It may not mean anything. For example, ironmanohio.com is registered. As are many ironman_______.com (fill in the blank) domains. These may have been registered by WTC or by anyone hoping to make a $ by selling the name back tovWTC should they ever decide to have an event that could use that domain name.

I am for this if only to have a June Ironman option. Now to preemptively answer the IM haters as to why not just do it as a Challenge race?

1) The Challenge brand doesn't count towards my legacy qualifying goal. Still hope to KQ, but the LQ is at least a possibility.
2) Challenge races are licensed and the actual race is only as good as the local RD. Ironman has much better brand control.
3) The little bit of savings you get on a Challenge race is not worth the risk for their frequent lack of attention to detail. You get what you pay for.
4) Challenge is a failed brand in North America.

it seems to be real deal and not a squatter. Registered only in August and by WTC/Ironman directly (domain registration show)
certainly something working... who knows if it's done or will fall through.. but certainly there is smoke here

Creation Date: 2015-08-19T17:10:47.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-08-19T17:10:47.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://www.icann.org/...ntTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: C RICHARDS
Registrant Organization: WORLDTRIATHLONCORPORATION
Registrant Street: 2701NROCKYPOINTDR
Registrant Street: SUITE1250
Registrant City: TAMPA
Registrant State/Province: FL

The Chesapeakeman effect is real and we would see it here should this be what is happening. However despite the WTC's name on the race instead of Challenge, I seriously doubt you are going to get a different experience than what we have already had for 2 years. Delmo does a fantastic job on all his races, and I have done both fulls at CAC, and enjoyed them immensely. I wasn't exactly planning on doing it for a third year in a row but I would be tempted to do it under the M-dot brand SOLELY for the reason of seeing if there was truly anything that changed or if all the fawning and bubbling by the participants is actually over the M-dot logo and not the race experience itself (which I suspect would be unchanged, nor does it need to change IME)

Also registered by WTC is IRONMANOHIO. But no news of any thing like that coming up. WTC may just be grabbing all the names.

Domain Name: IRONMANOHIO.COM
Registry Domain ID: 47976962_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: http://www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2015-08-11T10:55:29.00Z
Creation Date: 2000-12-13T18:35:00.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-12-13T18:35:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://www.icann.org/...ntTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: DOMAIN ADMINISTRATOR
Registrant Organization: WORLD TRIATHLON CORPORATION
Registrant Street: 2701 N ROCKY POINT DRIVE SUITE 1250
Registrant City: TAMPA
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Postal Code: 33607
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.8138685940
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.8138685930
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: DOMAINS@IRONMAN.COM

I'm in a different camp. I'd NOT do it if it changed to IM. Why? Because what I really want is an iron aquabike option, not another wicked expensive IM option. But, I'd volunteer, and lord knows that race needed more of those. <-- That would be the only thing lacking from the prior two races which were still all-around really excellent productions.

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wow, that's interesting if WTC is squatting / blocking domains with no intent of these seeing daylight..... or maybe they just plan to take over the market... oh wait... ;-)

Perhaps registered for this potential 70.3: http://www.thisweeknews.com/...y-ironman-event.html

Would love to see this as an an Ironman and with a pro race to boot. Loved Delmo's race and was very sad not to be able to make it back this year.

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They seem also to have registered a domain name that is my home street address. Damn.

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Both domains redirect to the Ironman.com site, most likely in an effort to gauge how many people are paying attention and trying to hit the links.

Why wouldn't they register every single viable name possible? Common sense.

Would love to see this happen because it's 10 minutes from my house

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Spot on and good business sense. Companies do this all the time. I have done it for my company. Better to have and to hold, then to deal with paying for it later.

The difference is that ironmanohio.com was created almost 15 years ago. ironmanatlanticcity.com was created six weeks ago... after CAC was completed.

Not saying there's anything to it but if there is that will pretty much signal the end of Challenge in North America. Pretty much leaves Penticton as the only race and it's a f'n joke.

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Would love to see it. Even if it was just a half. Might take a pretty big bite out of Eagleman though. And yeah, Challenge is pretty much dead in the US.

They've been doing it for years and years. The first time I saw it was when word was going around about Ironman CdA getting started. I think there were 4 or 5 sites in the running and wtc had bought up names related to all of the potential sites.

Just announced (confirming the other poster's suggestion): http://www.ironman.com/...3.aspx#axzz3nfItRICB

AC is official

http://www.ironman.com/triathlon/events/americas/ironman-70.3/atlantic-city.aspx#axzz3pJYPP1KY

Evidently WTC expects it to be quite popular based on their pricing tier:

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so disappointing both distance and time of year - was psyched when I heard they were making an announcement, thought it would be full and earlier in summer. oh well, good to see an event lives on, just wish it was in a different format.

just an fyi... Quakerman is one week later and right now it's $155 (and you can pick up your packet & rack your bike that same morning without being forced to come a day early for those things)

Interesting it is registrations or date per tier. Usually it's just date. Actually a great idea to pick up some extra bucks on races that sell out early and fast. Stinks for us racers.

course: http://m.ironman.com/...e.aspx#axzz3pKRtm5Hf

Quakerman is a well-run local race, but nothing like a WTC race. Depends what you're drawn to. Me, driving down and back in the same day and my car parked about 100 meters from transition trumps the expo, announcer, loud music, etc.

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53 minutes into open registration and they are already up to the third tier of pricing. My bet ihis thing sells out in 2 days.

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Sure didn't help that the first tier and a half were full when registration opened, thanks to triclub preregs.

Guess we all know what the M-dot brings to the game. Registration numbers have already exceeded the total 2015 CAC half and full numbers. And we are only 3 hours into the registration window.

Where can you see the registration numbers?

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You can't. I am inferring based on the fact that they are already into the third tier of registration, which indicates they have at least 1000 registrations already. CAC 2015 total had like 1200. It is reasonable to assume they have crossed that 1200 mark already.

I signed up when it opened and it was already in the third tier - the 1st two were already sold out (Ironman website had 2nd tier open) Active was already at third.

I'm in!!

I'm in for the bike leg of a relay

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Gosh, how surprising. I would expect nothing less from IM and Active. Actually, I would have thought they'd have "sold out" the next tier in pre sale too. But, I guess they decided closing off the 3rd tier that quickly was just a little too egregious even for them.

Yup. Same thing happened to me. I was ready at noon and got locked out until third tier opened. I sent Delmo a message asking WTF. But No reply. He's a stand up guy so I'm sure it is completely out of his control. Oh well, race on.

They offered many of the large tri clubs in the region pre-reg spots for their members. Im sure thats where a lot of the tier 1 spots went

Almost bit the bullet to get into third tier pricing. Even input everything into Active. Got to the total, saw $361, thought about the RD (who has done not a thing to impress me) and the ironman scene(lots of people so excited to be called an ironman for doing half of one), and hit cancel. I am entering Toughman.

If I recal correctly they don't call you an Ironman for doing a 70.3...

A lot of money for a half. Toughman is a great race, same distance and proven track record. The way it is being marketed through a local race director on Face Book does not really seem like Ironman style. In all the years, I have never seen that before. Also never seen Ironman even allow someone to promote other events at the same time that are not Ironman events. Is this the new way for the new Ironman?

I don't really get that comment. RD puts on great races that athletes pretty much universally love, and the rest of them are priced normally. Today's registration debacle is the only thing I've ever had to complain about with Delmo, and it wasn't even his fault.

Great for Delmo sports , AC etc and in year 3 with more volunteers it will be even better but I am finding it quite hysterical that you just change the logo in front of the race and it nearly sells out in 1 day.... same course , venue, etc....not a knock to the race; been very good for 2 years but the craziness now pretty much reconfirm the Chesapeakeman effect....race on!

Btw...for those complaining about the price. You could have done the same race with Challenge for a cheaper price tag

One of the great mysteries of the world is how people continue to be surprised that the IM brand is a winner that people pay for. You can hate it. You can say these people are dumb. But you can't deny the power of IM.

I was actually about to post a thread asking whether Ironman races are really that much better.

I am a member of one of those clubs that was allowed to pre-register for the race. This year there was Challenge AC and a fair number of people raced but it was not a big deal. Now with Ironman AC announced, there are all of these "This is exciting" Facebook comments and well over 100 people pre-registering for the race. Given that it is the same race except that the full ironman distance has been removed, this all seemed very odd to me. My focus has been on USAT National races and smaller local races so I have never raced in an Ironman branded event.

As an aside, there has been a mix of positive and negative posts regarding the race director in our club Facebook group.

I think that's part of Challenge's problem. I knew all about the Challenge Full Distance race coming to the area, I even stopped by their booth at an expo. Not once did someone mention that they were also doing a half.

I agree with the criticism is probably only 1 percent or so. He engages the triathlete doing his races more than anyone else that I have seen and I think those couple people use it as an opportunity to publicly complain (last year's CAC transfer issue) also any criticism of CAC 2015 will be resolved with higher volunteerism since it is now IM and we know people will flock to it regardless.

less than 750 slots remain and registration isn't even a day old. Amazing to see how Ironman branding changed the tone here. I for one am happy to see the excitement around this race.. I think it will make for a great race environment.

I'd planned to do AC this year as Challenge anyway so I can't say I was swayed by WTC... however I'll admit I'm now looking at this more like an "event" than just a race.

Okay..so here is the basis. When CAC was announced I asked him about how he was going to control crowds on the boardwalk. All I got was his usual "we are going to put on a world class event" shtick. To be fair, I have never done one of his races, but I have never seen anything objective to suggest his races are worth the risk. I read plenty of objective complaints about CAC (I need to review them...they are on ST and can be easily found), and aside from conclusory subjective statements about how great Delmo is, I have never seen anything to suggest the praise is justified. To me, he is all hat and no cattle. But this is only my opinion. Since it is my opinion, I am voting the only way that matters to me and going elsewhere. I doubt Delmo will miss me.

Watching the effects of the race switching to WTC control has been kind of eye-opening. I've done a bunch of Delmo's races and was one of the ~150 who did the full distance at CAC this year, but I figured the the declining popularity of the race was a combination of too many competing races, the economy, etc. Along comes Ironman and BOOM, the CAC Facebook page explodes with new members, there's a signup frenzy when registration opens (including people bitching about Active's processing fees, which is bizarre - as someone pointed out above those people could have signed up for Challenge for less money, but they apparently wanted IM branding - without IM pricing).

As far as criticism of Delmo (I assume that's who you're referring to, and not Viggo), I've done at least a couple of his races per year for the last few years and have always had a good experience overall. Yes, there were some minor issues (to me, anyway - some type-A's seem to flip their shit over even the smallest things) but he has always sought out feedback - both good and bad - and listened to his customers, then done what he can to improve and make things right. A couple of weeks and a month or so out from the race, he drove around the CAC bike course acting as a support vehicle handing out drinks and gels etc. I haven't heard of another RD doing that, or even organising a preview ride like that.

Have you been to AC lately? Boardwalk control in the middle of the summer isn't really an issue - let alone in Late September.

What risk are you referring to? Did you feel unsafe during the run or from the aid stations being too far apart?

You should try one of his events if you want to get a more objective view. Like any race his has some hiccups but I will add he does own it and try to make it right. I'm pretty sure at Tri AC last year there were some flats from road work. He reached out and offered an entry to this years race for those that flatted. It's stuff like that IMO that put him toward the top as RDs go around here.

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Yeah, I've done a number of his races and my first half at CAC last year. You can't help but appreciate his passion and enthusiasm. It always pulls me back in.

There were definitely minor issues but overall I've always enjoyed his races. At the Atlantic City Tri two years ago, there was a trouble spot missed on the one exit ramp and a number of people flatted, my wife being one of them.
He offered an entry into the following years race which was great. I think his fault is that he allows too much access and people think they all have his ear. It has to be overwhelming.

Running on the boardwalk is always going to be a love hate thing. It's dead flat and forgiving. It's not shaded at all, and there is no way he can control the crowd to the point I think most of us would like. You can't deny access from the hotels to beach. Could they fence it off and create access points? Sure, and maybe that is what happens with IM. It hasn't been my favorite, I don't like the people on the boardwalk being oblivious to what is going on, but I accept it because it's a race close to me and again, Delmo always pulls me back in.

It doesn't look like Viggo is involved with IMAC which in my opinion is a step in the right direction.

RD is giving $30 refunds to those who registered before 1PM but got stuck in the higher price tier because of the registration snafu. Pretty stand-up.

In regards to the popularity of this IM event, don't forget that IM Princeton was eliminated from the schedule.
Granted it existed only for one year but it was very popular and was an indication that the NJ/NYC/Philly market is big.


BTW: Registration for AC has now passed the 2000 number and we are in the last bracket ($349).

Not really a reply to you, but the bold part got me thinking:

In addition to the change from Challenge to Ironman, isn't there a significant date change also (Challenge AC was in June. Ironman 70.3 AC is in September, correct?)

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Yes, It went from June to September, which I think is great.

Princeton was also in September......

May I ask where you got this information. I do have an registration email confirmation from, get this, 12:59 pm yesterday.

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Delmo website. Look under DelmoTV. There's a video where he addresses registrations.

Also on the Ironman 70.3 Atlantic City Facebook Page

I watched the video and checked my registration receipt from active. It was processed at 12:57pm. Ding! Ding! Ding! GU Gels for everyone.

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Whoa! That is simply unbelievable. Has anyone every heard of a race doing that before. I told you Delmo was a stand up guy. I'm sure he fought hard with the money grubbing IM big wigs to make this happen. Thanks Steve. Please have beers at the finish line again.

Have they comment on the possibility of an AC full or have they said there will only be the half going forward?
I'm wondering if this is the first year but maybe they will add the full in the future? Obviously IM doesn't do fills and halfs at the same time when they do have events at the same time. Will we see IMAC in June at some point??

Sold Out.

Anyone notice anything weird about the run map? A friend of mine who's doing it pointed this out to me

http://www.ironman.com/~/media/fb251acff8224ad590a2151495800c00/imac%2070%203%20run%202016%20ed.pdf

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The southbound section on the boardwalk between Boardwalk Hall and Albany Ave isn't actually needed?

Seems OK to me. What do you see that is confusing?

Also, the turnarounds on the map by Revel (Rhode Island Ave) don't match up with what's listed on the legend (South Metropolitan) but I think that's only one block away anyway?

Turnaround #2 is at 9 miles; Turnaround #3 is 10.45, Turnaround #4 is at 11.5

#2 > #3 = 1.45
#3 > #4 [in other words, back to #2] = 1.05

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Oh I see it now. Looks like they just swapped the 11.5 and 10.4. The 10.4 turnaround should be near Revel and the 11.5 should be at Park Place.

For what it's worth, I was just down in Atlantic City on Thursday evening, and they had Ironman AC ads playing on the boardwalk TV screens. Kinda cool.

That's still 1.4 on one side [to turn #3] and 1.1 on the way back [to #2]; Because both legs should be equal, right?

We think some knucklehead hack at the design shop fat-fingered 10.25 [that way each leg of the down & back would be 1.25 for a total of 2.5] to 10.45, and no one noticed

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Common Core math??

At least that part of the boardwalk is pretty quiet now that Revel and Showboat have closed...

Maybe that's what it is ... the missing mileage on the Boardwalk is compensated for by running up & down the steps of the vacant Casinos? Or loops in the Parking Garages?

[I've heard those garages are very popular with the skateboarders]

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well ... i am all for saving a few dollars on lodging and certainly admire your bravery on this one https://www.tripadvisor.com/...City_New_Jersey.html

i'm in for AC 70.3 and super excited. i've raced a few tris in AC out of bader field and delmo puts on a top notch event. it's going to be a great race. if you're not familiar with AC and bader field, there are way better places to stay and parking at bader field is incredibly easy. you won't have to worry about driving (literally) 3-5 minutes and parking at bader field race morning ... plus it'll be easy to get your bike in the car and get rolling post-race.

Um, yikes! Not a place I would recommend at all as it's a motel that attracts a troubled crowd. If a hotel/motel is cheap in the AC area, there's usually a very good reason for it.

Less than 4 weeks out and no athlete guide up yet? It would be nice to see the wave schedule, check-in info, etc.

I'm staying at Baly's and I think it's about a mile away from Bader Field. Is that a walkable stretch of road though? I don't mind walking there on race morning, but then I'd probably have to pay for another day of parking for leaving my car at Baly's. It would be nice to get confirmation from IM that there will be parking at Bader Field.

Anyone know what the water temp will be like? Challenge AC was in June I think, so the history at that race doesn't tell us much.

Not sure why the athlete guide isn't up yet. Bib list was just posted, so I'm sure the athlete guide won't be far behind.
As for the other questions, Bally's to Bader Field is definitely "walkable", as you can just walk down the boardwalk to Albany Ave and over to Bader Field. I will say though, that its more like 2 miles, not 1, so maybe more than you wanna walk.
Tons of parking at Bader Field. There's only one way in, so it'll get backed up race morning, but the parking there is essentially unlimited. Probably the best option unless there's a hotel shuttle.
And for water temp, they just held the AC Triathlon there last week on the same course and the temp was over 84 degrees (I think they said close to 86), so no wetsuits. The temps can change pretty dramatically, but it's been really warm back there lately.

I stayed at Bally's last year for Challenge AC. It is a long way to Bader Field. Last year they offered a shuttle to Bader in the morning - take that if available.

That's some warm water! I can't imagine it coming down 10+ degrees in less than a month to be wetsuit legal.

Good to know it's two miles from Bally's. I think when I was shopping for hotels one of them was ~1 mi away and I mixed them up.