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has anyone used this? wondering if it will hold the speedfil bottle


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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I am interested as well and was looking for reviews on the web this past week. I hope someone chimes in.

I currently use a Speedfil Z4 with Specialized Purist bottles. I really like the Z4, but for it to fit I had the bottle points backwards and can sometimes drip on the headset and the computer mount rattles on rougher pavement. I also like the aero bar mount system for the Kompact. It is a little more simplified compared to how I have the Z4 mounted. Because my aero bars are slightly turned inward and are narrow up by the shifters I may still have to point the bottle backwards on the Kompact.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I'm considering this as well. I've spent some time researching various hydration options and was surprised when someone posted a link to a Tri Talk episode (76?) recently. They did some wind tunnel studies and I was surprised at how little time was lost over the course of an IM by drinking out of a traditional bottle, especially if you were able to keep one arm on your pad so you remained relatively aero. Unfortunately they only tested at 0 yaw. It seems like it would be easier for someone like me who plans to rely on concentrated bottles of Infinit (1 to start, 1 behind the seat in case I lose one, and 1 at special needs). I will pick up water at the aid stations and put it in the down tube. It's obviously not the fastest solution, but I don't think I am giving up 10 min + or anything like that and I don't have to worry about refilling a BTA system and spills (which seem to be a constant complaint). Keep in mind I'm a slow cyclist (6.5 hours) and am nowhere near the pointy end of the race. The price is also great compared to many of the BTA systems.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Toefuzz] [ In reply to ]
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do we take into account - aero penalty when refilling the bottle upfront
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [R2] [ In reply to ]
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Here's the link

http://tri-talk.com/76/

I believe he assumes you have to come out of aero to refill everything and assumes the time is the same. If he didn't factor that in it might make something like the Kompact slightly more favorable, or at least less worse, if that makes sense.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I have it. Not sure on the speedfill fit but I will say it grips the whole heck out of any bottle you put in it. Maybe too much so mounting forward is not a problem. The computer mount is nice.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have it but I've heard from others that it does not like to hold any bottle besides the one it comes with. According to xlab it will also hold the insulated version of the included bottle but that is sold separately.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [TriNickK] [ In reply to ]
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I use it with a normal bottle no problems. The one it comes with is the same shape but has the pressure valve. Both are a tight fit for sure.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I've had it for around a month. I don't know if it holds the speedfil bottle but every bottle I've put in it, it's gripped just fine. So far it's best best BTA solution I've used.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know. The person who told me he couldn't get it to fit was trying to fit an insulated bottle. Maybe that is the issue.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [TriNickK] [ In reply to ]
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I bet. Normal bottles are a real tight fit so insulated would be even tighter. Compared to my normal bta cage, the kompact cage is way tighter.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [TriNickK] [ In reply to ]
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Where the kompact will excel is plain consumer water bottles handed out in halfs and fulls. Those rattled around loosely in my old cage. Not this one.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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The computer mount is nice.

Is there any sort of noise or rattling between the computer mount and bottle?
This has been my one issue with the Z4, but most of the time it is solved because if my hands are resting next to the mount it solves the noise. On the occasion I move my hands it will rattle some on rougher roads.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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No rattle for me. The mount is equally as tight as the cage IMO. So tight my bet is I break either the cage or mount at some point when pulling a bottle out during a race. However, you can't have it both ways. If it was a bit looser I bet it would rattle. My old BTA cage would allow the bottle to work forward over bumps so I mounted it backwards. Aid station bottles were also too loose. he Kompact is so tight I be you could literally mount it pointed DOWN and not loose a bottle. At $35 it's a sweet setup.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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can you install a different cage on the mount if you wanted or are you stuck with the one provided? Just wondering in case of a crack or break on the cage if you are SOL or can just replace that part but retain the computer mount piece and the xlab mount that velcros on.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [ilikepizza] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe. The plate is a normal plate just shaped like a triangle. Both screw into the plate with two screws. However, the computer mount shape matches the gaps on the provided bottle cage. I'm sure you could find one that was close, but the cage and mount are designed to "fit" each other. You might create some gap between the two with a replacement cage and that could cause some rattling between the two. Look at the picture of one and see what I mean. The bottom half of the bottle cage has a decent gap between where the bottle hits and the middle portion.
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I expressed interest in this thread a while back and finally jumped in to give the Kompact a try. I have not officially tried it out on the road other than a short spin up the street. Anyway I have some pictures posted today if anyone else is curious about this mount.

http://thecyclingaddiction.blogspot.com/...edo-kompact-100.html
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, if it's not too much trouble, could you by any chance see how narrow you can arrange the mount? On other previous bta systems I've had, they can't fit because my extensions are too close to each other.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Cervelokid] [ In reply to ]
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Cervelokid wrote:
Hey, if it's not too much trouble, could you by any chance see how narrow you can arrange the mount? On other previous bta systems I've had, they can't fit because my extensions are too close to each other.


I checked the paperwork and it says between 70 and 84mm center to center.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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Ooh, I might have to look into this. Thanks very much!
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Cervelokid] [ In reply to ]
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Oops....just a moment...

85mm - 150mm center to center, for extensions 70mm to 84 center to center use the Rear Position.
If I get a moment I can take mine off and get some measurements. I should have done that before I mounted it anyway.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Cervelokid] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry - just saw this thread pop up. Glad Felt_Rider helped out!

The total range is 70mm to 150mm (measured center to center). For those 70mm to 84mm wide, you will need to move the cage back, into the rear position.

Candice Turner
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Does it come w/out the mounting plate (for P5)?

Thanks,

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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [david] [ In reply to ]
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Hi David,

Unfortunately no. You could re-sell the plate/clamps - just yesterday I saw a plate/clamps being used without the computer mount so there are buyers that would want it!

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Yayyyy! I just might have to try this. I was going to revert to a custom alu baseplate zip tied to the extensions, with one of the narrow little aero water bottles with a hole drilled in and some medical tubing for a straw. But this looks nice too :)
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Candice,
Does the cage function without the Garmin mount bit or is it all needed? I'm wanting to run this with a Torpedo bottle (I like the smaller design than the Versa) But the Garmin mount would get in the way of the bottles Dolphin tail.

I presume if it doesn't work then I can just use another cage.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [JTNero] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

The cage doesn't need the Garmin mount to function, however if you want to run the Torpedo bottle you will need a different cage. The bottom tab on the Kompact cage is wider than the groove on the Torpedo bottle. We haven't tested the Torpedo bottle on the Kompact plate yet, but technically speaking it will work with say the Torpedo cage or Chimp cage.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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3Aims wrote:
I have it. Not sure on the speedfill fit but I will say it grips the whole heck out of any bottle you put in it. Maybe too much so mounting forward is not a problem. The computer mount is nice.


I had to put an update on my blog review this morning because of my experience on a few rides. For the most part I really like the mount, but the bottles are so extremely tight that pulling it out at higher speeds seems really unsafe. I had to really work to get the Specialized Purist bottle out that I would almost lose control of the bike. Later in the training ride I would slow down a little and make sure I was clear of traffic before trying to get a drink.

I hope the Xlab folk will just take this as something to look at and improve. The Z4 cage is a breeze to pull out and a BTA does not need to be near as tight as behind the saddle for fear of ejection. I am now seriously considering putting the Z4 back on the bike. :(
Last edited by: Felt_Rider: Apr 24, 16 4:35
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [TriNickK] [ In reply to ]
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I have the Kompact....I honestly took it off, and switched to a normal bottle carge (Gorilla cage) mounted backwards (with my aero bars it is easier to come out back, and easier to get out IMO when in aero), and a BarFly TT Mount in front for my computer.

I did notice that any bottle with a 'lip' around on it, is damn near impossible to get out in aero. One that is definitely not easy to use is the CamelBak Podium bottles---and by easy, I mean, you may as well not use it.

I do like the mount, and have considering just putting my Gorilla cage on it, but zip ties work perfectly for me, and much cleaner looking.

IG: NCGregory8778
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Savage8778] [ In reply to ]
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Savage8778 wrote:
I have the Kompact....I honestly took it off, and switched to a normal bottle carge (Gorilla cage) mounted backwards (with my aero bars it is easier to come out back, and easier to get out IMO when in aero), and a BarFly TT Mount in front for my computer.

I did notice that any bottle with a 'lip' around on it, is damn near impossible to get out in aero. One that is definitely not easy to use is the CamelBak Podium bottles---and by easy, I mean, you may as well not use it.

I do like the mount, and have considering just putting my Gorilla cage on it, but zip ties work perfectly for me, and much cleaner looking.

To update my rig, I did this too ^ and gave the kompact away. Love the bottle though.

My issue was that I could not get the new mount back enough over my traditional stem. I use slanted bars so it needs to fit a bit back on my bars.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Savage8778] [ In reply to ]
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Savage8778 wrote:
I have the Kompact....I honestly took it off, and switched to a normal bottle carge (Gorilla cage) mounted backwards (with my aero bars it is easier to come out back, and easier to get out IMO when in aero), and a BarFly TT Mount in front for my computer.

I did notice that any bottle with a 'lip' around on it, is damn near impossible to get out in aero. One that is definitely not easy to use is the CamelBak Podium bottles---and by easy, I mean, you may as well not use it.

I do like the mount, and have considering just putting my Gorilla cage on it, but zip ties work perfectly for me, and much cleaner looking.

I had a Xlab Chimp cage that I tried last week and it turned out worse. That was with the bottle facing forward. Today I rotated the Kompact mount and cage for a backward pull and it was easier, but still too tough IMO. I may leave it like that for a few more rides.

I had to use the Z4 backward because the tips of my shifters are turned inward. I may just have to settle for that even though my mechanic hates that the bottle valve is right over the headset and he is saying it causing some issues.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Savage8778] [ In reply to ]
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How is the fit with a Gatorade bottle? That is usually what I have up front for races and they are a little smaller and also softer.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Savage8778] [ In reply to ]
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I currently have the older xlab BTA set-up. The one with 4 straps and no Garmin mount. I finally bought a Garmin and I'm trying to figure out the best set-up. How do you guys like the bottle turned backward? Seems like it might leak, maybe onto a bento?

Or I could buy the Kompact. Or I could buy the Vuka Alumina set-up since those are the bars I have, but that's really expensive.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Felt_Rider] [ In reply to ]
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We really appreciate this feedback!

We have a Specialized Purist bottle and tested it out a while back. It is very hard to pull and this is because the real grip source on the Kompact, is the computer mount arms. The Specialize Purist bottles and some Camelbak bottles have a larger circumference than the XLAB Aqua Shot or our Cool Shot insulated bottle.

Some helpful tips:
- Flip the cage & computer mount 180 degrees and pull towards you vs pulling away.

- If you are able to use a smaller circumference bottle, there is a Camelbak bottle that worked (need to find the exact model), the Aqua Shot, Cool Shot - that will of course be best.

The Torpedo Kompact does take standard cages, so you are able to use another non-XLAB cage however as I mentioned the real grip source is the Kompact computer mount itself.

We are looking at compatibility with these larger diameter bottles that we keep finding. If there are any that I have not listed that anyone finds hard to pull out, let me know so we can get it in and test it out.

Thanks again everyone!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Savage8778] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the feedback. As I mentioned in my previous post, I will keep a list of the bottles that are difficult to pull and we will work on a solution. What size Podium bottle did you try?

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [surfNJmatt] [ In reply to ]
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I have the xlab torpedo and just got the A2 from speed fill. Works great.

Using it on a Shiv with the stock carbon aero bars.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I got the Kompact yesterday and I have to say I'm not impressed. I had a simple profile design bracket previously with a torpedo cage that would take any standard bottle. I don't have any free space up front so the Kompact seemed like the perfect solution to mount a Garmin. You can mount the Garmin but using the bottle is not safe, it's just too tight. I tried other cages but the problem is the Garmin bracket is providing extra bottle grip which is simply not needed in this location. I cut the tab off the front of the Garmin mount but it's the rear section that's causing the problem. The aluminium plate is nice but that's about it. Trying to get the computer mount arms involved in holding the bottle is just not necessary, a regular torpedo cage works just fine.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [sheene] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Sheene,

Appreciate your feedback and I am sorry it didn't meet your expectations. I have shared your feedback with our engineering team for their insight. I have saved your username to a list I am keeping so if I have any news to share, I will reach out personally.

In the meantime - may I ask which bottle you used? We designed the system for use with the Aqua Shot bottle which is included and you are also able to use the new XLAB Cool Shot insulated bottle. We have found certain bottles are larger in diameter and are therefore a tighter fit. We agree with the users on this thread that it helps turning the system around 180 degrees and pulling the bottle towards you.

The Kompact system is designed as an all-in-one hydration system with a squeeze & squirt bottle, not a standard pull, drink, push down bottle. The reason we did not include our Torpedo cage is because we wanted to keep it as a value-focused hydration system. Adding the Torpedo cage would have increased the price almost 2x what it is now.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I've been using the Kompact for a few weeks now and haven't noticed that the cage is tight. The bottle slides in and out without too much fuss. I'm slapping my 910 on the mount, it bounces around a good amount (Michigan roads are no bueno) but has yet to take a tumble. The cage and mount do the trick.

The aqua shot bottle, on the other hand, may be the worst bottle I have ever used. How a bottle can leak everywhere, yet still be near impossible to drink from is beyond me. It's as if the Xlab engineering department took a 10 year old Nathan bottle and said, "How could we make this design worse?"

So I like the cage, am okay with the mount and hate the bottle. I wouldn't recommend it but will continue to use it until the next time I feel like messing with my hydration set up.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [gbharris] [ In reply to ]
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Hey gbharris. Glad to hear it isn't too tight for you. As far as the bottle, sounds like you have a bad bottle. Could have bad threads, the anti-leak feature in the nozzle might be off. Certainly should not leak and we want to check the bottle out.

Shoot me an email with your address and I can help you out.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Hi Sheene,

Appreciate your feedback and I am sorry it didn't meet your expectations. I have shared your feedback with our engineering team for their insight. I have saved your username to a list I am keeping so if I have any news to share, I will reach out personally.

In the meantime - may I ask which bottle you used? We designed the system for use with the Aqua Shot bottle which is included and you are also able to use the new XLAB Cool Shot insulated bottle. We have found certain bottles are larger in diameter and are therefore a tighter fit. We agree with the users on this thread that it helps turning the system around 180 degrees and pulling the bottle towards you.

The Kompact system is designed as an all-in-one hydration system with a squeeze & squirt bottle, not a standard pull, drink, push down bottle. The reason we did not include our Torpedo cage is because we wanted to keep it as a value-focused hydration system. Adding the Torpedo cage would have increased the price almost 2x what it is now.

Is the bottle you include supposed to be leak-proof? I let mine sit filled and well-sealed on the Kompact for anoint an hour and it leaked A LOT! I probably won't use that bottle, I don't want my bike covered in even more sugar water.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I used the supplied bottle and it's much too tight for that location. The concept is good but as can be seen from the feedback here it just doesn't work in practice. Put a torpedo style cage on the metal bracket and make the Garmin mount section a bigger diameter so that it doesn't grip the bottle. Cost? I've essentially paid ā‚¬40 for the mount bracket. I'll continue to tinker!
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [beercity] [ In reply to ]
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It should be leak-proof yes. Can you email me and I want to get some pictures and perhaps a video if you are able so I can find out where it is leaking and why. Agree, sugar water is not good on the rest of the bike!

On Monday we will do some more internal testing on the bottles.

Appreciate the feedback!

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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I used the mount with a backward pull yesterday with just a bit of a hard initial tug, but it was much better than having to pull forward toward the shifters. I noticed during the ride I was feeling a slight irritation on my arms touching some sharp edges on the computer mount ring.

Post ride when I got home I worked on the inside of the computer mount ring using a dremel with a very fine sanding bit then used a 220 grit sand paper to smooth it out the dremel work and then a 1000 grit wet sand paper with chain oil. I only sanded the upper portion of the computer ring since the bottle cage is on the lower portion. I also took off the slight sharp outer edges from production molding. The ultra fine sand paper was just to make the appearance better even though the ring is not easily picked up by eye.

I still need to give a road test, but post sanding the Specialized Purist bottle seems to be working like a charm or nearly.......

Well at least I will give a try for a while longer and I will try the forward pull again.

Edit: please note that I did not remove much material from the inside of the computer mount ring. I believe that the designer made it tight so as to eliminate vibration of the computer and give stability to the display. I know that some of my homemade mounts a few years ago had enough vibration that I couldn't read the numbers on rougher pavement. :-)
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you 3Aims- this is exactly the information I was looking for!
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Nemo] [ In reply to ]
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My experiences:

Camelbak bottles - don't bother
Specialized bottles - pretty tight fit
Trek bottles - perfect
xlab bottle - interesting design, no leakage so far

I've also found its much easier to pull the bottle out with a twisting motion as opposed to straight out.

It seems that zipp extensions are a tiny bit wider than others that were tested, the mount doesn't exactly snap cripsly into place.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [walie] [ In reply to ]
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The lack of pictures in this thread is disheartening.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [sheene] [ In reply to ]
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Same feelings here. I found that the computer mount would rattle WAY too much which drove me crazy and even made it very difficult to read. I jury-rigged a zip-tie solution which helped a bit but I am doubtful I will keep this BTA setup. While the bottle grip is substantial, I did find it easier to push the bottom of the bottle forward an inch or so before grabbing it to drink. I think I will go back to the torpedo BTA w/ the garmin mounted on the stem. Its a bit harder to see the computer, but who needs to stare at the thing anyway.

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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [walie] [ In reply to ]
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my experience with it at IMTX. Gatorade bottles fit nice, but the water bottles were a little narrower and the garmin vibrated and made shitloads of noise the entire time. Disappointed.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I have tried Camelbak bottles and Specialized bottles as well with difficulty removing them. The aqua shot was snug, but the cap leaks. Will a Purist or Podium cap fit on the aqua shot bottle?
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [JoshR] [ In reply to ]
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Hi JoshR

You know we haven't tested that, but it may work. As far as your cap leaking, we can definitely get you a replacement. It should definitely not leak. I have found with others on this thread that experienced the same issue, there was a very small percentage that had leaking issues. When sending a replacement out, it resolved the issue. Go ahead and shoot me an email with your address and we can get that fixed for you.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [david] [ In reply to ]
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Unfortunately no. However it is such a low cost for the complete system. When you take into account that our Alloy Torpedo Mini plates go for $40 and the entire Kompact system is $50, I doubt you will have a hard time re-selling the Kompact plate with the clamps.

Candice Turner
CEO
XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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First ride with the Kompact today. Resulted in losing my 920XT from the Garmin mount, not to be found again. A EUR 350 lesson in not trusting the mount.

Greetings from the German Wine Route,
Roland
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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jet black wrote:
my experience with it at IMTX. Gatorade bottles fit nice, but the water bottles were a little narrower and the garmin vibrated and made shitloads of noise the entire time. Disappointed.

Same. Gatorade fit just fine but was not snug and rattled around a lot. Standard bottle-exchange water bottle was an absolute NO GO. Way too soft and almost bounced right out in the span of a couple hundred feet. This was with an Ice Mountain sport-top 20ounce-ish bottle. Disappointed in this as the Gorilla cage would hold these bottles without an issue. The only solution was to somehow re-inflate the bottle fully and then it would still move around a lot in the cage but would not fall out. I resorted to keeping the water in the behind-the-seat, and Gatorade in the BTA, which is opposite of what I am used to.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [beercity] [ In reply to ]
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I don't like my new kompact either.
None of my other normal bottles fit it well, and obviously the bottle included isn't refillable.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [RolandG] [ In reply to ]
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Hi RolandG - sorry to hear about the lost watch. Please email me directly as I would like to learn more about this.

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [beercity] [ In reply to ]
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Appreciate the feedback.

Unfortunately not all bottles are sized identical. Water handouts are very tiny and Gatorade bottles are slightly bigger, then you have the likes of Camelbak bottles which come in 2 different sizes.

We do take into consideration all feedback for future designs and will relay yours to the engineers today!

Candice Turner
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear your normal bottles don't fit. We have made a fix in the current Kompact system to help relieve some of the grip. I wanted to check and see which version you had. Could you email me direct please?

Candice Turner
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Candice - XLAB wrote:
Appreciate the feedback.

Unfortunately not all bottles are sized identical. Water handouts are very tiny and Gatorade bottles are slightly bigger, then you have the likes of Camelbak bottles which come in 2 different sizes.

We do take into consideration all feedback for future designs and will relay yours to the engineers today!

I didn't mind so much that the water bottles weren't held tight. It's understandable that all bottles are different sizes, and you can't control what the race is handing out.

My issue is the design of the Garmin mount. It relies on a bottle for stability. When the bottle isn't big enough to engage it, it vibrates and shakes all over the place. Please fix it to where it doesn't do that.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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Appreciate the understanding.

As far as the computer mount - agree! We actually changed the strength of material in the plastic to a higher % in the last few batches. If you would like to email me I can see which version you have

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Sure, thanks
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Have the Kompact, it is awesome. Use both Specialized bottles and the one that came with the mount; I have had 0 issues with spillage or difficulty removing bottles. Really like that it came with the spacers and longer screws to accommodate the Garmin Quick Release Kit.

It's easy to make excuses, but excuses don't make champions.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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jet black wrote:
Candice - XLAB wrote:
Appreciate the feedback.

Unfortunately not all bottles are sized identical. Water handouts are very tiny and Gatorade bottles are slightly bigger, then you have the likes of Camelbak bottles which come in 2 different sizes.

We do take into consideration all feedback for future designs and will relay yours to the engineers today!


I didn't mind so much that the water bottles weren't held tight. It's understandable that all bottles are different sizes, and you can't control what the race is handing out.

My issue is the design of the Garmin mount. It relies on a bottle for stability. When the bottle isn't big enough to engage it, it vibrates and shakes all over the place. Please fix it to where it doesn't do that.

I use a length of a bungee speed-lace to tie down the Garmin mount to keep it from bouncing around. Sure it looks a bit MacGyver-ish, but it works and I've had no issues.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Just wanted to thank Candice and xlabs. They're sending me the new beefier plastic for the garmin mount. Top notch customer service.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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jet black wrote:
Just wanted to thank Candice and xlabs. They're sending me the new beefier plastic for the garmin mount. Top notch customer service.

+1
I have only tested the replacement computer mount ring standing off the bike (both tested the same way). Compared to the original I perceive an improvement. I have updated my blog review as a result. Road test tomorrow. Thanks Candice and XLAB team.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [jet black] [ In reply to ]
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I am going to have to do the same. I was riding with the kompact this week and pulled the bottle out, and the mount started vibrating so bad my computer started rotating out of its mount.
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I really wanted to use this aerobar system with 1l bottle. So I used this one:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...-sport-/rp-prod89844
I removed the garmin mount, because with it the bottle can even fit the cage. Without , it fits ok, but a bit loose.
Once I rode with the system I realized that the cage was not holding the bottle enough so, I could loose the bottle easyly.

Any advice on what to use for bigger bottles? Any other cage? IĀ“d like not to get rid of the garmin mount, but if thereĀ“s no other choise, I prefer to carry my 1l bottle than the mount.
Last edited by: pachanga: Aug 29, 16 8:35
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [pachanga] [ In reply to ]
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The included bottle is good, as long as it does not leak. Camelbak Podium Chill bottles are good too.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [beercity] [ In reply to ]
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The included bottle is not 1L capacity, a must for me...
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [pachanga] [ In reply to ]
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pachanga wrote:
The included bottle is not 1L capacity, a must for me...

Given the fixed diameter of the bottles that will fit in the cage, you are going to be looking at a LONG bottle. Even the Podium Big Chill is only 710ml. I would be concerned about the mechanics in general of fitting a bottle like that in there. It is going to be so long that you might have more bottle out of the cage than in the cage. In that case you might still have issues with bumps on the road dislodging the bottle due to the leverage imparted on the bottle at that length.

Even Torhans is not hitting the 1L capacity, nor is Profile Design Aerodrink. You could do the PD Aquacell which will exceed 1L between the two cells. But that is a totally different platform than the XLAB.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [beercity] [ In reply to ]
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Having used the Kompact 100 for a few weeks now, and the idea and design is perfect.

My only issue is ratteling, not from the cage but from the 2 screws that holds the metal plate, i was very suprised they did not have a bolt underneath? But just seems to be plate and "screw", it might be that i initially had not tightend it enough, should this do the trick or are there know issue with it coming loose?
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [lassekk] [ In reply to ]
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I will let others comment on their experience.

We are happy though to help you out. We do recommend a torque of 35 in lbs on that particular bolt. If it is still rattling then I am thinking it could be a mistake in the manufacturing either of the screw or the insert in the clamp - especially with it being so new.

If you would like us to investigate please email us and we would be happy to help!

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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I've now used my Torpedo Kompact 100 for 1 1/2 yrs. I think it maybe getting loose. When going down hill on chippy roads, my bottle will launch out. This of course sucks.

Looks like the new Torpedo Kompact 500 has fixed this issue? But how hard is it to remove the bottle while in aero position? That is the one thing I loved about the 100.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Blakjak] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry to hear - definitely not ok.

Kompact 500 vs 100 - The cage is different (carbon) and the computer mount chassis is slightly different. The computer mount chassis was designed, not necessarily as an improvement, but rather to fit the Raptor cage that comes with it.

I have personally never heard of anyone complaining about the difficulty in taking a bottle out of the Kompact 500.

I am going to be in/out of the office this week thanks to jury duty & meetings, but I do want to get to the bottom of why the bottle is launching. Can you email Trent, one of our engineers? He will be able to help you diagnose the problem!

Candice Turner
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XLAB - Aerodynamic Triathlon Accessories
Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
http://www.XLAB-USA.com http://www.dawntodusk.bike
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone ever run the Kompact system upside down? I love the ease of the Kompact but find my face right in the bottle when riding.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [luker08] [ In reply to ]
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Hi is possible to buy a kompact 500 without the garmin mount as I don't use garmin
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [parfi1959] [ In reply to ]
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Hi,

Unfortunately no...what computer do you use?

Candice Turner
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Hi I use a polar m450
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [parfi1959] [ In reply to ]
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Ah ok - well stay tuned...we are actually coming out with an adapter set which has a Polar-compatible insert and you will simply be able to swap out the Garmin insert for the Polar one :) Roughly early August for availability.

Candice Turner
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Dawn to Dusk - Off-road Specific Storage Accessories
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Great thanks very much
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [luker08] [ In reply to ]
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luker08 wrote:
Anyone ever run the Kompact system upside down? I love the ease of the Kompact but find my face right in the bottle when riding.

I did something like that on my P5.

Bottle and Garmin were both up too high overall for my liking, so I removed the cage from the baseplate, flipped it over, reinstalled the cage, and mounted it from the underside of my extensions.
Now the bottle is nestled quite low & snugly in there, and the baseplate is probably acting like a bit of a fairing, since my extensions are angled upwards a decent amount.

Only "downside" is that XLAB on the Velcro straps now reads upside down.


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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Was racing in Philly this weekend and some of the roads were a bit bumpy. My kompact bottle was ejected and I could do nothing but watch it skid across the road in front of me and into the woods. I really liked this set up until I lost the bottle. Is there any chance of getting a sturdier cage and new bottle somehow?
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [luker08] [ In reply to ]
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luker08 wrote:
Anyone ever run the Kompact system upside down? I love the ease of the Kompact but find my face right in the bottle when riding.

I do -- kept the base plate upright, screwed in a gorilla xt cage under it, and drilled holes for a k-edge Garmin mount on top. LMK if you want to see pix.
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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Gee] [ In reply to ]
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Gee wrote:
luker08 wrote:
Anyone ever run the Kompact system upside down? I love the ease of the Kompact but find my face right in the bottle when riding.


I do -- kept the base plate upright, screwed in a gorilla xt cage under it, and drilled holes for a k-edge Garmin mount on top. LMK if you want to see pix.

I'd like to see pix please... been racing with my face stuffed in the Garmin on descents.

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Re: xlab torpedo kompact [Calvinbal6] [ In reply to ]
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Hi Calvin,

Email warranty@xlab-usa.com and they will be able to assist you.

Candice Turner
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