget Canyon has the spiffy Speedmax SLX for you, that I can't fit on. Don't be greedy.

As far as not designing bikes around outliers in geometries...With you 100% there! Which is probably why you're not seeing as many long/low geo bikes anymore. I'm not really the outlier here, you are. As kgro said, bike companies are catching on and positioning their geo's accordingly.
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kgro wrote:
TheFisher wrote:
kgro wrote:
TheFisher wrote:
rmg wrote:
Interested to see if BMC updates the TM01 this year.


Yes.


Yes, I too was hoping to see something fresh, to update my good old TM02. Damn...


I don't know if there's a lower model coming but I've got a friend at Eurobike who mentioned a new TT bike.


I am looking to upgrade. Please post if any info becomes available.

You could get glimpses at it at Eurobike.
I asked the BMC guys and they said no launch date was set. But maybe they didn't know.
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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Are my points making loud "whooshing" sounds or just kind of a "low whistle" as they sail over your head?

My point re: the Shiv TT was not that it was the ideal geo. you said
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But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall
. That is not true, as the Shiv TT illustrates since all their bikes have the same stack. Go longer, go shorter, it doesn't matter. The stack is the same....

But don't take my word for it....guys like Dan and Jim @ ERO are saying the same thing. Short / tall bikes are limiting fit concepts.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Are my points making loud "whooshing" sounds or just kind of a "low whistle" as they sail over your head?

My point re: the Shiv TT was not that it was the ideal geo. you said
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But you can't make a bike that's too long shorter. So you'd have to take an even smaller bike to get the reach to fit and then the pedestal is likely going to be ridiculously tall
. That is not true, as the Shiv TT illustrates since all their bikes have the same stack. Go longer, go shorter, it doesn't matter. The stack is the same....

But don't take my word for it....guys like Dan and Jim @ ERO are saying the same thing. Short / tall bikes are limiting fit concepts.

Are my poins going over your head? First, you've given probably the only bike where the stack does not increase as the reach does going up framesizes (and I appreciate that you brought it up as I think that's an "interesting" geo choice). I'd say that's the exception that proves the rule though. Moreover, the result even with that Shiv is that yes I can get a short reach bike, but with a super low stack! Yes I can pedestal it, but if there's one thing we can all agree on (I think?) it's that pedestaling a bike 20cm is laughable. So no, you can't really make a Shiv TT a short and tall bike. Now, I will concede that I am probably not the posterboy of a standard fit, but neither am I so far off the spectrum that my plight is simply anecdotal. Dan and Jim say that short / tall bikes are limiting fit concepts. I agree they are. Are they also saying long and low bikes fit everyone?

Anywho, I think we will continue to see each other's points fly by so perhaps its time for some more Eurobike news, for which the topic was intended.
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I just said that I am not pointing to the Shiv TT as the "ideal" geo!! I brought it up as an illustration of the concept, not the specifics. You can have a bike that uses the same stack across all sizes and pedestal up from there. Add any stack onto the Shiv TT that you want, it doesn't matter. That does not mean that I think the actual get of the Shiv TT is the "right" one.

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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [gd28] [ In reply to ]
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******Just realised that some of the images in this post are rotated but not sure how to fix it..will reorient as soon as I figure it out *****

OK, so went on a daytrip to Eurobike yesterday and I think I have bike-tech fatigue (although I never that that was even possible)..my mind is totally blown. My impression after digesting what I saw was that 80% was..meah..20% was eye candy and of that 20% about 10% was really interesting. Disc brakes are the new rock `n roll...there were gravel bikes a`plenty but no earth shattering tri focused stuff. I did see the infamous Parlee Tri bike with disc brakes and I have to say it was very well executed - it was very clean with not a cable showing to the wind but I wouldn`t shell out for it.

Of the tri-bikes there were three that caught my eye. The first was the new Storck aero2 Platinum G2 - that was a thing of beauty weighing in at only 6.8kg ! the front and rear brake calipers were very nice and extremely well integrated into the frame...however, the thing that left me feeling disappointed by the bike was the cabling...noodles!! I mean, why bother going to the trouble of such beautiful caliper integration and then throw a couple of sloppy looking noodles on there:








The second tri-bike that was just jaw-droppingly gorgeous was the new Look 796. The head tube was so narrow it was really amazing to see. Again, great front caliper integration - the rear, not so slick BB mounted job.







Another slight weird issue here was that although they had gone to great lengths to improve the aero profile of the frame - the front of the fork crown was basically flat. When I asked about this the guy at the stand just looked at me blankly and said it must be more aero than a gradually tapered fork or we wouldn`t have designed it that way...whatever...still an amazing looking bike.



The third tri-bike that I thought was worth a mention was Jan Frodenos Canyon..fresh from Roth..and I mean fresh..unwashed with splashes of spilled race nutrition down the side of the frame...Awesome! Man he was running some narrow extension spacing:







To be honest, having seen all of these bikes up close, I was most impressed with the Canyon, everything was so solidly integrated and clean..this is one that I would and may shell out for.

Most of the usual suspects had their tri-offerings there (except Cervelo, who were not there..pity as I was looking forward to asking WTF happend to the P6). Many of the top brands like Colnago were unimpressive with same `ol same `ol TRP brakes etc. Ceepo had some interesting, if not clumsy looking storage and hydration options on display:





I also kept an eye out for new gravel bike offerings but after the 20th gravel bike I sorta lost focus. There were a couple that stuck out basically from an aesthetic stant point, the first being the Colnago of Wout Van Aert complete with Dugast tubs:





Also, this pretty sweet Niner:





And my fave, the 3T Exploro LTD







In terms of other random tech - the folks at USE who brought us the TULA aero bar had a new (and to my mind more practical) aerobar..can`t remember what it`s called. The brake levers are in the more conventional orientation but are seriously narrow so, I would suspect also quite aero.



TACX deserve a mention also. If you guys have not seen the new "Magnum" treadmill already it`s definately worth a look.







This thing is AMAZING! - it`s a treadmill bike trainer that also functions as a regular running treadmill. It`s construction is very solid (think high end gym equip) and it has a display incorporated. The whole system is apparently compatible with Zwift and many of the other online systems. Apparently they have been working on this for some time and it`s not just a repurposed running treadmill. At the front of the belt, at tyre level, there is an array of sensors (you might be able to make them out from the image) that adjust the speed of the system to maintain your front wheel within a fixed position on the belt. That way you don`t fly off the front or the back. The guys at TACX were awesome and actually let me have a go..and now I want one :-( the riding expereince was phenominal...initially not unlike the sensation of riding rollers but as the terrain on the screen changed, the sensation of elevation and realistic road feel was unlike any trainer I have ever ridden. I didn`t manage riding out of the saddle but I imagine with a bit of practice it would be easy.



The Magnum will be available in November at a mere $8000 including installation by TACX (insert eyes popping out emoticon). Anyone want to give me 8 grand for a lightly used NEO :-)

I will add a few more bits and pieces after I`ve had a chance to sift through some more images on my phone.

All the best,

Niall
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [Behan] [ In reply to ]
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Oops..nearly forgot the Eddy Merckx 525...available in a variety of colors and configurations. As with many of the other manufacturers you have the option of disc brakes. These were attractive looking bikes with cool seat stay details:









I really liked the fork/head tube profile on the 525

They did not appear to have the san remo on display.
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The Magnum looks amazing but $8,000?!!!!!
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Re: The 2016 Eurobike Thread - August 31 - September 4 [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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Indeed BMC has a new TT bike coming.



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The hardware on this carbon fiber stem is one of the niftiest things I've seen thus far. Manufacturers like Specialized and Trek should try to do something similar for their seat post clamps.

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I don't care what people say about discs, the new Parlee looks hot! I wonder if it could accommodate the new Enve 4.5 AR wheelset with 28mm tires.

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In regards to the Storck, WORST BRAKES EVER. I had the same ones on my Fascenario 0.6 and besides being impossible to setup correctly (the front took 2 of us 3 hours to do) there is no toe-in on either front or rear. This means that they scream like a raped banshee regardless of what wheels or pads you use. Also you won't be able to fit wider than 21mm wheels on the bike. Plus in terms of aero credentials there are none worth mentioning.
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Of course its ridiculous to pedestal a low stack bike like that,

haven't read all the responses on this but I can think of 1 very important reason.

To make it more aerodynamic vs having the pads on the base bar

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[quote Behan
OK, so went on a daytrip to Eurobike yesterday and I think I have bike-tech fatigue (although I never that that was even possible)..my mind is totally blown. My impression after digesting what I saw was that 80% was..meah..20% was eye candy and of that 20% about 10% was really interesting. Disc brakes are the new rock `n roll...there were gravel bikes a`plenty but no earth shattering tri focused stuff. I did see the infamous Parlee Tri bike with disc brakes and I have to say it was very well executed - it was very clean with not a cable showing to the wind but I wouldn`t shell out for it.

And my fave, the 3T Exploro LTD








I will add a few more bits and pieces after I`ve had a chance to sift through some more images on my phone.
All the best,

Niall[/quote]
How funny! That's the actual bike I used to commute on while I was in Germany, right down to the orange wristband on the handlebar to let me get in and out of the show with product. We stayed in Lindau and rode the 40km back and forth each day mixing up the route and surface where we could. Small world; amazing bike. Sorry we didn't have the opportunity to meet in person.

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