Hmm...maybe the bullhorns extend back towards the rider? That would present a more aero leading edge while you're in the bars, which is most of the time.

I think it will something like the quick photoshop I did below. It will require either a long stem or a basebar with a lot of forward sweep. The idea is that you can have flat brake hoods for aerodynamics but have something to brace your hand against when you descend or when you ride over rough surfaces.

I don't know if that's it...but I kinda LIKE that idea...hmmm....

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interesting from an aero POV.. but not for a Di2/etap market..

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Why? Just put "sprinter", or "blip" buttons at the pursuit positions :-)

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If you had brake levers that allowed you to adjust the reach you could set them up so that you just use your index finger for braking. I just built up a hardtail and started riding it and I really like the one finger braking. Granted those are hydraulic brakes but I still see that setup being viable for TT purposes.

I don't see why the bar couldn't be designed to accommodate the sprinter or "blip" shifters just as Tom said.

Nailed it.

http://www.3tcycling.com/...andlebars/revo-team/

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Sorry, but that is hella ugly.

Bummer that there's no adjustment for the angle of the extensions...

My post was before yours. Just saying.

Yeah but it looks functional. I wish they had just released it in their all black color scheme.

For everyone else:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjznGfCCPsE

The LTD version is mostly black.

hmm... interesting at least. I dunno, I like me some 3T, but... i dunno.

Oh let's be real... can't wait to snipe some on ebay

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I wonder how sharp that initial bend is, from brake lever up through the basebar? Hopefully it does not create additional cable drag.

I actually like the idea especially for descending. Now we just need to see the tunnel data to back up their claim of it being faster.

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I feel like that doesn't really cut down on the frontal area compared to horizontal brake levers with a bump above the brake lever like how Felt does it. I'd still be open to trying it though.

I can't find anything about minimum & maximum stack or pad width, extension length... You'd think that would be basic info.

Cool as shit.
I wanna see if they really are more aero?

You beat me by two minutes! I was probably still photoshopping when you posted.

I also doubt it cuts down on frontal area or improves aero BUT I suspect this will be way more secure than the grips Felt provides (which I have on my Speed Concept). I suspect this will be nearly as secure as being in the drops of a road bike.

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They seem to allow more control in tight turns almost like being in drops on road bike super clever, but you are less stretched and they are probably less aero in that position while on the brakes (might be good while actual braking). I guess it all boils down to how much time you are spending on the brakes. if the only reason to get hands on the bars is to brake, they are better, but if you have other reasons, you will be less aero while on the brakes because you will be most likely higher.

No way a triathlete could handle steering with the inherent instability of forward-swept wings!

Intrigued by this. New bike coming so I wonder If I want to be a guinea pig here.

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Why would you be higher when they bend lower than the base bar?? Pretty sure you mean the rider will be lower when on the brakes than a traditional base bar

and probably still not really Di2 compatible (external cables from extensions)

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Exactly. I'm in the market to upgrade from my Auro Pro.....figured I'd stay with 3T and tried to find out info from their site on their new products. Like you, can't find anything so I emailed their customer service for information (over a week ago) and received no reply. Not impressed with 3T website and their customer service. Now looking elsewhere including the Enve bar in case anyone has feedback regarding this product.

This would definitely solve my one issue with straight, flat bullhorns.

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This is such a good, simple idea. Grips that feel like drops.

Can't believe no one thought of it before.

I was lucky enough to be at Slowman's F.I.S.T. workshop last week when FedEx delivered a set of these. I really like the way they feel - it would take a bit to retrain yourself on where to grab when going for the brakes, but once you get used to that, I think it would be better for braking - it feels very "sure" in your hand. I am curious about how tight the cable routing for the brakes ends up being, though.

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Wonder if the new cervelo (P7?) will come with these.

Of course these do seem to be missing the ability to tilt the pads with the extensions. Still very tempting for people that ride a bunch is more of city area where you have to be on the brakes more often.

I am not seeing it, on straight flat bullhorns, the brake lever locks your hand in place as much as this does, unless you are using tulas

That only works when hands aren't on the brakes. On steep descents, I keep my fingers on the brake levers. If the fingers are on the brake levers, and one's wet or sweaty hand slips, there is nothing to catch it, unless one keeps the index finger between the brake lever and the bar. That's what I did, but it wasn't secure.

At a couple of races that I do, there is a lot of swerving traffic on some of these descents, Santa Barbara Long Course is a good example. I keep my hands on the brakes because I don't know what the newbies ahead of me will do. Since I'm older, I'm almost always in a late wave.

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maybe that is how you brake, but it only takes me one finger to remain in place and 3 to activate lever so even with sweaty hands I am not going to slip off. most times I am only using one or 2 finger on brake lever. this must be like that 2 footed braking in the lavender room ;)

That is what I did, but I didn't like it and it wasn't natural. From what I can tell, Dan uses flat bullhorns, but has some of the same concerns. (I may be wrong on this.) Putting the the 4th and 5th fingers on the bar didn't keep me from slipping past the brake, only if I put the index finger down there. Perhaps, as an old timer, getting an old dog to learn a new trick is not often easy, especially when I have to grab the brakes from the aerobar extensions in a hurry.

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I am old enough :) yeah, I keep the index finger on the horns and not the brake. then again, I have never used all fingers for braking even on the road bike, just not necessary as more than enough force is generated by 3rd and 4th fingers. I can see folks might want that reassurance just as they will want thick bar tape on their aero bikes(I do not)

Not related to 3T specifically, whom I've never emailed, but I'm shocked at how many major cycling companies just completely ignore email. If you put your email address out there, answer it! And I'm not talking about warranty fights or anything, just honest questions as a prospective customer.

And for some companies it just seems to be unintentional. There's one company where I emailed 3 times over a month, and got nothing. So I called, got a human, and it was top notch, friendly service.

Some companies just seem to completely lack InterWeb skills.

Good point about the cable routing. I hadn't thought of that.

Oddly, I've always used my index, or index and middle fingers on all my bikes.

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I'm not quite sure I understand what the advantages are

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you get a really short drop road bar that you can use normal tt brake levers on, I suppose

I'm not quite sure I understand what the advantages are

It gives you a very secure braking platform without those abominous upturned cowhorns. Good idea IMO.

Unfortunately they won't be very aero for other reasons, and I didn't catch the price, but they are surely pricey being carbon.

Good, aero, adjustable, and *cheap* (aluminum) aerobars could be made, but so far no one has come close to providing it...

Aerodynamically they are actually very good. The wing is 3:1 but has a better aspect ratio in the direction of travel because they have a sharper angle forward. That makes up for the slightly bigger frontal area. Plus, it's more aero to stay on your bike than to slide off the front!

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The bend was designed with exactly that in mind, so the outside is shaped to comfortably support the part of your hand between thumb and index finger while the inside supports a proper bend for the cable. Also some small tricks inside.

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The stretch is the same, it's designed around the same thumb position on "regular" base bar and Revo, not the same position of the wing or the whole grip (which in both cases would lead to different positions than on a regular base bar).

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You have more experience then me, but I would think the superman position without a bike would be way more aerodynamic. It is just not very sustainable, well unless you are superman.

Depends on the course. On a very short sprint, you're absolutely correct. Or in a triathlon where the bike is before the run, and you can time your Superman dismount into the water!

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It's hard to get info before the product is actually launched, although you definitely should have received a response. Hope you find some more info on the site now, although that still isn't enough. More will be added in the next few days. As for the dimensions, the min/max stack, extensions, etc are all identical to the VOLA (they are actually the same pieces).

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Do you recommend any brake levers in particular? Good to go with Di2 brake levers... and can you actually use the buttons?

Hi Gerard,

What's the lowest stack configuration of this? All the photos I find are set up with the highest. Can the extensions be mounted below the basebar and the pads close to flat on top?

Thanks!

ah, that makes sense
like aircraft wings being swept back and not 90 degrees from the body!

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1. I understand that this is a "testing the waters" phase, but perhaps a higher end model (integrated stem, non UCI >6:1 ratio, tiltable aerobars, fully internal cabling) and a lower end one (aluminum, more reasonable price point, possibly separate aerobars) might cover a lot more bases? Especially the aerobar angling, which has been brought up several times in the forum.

2. When can we see aero testing results, whether in comparison to the Ventus II and Aduro, or to other competitor top aero models? Objective and open data, including multiple yaw angles, would really be a huge help to people choosing their cockpits.

Interesting concept. Kudos for out of the box thinking.

you have 3 options for Di2 with the Revo:

1) the levers with integrated buttons mounted the standard way. You can push the buttons with your thumb, but obviously they are a bit farther forward than normal so it's a bit more of a stretch and not my recommended solution.
2) use the satelite levers on the "vertical wing" part of the grid, this is ergonomically very nice and it's what Team BMC Racing uses for their riders who use the Revo.
3) my preference, switching the left and right lever, reprogram them to switch the functionality as well so nothing changes and front shifting is on the left and rear on the right again, and shift with your index finger. This is ergonomically very nice and more akin to how you would shift an STI lever on a drop bar, so quite a logical action "mentally" on that Revo bar which is obviously a cross between a regular TT bar and a regular drop bar.

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Hi Bobby, stack is the same as on the standard Vola, but I have asked them to add the exact info onto the website.

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two posts in a week! After only 2 per year. Will we be seeing more of you these days? :)

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I like open data but in this case the chances of that are slim, since there were BMC riders involved in the testing. We'll likely do some tests that are publishable in April.

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Maybe not too soon, I try to divide my time as much as possible between family, work and riding. I like slowtwitch, but not as much as the other three. Plus I'm really into gravel riding these days, so I don't want to be confronted too much with the fact that I am not running and swimming enough!

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Option #3 sounds really nifty! Thanks!

Have any of the BMC guys used the Revo in competition yet? Or has this been under embargo until it was released?

Not yet, they've just gotten them and in for example Tour of Qatar, only road bikes are allowed anyway. But their tech guy Pinotti (Italian TT champ a few years back) has had them since a few months and put miles on them as one of the 3T test riders.

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I really like this bar, especially as someone that trains a bunch on a tri bike and lives in an urban area where riding in aero is always possible. But, was there thought in having the ability to tilt the extensions and pads together to get angled forearms?

Quite reasonable. Could you at least give us a ballpark idea of how close to, worse than or even better than, the Aduro or Ventus II it is? FWIW, I really like 3T cockpits, having used Auras (sold), Zefiros (road bikes), a Mistral (backup), Ventus IIs and Aduros. Just hoping this new one would sit close to the top in that heirarchy.

Designing this concept was probably 10% of the effort. Making it look good was probably 80%. I respect 3T not just for thinking way outside of the box but doing so in a way that people would actually buy.

don't a few other aerobars also sweep forward? looks like their aduro does on my p3

too bad the pads cant get any narrower than 220 outside

I'm going e-tap myself, but.....

for the Di2 boys

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Also, I've just noticed in the video with Daniel Fontana on the 3t site, he's not using bar tape, just the bare carbon
intersting

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Probably personal preference. No?

Nice.

I wonder why the bottom tubes have an aero rear end, but traditional ends for the top tubes. Still, when I look at upgrading this will be near the top of my list.

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Anyone use these bars yet? Especially with Di2?

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The bars are being sold and all, but I know no one, who has used them or who knows anyone who has used them. Even Google Images doesn't have much to offer. What's up with those bars?

Second bump.

Who has these?

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Has 3T published any aero data. I poked around on the 3T site, but I could not find anything. I am about to pull the trigger on a new base bar, and there is a lot I like about the Revo.

To date we only have tests that have been done in conjunction with third parties, so nothing we can publish.

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Since your name definitely has some weight behind it on this board, I think some feedback from you regarding aerodynamic numbers on this bar will bear some weight. Do you know approximately how it fares against e.g. Ventus I (to compare against another 3T bar with some data behind it).

thanks for the photo Anth

am thinking of going this aerobar, and have a few questions

1) how did u attach the shifter to the bar?

2) my current setup is mechanical and thinking of going Di2...where does the wire from the shifter attach to, is it direct junction box? was the cable internally routed?

Is the current consensus that the 3T Ventus and PRO Missile EVO are the fastest aero bars? Perhaps USE R1? Has anyone tested the ENVE aerobars?

I would be interested to see a 'shootout' of these 4 with these new 3T bars.

Wouldn't bother. 3T's own marketing material says the following:

The slight drop of the grips result in a slightly bigger frontal area than a bullhorn bar, but on the plus side the angled wing improves the aspect ratio (the ratio between the thickness and the length of the wing as “seen” by the airflow) which should reduce the drag.


If it were as fast as the top bars out there (or even their other bars), they sure as hell would have mentioned it!

is 3T still producing the ventus?

was looking at the ENVE bars too but the base bar seems to be unable to wrap bartape around it, a bit concerned about slippage...

I have the ENVE bars. I have no problem with slippage with the roughened surface on the basebars.

thanks for the reply!