Shouldnt be allowed in tri, pro or age grouper.

I still have a shirt you can borrow if you make the podium ;-)
Sam

@Sam - thats a deal...
Question is if he will ;)

Shouldnt be allowed in ANY sport

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I suggest getting a life and moving on (you, not AV).

Should be OK....I thought he was sitting in a team car for 3 weeks. Or maybe Yates was sitting in the team car and he was back home putting in a 3 week training block. Now I am curious to see how good or bad he is at swim-run side of things. He is only 43 so he should be able to go pretty fast. He should beat all the pro bike splits.

Sam, I think you need to enter Budapest 70.3 this weekend just to get on the podium with the shirt since you guys are in the same age group.

From the official guide:
– Do you have an expected result? Do you plan to break the bike course record (2:04:20)?
AV: As for the beating a record of a cycling distance, of course, it will depend on the distance itself. 2:04 is approximately 46 km/h, isn’t it? This is a good result! – I think, if my time runs a little over five hours, it will be normal.

By that math it leaves him with 3 hrs to do the swim and run...

Nitpick - Yates works for Tinkoff.

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He's probably planning really really long transitions or his bike is going to suck after flailing through the swim

"Forget it, he's rolling."

I do not care what all you people say, I am pumped for this. I want to see what kit he will wear. Will he start a trend of tri kit having your own face on it?

Lol.
That'd be good.

No Vino already contacted Sam Gyde and took out a license on the "Doper Suck" clothing line, but he contracted his printing shop in Almaty and will be seen with the following version

"Dopers Who Get Caught Suck".

Vino did get busted (in '07).

The guy is an unrepentant doper and deserves a lifetime ban IMO.

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Some people just can't move passed it......they want to believe their pure and everything is pure and equal.

I think its great, hope he go's well.

What exactly do you want him to repent for? He competed in a sport where you either doped, or you didn't have a job. As always, it wasn't a sin to dope, it is a sin to get caught. No one seems to have a problem with Laurent Jalabert doing tries.....you think he didn't dope!?

I hope you feel the same way about every NFL player, most baseball and hockey players, most soccer players, etc.

Like a few others, I am interested to see how he does.

No, according to 2016 Ironman Competition Rules Article II CONDUCT OF ATHLETES, Section 2.01 GENERAL BEHAVIOR, it is not OK.

Wonder if he'll wear a gold helmet. . . he is the reigning Olympic road race champion after all. Though isn't not a RR, so maybe not. . . but I did miss the gold helmet these past four years. He served his time. . . not sure what else you want the guy to do.

...and of course in where the "dopers who get caught suck" he would be making fun at himself.

Seriously though, I actually have much more of a beef with age groupers who dope in tri than pro cyclists who dope/d in the 90's and first part of the 2000's. The latter group well, love them or hate them, they decided that to keep a pro contract that was what was needed (and yes, I get that they stole employment from clean riders....that's water under the bridge at this point). Age grouper dopers, they are just stealing ego podium slots. No employment and protour life dreams at stake.

I am indifferent about Vino racing age group. He'd just be piled in with a bunch of other age grouper dopers who are stealing our kona slots, podium slots, world slots etc etc. I would have a beef with him racing pro in triathlon though, but since he has served his ban, he'd be entitled to, and we could do nothing about it even though we don't like it.

I have heard he is no fun and doesn't react well to comments about this.

Make sure you got the # of the Consulate and maybe that of a local lawyer before doing this.

Otherwise you may experience that the freedom as you know it is not everywhere.

If the event were held in Kazachstan I would share your trepidation but its in Hungary and I doubt Vino has any pull that necessitates such precautions ;)

Goes. Not go's. As in, I hope he goes away.

The doping these guys did way back when still benefits them athletically- and financially.

So, while we're all God's children (even this peckerhead) business is business.

It's not a moral imperative or personal righteousness to simply say, sorry, you can't play anymore. Let him go do an unsanctioned fun ride for charity- maybe start a fund for the clean pros who couldn't hang on or make any dough as a pro while he and other dopers crushed it at the front.

Maybe he and Deluca can open a restaurant together. Order the HGH salad.

It will help cycling and tri to gain/keep credibility and allow others who didn't and don't cheat to move up. It's a practical measure. Not personal. Well, maybe a little.....

So you think cycling and or triathlon is cleaner today???

I don't it's just different timing and drugs......just look at the tour, was it slower then when Vino raced? Today's athletes are just as doped.

For sure. Vino was doped to the gills at the 2012 Olympic road race no doubt. There is really no reason that clean athletes racing age group should welcome him to triathlon. Triathlon doesn't need to be the dumping ground of disgraced pro cyclists. The current rules say he can race, but that doesn't mean we have to like it or even wish him well.

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While I agree that age group triathlon should not be a dumping ground for ex doped pro cyclists, the reality is age group triathlon is already packed with doped current banker-doctors-engineers-politicians etc etc etc. I seriously have less sympathy for my doped peers who earn a living elsewhere than ex doped cyclists who were doped to keep their job in the pro tour or go back to being an infantryman or bricklayer in Khazakstan. My personal encounter with this was being beaten by Dmitri Gaag at the World Military Games triathlon....I didn't like being beaten by him but hey, I understood why he would dope to be an elite athlete in the Khazakh military rather than front line infantryman. I had two graduate degrees while in the Armed Forces in a developed country and did not need to go down that path.

In any case Vino served his ban, yes he was doped and probably may be doped again, but not worse than doped peers I need to race against now. As I said, earlier, if he raced pro it is another thing. Age group tri seems to be a "doper free for all" anyway, so adding Vino into the mix does not change that we're already up against many dopers anyway. Does it send the wrong message letting him in? Sure, but you can't stop him from entering either. He is entitled to enter any event in any sport under the WADA umbrella!

Just because there are dopers in the AG ranks doesn't mean we should welcome more dopers. That is like saying there are plenty of pedophiles in society what does it matter if a famous one moves in next door. If you have someone that was caught and clearly doped for an extended period of time they don't get a pass. Just because we watched them on TV they don't get special treatment.

Again, under the current rules he is allowed to race, that doesn't mean we have to like it or give him a pass because it was his job. It is ok to say, you shouldn't be allowed to play this game.

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To answer your second question--yes, the past two editions of the Tour were slower than when Vino raced (1998 to 2009), with the sole exception of 2007. I will reserve my opinion on whether cycling/triathlon is cleaner now.

Don't forget he also bought races.

I don't think we get to decide what to like or not like. WADA decides who gets to race. WADA via WTC is allowing many age group dopers to already race. I like detest it more that WTC does not test age groupers than I am worried about Vino racing. I am trying to make the point that what is more outrageous is the free for all that is age group doping. Vino is just another former or current doper with a free pass. It's easy to get outraged about a guy who was caught (in which case the system actually did a partially good job). I think we should devote out outrage towards WTC doing more age group testing and testing people after they have KQ'd and entered the pool is too late. Test them before. As for Vino, yeah sure test him in Budapest, but that guy won't glow in competition. Never did after he came back from his ban so even if he doping now there is no chance in hell you'll catch him in competition because he has all of Astana's doc's at his disposal who are going to be ahead of the testers.

But to tell you the truth, i am really not worried about Vino doping in a tri. He has the entire legitimacy (which is almost nothing anyway in the protour) of Astana riding on what sliver of ethics he has left. If he got caught doping in or outside of a triathlon, there would be a massive explosion over at Eurosport+L'Equipe+BBC and pretty well all of mainstream European media. I would be surprised if he risked that for an age group race. But hey, we've been surprised before so who knows.

Which to me just makes more of a mockery of the lifetime ban that he who shall not be named received. I agree with a ban for life approach, but it has to be the same for all. Can't ban one for life and then let others in.

From an interest point of view, I will be interested to see how fast he goes. I hope he doesn't take a slot from someone though.

Outrage is not a limited resource there is plenty to go around for both Vino and your run of the mill AG dopers. It is not like after being outraged about Vino we just won't have anything left to care about your ordinary AG doper. If anything they can build on each other. You can train hard and work on being more aero at the same time.

You give Vino way too much credit to think he would think twice about "risking it" for an AG race. That is just normal person thinking applied to someone that puts his face on his own jersey.

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I did hesitate to write that final part about him weighing the impact of taking the orange juice, getting caught and how it would affect Astana....you're likely right, he probably still dopes just to get a good time on Col de la Madone or Alpe d'Huez vs other team directors on fun rides.

Please please let him be wearing that vino4ever jersey. Just once more is all I ask.

When he went off the front alone, with Uran chasing a distant second, in London, and got the fricken Olympic gold? I think I yelled out bullshit at the TV.

Vino out of the water in 34:53

I think it's within the rules, so yes it's OK.

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2:07 bike so...fast, but 4-8 minutes back of the guys at the front and over 10 minutes back on the swim.

On a side note, any one remember "Rob Barel" ? Crushing it in M55-59, 25 min swim 2:12 bike.

Maurice

4:26. About 4min behind a friend of mine who KQ'd in South Africa in M40-44.

I'd say nothing to write home about for a former pro who does not have a job and therefore all the time in the world to prepare vs us squeezing in training sessions on top of full time jobs.

Cheers
Roberto

His bike "sucked" I am guessing because his swim sucked.

He is the team director for Astana....hardly provides him "all the time in the world to prepare".

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Of course we remember Rob Barel....he also made the Sydney Olympics for Holland at age 40. Gotta love the old pros....hey H20fun, there's another old pro who won at Nice and a gazillion other races still ripping it up!

Well, I would say that his job CAN be very demanding as team director for Astana.

Looks like Vino got 91st overall and 10th in age group. He appears to have had the fastest bike split in his age group unless there is someone way down who ran and swam a lot slower.

Now hopefully he does not show up for Chatanooga 70.3 WC rolldown dressed like this:

I just checked out his bike split. It would have squeeked him into a top 10 pro bike splits and beat all the pro women. Granted he gets to ride under age group slingshot effect, so hard to compare. Bertrand Billard rode 1:57 vs Vino's 2:07, so this is a really fast course, so from that angle "nothing special" about Vino's bike split.

Having said that, I THINK he's got the body type who would actually do better at IM than half IM. He just does not "look" like he can run with the fastest ITU/olympic guys in his age group even with a ton of training, but I'd bet he could crank off a 3:20ish IM run.

So does he get picked as the "RANDOM" age group guy for doping control. While I doubt he will glow if tested today, it comes back to what Rasmus Henning said at Panama 70.3 when number 7 got second to Bevan Docherty, "Not even any doping control?". They could just humor everyone by getting Vino to pee in the cup and if nothing else never bother sending the samples for testing (Maurice, how does chain of custody etc work....if they get someone to pee in the cup do they have to send the sample to be tested in the lab, or can they just send the samples to the lab and do nothing)?

fair enough.

Vino races, Huetthaler wins, and Dev says...?

gregn wrote:

Vino races, Huetthaler wins, and Dev says...?

Dev says, "which sport is cleaner...Pro Cycling, Pro Triathlon, or NFL?"

My vote from cleanest to dirtiest:

1. Pro Cycling (at least they have the blood passport and they get tested more than pro triathletes)
2. Pro Triathlon (all most the same free for all as NFL. Less testing than Pro Cycling, but less money than NFL)
3. NFL (well, what can I say).

As for Vino and Lisa, well, the biggest problem is WADA rules. As a WADA signatory, I don't think WTC can keep these guys from racing by creating their own "more stringent" anti doping rules (ex would be 1 violation and you can't do our races)...then athletes would just take their cases to CAS and be permitted to race and WTC would have to let them in. At least the doping bans are longer now.


Funny thing on the Tour de France threads, I made many comments about Valverde...former doper, comes 3rd in the Giro and rips up the Tour as a "super domestique" for Quintana and finishes in 6th while getting some miles in for Rio. He is allowed to race, but man it just "feels" wrong not just how well he is doing at 36, but how he is glorified by the cycling media....just watch, I put Valverde down for favourite for a medal at Rio and it's gonna by Vino London 2012 all over again.

don't forget about Viktor "the needle", allegedly...

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I see that one of the guys that escaped the Canadian border with his "medical supplies" after podium-ing at IM Canada Whistler 2015 ripped it up in Budapest!!!

Where can I buy this jersey. SO MUCH WIN

Do you want the version with the blood bag attached to his arm, or the cycling version? I did a search an Amazon, but no luck. I did not do a search on Alibaba though. Maybe they dominate the Khazakh online market.

OMG... what a douchebag!

Wow - this picture just sums up scum who take drugs to cheat hard working athletes out of money and recognition. What a complete wan8£r

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From the course description: "The course is almost absolutely flat, except for the Buda Castle climb (70m)." It mostly tracks the banks of the Danube, so even allowing for hyperbole that description is likely to be pretty accurate - pancake flat. Just the wind to contend with.

Skinsuits in Russia has the close but not nearly as purchasable version:

http://skinsuits.ru/allgoods/vino_kit.html

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I am waiting for the finisherpix image gallery. What the Vegas odds on his kit selection at 70.3 Budapest? Did he were an IM All World Athlete kit, did he where 70.3 Budapest Kit, or Vino4ever kit?

In any case this makes for 2 out of the 3 athletes from the 2003 TdF descent into Gap who went sub 4:30 in a half IM. Now we just need Beloki to come out and we have the full compliment of characters from 2003 Gap stage's dabbling in WTC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr89ku-K2WU

This had to be the most anticipated finishers pix ever. I think I'm going to wet my pants.

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How much testing is there in Triathlon???

Don't worry, you can get the Vino gallery pushed to your phone as soon as it comes out. Just fill out this form and you'll get the pics as soon as Vino does.

https://www.finisherpix.com/...3-budapest-2016.html

Mega. I am already rolling around laughing. I have no idea why though - it's triathlon that loses no matter how you look at it :-0

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He wore the astana kit:

http://www.finisherpix.com/...-2016/pbib/1163.html


Swim 00:34:53 Bike 02:07:50 Run 01:37:22 Overall 04:26:53