I've read that Cliftons vary from one pair to the next. I can't believe how narrow mine are, but then others say that one pair was fine and the next narrow. Not sure if applies to v1 vs. v2.

My first pair of Cliftons was perfect for me. Second gave me black toes. Have not tried Clifton 2 yet.

I wasn't the only one. Pretty sure the Chinese factory changed something without telling Hoka. If you are going to outsource to China you gotta watch them like a hawk or they WILL try to cut corners.

I hear ya on China^. Surprised the quality control on Hoka is so low, simple solution to this problem. Gonna go back to my Kinvaras, feels like I dropped a sledge hammer on my right foot haha

Anyone know if the Stinson has suffered a similar fate?

My wife loves her old Tarmacs which are nearly due for replacement... is the new Stinson Lite built on the same last or did it go narrow too?

welcome back from mars........this has been discussed ad nauseam in here.

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I've had a similar experience. Tow box is smaller. Which it too bad because I have wide feet and the cliftons are the only Hokas that fit me.

I have the huaka and they fit perfect but considering Cliftons because I love light. From what I'm reading I'm thinking of getting the originals since they're lighter and I can get cheaper - if only improvement is the tongue, I don't have issues with tongue on Huaka.

What did you not like about the OG Cliftons?

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It feels about the same to me. But I also had both insoles in my Clifton 1's. IT feels a little more firm overall and is a little heavier. I'm not sure it was an improvement. The mass production cost cutting is obvious too. I still like the shoe.

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Toe-box width: my pinky toe toenails are taking something of a bruising from my Clifton 2s that they didn't receive from the Clifton 1s, so yes, something seems different/narrower. C2 tongue is an improvement, and the shoe looks great and rides similarly. Also, the insoles don't seem prone to sliding around like the C1's.

After around 80 miles of normal running (and probably 30% of that on soft surface), however, the outsole already showed signs of minor disintegration (as reported with other models). For a $130 shoe, that's annoying.

anyone have issues with blisters on the back of their heel from the Clifton 2?

Yeah I had major blisters on my heel and where the tongue hit my ankle, I had cuts/blood on there for about 2 weeks until I built up a callus

This definitely applies on the 3 v1's i have. All are noticeably different and it's not just due to wear. I don't like the added weight on the 2's so i've bought another pair of v1's online, hopefully i'll get one with the toe box i like!

why did you switch from the Kinvara's in the first place? just curious. I recently switched from Clifton's to Asics 33FA on 10k and shorter races. Really like them the fit for me is perfect and not quite as much squish.

I'm currently running in the heavier Hoka Conquest1 because I didn't like the feel of the Bondi3 and the Clifton1 was too tight up front when I tried them on. Next I'm going to one of the zero drop shoes, either Altra (Torin 27mm, Instinct 24mm, One 23mm) or maybe even the Skora Temp (22mm) because of the wide toe box. Been fighting a neuroma and doc said to dump the Hoka as its too narrow for me, I now need a wide toe box even though my whole life I've been running in medium width shoes without issue until recently.

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I trained last year for a marathon and did a bunch of running after I ran my marathon my knee felt off so I thought I would go with a more cushioned shoe so I switched to The orginal Clifton, had no sides until I beat the piss out of the orginal Clifton after putting a bunch of miles on them and my wife made me buy a new pair of Clifton 2's because the insoles in the orginal Clifton's got all bunched up and shit fast

My second pair of Cliftons were tighter than the first and even the first were tight initially. I've finally given up with trying to stretch the second pair and am going back to Newtons with the new Aha model.

i also found the clifton toe box narrow:) my bondis are fine, but they are clunky.

I tried a pair of Clifton 2, they were narrow and I found them long. Went a 1/2 size up for width and they would have doubled as water skiis.
Ended up in an older Clifton, right sized, better width and I can go barefoot in them.

The tongue is a bit wimpy and I have trouble getting them on, so a fast T2 might be a problem.
Haven't lost any toenails yet!

I'm in the exact same boat. I think I was still on like the kinvara 2 and tried grtting the Clifton 2. I LOVED them, but the toe box was too narrow. I was not spending $125 on shoes to have them fit like anything other than a glove. Wish they made wide sizes. Ended up with the NB fresh foam boracay cause they come in wide and they have been great

FUCK YOU CLIFTON 1!!!!!!!!!!!! Man...just when you find that ONE shoe that fits nicely and you like (Clifton v1) and then you want to go grab another pair and its this "Clifton 2" shit. I bought them...figuring that they wouldn't change the fit of them, however....after a nice 2 mile jog...the outside of my toe next to the pinky toe is KILLING me. They didn't bother me when I first put them on, but a quick job changed that. FUCK. And of course I was being cheap and didn't buy the second pair right off the get go and now Running Warehouse ONLY has the Clifton 2s. SHIT.

I'm new to HOKA and just got the Clifton 1 & 2 in the mail today. (ActivInstinct have some 1's left over here in Europe)
Coming from Kinvara3 (which gave me a hard time in IM marathon),Mirage2 and Asics Fuji Trainer.
Couldn't see much difference between the two cliftons except the tongue and the insole (both seem better on the 2)
Length is fine (got a thumb space in front) but both seem quite narrow where the pinky toes are.
(Went 9.5 with clifton, 10 everywhere else since it was stated the building a little bigger)

Like its said they gonna widen a little, whats your guys experience?

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Caution with ActiveInstinct or Millet Sports (same business I believe) - their website stock levels never seem to be up to date, still lets you order however, takes your money & then several days later you get an email stating your size isn't in stock. Happened to me twice this year but I've also had good service from them in the past - just email them first of all to check they have your size!

It took me a year to find the Clifton 1 and I loved it. I made the mistake of thinking the Clifton 2 would be the same and didn't stock up. I just got my first pair of the 2's yesterday and it was brutal. Got about 4 blisters on my toes and hot spots on my arches. The toe box is a lot smaller. What do you guys think I should do? I wear an 11 so maybe try a 11.5 and then look for something else? Any ideas on what else I could try? I don't want to go through another year of constant blisters.

I've gone from the Bondi B > Clifton > Clifton 2 > Vanquish 2. The Clifton 2 was definitely inferior to the original and smaller up front, hence my change to Vanquish. I only use Hoka's for long runs, but I was at a running store today and tried on a pair of Clayton's -- apparently a brand new model. Hot damn! These shoes are extremely light, cushioned but more responsive, thin uppers, with a lot of room in the toe box. I'll be buying a pair as soon as my current shoe wears out.

I found I had to size up a half size in Clifton 2. Did you have similar experience? I want to order a pair of Clayton but not sure on sizing? Any tips?

Do you mind telling us where you saw the Claytons? I've been trying to find them with no luck.

My normal shoe size is a 10.5. So your saying I should try a 11.5?

I was able to use the Clifton 2 in the same size as the original, but found that I had to tie the laces much looser than I normally would to prevent the shoe from fitting too tight. In retrospect, a 1/2 size up would have been better. I have gone with size 10 on all 4 Hokas and tried a size 10 today for the Claytons. I only ran a few yards back and forth inside the store on the Claytons but loved them from the first step. The caveat is that I am more concerned about how they feel when I am well into a long run...can't tell that from a couple of minutes in a store. As I've gotten older (59 this year), my foot size is getting bigger and wider. In my 20s I was running in a size 9.

I always buy a new model from the local store. Even if I'm sure it fits right then, I feel obligated to support them since they supported me. However, for subsequent purchases of the same shoe I don't feel bad about buying online.

check runningwharehouse.com they have them and the tracer which is even lighter[i think]

I am the opposite - new model shoes I order from somewhere (road runner, zappos) that I can run in them a few times then return if they aren't for me no questions asked. hell they even will let me return after 90 days, which could be completely worn out by then.

once I find the right shoe and size, then I will buy local if they have them in stock. but they rarely do and they don't let you return if worn outside either.

Well I just bought a pair of Clifton 2s in a 11.5. That is a whole size bigger than my normal show and a half size bigger than what I wore on the original Cliftons. My shoes have a 90 day return policy so I'll keep swapping until I find what I want. If the 11.5 dont work then I'll try out the vanquish 2

vanquish 2's are what I am using for long runs right now and Clifton 2 for shorter runs and races. I wear a 9.5 in the Clifton 2 but went with a 10 in the vanquish. no way I could have went 9.5 in that as they are not roomy by any means.

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Do you mind telling us where you saw the Claytons? I've been trying to find them with no luck.

I just ordered a pair from jack rabbit . com


hopefully the toe box is a bit bigger than the clifton as the reviewers keep saying!

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I Got the Claytons and I can def say that the Toe box is bigger than the Clifton 2; They fit identically (wide wise) to my Ghost 8.

I am taking them for a run today; I will report back tomorrow!

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I got my 11.5 on Saturday and went for my long run on Sunday. The toe box is bigger and not rubbing the sides of my feet but the shoe is a lot larger. Also for some reason the shoe is rubbing my heel real bad. I could try the vanguish or claytons but arent they a lot more expensive?

maybe thicker socks? or a dif lacing pattern?

the shoe seems to be about the same size as my Ghost; I am going to run with them in a bit.

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The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev

I got the Clifton 2 in 11.5. I thought they ran pretty true to size. Most of my other shoes are 11.5 or 12.